Icare4u said:

And Prince thanks you for this review.
It's good that you got your money's worth. At least a few folk will walk away happy from an otherwise "pretty" but lame website.
I don't know if you had to travel to go see those shows or if you are in the general area, but not one of those shows took place where I (or many fans) could get to without having to invest in airline tix and hotel (not to mention the rest that comes with travel). And if you can afford to do all that on a whim just to catch a Prince show, great, but many of us cannot. With tours at least most folk get somewhat of a chance at making it a night out.

So unfortunately $77 was not a great deal to a lot of folk.

unique said:

I wasn't having a dig at anyone - and it's ridiculous for you to ascribe some sort of nasty intent based on a simple question of whether English is someone's first language. Especially on this site where English isn't a lot of people's first language.

I misinterpreted nothing. I am a writer by trade and will put my interpretive and writing skills up against anyone's. You stuck your nose in where it didn't belong - and then had to make me the bad guy. That makes you a jerk.

Icare4u said:

And Prince thanks you for this review.
It's good that you got your money's worth. At least a few folk will walk away happy from an otherwise "pretty" but lame website.
I don't know if you had to travel to go see those shows or if you are in the general area, but not one of those shows took place where I (or many fans) could get to without having to invest in airline tix and hotel (not to mention the rest that comes with travel). And if you can afford to do all that on a whim just to catch a Prince show, great, but many of us cannot. With tours at least most folk get somewhat of a chance at making it a night out.

So unfortunately $77 was not a great deal to a lot of folk.

unique said:

Much confusion over semantics. What I have been referring to as a direct debit on a credit card is in fact a continuous authority transaction. As far as the card holder is concerned, there's little difference between a direct debit and a continuous authority transaction - of course the rules are different but they both allow multiple transactions of varying amounts without requirement for each transaction to be individually authorised by the card holder.

I have no idea why continuous authority transactions are referred to (within the Irish banking system anyway) as direct debits, but they are. Perhaps it was thought that because (as far as the card holder is concerned) they operate similarly, it would avoid confusion, although knowing the way the Irish banks are run, it was probably done for the opposite reason.

As you claim to know what you're talking about, you will have known that I was referring to continuous authority transactions, so I can't for the life of me figure out why you didn't just correct me instead of engaging in a pointless argument about direct debits.

unique said:

I wasn't having a dig at anyone - and it's ridiculous for you to ascribe some sort of nasty intent based on a simple question of whether English is someone's first language. Especially on this site where English isn't a lot of people's first language.

I misinterpreted nothing. I am a writer by trade and will put my interpretive and writing skills up against anyone's. You stuck your nose in where it didn't belong - and then had to make me the bad guy. That makes you a jerk.

ernestsewell said:

I wouldn`t put anything past Prince. Remember he is at war with the media, record companys and fans.

djenerate said:

There's a solution. Did you read my post above?

Folks, stop playing the victim and take proactive measures to prevent any hardship.

colin2007 said:

Only the fans that really think they can rip off his music and videos for free, the others he has no problem with, he may have used the LotusFlow3r site like some sort of honeytrap ...

$77 was alot of money ... not sure why people did not want to buy the same CD for $11.00 at Target or overseas get it via an Ebay dealer or Record shop for less .... very strange...

And did you all notice how quickly the CD was upload to the internet .... how did people get the tracks up their so fast....

No More Candy 4 U ...I guess ....

Blaming this on Prince is so stupid

Brofie said:

It's his site.

Funny - I joined the first day of lotusflow3r and I wasn't charged for renewal.

Brofie said:

It's his site.

Brofie said:

The Lotusgflow3r staff will issue you a Certificate of Merit right after they're done issuing our refunds. Congratulations.

Vendetta1 said:

Sound logic doesn't work with him.

Blaming this on Prince is so stupid

Vendetta1 said:

Let's blame it on Bria just for shits and giggles.

I find this whole thing very odd. I believe people have been trying to e-mail lotusflow3r for at least six months requesting not to be rebilled. To my knowledge no one ever heard back from lotusflow3r. Now, unfortunately, many of us are being rebilled despite our e-mails. Obviously someone at lotusflow3r had to know that many of us were upset and did not plan to renew. Now we get the e-mail from them telling us they are working on the problem and everyone will get a refund.

sosgemini said:

that seems to be right, and a fairly common thing, but how they did it using old data instead of current data is beyond me. normally you would have to have something to trigger the process (even automatically) the data you hold on file, so how did it process data that had been removed/deleted? if people changed card numbers to fake details it should have rejected the payment, or if they were smart the system should have verified the details at point of entry and denied attempts to input rubbish like ones and zeros, in the same way that other merchants verify details at point of sale. it shouldn't have accepted junk for details and ignored that for the old data without informing the customer at any time

the fact that lotusflower and the guy who set the site up don't know how this happened and they denied it should have happened just screams of negligence, and the email sent out saying year 2 shouldn't have been charged sounds like the website is in limbo (like we couldn't figure that out before)

sosgemini said:

Thank you so much for that patronizing response. I read yours, did YOU read mine??

1. My post was mainly documenting the catastrophic (& by no means unique) transaction that took place at the launch of Lotusflow3r, & none of your advice could have prevented it from happening at that stage.

2. As other orgers (some of whom currently work in banking) have stated, for anybody with a Debit card (like myself), it is not possible to block a transaction that hasn't yet gone through, & even then they recommend appealing to the merchant before filing a dispute. Which would result in the same delay's & potential extra charges that I experienced originally.

(for the record, the card I signed up with expired so I don't expect to be charged this year, but my point still stands for those who are more likely to be charged, & indeed those who don't use the org & have the benefit or reading your patronizing comments)

(D')

It s going down , like the wall of Berlin.

You get what you ask 4 , it's cause & effect,

You can't say the man warned you, no more candy 4 U

Something BIG is comming, check your records.

keyboardwizz said:

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of a 110% bullshit post.
It gets better with every read, though.
[Edited 3/26/10 22:45pm]

Bohemian67 is able to clear this question up in the other thread:
They didn't reply to any mails because there were too many of them (mails, that is). So they decided not to answer any of them at all.

And the re-bill is - according to the official mail - not the developers' fault, it's the fault of the people who do the business for the people doing the business for the people of Lotusflow3r, who again are more or less non-connected to the artist formerly known as .

It's all quite simple, just relax and enjoy the show.