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PrintableFrom my P.O.V., Aaron and HQ.com very well understood the rules and/or guidelines they were asked to operate under by Prince. And for the most part... they complied. However, they have/had a tendency to dance in the grey areas a bit too much.
That banner was fan art.... but a fan not knowing any better could not have distinguished it from the 'official' banners at all. By Housequake using the banner as part of the site's graphics.... they didn't break any rules flat out... but could easily be viewed as still breaking the 'spirit' of the rules. This point becomes stronger if any part of the Lotusflow3r site's graphics were used in part of the graphic. Normally what constitutes a 'fair' usage can become murky in the context of which it is used. Bottom line though... Aaron didn't have to shut down HQ... he choose to do it. He could have switched the banner and kept on trucking... but he obviously tired of the dance. But it took two to tango. EVERYONE knows how anal Prince has become about this shit.... so I do question the judgment to dabble in areas known to be sensitive. If Prince asked for them not to use his likeness or anything which represents his likeness (the symbol) in any of the sites graphics (like the header) and they use a graphic with some thing which 'resembled' his symbol anyway... they were honoring the request... but not the spirit. No tears will come from my eyes over the site (a couple people pissed in my kool-aid).... and I won't be less of a Prince fan because its gone. It's been all about the muzik for me for decades prior to me even knowing that fan sites existed... and it will continue to be about the muzik long after their gone. That sites was not the be all to end all.... life will move on... and the fans will just congregate elsewhere. Like here for instance. | |
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Graycap23 said: RodeoSchro said: I know it's a number thing, but who launches a new website on a Saturday? Everyone that surfs at work but not at home (which is a huge number) won't be around to see it. I guess we will find out. Eventually! | |
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BigDaddyHQ said: From my P.O.V., Aaron and HQ.com very well understood the rules and/or guidelines they were asked to operate under by Prince. And for the most part... they complied. However, they have/had a tendency to dance in the grey areas a bit too much.
That banner was fan art.... but a fan not knowing any better could not have distinguished it from the 'official' banners at all. By Housequake using the banner as part of the site's graphics.... they didn't break any rules flat out... but could easily be viewed as still breaking the 'spirit' of the rules. This point becomes stronger if any part of the Lotusflow3r site's graphics were used in part of the graphic. Normally what constitutes a 'fair' usage can become murky in the context of which it is used. Bottom line though... Aaron didn't have to shut down HQ... he choose to do it. He could have switched the banner and kept on trucking... but he obviously tired of the dance. But it took two to tango. EVERYONE knows how anal Prince has become about this shit.... so I do question the judgment to dabble in areas known to be sensitive. If Prince asked for them not to use his likeness or anything which represents his likeness (the symbol) in any of the sites graphics (like the header) and they use a graphic with some thing which 'resembled' his symbol anyway... they were honoring the request... but not the spirit. No tears will come from my eyes over the site (a couple people pissed in my kool-aid).... and I won't be less of a Prince fan because its gone. It's been all about the muzik for me for decades prior to me even knowing that fan sites existed... and it will continue to be about the muzik long after their gone. That sites was not the be all to end all.... life will move on... and the fans will just congregate elsewhere. Like here for instance. i dont know why anyone would think HQ is gone forever 
I would say its temporary for the occasion. Not providing an out let for thefams who wont control themselves. I wouldnt want to deal with that either.  [Edited 1/30/09 8:40am] | |
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BigDaddyHQ said: From my P.O.V., Aaron and HQ.com very well understood the rules and/or guidelines they were asked to operate under by Prince. And for the most part... they complied. However, they have/had a tendency to dance in the grey areas a bit too much.
That banner was fan art.... but a fan not knowing any better could not have distinguished it from the 'official' banners at all. By Housequake using the banner as part of the site's graphics.... they didn't break any rules flat out... but could easily be viewed as still breaking the 'spirit' of the rules. This point becomes stronger if any part of the Lotusflow3r site's graphics were used in part of the graphic. Normally what constitutes a 'fair' usage can become murky in the context of which it is used. Bottom line though... Aaron didn't have to shut down HQ... he choose to do it. He could have switched the banner and kept on trucking... but he obviously tired of the dance. But it took two to tango. EVERYONE knows how anal Prince has become about this shit.... so I do question the judgment to dabble in areas known to be sensitive. If Prince asked for them not to use his likeness or anything which represents his likeness (the symbol) in any of the sites graphics (like the header) and they use a graphic with some thing which 'resembled' his symbol anyway... they were honoring the request... but not the spirit. No tears will come from my eyes over the site (a couple people pissed in my kool-aid).... and I won't be less of a Prince fan because its gone. It's been all about the muzik for me for decades prior to me even knowing that fan sites existed... and it will continue to be about the muzik long after their gone. That sites was not the be all to end all.... life will move on... and the fans will just congregate elsewhere. Like here for instance. Well said. -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! | |
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swanny said: So the HQ banner by a FAN (sorry but using the term "fam" is just fucking gay) has ruined the experience of the opening of Prince's new site?
I give up. [Edited 1/30/09 7:12am] exactly why i use the term fam  | |
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horatio said: exactly why i use the term fam lol  |
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2elijah said: horatio said:  May as well get some popcorn horatio, and get comfortable. Looks like this is going to be one of those long threads.  
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A big welcome to all the refugees from HQ! Hopefully you'll be back up and running soon.
Maybe it's a great move - if there are forums on the new official site, I'd like to see the Org shut down for a few days too. A good clearout of crazies would do us all good. | |
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LondonStyle said: jazzmaster said: Seeing some of the replies in this thread reminds me 'why' I spend so much more time on HQ. Damn. I appreciate Gavin's insight to the situation... And I fully support Aaron in whatever he chooses to do. Prince is a big bitch and I can't imagine trying to deal with him. What's interesting, though, is that 99.9% of my activity on HQ had absolutely nothing to do with him. There is such a strong 'community' there and I have made several good friends. I will certainly miss that more than any discussions about "Is Prince going to play at the Innauguration?" or "Did you see what Prince was wearing when he left the hotel?". As for the LotusFlower BS... Who cares? It 'was' exciting for a day or two... Do people still go there every hour to see if something has been updated?!
I've pretty much lost interest myself.  You need to chill....what do you mean "some of the reply here"....? it's a joke its fun...yeah the org does have some silly topics...but you also get the "deep" stuff as well...look if 99.9% of the stuff is not Prince related on HQ then why call the site Housequake and have Prince stuff all over it ...why not call it Joe Bloggs...and talk about Britney...nah...didn't think so...next... Obviously, you missed the point of my post. Wanna try again? Didn't think so. | |
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jazzmaster said:[quote] LondonStyle said: You need to chill....what do you mean "some of the reply here"....? it's a joke its fun...yeah the org does have some silly topics...but you also get the "deep" stuff as well...look if 99.9% of the stuff is not Prince related on HQ then why call the site Housequake and have Prince stuff all over it ...why not call it Joe Bloggs...and talk about Britney...nah...didn't think so...next... Obviously, you missed the point of my post. Wanna try again? "No Point" is that the point of your post Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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Give me a break. Some of y'all are as hypocritical as Prince talking shit about HQ like your asses don't visit there. Whatever.
LADYDYE said: wow
i have been a member here and at HQ for a long time. I spend most of my time at HQ but lurk here a lot too. it's sad to me to see all the negativity and straight up hatred over here for Aaron and HQ in general. it seeems pretty childish and petty in my opinion. but then i am just one of those HQ losers that is obviously not wanted here.
man, it sucks not to be invited into the popular "click'  Hey Lady! Don't worry about not being in the popular 'clique'...I'm not really either. | |
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thats fucked. ...then he turned to me and said "I dare you". | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Give me a break. Some of y'all are as hypocritical as Prince talking shit about HQ like your asses don't visit there. Whatever.
LADYDYE said: wow
i have been a member here and at HQ for a long time. I spend most of my time at HQ but lurk here a lot too. it's sad to me to see all the negativity and straight up hatred over here for Aaron and HQ in general. it seeems pretty childish and petty in my opinion. but then i am just one of those HQ losers that is obviously not wanted here.
man, it sucks not to be invited into the popular "click' Hey Lady! Don't worry about not being in the popular 'clique'...I'm not really either. it's all good. I made it through Junior High once already, i can get through it again. and not everyone is nasty. there are very cool posts around this site, and some very nice people. [Edited 1/30/09 9:10am] Would u run 2 me if somebody hurt u, even if that somebody was me? | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Give me a break. Some of y'all are as hypocritical as Prince talking shit about HQ like your asses don't visit there. Whatever.
LADYDYE said: wow
i have been a member here and at HQ for a long time. I spend most of my time at HQ but lurk here a lot too. it's sad to me to see all the negativity and straight up hatred over here for Aaron and HQ in general. it seeems pretty childish and petty in my opinion. but then i am just one of those HQ losers that is obviously not wanted here.
man, it sucks not to be invited into the popular "click' Hey Lady! Don't worry about not being in the popular 'clique'...I'm not really either. The heck you aren't! You're tops in my book! | |
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RodeoSchro said: DevotedPuppy said: Give me a break. Some of y'all are as hypocritical as Prince talking shit about HQ like your asses don't visit there. Whatever.
Hey Lady! Don't worry about not being in the popular 'clique'...I'm not really either. The heck you aren't! You're tops in my book! thats what i thought | |
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horatio said: RodeoSchro said: The heck you aren't! You're tops in my book! thats what i thought She'd be tops in anyone's book! | |
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Bummer to see HQ down. My first visit to the org in months and first post in years. I understand Aaron's decision. It's no fun running a site like this. Still hope HQ will return!! --- Where am I? ---
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Whistler said: Bummer to see HQ down. My first visit to the org in months and first post in years. I understand Aaron's decision. It's no fun running a site like this. Still hope HQ will return!!
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BigDaddyHQ said: From my P.O.V., Aaron and HQ.com very well understood the rules and/or guidelines they were asked to operate under by Prince. And for the most part... they complied. However, they have/had a tendency to dance in the grey areas a bit too much.
That banner was fan art.... but a fan not knowing any better could not have distinguished it from the 'official' banners at all. By Housequake using the banner as part of the site's graphics.... they didn't break any rules flat out... but could easily be viewed as still breaking the 'spirit' of the rules. This point becomes stronger if any part of the Lotusflow3r site's graphics were used in part of the graphic. Normally what constitutes a 'fair' usage can become murky in the context of which it is used. Bottom line though... Aaron didn't have to shut down HQ... he choose to do it. He could have switched the banner and kept on trucking... but he obviously tired of the dance. But it took two to tango. EVERYONE knows how anal Prince has become about this shit.... so I do question the judgment to dabble in areas known to be sensitive. If Prince asked for them not to use his likeness or anything which represents his likeness (the symbol) in any of the sites graphics (like the header) and they use a graphic with some thing which 'resembled' his symbol anyway... they were honoring the request... but not the spirit. No tears will come from my eyes over the site (a couple people pissed in my kool-aid).... and I won't be less of a Prince fan because its gone. It's been all about the muzik for me for decades prior to me even knowing that fan sites existed... and it will continue to be about the muzik long after their gone. That sites was not the be all to end all.... life will move on... and the fans will just congregate elsewhere. Like here for instance. Right on brotha! Love God and I shall 4ever Love u | |
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LADYDYE said: it's all good. I made it through Junior High once already, i can get through it again. and not everyone is nasty. there are very cool posts around this site, and some very nice people. [Edited 1/30/09 9:10am] ...music please.. Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we We all know that people are the same where ever you go There is good and bad in everyone Learn to live, we learn to give each other What we need to survive, together alive Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory Ooh We all know that people are the same where ever you go There is good and bad in everyone We learn to live, when we learn to give each other What we need to survive together alive Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivoryliving in perfect harmony  Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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LondonStyle said: LADYDYE said: it's all good. I made it through Junior High once already, i can get through it again. and not everyone is nasty. there are very cool posts around this site, and some very nice people. [Edited 1/30/09 9:10am] ...music please.. Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we We all know that people are the same where ever you go There is good and bad in everyone Learn to live, we learn to give each other What we need to survive, together alive Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory Ooh We all know that people are the same where ever you go There is good and bad in everyone We learn to live, when we learn to give each other What we need to survive together alive Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory live together in perfect harmony Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Side by side on my piano keyboard, Oh lord, why don't we Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivory living in perfect harmony Orger Ebony and HQ Ivoryliving in perfect harmony i love it positivity makes a comeback  Would u run 2 me if somebody hurt u, even if that somebody was me? | |
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DevotedPuppy said: Give me a break. Some of y'all are as hypocritical as Prince talking shit about HQ like your asses don't visit there. Whatever.
LADYDYE said: wow
i have been a member here and at HQ for a long time. I spend most of my time at HQ but lurk here a lot too. it's sad to me to see all the negativity and straight up hatred over here for Aaron and HQ in general. it seeems pretty childish and petty in my opinion. but then i am just one of those HQ losers that is obviously not wanted here.
man, it sucks not to be invited into the popular "click' Hey Lady! Don't worry about not being in the popular 'clique'...I'm not really either. Me either... Such a sad thing. *chuckles* -you ain't funky at all, you just a little ol' prude! | |
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It sucks Aaron was pushed to this point. I just lurked over at Housequake. Can't we alll just get along?
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Damn, this is so messed up. Sorry that this is even happening. Thanks so much for your post Gav.
And hello everyone (orgers and hqers), I see a bunch of folks from HQ - hi yall! [Edited 1/30/09 9:28am] | |
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emm said:
[*]lastly, any smug orgers can wipe that smile off your face. a bully is a bully whether he's after your friend or after you. it just isn't so fun when he finally turns his attention to you. [/list][/quote]
.....hum...music please.... I believe the Orger children are our are future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the Orger children's laughter remind us how we used to be Everybody searching for a hero (Prince) People need someone to look up to I never found anyone who fulfill my needs A lonely place to be So I learned to depend on me Chorus: I decided long ago, never to walk in anyone's shadows If I fail, if I succeed At least I'll live as I believe No matter what they take from me They can't take away my dignity Because the greatest love of all Is happening to me I found the greatest love of all Inside of me The greatest love of all Is easy to achieve Learning to love yourself It is the greatest love of all I believe the Orger children are our future Teach them well and let them lead the way Show them all the beauty they possess inside Give them a sense of pride to make it easier Let the Orger children's laughter remind us how we used to be Chorus And if by chance, that special place That you've been dreaming of Leads you to a lonely place Find your strength in love Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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This is indefensible on Prince's part, but I'm sure more than a few lemmings will try. | |
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I have not read all replies to the topic (so excuse me if I repeat something) but I actually don't understand why Aaron chosed to close down HQ just because of the banner-issue... Why let it get to you that much at all? Prince is a human being like the rest of us. It's not us, though, it's him being exposed, being made fun of, photoshopped in a ridculous way, e t c...well, what do you expect? Prince can't log in to HQ (or any other fansite) and simply say; "Hey, I'm Prince and I just want to say that what you just wrote/did really hurt my feelings...". Right? So, instead he does what he can, ask you to take away this, or to put that down...cause that's the only way for him to try to say that he's been hurt (at least it's my conclusion). And don't blame his fame...just because he's a celebrity doesn't mean he has no feelings, or is that different from anyone else of us. Would YOU like to have the picture of yourselelf photoshopped in a silly way on some website? I think not...
It's all a game. So play it while being aware about that nobody's really perfect...not us and not Prince...and that it may cause troubles from time to time...just don't make it a bigger problem that it actually is... (Aaron - excuse me if I there's s lot I don't know about when it comes to the problems your facing. I just see what I see and feel like I feel - like everyone else. I think your site is to much appriciated to be taken down because of this - aspecially when thinking about everything else you have been facing without shutting down. Gotta bend in the wind but don't break you know...). [Edited 1/30/09 9:44am] | |
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Vanity45 said: It's all a game. So play it while being aware about that nobody's really perfect...
Im gonna play the game of downloading new albums for free and hack my way into lotusflow3r.com He's not getting my money anymore...now only find a way to sneak into the live shows  [Edited 1/30/09 9:37am] --- Where am I? ---
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Vanity45 said:[quote]I have not read all replies to the topic (so excuse me if I repeat something) but I actually don't understand why Aaron chosed to close down HQ just because of the banner-issue... Why let it get to you that much at all? Prince is a human being like the rest of us.
.....hum...music please.. Now that you know How I feel about you Don`t let it go to your head, no Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no, no) Now that you know I can`t live with you, ooh-wee Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no) Don`t take advantage of my love Treat me good, treat me fair Treat me fine Now that I`ve given you Every part of me, ooh-wee Don`t let it go to your head, no Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no, no) `Cause if you`re playin` games It would be a shame Don`t break my heart Don`t break my heart Woo, woo `Cause if you`re playin` games It would be a shame Don`t break my heart Don`t break my heart Woo, oh, ho, ho Now that you know How I feel about you, ooh-wee Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no (No) Now that you know I can`t live with you, ooh-wee Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no, no) Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Go to your head, no (Mmm...mmm...mmm...mmm....) Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Go to your head, no Oh...ho... Don`t break my heart Woo, woo, hoo...ho...ho.... ooh-wee, uh-huh Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Don`t let it go to your head, no, no, no, mmm, hmm Don`t, don`t ever never, never let it Don`t let it go to your head, your head (No, no, no, no, no, no) Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Don`t let it go to your head, no (Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no Don`t let it go to your head, no (Ooh, hoo, mmm...hmm...mmm...hmm...) Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Don`t let it go to your head, no (No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no Don`t let it go to your head, no (Ooh, hoo, ooh, hoo) Don`t let it, don`t let it, don`t let it Don`t let it go to your head, no (Ooh...no, no, no, no) Don`t let it go to your head, no Don`t let it go to your head, no Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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