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Reply #90 posted 06/25/09 8:58am

Anxiety

Shorty said:

RodeoSchro said:



I'm not afraid of anything, but I know that the way Lotusflow3r has been operated isn't the way most businesspeople would do it. The lack of content and updates is worse than any membership website I've ever heard of.

So, assuming Prince is a man of integrity (which I believe), that means there must be some reason outside his control for the vapidity of the site.


like I said....I guess I'm just more patient than you and others. I would hate to sign a petition only to wish I hadn't cause the site eventually comes through...


how would you know that the site hadn't come through as a result of the petition?
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Reply #91 posted 06/25/09 9:05am

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Anxiety said:

how would you know that the site hadn't come through as a result of the petition?

Prince's camp will tell us that "in no way whatsoever was fan pressure and disatisfaction the reason for uploading the Detroit 1986 live birthday concert and the previously unreleased album Roadhouse Garden for audio download, and for sending out a free cd single of Discopjandjellysandwichfish extended version, these things were always planned and more is to follow ...soon!" of course biggrin
Just somewhere in the middle,
Not too good and not too bad.
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Reply #92 posted 06/25/09 9:33am

Shorty

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Anxiety said:

Shorty said:



like I said....I guess I'm just more patient than you and others. I would hate to sign a petition only to wish I hadn't cause the site eventually comes through...


how would you know that the site hadn't come through as a result of the petition?


I knew someone (and probably you) would ask that. I guess it would all depend on the situation and actual events. I'd have to decide based upon any information I could gather if it had anything to do with it....or not. My guess is this petition will linger here on the org and never really go anywhere...but by some chance say like a whole 200 sigs are gathered up and sent in....I still don't think it'll have much if any impact.
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Reply #93 posted 06/25/09 9:37am

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babynoz said:

I think that when people believe they have not recieved value for their money they have a right to make their concerns known. Where would Prince himself be now if he had been the kind of person who was afraid to make a few waves when he felt he was not being treated fairly?


Exactly! Prince has stated in more than one interview how he felt about not owning his masters, his relationship with Warner Brothers, etc. If we're not happy with Lotusflow3r because they're not giving us what we were promised, we have every right to voice our opinions/complaints.
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Reply #94 posted 06/25/09 9:40am

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psychodelicide said:

babynoz said:

I think that when people believe they have not recieved value for their money they have a right to make their concerns known. Where would Prince himself be now if he had been the kind of person who was afraid to make a few waves when he felt he was not being treated fairly?


Exactly! Prince has stated in more than one interview how he felt about not owning his masters, his relationship with Warner Brothers, etc. If we're not happy with Lotusflow3r because they're not giving us what we were promised, we have every right to voice our opinions/complaints.


Absolutely! And look what Warner Bros. did - they just signed those masters right over to him. nod

Oh, wait...
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Reply #95 posted 06/25/09 9:41am

2elijah

Anxiety said:

Shorty said:



like I said....I guess I'm just more patient than you and others. I would hate to sign a petition only to wish I hadn't cause the site eventually comes through...


how would you know that the site hadn't come through as a result of the petition?


I'm sure if something new suddenly pops up on the site this week or next or we get t-shirts, folks will attribute that to the petition, but we shall see. shrug
[Edited 6/25/09 9:55am]
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Reply #96 posted 06/25/09 9:41am

Anxiety

Shorty said:

Anxiety said:



how would you know that the site hadn't come through as a result of the petition?


I knew someone (and probably you) would ask that. I guess it would all depend on the situation and actual events. I'd have to decide based upon any information I could gather if it had anything to do with it....or not. My guess is this petition will linger here on the org and never really go anywhere...but by some chance say like a whole 200 sigs are gathered up and sent in....I still don't think it'll have much if any impact.


fans complaining about the NPGMC the year of the "four albums delivered to your door" had impact. we got C-NOTE and xpectation.

fans complaining via PFU had impact. it was acknowledged with "PFUNK" and then prince's camp worked directly with the fan sites on various projects and promotions.

i don't think voicing dissatisfaction is a waste of time at all, given the track record.
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Reply #97 posted 06/25/09 9:45am

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Genesia said:

psychodelicide said:



Exactly! Prince has stated in more than one interview how he felt about not owning his masters, his relationship with Warner Brothers, etc. If we're not happy with Lotusflow3r because they're not giving us what we were promised, we have every right to voice our opinions/complaints.


Absolutely! And look what Warner Bros. did - they just signed those masters right over to him. nod

Oh, wait...


lol
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Reply #98 posted 06/25/09 9:48am

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psychodelicide said:

Genesia said:



Absolutely! And look what Warner Bros. did - they just signed those masters right over to him. nod

Oh, wait...


lol


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Reply #99 posted 06/25/09 9:49am

Shorty

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Anxiety said:

Shorty said:



I knew someone (and probably you) would ask that. I guess it would all depend on the situation and actual events. I'd have to decide based upon any information I could gather if it had anything to do with it....or not. My guess is this petition will linger here on the org and never really go anywhere...but by some chance say like a whole 200 sigs are gathered up and sent in....I still don't think it'll have much if any impact.


fans complaining about the NPGMC the year of the "four albums delivered to your door" had impact. we got C-NOTE and xpectation.

fans complaining via PFU had impact. it was acknowledged with "PFUNK" and then prince's camp worked directly with the fan sites on various projects and promotions.

i don't think voicing dissatisfaction is a waste of time at all, given the track record.

well...like I said Good Luck! thumbs up!
and I'll be sure to thank all y'all when/if we ever get anything outta that site. Cause lord knows it will be because of the petition that we get it. confused
smile
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #100 posted 06/25/09 9:51am

Shorty

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psychodelicide said:

babynoz said:

I think that when people believe they have not recieved value for their money they have a right to make their concerns known. Where would Prince himself be now if he had been the kind of person who was afraid to make a few waves when he felt he was not being treated fairly?


Exactly! Prince has stated in more than one interview how he felt about not owning his masters, his relationship with Warner Brothers, etc. If we're not happy with Lotusflow3r because they're not giving us what we were promised, we have every right to voice our opinions/complaints.


you're not really comparing owning your masters to not being happy with lotusflower website are you? Nahhhh....couldn't be.
"not a fan" falloff yeah...ok
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Reply #101 posted 06/25/09 9:51am

2elijah

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That's why I think there's something wrong somewhere. Either there's a legal issue that's holding things back, or (hopefully not) a health issue that's put Prince down.
As of right now, the only criticism I have is the lack of information. If it's a legal matter, I wish they'd say they're working through it,so then at least we'd know why nothing is happening.


I do agree with part of your post. It would have been nice if a mass email was sent out to members stating that "Things are currently on hold until further notice and we apologize for any delay(s) or inconveniences we have caused the members"" or something like that, but who am I kidding? shrug lol
[Edited 6/26/09 18:53pm]
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Reply #102 posted 06/25/09 9:54am

Anxiety

Shorty said:

Anxiety said:



fans complaining about the NPGMC the year of the "four albums delivered to your door" had impact. we got C-NOTE and xpectation.

fans complaining via PFU had impact. it was acknowledged with "PFUNK" and then prince's camp worked directly with the fan sites on various projects and promotions.

i don't think voicing dissatisfaction is a waste of time at all, given the track record.

well...like I said Good Luck! thumbs up!
and I'll be sure to thank all y'all when/if we ever get anything outta that site. Cause lord knows it will be because of the petition that we get it. confused
smile


very funny, wisenheimer. razz
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Reply #103 posted 06/25/09 9:55am

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Shorty said:

psychodelicide said:



Exactly! Prince has stated in more than one interview how he felt about not owning his masters, his relationship with Warner Brothers, etc. If we're not happy with Lotusflow3r because they're not giving us what we were promised, we have every right to voice our opinions/complaints.


you're not really comparing owning your masters to not being happy with lotusflower website are you? Nahhhh....couldn't be.


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Reply #104 posted 06/25/09 9:56am

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2elijah said:

Rodeoschro said:
That's why I think there's something wrong somewhere. Either there's a legal issue that's holding things back, or (hopefully not) a health issue that's put Prince down.
As of right now, the only criticism I have is the lack of information. If it's a legal matter, I wish they'd say they're working through it,so then at least we'd know why nothing is happening.


I do agree with part of your post. It would have been nice if a mass email was sent out to members stating that "Things are currently on hold until further notice and we apologize for any delay(s) or inconveniences we have caused teh members"" or something like that, but who am I kidding? shrug lol
[Edited 6/25/09 9:54am]


It would be nice for lotusflow3r to have better communication with its members, instead of leaving all of us in the dark, wondering what was going on.
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Reply #105 posted 06/25/09 10:41am

2elijah

psychodelicide said:

2elijah said:

Rodeoschro said:


I do agree with part of your post. It would have been nice if a mass email was sent out to members stating that "Things are currently on hold until further notice and we apologize for any delay(s) or inconveniences we have caused teh members"" or something like that, but who am I kidding? shrug lol
[Edited 6/25/09 9:54am]


It would be nice for lotusflow3r to have better communication with its members, instead of leaving all of us in the dark, wondering what was going on.


That was my point, unfortunately, we're still in the dark.
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Reply #106 posted 06/25/09 11:16am

psychodelicide

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2elijah said:

psychodelicide said:



It would be nice for lotusflow3r to have better communication with its members, instead of leaving all of us in the dark, wondering what was going on.


That was my point, unfortunately, we're still in the dark.


Yes, we are definitely in the dark. sigh
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Reply #107 posted 06/25/09 2:16pm

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Genesia said:

HatrinaHaterwitz said:



I didn't join the site because my own personal protest is to not give his ass anymore of my money until he gets his shit together! Will it make any difference to him, probably not but it feels damn good knowing that he didn't get the opportunity to screw me over with that Lostusflow3r shit!

Now if folks would do that by the thousands, he'd get the damn message that he can't keep doing that shit to people but just handing over your money and saying oh well when he screws you over isn't going to accomplish a damn!


You didn't join. Great. You made the right choice - for you.

So what are you doing here? I mean...what's your point?



It's a free sight and I am entitled to be here damn it!!!!!

So what the hell are YOU doing here????


lol
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Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

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Reply #108 posted 06/25/09 2:37pm

Genesia

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Sowhat said:

Genesia said:



You didn't join. Great. You made the right choice - for you.

So what are you doing here? I mean...what's your point?



It's a free sight and I am entitled to be here damn it!!!!!

So what the hell are YOU doing here????


lol


I wasn't talking to you.
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Reply #109 posted 06/25/09 4:17pm

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Genesia said:

Sowhat said:




It's a free sight and I am entitled to be here damn it!!!!!

So what the hell are YOU doing here????


lol


I wasn't talking to you.



I know...hence the lol emoticon at the end of my last post wink
"Always blessings, never losses......"

Ya te dije....no manches guey!!!!!

mad I'm a guy!!!!

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Reply #110 posted 06/25/09 8:33pm

azifwecare

Shorty said:

RodeoSchro said:



I'm not afraid of anything, but I know that the way Lotusflow3r has been operated isn't the way most businesspeople would do it. The lack of content and updates is worse than any membership website I've ever heard of.

So, assuming Prince is a man of integrity (which I believe), that means there must be some reason outside his control for the vapidity of the site.


like I said....I guess I'm just more patient than you and others. I would hate to sign a petition only to wish I hadn't cause the site eventually comes through...


I agree, Shorty...we are on Prince time here (and I knew that going into this) and I am willing and prepared to wait and see what pans out on the site throughout the remainder of my membership. If I am then not happy, I will not renew. And I am sure that if they expect ANYONE to renew, then they are going to have to come through with more than what we have received so far. And I think there are probably alot of fans who feel the same, but don't post due to some of the harsh comments that are made when those feelings are expressed. Just my opinion, as I would not dream of speaking for anyone else.....which I think is Genesia's point to some degree.
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Reply #111 posted 06/27/09 8:07am

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Genesia said:



My point is that nothing any of us say is going to make Prince "get off his ass and do something with the site." It's a lot more likely that what he'll say is, "Ingrates! Who needs 'em?" - and just shut the whole thing down. And then where are you and your former $77?

What repercussions do you suppose he's in for? There's not a darn thing you can do to him. You gave him your money willingly - without a firm promise of anything. Take a stand? How? By posting some toothless petition? How exactly, is that going to stop him from screwing you over - if, in fact, that is his intent?

This whole thing is so childish and silly. You took a chance. You may or may not have lost (you really don't know yet). But I think there's a better than even chance that, by doing this, everyone is going to end up a loser.

Except Prince, of course.



what ever happens, my petition is not going to make things worse. people have paid for a year he cannot take lotusflow3r of the air without refunding people that is actually a crime.



1.7 - OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Lotusflow3r reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of sale at the Lotusflow3r website at any time.
Studies have shown the ass crack of the average Prince fan to be abnormally large. This explains the ease and frequency of their panties bunching up in it.
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Reply #112 posted 06/27/09 8:14am

Vendetta1

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jethrouk said:




1.7 - OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Lotusflow3r reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of sale at the Lotusflow3r website at any time.
falloff
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Reply #113 posted 06/27/09 10:19am

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Mars23 said:[quote]

jethrouk said:




1.7 - OTHER TERMS AND CONDITIONS

Lotusflow3r reserves the right to change the terms and conditions of sale at the Lotusflow3r website at any time.

That is so Prince. Technically, when most folks signed up the day the site opened Prince could have delivered absolutely nothing and there's not a darn thing any of us could do about it.
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Reply #114 posted 06/27/09 10:24am

Vendetta1

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Mars23 said:


That is so Prince. Technically, when most folks signed up the day the site opened Prince could have delivered absolutely nothing and there's not a darn thing any of us could do about it.
Part of the reaon I am not signing the petition. Prince does and always has done whatever the fuck he wants to. He fans dig it until it affects them personally.
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Reply #115 posted 06/27/09 2:21pm

BriaVelveeta

'If the delays have anything to do with Prince being ill at the moment - that is totally understandable. And my thoughts and love go out to him if that’s the case. But I would be grateful if you would let fans know what is happening.'

That's why I'm not signing the petition. Prince's people have denied any problems (albeit through Dr. Funkenberry), and this part of the 'petition' reads to me like 'So, if there's really NOT a problem with your hips, PROVE IT!'

I don't know, it almost seems like they're being taunted with the hip replacement rumors.

Of course, people will insist I'm way off base here, and I hope I am.
I'm just saying why I won't be signing it.
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Reply #116 posted 06/27/09 3:29pm

polkadotbliss

ok.i'm glad you raised that point. Rumours.....?

At the start of the year-when the reporter was at the mansion-Prince WAS limping..

He's had a cane-(and seemingly does not use it.?) all this year.....

The security 'leak' (was this real ?) which mentioned ''what he has to do for his hip''.....

Then-the appearence first of pics outside in Paris-looking as most commented-ill....Folowed immediately by the limo exclusive pics-full make up-lookig very well and healthy (retouched some said) strangely-sent to Funkenberry

The fact even Wendy mentioned recently to the org interview- Prince was in pain (or was it alot of pain) her comment alone tells me they are NOT just rumour.....

Personally-i think the limo pics were a bit suss.like they were meant to tell us something-unfortunatley-the Prince camp pretty much clammed up completely since then (was the recent gold suit appearence long after these pics ? )

so....I don't think the hip thing is rumour. I am not saying anything more or worse has or is happening-he could just be chilling.....BUT

it feels like a year after a lacklustre release-not 4 months since a great releasse-Prince usually capitalises on this.....But its complete silence.

So-i'll say it again-im not inferring anythinh bad has happened-but i think we can safely say-the hip thing is not just rumour-surely...?

PS-hopefully-he'll be at the BET's looking great-doing something amazing-and i think/hope the tee's start arriving any day now.....
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Reply #117 posted 06/27/09 3:53pm

BriaVelveeta

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ok.i'm glad you raised that point. Rumours.....?

At the start of the year-when the reporter was at the mansion-Prince WAS limping..

He's had a cane-(and seemingly does not use it.?) all this year.....

The security 'leak' (was this real ?) which mentioned ''what he has to do for his hip''.....

Then-the appearence first of pics outside in Paris-looking as most commented-ill....Folowed immediately by the limo exclusive pics-full make up-lookig very well and healthy (retouched some said) strangely-sent to Funkenberry

The fact even Wendy mentioned recently to the org interview- Prince was in pain (or was it alot of pain) her comment alone tells me they are NOT just rumour.....

Personally-i think the limo pics were a bit suss.like they were meant to tell us something-unfortunatley-the Prince camp pretty much clammed up completely since then (was the recent gold suit appearence long after these pics ? )

so....I don't think the hip thing is rumour. I am not saying anything more or worse has or is happening-he could just be chilling.....BUT

it feels like a year after a lacklustre release-not 4 months since a great releasse-Prince usually capitalises on this.....But its complete silence.

So-i'll say it again-im not inferring anythinh bad has happened-but i think we can safely say-the hip thing is not just rumour-surely...?

PS-hopefully-he'll be at the BET's looking great-doing something amazing-and i think/hope the tee's start arriving any day now.....
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Rumor or fact, it still sounds to me like 'if nothing's wrong with your hips--prove it!' and that's my main point of contention with this.

And it remains a rumor until there's an official statement on it, I'd say.
Everything you said above is hearsay still (I only see one reliable source listed in your post, that being Wendy).

Do I think there's something wrong?
Sure I do, but what does he need to 'out himself' with that as his reason that the club went to shit really fast? No.

Does he need to tell us anything about his physical health?
No.

Does he need to offer more content at his 'Whole New Galaxy?'
Absolutely.
But does that need to have anything to do with him admitting or denying if he's having hip problems?
Absolutely not.

And I'm definitely not interested in debating whether 'rumor' is the proper terminology here.

I am just saying why I'm not signing.
That is all.
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Reply #118 posted 06/28/09 4:40am

polkadotbliss

sorry-i wasn't having a pop at your comment-i wanted to raise this anyway-i was gonna do a thread but thought it would drop in here just as easily.

I dont mean he has to tell me/us anything.....I accept his privacy

I just wanted to see if anyone else had a view on this other than no way it can be true-though reading my post back-yeah i accept there are no hard facts-and im not having another low dig at him by mentioning the site is quiet

I feel i said enough on my view on Lotus in other threads-gotta give then a chance to respond/do something. I said in another thread-i think they're waiting till the tee's arrive-then something will happen

It's not morbid fascination or anything horrible on my part-i think its natural to have a view /opinion on this after following him for such a long time now

but mabey your right-and until something official is said....just keep silently wondering
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Reply #119 posted 06/28/09 4:50am

polkadotbliss

PS-hopefully now the tee's are arriving i may have to eat all my words and take it all back-which i'll gladly do-we may not even need the petition

somethings happening-yaaaaayyyy biggrin (jealous the US has sunday post though wink
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