1p1p1i3 said:

XNY said:

"I think this is the wrong call.
We shall not be bowed. We must not be bowed."

"Another Victory to the Terrorist"s

Are you that self-centered and self-important that you think Prince should play his European dates regardless of what just happened in Paris?? The terrorists "win" because one fucking musician decides to play it safe and cancel his tour??? Even if the fact the band who was playing was American (Eagles of Death Metal) is coincidental - is that a chance you would take?

This site has a monopoly on the most selfish, egotistical jackasses on the web. Some of us need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Fucking sad.

Who is being self-centred? Are you now suggesting no artists should play live in Europe? No American artists? What am I missing? Is Prince the hero and all other artists and fans going to and enjoying live music selfish jackasses? Or that everyone SHOULD be afraid and stay indoors (or in the US, where, you know, shootings also happen)? Yeah Prince has cancelled (hours after 'postponing' anyway), his call. I'm not selfish for suggesting life should go on and the fear should not. You're not selfish for supporting his decision, not sure we needed the name calling. Does anyone think we'll see Prince in Europe ever again?

Is this even a serious question? He was just there two years ago performing! He's an entertainer, that's kind of his thing to tour/perform. May not be when/where you want him to, but he'll be coming around again soon, no doubts.

A lot of animosity up in here for postponing the tour. I think it's quite normal & respectful to postpone. Patience is a virtue many seem to not have - too bad.

I understand there were ticketing issues prior to the terrorist attacks, but at this point, it doesn't matter, it is what it is.

It's pretty arrogant and insensitive to presume we can decide for other people how they should process trauma, grief and loss, much less put a time limit on them lest they be accused of giving in to terrorists. Who the hell do you think you are to judge? You do not have that right.

What the fuck part of it's not your call to make don't people understand?

People seriously need to get over themselves.

Barbara07 said:

F#ck the terrorists. Well, a change of subject... I'm assuming that this is going ahead in the next couple of months... I LOVE Prince on piano.. Anyone have any wishlists for music? I would love anything from One Night Alone, cover version of A Case of You would be amazing. I've had dreams of a minimal Prince and Piano concert for years, if there's a little announcement I would try multiple venues in a heartbeat

I love The Ladder performed at the end of the BBC Omnibus about him - would love to hear that without accompaniment. Some suggestions below (no means definitive), but I think it'd be great if he mixed it up with songs that you wouldn't expect to work, like Now!

Sign o the Times

The Max

Pink Cashmere

Adore

The Morning Papers

She gave her angels

Large room with no light

Alexa de Paris

I think his voice will shine as much as his piano playing, and whilst it might be a bit much for some, he could easily do 90 minutes. I think a lot of us will come away with a fresh perspective of our favourites, I really can't wait!!

jasopig said:

Lianachan said:

damned if you do and damned if you don't on this site. hating on prince because he has cancelled is more than a bit selfish to me. no, we should not let the terrorists win but when prince sits down to the piano with just that microphone, i want him to be in the moment. i want him to let go and let flow! i don't want him with any concerns about the safety of himself/his crew/his audience floating around in his head. and for all of you in prince's head who know his "real reasons" for cancelling...do you have any idea when he'll open the vault?

sterling said:

damned if you do and damned if you don't on this site. hating on prince because he has cancelled is more than a bit selfish to me. no, we should not let the terrorists win but when prince sits down to the piano with just that microphone, i want him to be in the moment. i want him to let go and let flow! i don't want him with any concerns about the safety of himself/his crew/his audience floating around in his head. and for all of you in prince's head who know his "real reasons" for cancelling...do you have any idea when he'll open the vault?

Is that the new line: "to be in the moment"....pffff

unkleg said:

Barbara07 said:

F#ck the terrorists. Well, a change of subject... I'm assuming that this is going ahead in the next couple of months... I LOVE Prince on piano.. Anyone have any wishlists for music? I would love anything from One Night Alone, cover version of A Case of You would be amazing. I've had dreams of a minimal Prince and Piano concert for years, if there's a little announcement I would try multiple venues in a heartbeat

I love The Ladder performed at the end of the BBC Omnibus about him - would love to hear that without accompaniment. Some suggestions below (no means definitive), but I think it'd be great if he mixed it up with songs that you wouldn't expect to work, like Now!

Sign o the Times

The Max

Pink Cashmere

Adore

The Morning Papers

She gave her angels

Large room with no light

Alexa de Paris

I think his voice will shine as much as his piano playing, and whilst it might be a bit much for some, he could easily do 90 minutes. I think a lot of us will come away with a fresh perspective of our favourites, I really can't wait!!

Free

babynoz said:

It's pretty arrogant and insensitive to presume we can decide for other people how they should process trauma, grief and loss, much less put a time limit on them lest they be accused of giving in to terrorists. Who the hell do you think you are to judge? You do not have that right.

What the fuck part of it's not your call to make don't people understand?

People seriously need to get over themselves.

babynoz said:

It's pretty arrogant and insensitive to presume we can decide for other people how they should process trauma, grief and loss, much less put a time limit on them lest they be accused of giving in to terrorists. Who the hell do you think you are to judge? You do not have that right.

What the fuck part of it's not your call to make don't people understand?

People seriously need to get over themselves.

That's not the point.

Read reply 95 above.

The tour was cancelled before the attack.

Pentacle said:

That's not the point.

Read reply 95 above.

The tour was cancelled before the attack.

No, it wasn't. The promoter ICO still had those dates on hold on Saturday morning as per the venues and people who work there.

The sale of tickets was postponed but still planned to go ahead. And then the attack happened, and THEN the decision was made to postpone the dates.

Militant said:

Mindflux said:

remko said:

Mindflux said:

Precisely. So many drama-queens and exaggertors here. The shows have NEVER been cancelled, even now. Every post made about them says postponed only. It is pernicious to accuse Prince or his management or the promoters as using the events in Paris as a convenient excuse. Today there was a 7-hour armed siege in Paris as the police went after yet another group who were planning another attack tomorrow. I'll bet my house that everyone here saying that everything should just go on as normal, THIS SOON, don't live anywhere near Paris. Seriously, get over yourselves and try and find an ounce of compassion and sense. Some time to reflect, process and be cautious is NOT a permanent change to our way of life.

What is your opinion about people visiting soccer matches and (for example) a prodigy concert in amsterdam at this moment? Or the people sitting and eating in bistros in Paris and elsewhere? [Edited 11/18/15 13:13pm]

People are free to do anything they feel like. I didn't say noone should go out.

Amsterdam is not a high target. Paris is. So is London. I live and work in London and I'm carrying on my usual routine, as I always have (having lived with the threat of terrorism in this city all my life - from the IRA to Daesh). But Paris is still extremely sensitive at the moment and noone should be denouncing anyone for their personal decisions or reactions to what was (and still very much is) a very volatile and fast-moving situation.

Where do you live, by the way?

Just seen you are in Holland. So, not far away, but not a Prime Daesh target either. Those, of course, are the US, UK, France and now Russia.

I understand what you are saying about life goes on as normal and I concur - as I said, I don't live in fear of terrorism. But it's the chest-beating about it that just seems so out of place. Most reasonable people know that we don't give in to terrorism - but this is very soon after a hugely damaging attack and people should not be held to account for their decisions. And, as has been pointed out, some of those decisions are being made for them anyway (the police in Paris are not allowing a lot of concerts to happen anyway).

[Edited 11/18/15 14:41pm]

Pentacle said:

babynoz said:

It's pretty arrogant and insensitive to presume we can decide for other people how they should process trauma, grief and loss, much less put a time limit on them lest they be accused of giving in to terrorists. Who the hell do you think you are to judge? You do not have that right.

What the fuck part of it's not your call to make don't people understand?

People seriously need to get over themselves.

That's not the point.

Read reply 95 above.

The tour was cancelled before the attack.

When the tour got cancelled wasn't the point I was addressing obviously.

My post specifically addresses the comments made on this thread implying that people are giving in to terrorists. Under the circumstances it is inappropriate to attempt to dictate to others how they should be responding, period.

Read the thread.

rafael said:

sterling said:

damned if you do and damned if you don't on this site. hating on prince because he has cancelled is more than a bit selfish to me. no, we should not let the terrorists win but when prince sits down to the piano with just that microphone, i want him to be in the moment. i want him to let go and let flow! i don't want him with any concerns about the safety of himself/his crew/his audience floating around in his head. and for all of you in prince's head who know his "real reasons" for cancelling...do you have any idea when he'll open the vault?

Is that the new line: "to be in the moment"....pffff

really... that is what you chose to walk away with...

Mindflux said:

Just seen you are in Holland. So, not far away, but not a Prime Daesh target either. Those, of course, are the US, UK, France and now Russia.

I understand what you are saying about life goes on as normal and I concur - as I said, I don't live in fear of terrorism. But it's the chest-beating about it that just seems so out of place. Most reasonable people know that we don't give in to terrorism - but this is very soon after a hugely damaging attack and people should not be held to account for their decisions. And, as has been pointed out, some of those decisions are being made for them anyway (the police in Paris are not allowing a lot of concerts to happen anyway).

[Edited 11/18/15 14:41pm]

I understand that in Paris police has other things to do than to be concerned about securing concerts and the like. I am just pointing out that these attacks should not be a reason to cancel tours to Europe (not many artists do by the way or continue touring) nor should we not go to them. As you point ou correctly Europe is bigger than Paris alone. People cancelling trips to wherever but at the same moment getting into their cars to drive to work should get their risc-statistics right.

And of course this all has nothing to do with anyones right to see Prince, as we simply have no right to see him anytime, anywhere. One can be lucky to see him, thats it

[Edited 11/18/15 23:57pm]

TweetyV6 said:

Ridiculous.

As if there's a gun waving religious idiot on every corner in every city.

DANCE ON! That is what we should do. Not give in (because that's exactly what they want to achieve)

Exactly!

Militant said:

Pentacle said:

That's not the point.

Read reply 95 above.

The tour was cancelled before the attack.

No, it wasn't. The promoter ICO still had those dates on hold on Saturday morning as per the venues and people who work there.

The sale of tickets was postponed but still planned to go ahead. And then the attack happened, and THEN the decision was made to postpone the dates.

You expect Prince to solve the ticketmaster problem between now and say February?

1p1p1i3 said:

Nonsense. And in fact this is probably the safest time to be in Paris. The streets are full of armed guards, miscreants are being rounded up and everyone is on high alert. Understandable but wrong in my view. A better response would be to do a Paris residency.

I'm puzzled about the right attitude, but you have a point.

And kindofblue is right to mention "1999",

which is precisely the point.

Now we can only but imagine what a dedicated song to the victims could have been, at the Paris concerts : "Sometimes It Snows In April", or "Comeback".

QueenofPurplePalace said:

Are you guys seriously upset about him respecting the safety of his fams and allowing them time to breathe and recollect and reflect? Most musicians are doing that, let Paris have their grieving period. Of course I understand the point that his music would be a statement of strength and unity but it's also a huge risk that I don't blame him for not wanting to take

Now that I read all these posts, it's true that Skipper is doing the wrong thing.

And I don't mean to be mean, but hey, "Baltimore"? The single? The concert?
It's still deaths by gun.

Where's the logic?

BartVanHemelen said:

ecnirp98 said:

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

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Pray tell: how can a venue defend itself against terrorists armed with kalashnikovs and bombs?

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[Edited 11/17/15 4:50am]

There is no easy way to defend against terrorist attacks, that's the point of them. Things like body scanners on entry can be used, like at airports and allot of sports venues/even schools use, it may stop weapons being smuggled in (not just terrorism but gang/crowd trouble etc). On the news they are saying increased security will cost allot of money to implement, with the price of concert tickets now, some of this money should be used to implement better security is my point, but unfortunately this will never be enough to stop a well armed terrorist group if they are determined, I guess in the end you may only be moving them onto a venue with lesser security.

[Edited 11/19/15 4:47am]

S3V3N said:

ecnirp98 said:

If tickets would have been on sale the Friday morning at 10am, then concerts cancelled the Saturday after Paris, I would believe the cancellation was due to the events in Paris, the fact the ticket sale was postponed/cancelled befoe Paris with very little info apart from comments on after sales profiteering, I do not think it is cancelled purely due to the Paris terrorism.

You're right! Prince probably used the bombing as an excuse to back out of the shows. He's a flake and a coward, and nobody would know unless you came here to expose such an important lie with your brilliant detective work. Do the world a favor and delete your account.

Cancelling the concerts because of the Paris terrorism would not be an excuse, cowardly or flaky in my opinion, if you or your staff/fans would not be/feel safe you have every right to cancel, so I would not say any of these things.

My point is that the tour was pretty much cancelled before the Paris attack happened, only the most optimistic Prince fan would have expected this tour to go ahead on Friday hours after the initial sale never happened.

I do not feel I have said anything that justifys my requirement to delete my account, if anyone can convince me otherwise, or a moderator wants to, I am happy to oblige.