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Printabledarrenj said: Shapeshifter said: Price has a history of attacking fansites. It's usually called biting the hand that feeds him, but a hand once bitten, won't reach out to feed him again. So the pathetic midget will starve.
He really ought to stick to writing decent songs again. He hasn't made a decent album in five years.  What about Planet Earth.   oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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To be sure, I have a tremendous level of respect, and appreciation, for Prince's talent as an artist. Whatever his legal rights are, and how he choses to enforce them, within the realm of the law, he's entitled to exert.
When I stated my loyalty is with Prince.org, it's for a perfectly good reason. He doesn't maintain a website that fits my needs.. Nor consistantly keeps ANY website. Prince.org has provided a reliable source of info on Prince's old music, new music, movie videos, concerts, a fun community , (and not so fun at times), loyal and humorous perspectives, the freedom to think otherwise, and as much of a civil environment plausable in view of the range of income groups, educational background, experiences, cultures, etc. The only ones who are going to gain, are the attorneys and services he's paying. This from an artist who thinks he's being taken advantage of HERE? | |
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I actually love Planet Earth  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Willy Wonka, you are too nice
 Now give me some candy to sweeten my ass up cuz I'm in a bitchy ass mood!
[Edited 11/7/07 18:03pm] A bit of bite to balance out sweetness is appreciated by the sophisticated palate, Supa. Don't ever lose your edge - you're perfectly delicious as is. 
But here's some chocolate anyway: 
Or perhaps you feel more like these today?
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I actually love Planet Earth
REALLY?! I could barely listen to it. Some of the songs I didn't even play to the very end on first listen. Musicology had its moments, but the last album I liked as a whole was ONA. Anyway, we digress. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Lothan said: txladykat said: I don't see it that the anger is fueled by the "site". The anger is fueled by actions Prince (or his companies as alleged by WS) has chosen to take. We have accurately represented the demands placed upon us. if the fans are upset by those actions, that is not our fault. Are there any plans to moderate what is said on that site? First, I would like to say, no the site is are not responsible. Someone who would use such language obviously has no disregard for others and would use it no matter what, whether the site existed or not. Second, yes we do moderate the comments. We have had to delete many so far. Unfortunately, I am the only one online at the moment and I don't have access to that site. This has already been discussed tonight amongst those of us who do not have access and that will change as soon as the administrator can facilitate that change. The ones that have access currently have been notified and the first one that comes online will be making those changes. We do our best to moderate, whether it be the org, the quake, princefams, or PFU. It is a difficult job, one that we all do voluntarily and spend many hours a day doing. We try our best to remove such comments from all of the sites as soon as possible. | |
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txladykat said: 2the9s said: Hi txladykat
Do you think it's an accurate statement to say that Prince is "launch[ing] attacks on his own fans"? I know that the site owners who started that site are fans, but is there a necessary distinction to be drawn here, or do you think he is attacking all fans? Do you think people are making that distinction? Yes I do because it does not say "every fan". People will always read the same sentence differently. I cannot control whether people make a distinction or not. Various press interviews clearly state that the view of PFU is not representative of all the fans. The future of PFU is solely dependent upon Prince's reponse. 2the9s said: There have ben a lot of hateful comments posted here (on various threads) about P. and wishig him dead and talking about his child and so forth. That anger has been stirred by that site, so I think that these are fair questions.
I don't see it that the anger is fueled by the "site". The anger is fueled by actions Prince (or his companies as alleged by WS) has chosen to take. We have accurately represented the demands placed upon us. if the fans are upset by those actions, that is not our fault. Hey, I'm just posing questions that leap out from this whole PFU thing and that will no doubt get asked by others if this thing goes forward the way it seems to be going. I hope that you are comfortable with those answers on that level. I will say that you mention a number of times here that you (meaning the site...I don't really know your role in all this except that I think you have a legal background and advised HQ people?) can't be held responsible for how people react etc. But that kind of indifference to the interests of the fanbase doesn't fill me with confidence that you guys are a bunch of Patrick Henrys looking out for our well being. In my view, that PFU site added to the problems more than helping. You guys probably would have had a good chance of staving off litigation or winning the point if it came to it, if you were really serious about pursuing this through legal channels. But you instead decided to go the PR route and now there are these other issues resulting from the creation of that site that are going to make things difficult. Thanks for answering and I hope there is more to this that would allow things to be settled without this bitterness. | |
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realm said: Lothan said: And everything you said could have been done without resorting to namecalling and insulting the fans that don't believe as you do.
Hey, I have the fucking freedom to call out these "suckers" as I see them. I figure you are smart enough to figure out when your getting screwed? All you focus on is the name calling, explain your demiGODs Actions: - release a magazine and have him take the money and run.. - $100 NPGMC and have Prince not come thru with the advertized cds.. - the UK fans that purchased "aftershow" tickets and get an "afterparty".. so Prince is my demigod? 
The magazine and the advertised CDs: Prince changed his minds. The same things the diehards say endears them tp him or we should accept "because it's Prince" tre the same things they get pissed off at. That was years ago. No one breaks promises but Prince? I already said that the UK fans that paid for an aftershow and got a party should be pissed off. I know i would have been. | |
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darrenj said: realm said: Prince isn't worried about his fan base.
Some fans will just be waiting around for him to release a magazine and have him take the money and run, or spend $100 and have Prince not come thru with the advertized cds, or purchase "aftershow" tickets and get an "afterparty" Simple, Some fans are bitches that like to get kicked around like a dumb dog that will crawl back for more. Here Prince take my money and screw me over!! I like it because I like to be kicked like a POS. They will go and defend the out of control leader by emulating him talking mumbo jumbo L4OA sillyness. Defend him at all costs. IMO, the real fans are the ones that at least have balls to express the displeasure for the communist bullshit Prince is trying to push on us. I hope Prince wakez up to the fact that his organization has fucked up in the past and he is fucking up big time right now with this communist websherriff idiot. Like I said, you won't be missed. 
Are you truly that blind? A lot of us don't care whether we'll be missed by some lying, hypocritical charlatan. | |
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txladykat said: Lothan said: Really? Wow. A vessel has been provided for people to spew hate at Prince, at blacks, at gays and you guys don't feel responsible for that?
Are there any plans to moderate what is said on that site? First, I would like to say, no the site is are not responsible. Someone who would use such language obviously has no disregard for others and would use it no matter what, whether the site existed or not. Second, yes we do moderate the comments. We have had to delete many so far. Unfortunately, I am the only one online at the moment and I don't have access to that site. This has already been discussed tonight amongst those of us who do not have access and that will change as soon as the administrator can facilitate that change. The ones that have access currently have been notified and the first one that comes online will be making those changes. We do our best to moderate, whether it be the org, the quake, princefams, or PFU. It is a difficult job, one that we all do voluntarily and spend many hours a day doing. We try our best to remove such comments from all of the sites as soon as possible. | |
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WS sent a DMCA to prince.org's ISP. In that DMCA notice they alleged that certain materials were violating copyright of Prince/NPG/AEG. A DMCA notice requires you to identify the materials you allege to be infringing. In the DMCA notice WS included pictures of people with their tatoos, license plates, etc.
Ben responded appropriately to the DMCA notice specifically stating that (and I quote) "there are certainly MANY images in the list provided that were taken by members of the site and don't include Prince etc (i.e. picture #10 is a picture of a fan's car, taken by the fan, but there are MANY more examples)." As someone pointed out, we cannot post the entire letter. Even if we could, it would take up about 10 pages to post the letter because WS has a entire laundry list of the images he claims were infringing which include, as pointed out by Ben, invidual pictures of fans, their tatoos, their cars, etc. Hope this sheds some light. | |
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OOPS! double post, the 1st didn't go through right away..... [Edited 11/7/07 18:49pm] | |
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Lothan said: txladykat said: First, I would like to say, no the site is are not responsible. Someone who would use such language obviously has no disregard for others and would use it no matter what, whether the site existed or not. Second, yes we do moderate the comments. We have had to delete many so far. Unfortunately, I am the only one online at the moment and I don't have access to that site. This has already been discussed tonight amongst those of us who do not have access and that will change as soon as the administrator can facilitate that change. The ones that have access currently have been notified and the first one that comes online will be making those changes. We do our best to moderate, whether it be the org, the quake, princefams, or PFU. It is a difficult job, one that we all do voluntarily and spend many hours a day doing. We try our best to remove such comments from all of the sites as soon as possible. edit...my bad, misunderstood. depends on the context. [Edited 11/7/07 19:34pm] | |
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Lothan said: txladykat said: First, I would like to say, no the site is are not responsible. Someone who would use such language obviously has no disregard for others and would use it no matter what, whether the site existed or not. Second, yes we do moderate the comments. We have had to delete many so far. Unfortunately, I am the only one online at the moment and I don't have access to that site. This has already been discussed tonight amongst those of us who do not have access and that will change as soon as the administrator can facilitate that change. The ones that have access currently have been notified and the first one that comes online will be making those changes. We do our best to moderate, whether it be the org, the quake, princefams, or PFU. It is a difficult job, one that we all do voluntarily and spend many hours a day doing. We try our best to remove such comments from all of the sites as soon as possible. Hon, I don't understand why it bothers you so much if other people are allowed to say things that you wouldn't say. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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darrenj said: Shapeshifter said: Price has a history of attacking fansites. It's usually called biting the hand that feeds him, but a hand once bitten, won't reach out to feed him again. So the pathetic midget will starve.
He really ought to stick to writing decent songs again. He hasn't made a decent album in five years. What about Planet Earth.good point. he hasn't made a decent album in SIX years.  | |
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2the9s said: txladykat said: I don't see it that the anger is fueled by the "site". The anger is fueled by actions Prince (or his companies as alleged by WS) has chosen to take. We have accurately represented the demands placed upon us. if the fans are upset by those actions, that is not our fault. Hey, I'm just posing questions that leap out from this whole PFU thing and that will no doubt get asked by others if this thing goes forward the way it seems to be going. I hope that you are comfortable with those answers on that level. I will say that you mention a number of times here that you (meaning the site...I don't really know your role in all this except that I think you have a legal background and advised HQ people?) can't be held responsible for how people react etc. But that kind of indifference to the interests of the fanbase doesn't fill me with confidence that you guys are a bunch of Patrick Henrys looking out for our well being. In my view, that PFU site added to the problems more than helping. You guys probably would have had a good chance of staving off litigation or winning the point if it came to it, if you were really serious about pursuing this through legal channels. But you instead decided to go the PR route and now there are these other issues resulting from the creation of that site that are going to make things difficult. Thanks for answering and I hope there is more to this that would allow things to be settled without this bitterness. I am not criticizing you for asking questions, and certainly hope you did not take it that way. I tried to answer your questions the best I could. I hope you can understand that there will be differentiating opinions on each side of the coin. This is a very controversial topic, one that will no doubt bring out the bad side of some people. Unfortunately, when multiple requests for talks were ignored and the demand letters kept coming, even including demand for compensation, the site owners felt they had no other option but to reach out to Prince, to the fans, to the public. Attorneys are expensive, I am sure you know that, and to fund a defense against multiple jurisdictions worldwide is even more costly. Trust me, the site owners have TRIED many times to resolve this before going public, but our requests were repeatedly ignored. What other option was there when the door is not opened when you knock? Do you sit back and wait for the various summons to arrive at your doorstep? Take a step back into their shoes for a moment....I don't think you want to be standing in them right now. | |
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gemini13 said: darrenj said: Like I said, you won't be missed.
Are you truly that blind? A lot of us don't care whether we'll be missed by some lying, hypocritical charlatan. RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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txladykat said: WS sent a DMCA to prince.org's ISP. In that DMCA notice they alleged that certain materials were violating copyright of Prince/NPG/AEG. A DMCA notice requires you to identify the materials you allege to be infringing. In the DMCA notice WS included pictures of people with their tatoos, license plates, etc.
Ben responded appropriately to the DMCA notice specifically stating that (and I quote) "there are certainly MANY images in the list provided that were taken by members of the site and don't include Prince etc (i.e. picture #10 is a picture of a fan's car, taken by the fan, but there are MANY more examples)." As someone pointed out, we cannot post the entire letter. Even if we could, it would take up about 10 pages to post the letter because WS has a entire laundry list of the images he claims were infringing which include, as pointed out by Ben, invidual pictures of fans, their tatoos, their cars, etc. Hope this sheds some light. Is anyone any longer in doubt about the tatoos and license plates? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Lothan said: realm said: Hey, I have the fucking freedom to call out these "suckers" as I see them. I figure you are smart enough to figure out when your getting screwed? All you focus on is the name calling, explain your demiGODs Actions: - release a magazine and have him take the money and run.. - $100 NPGMC and have Prince not come thru with the advertized cds.. - the UK fans that purchased "aftershow" tickets and get an "afterparty".. so Prince is my demigod?
The magazine and the advertised CDs: Prince changed his minds. The same things the diehards say endears them tp him or we should accept "because it's Prince" tre the same things they get pissed off at. That was years ago. No one breaks promises but Prince? I already said that the UK fans that paid for an aftershow and got a party should be pissed off. I know i would have been. The magazine, cd, aftershow..all a big SCAM to get more money from the fans and not come thru. You just wait for him to fuck you over three or four more times and then you will wake up. Fans hung around putting up with bullshit from the outside who thought Prince was wack and at the same time we took his shit. Finally P's Ultimate FUCK YOU to the fans as he attacks FAN sites! THANKS PRINCE, THANKS FOR SCREWING US OVER SO MANY TIMES OVER AND ULTIMATELY ATTACKING THE FAN SITES. THANKS FOR PAYING (WITH A SCREWING) US BACK FOR ALL THE TIMES THAT YOU SCREWED US OUT OF MONEY. AND TO YOU FANS THAT THINK THIS SITE IS BULLSHIT AND WRONG...WHY THE HELL ARE YOU EVEN HERE????? GO TO 3121.com AND POST AT THAT SITE LOL!!!! | |
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txladykat said: 2the9s said: Hey, I'm just posing questions that leap out from this whole PFU thing and that will no doubt get asked by others if this thing goes forward the way it seems to be going. I hope that you are comfortable with those answers on that level. I will say that you mention a number of times here that you (meaning the site...I don't really know your role in all this except that I think you have a legal background and advised HQ people?) can't be held responsible for how people react etc. But that kind of indifference to the interests of the fanbase doesn't fill me with confidence that you guys are a bunch of Patrick Henrys looking out for our well being. In my view, that PFU site added to the problems more than helping. You guys probably would have had a good chance of staving off litigation or winning the point if it came to it, if you were really serious about pursuing this through legal channels. But you instead decided to go the PR route and now there are these other issues resulting from the creation of that site that are going to make things difficult. Thanks for answering and I hope there is more to this that would allow things to be settled without this bitterness. I am not criticizing you for asking questions, and certainly hope you did not take it that way. I tried to answer your questions the best I could. I hope you can understand that there will be differentiating opinions on each side of the coin. This is a very controversial topic, one that will no doubt bring out the bad side of some people. Unfortunately, when multiple requests for talks were ignored and the demand letters kept coming, even including demand for compensation, the site owners felt they had no other option but to reach out to Prince, to the fans, to the public. Attorneys are expensive, I am sure you know that, and to fund a defense against multiple jurisdictions worldwide is even more costly. Trust me, the site owners have TRIED many times to resolve this before going public, but our requests were repeatedly ignored. What other option was there when the door is not opened when you knock? Do you sit back and wait for the various summons to arrive at your doorstep? Take a step back into their shoes for a moment....I don't think you want to be standing in them right now. OK, 9s you have a point in that the proper avenue is legal but thank GOD this has become a PR battle because the owners of the sites weren't even being responded to and you of all people know it is a completely unreasonable request to ask that an orger showing off their symbol tattoo be removed from the site (the picture that is) or that Ben owes them any money because someone posted it!. How much would the cost be for the site owners? They need us on their side and if they had to do it with a PR battle, then sobeit. Otherwise they would have been enduring this all alone without the resources to fight Prince and his evil clowns and they would have had 2 choices 1-go bankrupt or 2-close down our community. They weren't even fighting FAIR for godssakes. They thought they could threaten, demand money and ignore requests because they could, considering all the resources he/they have at their disposal. This amounts to a goddamn SHAKEDOWN and racketeering. OMG I'm totally flipping out
. [Edited 11/7/07 19:03pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: txladykat said: WS sent a DMCA to prince.org's ISP. In that DMCA notice they alleged that certain materials were violating copyright of Prince/NPG/AEG. A DMCA notice requires you to identify the materials you allege to be infringing. In the DMCA notice WS included pictures of people with their tatoos, license plates, etc.
Ben responded appropriately to the DMCA notice specifically stating that (and I quote) "there are certainly MANY images in the list provided that were taken by members of the site and don't include Prince etc (i.e. picture #10 is a picture of a fan's car, taken by the fan, but there are MANY more examples)." As someone pointed out, we cannot post the entire letter. Even if we could, it would take up about 10 pages to post the letter because WS has a entire laundry list of the images he claims were infringing which include, as pointed out by Ben, invidual pictures of fans, their tatoos, their cars, etc. Hope this sheds some light. Is anyone any longer in doubt about the tatoos and license plates? I just wanna see them now!! 
txlasdycat: I didn't take it as you criticizing me and I appreciate your last response. | |
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Lothan said: txladykat said: First, I would like to say, no the site is are not responsible. Someone who would use such language obviously has no disregard for others and would use it no matter what, whether the site existed or not. Second, yes we do moderate the comments. We have had to delete many so far. Unfortunately, I am the only one online at the moment and I don't have access to that site. This has already been discussed tonight amongst those of us who do not have access and that will change as soon as the administrator can facilitate that change. The ones that have access currently have been notified and the first one that comes online will be making those changes. We do our best to moderate, whether it be the org, the quake, princefams, or PFU. It is a difficult job, one that we all do voluntarily and spend many hours a day doing. We try our best to remove such comments from all of the sites as soon as possible. Why can't those stay? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, 9s you have a point in that...
Thank you, Supa, I didn't really read the rest. | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Lothan said: So, are the "fuck you Prince" comments going to be allowed to stay?
Hon, I don't understand why it bothers you so much if other people are allowed to say things that you wouldn't say. | |
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2the9s said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: OK, 9s you have a point in that...
Thank you, Supa, I didn't really read the rest. You sonofabitch!  It's very dangerous to put your bare fingers near my teeth right now
. [Edited 11/7/07 19:05pm] 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Anxiety said: darrenj said: What about Planet Earth.good point. he hasn't made a decent album in SIX years. Musicology, 3121, Are both decent albums. The Planet Earth cd's i gave to people after the london shows love it. Prince has a lot of new followers in the UK [Edited 11/7/07 19:07pm] | |
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gemini13 said: Lothan said: So, are the "fuck you Prince" comments going to be allowed to stay?
Why can't those stay? depends on the entire context. We don't condone racial comments, and extremely foul language. Depending on the entire content of the post it can either be deleted or just bleeped out. | |
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darrenj said: Anxiety said: good point. he hasn't made a decent album in SIX years. Musicology, 3121, Are both decent albums. The Planet Earth cd's i gave to people after the london shows love it. Prince has a lot of new followers in the UK
[Edited 11/7/07 19:07pm] 3121 was shit, come ON!! Are you blind AND deaf? And as far as not being able to delete my account at that goddamned joke of a website, it's so cryptic. You can come if you want to, but you can never leave Hey Prince, there's about 173,000 website that show lyrics to your songs, better start printing those letters bub. [Edited 11/7/07 19:13pm] | |
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darrenj said: Anxiety said: good point. he hasn't made a decent album in SIX years. Musicology, 3121, Are both decent albums. The Planet Earth cd's i gave to people after the london shows love it. Prince has a lot of new followers in the UK
[Edited 11/7/07 19:07pm] Ya, hear that Prince...you've gone from fans to followers!
Good luck with that!  | |
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txladykat said: gemini13 said: Why can't those stay? depends on the entire context. We don't condone racial comments, and extremely foul language. Depending on the entire content of the post it can either be deleted or just bleeped out. Well then, darlin', I have a problem with your site too. WHAT is WRONG with you people? You can't say fuck anymore? This is ridiculous. | |
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