bono421 said:

I think it would be better if you didn't view it this extreme. In the end it's just $77.

But I agree with the conclusion that Prince fans deserve much better, that it's a terrible shame that somebody with so much music like Prince just can't make this work and that the only way to make him change his ways, is to force him.

No it's not nice. No it's not pretty. No I don't think this is reason to be happy. On the contrary. But if Prince and his fans really want to have a mutually beneficial relationship in the future, then they better do it, because there isn't a snowball chance in hell that Prince will by himself. 15 years, good lord...

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You make very wild rash statements. They're actually so far fetched they're funny.

Tremolina said:

I am so fucking sick of that it's just $77.00 bullshit, I could literally punch something!!!

When it comes to Prince's money, if it's just one fucking cent that someone owed him for say a picture of him posted on a website or a snippet of a song of his played in the background of a homemade video of a baby dancing, y'all climb the walls about how it's HIS MONEY and how no one has the right to take money out of his pocket.

But here he is with another failed venture literally taking money that was not his and y'all say in the end it's just $77.00.

Ain't that a bitch? That could have been a portion of someone's food, rent, utility or car payment money, that THEY not Prince worked for!

I'm to the point where I really don't blame Prince, if stupid ass folks kept laying down in front of me, I'd walk all over them too!

BartVanHemelen said:

Really why would you guy's pay $77.oo for a website ....that's crazy ...when alot of other orgers said they could not afford it guess what ...no one cared ...when you all knew you could get the CD $11.00 at target you still signed up to the website ? Why ?

That's the freaky part ... i just don't get it... as a fan base you had orgers all over the world trying to get hold off the CD and alot (not all) of the US orger didn't care that they could not get hold of the CD for the same target offer price ....

That's the real truth...

I'm glad that Gav who i think is an ex-Housequaker got hold off the email to help you guys out ....more of this is good work done by Prince.org
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Haterina, did you read the rest of my post too?

Look, here it is: yes it is all very shitty. I agree with that, as I agree with that this cannot be accepted. If you would have read my other posts too, surely you know that lol. But in my honest opinion it's also not something to go completely ballistic about, unless you like feeling that way and don't care whether you come across as somebody who may just go out and hurt somebody over this.

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HatrinaHaterwitz said:

People that are happy with what they got for their $77, not once, but twice, are too stupid to even deserve money.

errant said:

Gawd... are you saying that I said THAT??

Tremolina said:

what I said above is what I say.

Tremolina said:

It's funny because I'm sure she aint even anywhere near being on full blast.

FunkyDissCo said:

Dear Funkydiss, How can you compare a website to a car? Maybe that's your problem. You have such "so called high standards" that you thought you could "drive" Lotusflower. I mean compare apples to oranges but not an apple to a tractor. People were tricked were they? Hmm I see so you're angry that Prince is too clever? The very fact that you tell me I'm stupidtells me loads.


Why didn't the development team let you know the site would close? Have you never been bound by a confidentiality clause in an employment contract?

Fans will now just upload illegally. Please, the "haterade" drinkers here are such fantatics they need EVERYTHING Prince ever does, music released/unreleased/ artwork/pics whatever. That it'll be done illegally on the net, that's long been the case. Ehhhh?? Bootlegs etc etc etc


It's funny that people bitch and complain because Prince wants to be paid for his artwork/music/ etc because he feels it's not for free but when he allegedly "takes your $77" for "free, everyone complains. Nope, a taste of one's own medicine never tastes good, I'll admit that.

As far as reputation goes...sorry to remind you but remember Michael Jackson? He suffered the worst reputation damage any artist could ever have gone thru. There's a host of people in this world wiser than your average Joe who believes everything he/she reads on the internet.

So now the failure of Prince and his camp to announce the closure of Lotus is due to a confidentiality clause?

And I'm shocked that you are 42 bohemian. You sound like a 14 year old with that logic.

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errant said:

This is the second time I've read this statement and I also give it 10/10 for being the most stupid statement ever made on the org.

Tremolina said:

I read it. My point is when it comes to Prince's money (the images, the dancing baby, etc.) the arguments made repeatedly around here is that is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG, to take money out of Prince's pocket figuratively. Yet when he takes money out of y'all pocketss LITERALLY with yet another failed venture, y'all excuse it away with a dismissive "in the end it's just $77.00". That is very condescending.

Y'all have even had the gall to act like it's alright for him to go ballistic, threatening to sue people, forcing the shutting down of websites, hiring a clown called the Web Sheriff to intimidate people and such.

I don't think anyone wants to hurt him but damn, I do think they have every fucking right and reason to be pissed and dismissing them when y'all stand so adamantly behind Prince when it comes to his money is atrocious!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

here here!

it's quite simple. if you don't want to be a doormat, get yo ass up off the floor.i did. but i'm afraid that there are some here who seem to have lost the power of choice.that's on them.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Yeah, God forbid Prince be denied fake royalties he isn't even due but let him steal $77. X thousands of fans and the excuses roll out like a shit carpet

Bohemian67 said:

Wrong and stupid. Of course i can't "drive" Lotusflower, what a silly sentence. But both are products being sold. Can you explain the difference?
Whether you buy a bottle of beer, a car, a CD or a house, if it's damaged you will be angry and demand your money back, parts of it or some other kind of compensation. Will you explain me why any kind of internet service should ever work differently here?


So, NOW we're talking. So, basically you're saying that he tricked us, but because he's a "clever" ass and tricked us in a "clever" way people should be angry only a millimeter less? Yeah? Is that what you're saying? Do I smell some malicious joy here?




Stupid, again. Do you really think that's what a customer should care for? Does any "confidentiality clause" make a broken engine less broken? The customer less pissed? The car better? Hell, no. You sound like a lawyer trying to find the legal loophole for somebody who just screwed up big time.
I was only saying that we're entering "year 2" now and we've not even been informed to this point about how the LF experience will go on. Hasn't got anything to do with "confidentiality clauses", but a lot with treating fans/customers badly, period.



Once more, you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm not talking about bootlegs. I'm talking about piracy which is a totally different thing. And i know a lot of people that just threw their "I'll download the bootleg, but I'll always BUY official stuff to support my artist"-ethics over board just because they're so incredibly pissed. You totally missed the point.



And again, your completely astray. People would never question the fact that he or anybody should get money for his or her work. The thing is that they paid beforehand and didn't get anything. $77 for a 15$ CD with more stuff promised but no further delivery isn't "paying for his music", it's theft. What do you think WHY people paid $77 then? He? BECAUSE they feel that they should/want to pay him for his work. HE didn't deliver. HE screwed up. HE just got his most dedicated fan base pissed. And that's exactly the ones you said "WERE going to pay for ANYTHING he does". Now, in future, they won't anymore.



And to bring your brilliant post to an end, you again completely missed the point, as always. It's not about his reputation in general, it's about his standing as somebody making $$ with internet services. I don't feel like explaining that to you anymore.

To sum it up, you sound extremely partial, gloating, unlogical, blinded and fam-ish. You completely misunderstand what people say, intentionally or not. You make a fool of yourself, thereby, and show your total lack of understanding of all the things you're talking about. Happy year 2, my dear.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If you go back and read Funkydiss's statement he said: Quote :Yeah? And why the fuck haven't they ever told us until this very minute? LOL! "

Well what is your reason SFOS why the LF Dteam didn't tell until now?

I can predict your answer. It's because they're "yes men," it's all a consipiracy, it's all Prince's intention and purpose etc etc to alienate his fans so that they hate him, he's out to steal their money etc etc.

Noone knows what went on behind the scenes and jumping to the first possible judgement the way you do, well don't you think that's just a bit ...well you know.

And a little note to Funkydiss. In your previous mail you deliberately didn't quote my "it's far from perfect" but sarcastcially say in your answer re customer service, "yeah you're right, it's brilliant customer service."

I'd prefer it that you quote me correctly and don't make misleading statements in your reply.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You know it!

Cause if it had been either one of our money...by the time we were done putting his ass on blast...he'd have personally brought us our money!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Why do you think I approved of all those actions? Why do you throw me into a group of "Y'all". You are not calling me a fam are you??

For the record haterian: I was one of the first in here to critique and oppose his website ventures, his law suits against fans, his bootleg policy, his internet censoring, his religious hypocracy.

Right now I am also one the first to conclude that if fans want a change they need to boycott and sue his purple ass, because he doesn't listen to any other language.

Now let's do this again, what are you blaming ME for exactly??

(Gawd in one thread I get all the fams on my back and in another all the haters )

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Bohemian67 said:

Your euphemistic use of the term "service" is fantastic.

Bohemian67 said:

The ONLY reason they told you guys ANYTHING is because people were upset and they got caught. If the sheep just rolled over for another screwing and said nothing, they wouldn't have issued any statement. They would have just put that money in Prince's bank account so it could accrue interest while the flock waited for year 2 to begin.

All year long people kept saying that we just need to wait to see what kind of content would show up. People kept expecting something to happen and nothing did. Now the site just closes down and people get charged and they are pissed. Rightfully so.

But the excuses just keep coming. Put that crap in the toilet where it belongs


Prince has been doing his online ventures for 15 years now. That is more than enough time to figure things out. At this point it can't be anybody's fault but his own.

Tremolina said:

I just quoted what you said. You were the one that said it and regardless to what you consider yourself, it was a Fams excuse. It was dismissive and condescending to the people who are pissed off about THEIR money not being where it belongs!

For me, this is not about Fam Vs Hater, it's about what's right and what's wrong!

Prince, his whomever his has working for him and ANYBODY making excuses for them are WRONG!

FunkyDiss, You cannot compare a website to a car sorry. I don't buy your comparison.

I'm not going to argue about what was got for the 77 bucks, that's been discussed ad nauseum here before. Let's agree to disagree there.

You miss the point. MJ's damage to his reputation meaning PRECISELY (not only making money on the internet) it was far worse and he survived brilliantly. I beleive Prince will do the same.

I miss the point because whether it's a a bootleg or piracy, you know people who have now thrown their own ethics overboard? Funkydiss ik had jouw punt al lang door, alleen het duurt even voordat jij dat zelf door heb. You have strange reasoning. I understood you perfectly. I'm saying before and after is not going to change things THAT drastically! It's being going on for ages.

Now you say "of course people believe that an artists should get paid for things but in the same sentence literally you say, "they don't believe that anymore." Exactly my point, they're perhaps a few added branches to a very solid tree that's has existed for a long while.

But honestly, do you think revenge "of the new ethics overboard crowd" is the answer? I mean everyone is complaining about how Prince has treated them and now they will go and do the same. Tell me then who is the better person? Prince is "bad" so "I'm going to bad?" I understand people are angry but to the DEGREE they're angry over 77 dollars is what amuses me here. Really, you can call me a fam or whatever. As someone once wrote, human study here on Prince.org is certainly entertaining.

When I wrote "so Prince tricked you" I was quoting your own words, are you so quick at forgetting what you've written? I then asked a question, because I wonder why you think Prince would "trick you." It was a rhetorical question because I know how you and others feel? Your assumptions as to my real meaning are wild.

Name calling is so unnecessay. I'll still stand by my opinions, no matter what names you throw out of the box, they're like water of a duck's back to me.

Hmmm.. wow.....Now, that you've made that duck n water comparison, i see you're right.
I'm sorry, i now totally agree with what you said.
I just send a mail to the LF support asking to add me to the year 2 memberlist again. I was wrong. LF was an amazingly entertaining deal with loads of stuff for my hard earned money. Sorry, Bohemian67, and sorry Prince, for thinking you were a total dickhead.

BTW: Why do you talk dutch to me? I'm not talking that language and translating stuff online is kind of a pain in the ass. Next time we could continue in english i guess.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The underlined part (your reason) is just too far fetched to take seriously sorry.

That people are upset about being charged, I agree. However, there was a quick reaction and it's being solved. Hopefully the sooner the better. This would not be the first company with IT issues. God, I know major "f*** ups" that have resulted in mass corporations overcharging/charging 1000s of clients by mistake. It happens daily in business. Believe me, it is never the company's intention.

That people were not satisfied with the site/what they paid for it/and new content is a whole other story and has been discussed to death here.

I've also heard positive things about previous Prince websites. If that were not so, I don't think so many would have signed up for LF. Although nobody knows how many members there were. It could have been a very small amount.

What I don't understand SFOS is that 95% of people were unhappy about LF & sent mails that they wanted to cancel their subscription, yet when the site goes they're mad.....still? (IT issues aside)

I don't know Prince or his Tax lawyers/accountants/business advisors etc etc
but I seriously doubt that he did this to screw his fans. The overall vibe I get from many fans is that they're highly manipulative. And maybe that's what attracts them to Prince. Because that's what the complaint generally seems to be.

FunkyDissCo said:

I never said you had to agree. I just said fight fair.

Bohemian67 said:

Prince doesn't fight fair. He's in the gutter when it comes to that.

erik319 said:

Awww I kinda liked the alien people paintings I figured if there was a "Prince World" saturday morning cartoon..that's what the characters would look like

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Where did I claim that I was the only one who got a reply?

Genesia said:

OK, you're one of 3. You, errant and bohemia