we.....you REALLY don't seem part of any 'we' scenario. Just an argumentative individual with a weak ass argument-in the minority-talking shit for the sake of it.

You even seem impressed by their behaviour towards us (thats us-not you-loner)

come on Genesia-how long does it take for you to think of the witty comebacks and sarcasm.....your slipping

another point i'd like to make:

i don't see jethrouk saying ANYWHERE that his petition represents the collective opinion of prince.org, nor does this site endorse his opinion, regardless of what the sitemaster, the moderators, or the users of the .org may think on the matter. he did not ask for the .org's endorsement and we did not give it to him.

he DID say that he originally posted his letter on the .org, and that his petition was in continuation of that post.

nobody's trying to say the .org is trying to put the smackdown on lotusflow3r.com. hell, we were the frickin' technical support center for lotusflow3r.com when it first launched.

polkadotbliss said:

be nice. i DO think genesia is trying to at least pose her point of view with civility. it's only fair for us to offer the same respect. a lil' bit of snarky-sour is fine, but let's not bait.

lol-guilty as charged. Sorry-ish lol

Genesia said:

You speak for yourself! You're the one that's absolutely powerless because you all to willingly surrender your power! Can we changed things on the backend, I don't know but it's a hell of a lot better than what you're doing!

I spent $77 which I really can't afford at this time but I made the decision to do so. I'm not angry or upset with Prince or the website. I am curious to see if there will be any new content added. I am sure that I will receive my t-shirt, I just don't know when. And even when I do receive it, it will not fit because they don't offer XXL. But I knew all of this before joining.

In my opinion I think it's premature for people to be ranting about how Lotusflow3r is rip off. It is a year membership and none of us knows what they might put on that site. On the flip side of that coin, they might not add anything more...but I doubt that.

I actually agree with Genesia that the petition casts a negative light on all of the Lotusflow3r members. It's like you think you can strong arm Prince by doing this.


I've joined every club Prince has had and I've been very happy with what I received: ahdio shows,songs,sound checks,advance ticket sales. I even had a booklet that was damaged in the One Nite Alone box set, to send it back for a replacement. They told me to keep it and they would send me another one. They sent me another whole box set of One Nite Alone, not just the booklet. That went above and beyond my expectations. Prince hasn't stiffed me yet on anything I have paid for. I have patience and faith that we will ALL receive our t-shirts. If the website adds new content I will definitely appreciate that too. If it doesn't, c'est la vie.

as usual-unintended as it may have been on Prince's part-he sure knows how to divide the fanbase.....

DigMeNow said:

I'm not trying to sound like a smart-aleck here, but you DO understand that the whole point of a petition is to show that the people who SIGNED the petition are the ones who support what the petition has to say, right? So if anyone in Prince's camp actually LOOKS at the petition, they're going to see the names on that petition and view them as the complainers. I don't see what that has to do with the entire population of LF.com subscribers.

Genesia-can i ask you this question then ?

was what you have with Lotus what you expected.....and if you say-i had no expectations-why join then. Why not just send a card to Paisley with a $77 gift inside.?

I joined the site with no expectations. I'm a Prince fan and been one for 30 years so I know better. I'd like my t-shirt because it was promised.

Anxiety said:

Anxiety, I most certainly understand the point of the petition. You are entitled your opinion and I respect that. However, I think you are being flippant with me. But that's ok....

This statement from the petition: "Both members and moderators of the org. thought the content of the below letter more-or-less expressed the general consensus of the org. and Prince's wider community."

I don't know if the petition actually represents the consensus of the org. I would like to know how many members Lotusflow3r has, how many agree with the petition and how many disagree. There may be more Lotusflo3r members that don't agree with what is being stated but remain quiet, or are being patient.

There are some other parts of the petition that I don't agree with the wording of. But I'm not going to address that. My opinion stands, I feel it casts a negative light on all the members...since the petition implies this is a consensus.

DigMeNow said:

ok, well, i do see your concern there. i won't post anything linking to the petition on the front page because i don't want anyone thinking this is something created by or officially endorsed by the .org. so that wording, hmmm, i can see both sides of how that can be interpreted. and i'm NOT trying to be flippant.

DigMeNow said:

I kinda agree with you. I don't think separated folks when he made P.F.U.N.K.

Vendetta1 said:

Isn't that reason enough to say enough's enough with his bullshit business practices? I've been a fan for 30 years myself and personally I feel I deserve better for my hard earned money which is why I seriously believe he won't be getting any more of it!

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Yes, it absolutely is. I can admit that.

Desire2006 said:

Sure if it gets to a sizeable number that they take notice.

Vendetta1 said:

i think at the end of the day, the whole PFU/NK mess started a dialog between the unofficial fan sites and prince's camp, and a lot of things got ironed out to an extent where there was even some positive activity that came about as a result.

which reminds me of when people raised a big stink about the year NPGMC promised to deliever four albums as part of that year's subscription and only ended up sending ONA and ONA live, and after much complaining we got downloads for C-NOTE and xpectation on new year's eve.

so i DO think prince and his people listen when the fans aren't happy. there's a history of our concerns being addressed one way or another.

I think that when people believe they have not recieved value for their money they have a right to make their concerns known. Where would Prince himself be now if he had been the kind of person who was afraid to make a few waves when he felt he was not being treated fairly?

Anxiety said:

babynoz said:

Good point.

The point is that:
in the real world, you have a right to complain.- not so in Princeland

in the real world, you have the right to contact agencies like the BBB,- again not in Princeland

in the real world we abide by the 30 day shipment rule- not in Princeland.

Why? You ask? Because the Prince camp's legal team ensure it is not in the contract. If the T-shirts were a part of membership for an example, we would have a legitimate complaint with the Better Business Bureau, but they are not.

Here is a link for "The Real World" businesses' laws from the Federal Trade Commission. Enjoy! http://www.sba.gov/idc/gr...ecom_3.pdf

shellyann said:

actually, wasn't it made specific by LF.com that the t-shirts were part of the "earlybird bonus" for people who signed up for the site within the first week, and wasn't an email sent out to all members of the site promising that the t-shirts were just about ready to be shipped?

Anxiety said:

DigMeNow said:

Thank you.

Anxiety said:

Good Point! But the contract itself did not say anything about t-shirts if I am remembering correctly!

Sorry

shellyann said:

where is the CONtract printed or posted?

i know that when i clicked the button to join, the t-shirt was part of the sign-up process.

and wouldn't they make themselves liable to a certain product after they announce delivery of it in an email sent directly to the customer's email?

Anxiety said:

You are right! It is difficult to deny a commitment made in writing from an organization! Have you saved your email?

shellyann said:

yup!

Anxiety said:

Well than here is the case so far:

1.)Lotusflow3r.com has failed to deliver a membership that is comparable to other artists' membership sites.
2.) Lotusflow3r.com has failed to provide the founding member t-shirt promised to founding members during initiation of the site. This has been acknowledged in subsequent email correspondence.
3) A recent satisfaction survey verifies that 86% of Lotusflow3r.com subscribers are dissatisfied with their membership due to lack of activity.
4) Traffic studies show that the average login time for subscribers is one minute, as of June, 2009.

Feel free to add your own!