Mars23 said:

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1) How about people that signed up 2 months ago? Clearly the site is going away. Do they get a pro-rated refund for the 10 months of that year they aren't going to get for their money?

2) What videos were there for download? Or are grainy, sub-youtube quality rips from bootlegs with sub-titles considered "premium content"? But wait, we weren't able to buy those either....

3) Did anyone see an option to check or uncheck for automatic renewel? I didn't. In fact, with the T-shirt thing, I don't even think that there was a size option that first night. And clearly even emailing the address they gave didn't do any good either when they weren't even checking the email.

NDRU said:

Bullcrap. He was never ahead, and NOBODY admired L4OA.

GoldiesParade said:

Guess what, those screenshots WERE on the Org, but then they REMOVED those because otherwise Prince would get mad at them.

BartVanHemelen said:

the only site i liked was the npgmc version with the monthly downloads.
and that was simply because it was a bit less kitschy and had some mp3
files on offer every month.

the love4oneanother site was another graphics heavy, kitschy site that
looked more like a watchtower magazine than a musician's website.

his sites have always had a cultish, weird and nonsensical look. even
the 'good' npgmc had lame artwork of all those weird ass drawings of
supposedly 'cool and funky party people' that looked like aliens.

IstenSzek said:

Do you mind? They're his best freinds. The one's who live inside his head telling him what to release next.

harveya said:

I received the same message this morning and checked my credit card which has now been charged and yesterday it hadn't.
2nd Year LotusFlow3r membership

Dear Jeffrey,


It has come to our attention that some of our members have erroneously been charged for a second year of membership to Lotusflow3r.com. We understand that this must be very worrying, and are working right now to make sure that everyone has their money refunded as soon as possible.

Sincere apologies for this inconvenience, and thank you for your support over the last year.

Sincerely,
LotusFlow3r.com


I am royally pissed off and have contacted my credit card company which has opened a fraud case against LotusFucker.com. I have passed the breaking point and will no longer spend my money on any of his failed ventures. Nothing he does now or in the future could even compare to what he has accomplished in the past, so i'm cutting my losses and enjoying and remembering what he has done, with no intention of gettin involved in what he will do. In my eyes he might as well be dead because he treats those that continue to support him, like shit!

A 40.00 membership to U2.com gets you access to all their videos and audio, special videos and live footage, free cd's and t-shirts, presale codes for tickets and so much more. Whats best is there is no hassel and no reason to worry. If there is a problem you get a response with solutions within 12-24 hours. This is how an online fan site should run and oh yeah they don't change the name of their website everytime the wind blows a different direction.

Prince needs to be held accountable! We deserve nothing less!

bono421 said:

I feel your pain mate. It's a sad day indeed to be a Prince fan.

Prince...Please..please...please...NO MORE WEBSITES!!! I dont know how someone as wealthy and as intelligent as you are can develope the worst and most boring websites..but for some reason you just cant seem to get it together in this area. So please, just stick to music and leave the websites alone. Better yet..HIRE THE ORG TO DO YOUR FUTURE PROJECTS!!! Ill bet you $77 they can do a better job!

colm said:

Yes, Bart does.

I don't always agree with Bart but this thing is an entire fuck-up and there is no excusing it.

I'm usually 'positive' about Prince, but I'm not a bloody idiot. This is the worst web-enterprise Prince has ever been involved in and there is ann extra $77 missing from my account.

That is fact, not opinion. My bank statement certainly proves that.

PurpleLove7 said:

And how does that relate to my missing $77? Or satisfaction level among members?

Should we not offer any criticism because this might be 'Prince's last album/site'? If it were, yes, I would give a fuck, but that does not stop me from making my feelings known.

You set-up a site you deal with it properly. You take $77, you take responsibility for it. Prince is not exempt from usual standards of business practice and customer satisfaction because he's a music legend. On a business level, he is equal to anyone who takes money and puts their name to a product or venture. Ultimately, the buck stops with THEM.

And I write this as someone with every Prince album, remix, Mp3, whatever he's released and someone who attends tours, was joined to the other NPGMC ventures.

At this point, what could P do to make it up 2 us?

They say they are issuing refunds, so you get ur money back. What else would please u?

I never complained about the money for the site. It's a choice you make when you join whether you feel it's worth it or not.

For those who have been charged again, they'll be refunded and there was an almost immediate response from the web developer.

What I always found wrong was that any mails to Lotus support were never answered. Not that I ever mailed them myself.

However, what if the amount of mails complaining and whining were to such an extent that those employed were unable to handle the volume? They knew in advance that Prince would not continue with the site which seems at this point as if that's the case. Therefore, answering all the "cancel subscription" emails was a worthless cause. They were also bound by a confidentiality clause to not disclose any info.

Although I'm sad to see Lotusflower go, and this forum will then leave too, at least here on the org, in time there'll be one less thing to complain about:-P That is. If people get over it and that's the big question. Will they go on and on forever about how bad LF was or will they have their say and call it a day?

Bohemian67 said:

I totally agree with you. I would be upset if they didn't bother to address the charges and refund the money.

It was the choice of the individual to join the club. No one was forced to join.

I really feel that some people around here just love to complain and it's in their DNA (it's in mine also).

Bohemian67 said:

"ever had a Crystal Ball....?"

swanny said:

Maybe Prince can use this money to pay his overdue real estate taxes and get "Mr. Man" off his back!

Bohemian67 said:

I absolutely agree.

And I did email the web team once - when I was unsure about whether the t-shirts that were listed as "girls" were actually sized for women. They replied within 24 hours, answering my question completely and ensuring that I had ordered the size I meant to.

It was my choice to join the site without any promises being made. I really can't complain about the outcome.

chickenman said:

Yes!! that's it. He can use all the $77s to pay the tax, then make the refunds, so next year he makes a loss and the taxman will owe him... Genius! err... hang on...

colm said:

ronnwinter said:

Indeed, just sell us some worthy CD's!

LittleNicci said:

Please call 911 and tell them you are having a psychotic break. They'll have comfortable rooms and beautiful white jackets for you.

SquirrelMeat said:

Back a year ago I was a renegade hater. Now I'm part of a flock! I'm thrilled I didn't pay for this debacle. When Prince attacked our sites, that was IT for me. I didn't need another rip off venture to choose not to support Prince. I too will rely on giftings from friends to get the music. I'm done with him forever and the only thing that would ever bring me back is a humble and true apology for all his BS. That would probably start with a religious conversion which isn't coming anytime soon.

Prince should just retire and be done with it. make music in your basement for your pleasure because clearly you don't give a crap enough to do it for your fans.

IstenSzek said:

Even though NPGMC was taken over by fambots, that was the best site he ever had. I would pay for something like that again, assuming he apologizes My membership on that site was some of the best money I ever spent. He got more than the $100 annual fee when you throw in the 3 concerts I went to.

Genesia said:

So you happen to be the only person they ever wrote back? How coincidental!

BartVanHemelen said:

It may make some fams cry, but that is the cold hard TRUTH.

Efan said:

I thought those were spare bullets.

Tremolina said:

It's 15 years now with this same exact outcome. Nobody can be surprised.

OperatingThetan said:

And that is also the truth.

Ahhhh,..... there we go again..

Bohemian67 said:

What a stupid commentary. When you buy a car and after 100 miles you notice that you've been ripped off because the engine is broken, would you also say "it's a choice you make when you buy it whether you feel it's worth it or not"??
It's not about the "choice" to join at all here, it's all about people have been tricked into a membership that didn't deliver what it promised. Face it.



The fact aside that prince.org (as always) was faster than that stupid mail, and the fact aside that the site itself still doesn't give any answer to members' questions, and the fact aside that the mail didn't mention ANYTHING about the site itself and how/if/why it should continue, hell yes, we got a brilliant customer service, you're right.



Yeah, i agree. NOT answering any of them should be the best way to deal with the customers then. LMFAO. You must be completely out of your mind.



Yeah? And why the fuck haven't they ever told us until this very minute? LOL!



No, i think people will get over it.
But i guess a LOT of fans in future will UPload every official bit of his music they can get their hands on to torrent sites fully intentionally to ruin his business and love it because they feel so majorly ripped off by somebody they've been loyal to for fucking decades.

And of course the ratio of people DOWNloading his stuff for free instead of buying it will have multiplied by 10 due to the way he ran his most recent way of catering his fan community.
He made every possible fucking mistake one can make when doing business on the internet, and that sure will come back on him, belive me. "He's not done with the internet", as some say, the internet sure is done with him, and he'll NEVER manage to repair the massive damage he's caused to his own reputation with respect to internet business.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Well, they didn't fuck up this bad with credit cards before, but yes agree, nobody should be surprised.

15 years uh? I guess the price of 'freedom' is very steep.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

they did write back about things early on. I got a response when I wrote to them within the first weeks to make sure I was getting the right size shirt