I think LF is not that great a site. I don't believe a petition will do much. Have a lil faith. Sooner or later the prettyman will give us some music.

Genesia and I don't agree on much....but we agree on this.

and no that doesn't mean never take a stand on anything it means pick yo battles! and the right way to battle Prince's crappy website is to NOT join.
27 signatures so far....WOW! that'll learn 'em.
Good luck!

27 in less than 24 hours isn't bad.....

and how do you know there are many members to begin with.....ALOT of folk didn't join-which dosen't exactly say they think its good/worth it. Happy lotus members are rarer than a dodo

I have a problem with the wording in that petition. It states "nobody is happy with Prince's website"...??? As a member of lotusflow3r.com I certainly never stated that.


1) How would the writer of the petition know that "everybody" that joined lotusflow3r.com feels that way?

2) Did the writer of the petition asked members who joined lotusflow3r.com, by doing a poll where they voted as to whether or not they were happy with the lotusflow3r.com site;and did the writer of the petition use the results of that vote, to draw his/her conclusion that "nobody is happy with Prince's site?"

3)That comment "nobody is happy with the website" is misleading as there is no true evidence of that to arrive at such a conclusion, and I doubt everyone that joined is "unhappy" with the site, despite the t-shirt situation or pending updated information.. Some members obviously have more patience than others.

I understand the writer of the petition is upset over how the site is run, but I can't see how the writer of the petition feels he/she could speak "more-or-less" for all members that joined.

Just my two cents.
[Edited 6/25/09 7:14am]

i think it means-nobody THAT SIGNS THE PETITION is happy with things.Obviously- If you are happy-you don't sign.....fairly straight forward-no ?

polkadotbliss said:

Then it should say exactly that, if that is what it is "meant to say". It reads as "Nobody, (meaning no one) is happy with Prince's website". It does not say "Everyone that signed the petition is not happy with Prince's website".

I chose not to sign the petition, because when I joined, no one put a gun to my head and told me that I better chalk up $77.00. It was a "personal" choice. I will wait a few more weeks to see if there are any changes or explanation for the delay of t-shirts and updated information.
[Edited 6/25/09 7:06am]

Genesia said:

I find it really hard to fathom that anyone would pay hard-earned money and figure, "If I get screwed, oh well".

Maybe the key phrase there is "hard earned".

sorry-but to me its bloody obvious it speaks only of those that sign the petition.

And nobody put a gun to my head too. But SOMEBODY (the site creator) bigged it up with some outrageous claims and four months of inactivity makes them now sound even more outrageous.....SOMEBODY called it a 'membership'. That does not imply the inactivity that has been so for over a month now. Im glad some like it.

I dont wanna convert anyone to the dark side and dislike it but I find it hard to believe anyone thought the place would be as dead as it is. That the updates would be stuff we've already paid for and isn't even slightly rare. Or for that matter-if you have a genuine concern (t shits or the lack of) that if you contact them as they stated we could-THEY WOULD COMPLETELY IGNORE US.

[Edited 6/25/09 7:06am]

polkadotbliss said:

Well with that being said, that's your choice, and no one is stopping you from signing, so in all fairness, leave it up to everyone else to make their "personal" choice as to whether or not they choose to sign, just like they made the "personal" decision to join the site.
[Edited 6/25/09 7:11am]

Genesia said:

You need to research the term "benefit of the bargain". In business, it is NOT "You pays your money and you takes your chances".

That's the creed of carnies.

polkadotbliss said:

Brilliant.

LOL-sorry but i am leaving folk to decide.....as i said above

YOU joined in and in my opinion 'misinterpreted' the thread/petition

IF YOUR SOOOOO CONTENT-feel free to start a im happy with Lotus thread

it'll be the first you may notice.....

but as i said-good on you for being content with things

2elijah said:

yeah...it actually says
"Both members and moderators of the org. thought the content of the below letter more-or-less expressed the general consensus of the org. and Prince's wider community"
there's no proof at all that it expresses the "general consensus of the org"

polkadotbliss said:

it's hard for you to restrain from name calling and put downs...isn't it?

Shorty said:

I would ask, what does one have to lose by creating/signing a petition?

Are you afraid Prince is going to stop adding new music and videos to his website, or quit offering tickets to his shows? 'Cause if you are, then you're worried about things that have not, and according to the way you guys read his contract, ARE NOT likely to happen.

If, indeed, Prince has decided to (in some people's view) screw over his fans and what we've got is all we're gonna get, then again - what is lost by the petition?

If you are afraid that Prince was just about to open up the vault, but now he's going to get his feelings hurt by the petition, and take his ball and go home, then I suggest you have badly misread the maturity level of a 51-year-old man. Prince has been at this game long enough to know that some people are going to criticize anything he does. But he also knows he's sold 100's of millions of records, so obviously there's a silent majority that supports him.

Although I am currently disappointed with Lotusflow3r, my history with Prince has been great. He has delivered everything he has ever promised for my money, in fact; he's delivered WAY more than promised.

That's why I think there's something wrong somewhere. Either there's a legal issue that's holding things back, or (hopefully not) a health issue that's put Prince down.

As of right now, the only criticism I have is the lack of information. If it's a legal matter, I wish they'd say they're working through it, so then at least we'd know why nothing is happening.

If it's a health issue, then I do understand Prince's right and desire for privacy. So the longer things remain silent, the more I get worried.

happy lotus members are rarer than a dodo.....is offensive to who.....the EXTINCT bird the Dodo for infering he liked Prince.

Name calling..?

sorry but learn to read or understand English a little more

on the health issue-completely aggree though i have to say surely-someone is allowed to give a story to the site. Anything-i don't want personal details-even a made up smokescreen is better than silence-which as you say-makes no sense at all-just adds to the fervour in fact

Shorty said:

Exactly, or the "wider community as well." My question is..how would the writer of the petition know how "Prince's wider community" feels about his site?? "Wider community?" that could include anyone outside the unofficial fan sites as well. Not being rude, just saying that if you're going to create a petition at least get the words/terms right.
[Edited 6/25/09 7:40am]

Shorty said:

Exactly. Thank you.

polkadotbliss said:

You should follow your own advice, it shouldn't be that difficult really.
[Edited 6/25/09 7:36am]

RodeoSchro said:

I'm not afraid of any of that....??? I guess I'm just a lil more patient than others.

lol-i did deserve that one

2elijah said:

you ain't kiddn'

polkadotbliss said:

I didn't say anything about you being "offensive"
if the dodo is extinct (meaning NONE) then nothing could be "rarer"
name calling..? yeah remember? "S-H-E-E-P baaaaah" ring any bells?
I read and understand english just fine thank you.

cool. So its established. Now-back to the thread.....if possible-and if thats such a struggle-use orgnote as this thread WAS making some fair points

polkadotbliss said:

it was...till you butted in so maybe it's time for you to go.

lol.

i just realised the pweddy org girls (lol) are on my case. I best get outta here before they get any more excited. euggggghhhhh at the thought

Shorty said:

I'm not afraid of anything, but I know that the way Lotusflow3r has been operated isn't the way most businesspeople would do it. The lack of content and updates is worse than any membership website I've ever heard of.

So, assuming Prince is a man of integrity (which I believe), that means there must be some reason outside his control for the vapidity of the site.

RodeoSchro said:

like I said....I guess I'm just more patient than you and others. I would hate to sign a petition only to wish I hadn't cause the site eventually comes through...