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Reply #30 posted 11/16/15 9:48am

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Nonsense. And in fact this is probably the safest time to be in Paris.

The streets are full of armed guards, miscreants are being rounded up and everyone is on high alert.

Understandable but wrong in my view. A better response would be to do a Paris residency.
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Reply #31 posted 11/16/15 10:01am

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remko said:

Militant said:

given the specificities of this attack.

Should we also stay out of Bars and restaurants?

Are you a musician? Can you imagine how you would be feeling if you were performing, and someone came in and murdered members of your audience?

Prince ain't the only one postponing his shows.

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Reply #32 posted 11/16/15 10:07am

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Unfortunately not everyone is going to be on the same page about daily life after terror attacks. It is probably a well-respected decision to put this tour on hold till further notice. It's not only about what the fans want for the best but also artist, musicians, tour promotors, venues and the city itself
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Reply #33 posted 11/16/15 10:07am

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Militant said:

remko said:

Should we also stay out of Bars and restaurants?

Are you a musician? Can you imagine how you would be feeling if you were performing, and someone came in and murdered members of your audience?

Prince ain't the only one postponing his shows.

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Precisely. Moreover, U2's show was canceled by the authorities, not the band. Y'know, the people who are responsible for the public's safety/security. NOT the band.

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"We didn't call it off," Bono said. "It was canceled, honest, and I understand perfectly why ... It's up to the French authorities and the city to decide when we can go back."

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/1...index.html

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Reply #34 posted 11/16/15 10:13am

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This time you made a mistake.
(...)
Prince ?
(...)

Do you hear ?

(...)
You're ginving in on terror.
(...)

Why ???
(...)
That's exactly what they want.
(...)
Instead, you could have showed strenght, compassion, love.

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #35 posted 11/16/15 10:22am

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Militant said:

remko said:

Should we also stay out of Bars and restaurants?

Are you a musician? Can you imagine how you would be feeling if you were performing, and someone came in and murdered members of your audience?

Prince ain't the only one postponing his shows.

Giving in to fear like this because of your own little personal fear of death is quite meaningless.
It is equal to giving in to what these terrorists are trying to accomplish.
You only support the Parisians by being there right now, and make sure there economy runs like never before, and their lives go on like never before.
Dance the can-can NOW ! Celebrate life and freedom !
I'm going to Paris the day after tomorrow because i have to be there for work.
They asked me if I would like to cancel my trip, and hell no i won't !
If i get killed because of an attack, so be it. I'M NOT AFFRAID.
The chance of this happening is so damn little...
I wil NEVER give in to fear, nor wear weapons, or ever use one to protect myself or others.
IT'S AGAINST MY VALUES AND LIFE IN GENERAL.

And,
never forget that religion was and still is the root of loads of evil that causes this.

[Edited 11/16/15 10:24am]

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And wiser people so full of doubts"
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Reply #36 posted 11/16/15 10:32am

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Vienna and London aren't Paris.
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Reply #37 posted 11/16/15 10:45am

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Militant said:

remko said:

Should we also stay out of Bars and restaurants?

Are you a musician? Can you imagine how you would be feeling if you were performing, and someone came in and murdered members of your audience?

Prince ain't the only one postponing his shows.

excuse me? musician?

It can happen ANYTIME ANYWHERE. Doesn't make any difference if you're an artist, restaurant owner, sportsman or whatever. The frenach and german soccer teams will play this week. They understand why they should.

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Reply #38 posted 11/16/15 10:50am

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if you saw the scenes in that paris concert venue...then this was the right decision...how could any of us sit in a concert venue in europe and feel at ease watching a concert..?...how could prince play without thinking about what happened ?...we couldnt...its not about letting the terrorists win...its not worth having concerts if the time isnt right...and we need time to grieve for the poor people who were killed in paris.....it was the right decision...no doubt about that..

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Reply #39 posted 11/16/15 10:55am

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Are you guys seriously upset about him respecting the safety of his fams and allowing them time to breathe and recollect and reflect? Most musicians are doing that, let Paris have their grieving period. Of course I understand the point that his music would be a statement of strength and unity but it's also a huge risk that I don't blame him for not wanting to take
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Reply #40 posted 11/16/15 10:56am

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blackbob said:

if you saw the scenes in that paris concert venue...then this was the right decision...how could any of us sit in a concert venue in europe and feel at ease watching a concert..?...how could prince play without thinking about what happened ?...we couldnt...its not about letting the terrorists win...its not worth having concerts if the time isnt right...and we need time to grieve for the poor people who were killed in paris.....it was the right decision...no doubt about that..

How many concerts have been cancelled in your hometown? And the ones that go ahead, are they empty? Don't people go into bars anymore, empty restaurants all over the continent? No one watching a sportmatch anywhere?Wonder how many fans will go to this weeks internatuonal soccer matches? probably full stadiums, people will pay respect and/but also go on with the lives they live.

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Reply #41 posted 11/16/15 11:04am

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I wish he hadn't cancel. I understand and respect the reasons behind it, and I understand the point of view of those who agree with the cancellation. But we cannot let those people win. We will go continue attending concerts, bars and restaurants. We will continue attending big events. And of course we are going to be worried, but we have to go on. What those criminals did in Paris last weekend (and Lebanon and Iraq) was horrible, but it will be even worse if we capitulate to what they want.
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Reply #42 posted 11/16/15 11:08am

yellowday

Onlineticketshop wrote the concerts were postponed and there would be other dates.They would let know as soon as there would be new dates for that was the information given to them.
That lets me hope for a tour next year, Though I doubt that it will be the same format.
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Reply #43 posted 11/16/15 11:09am

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blackbob said:

if you saw the scenes in that paris concert venue...then this was the right decision...how could any of us sit in a concert venue in europe and feel at ease watching a concert..?...how could prince play without thinking about what happened ?...we couldnt...its not about letting the terrorists win...its not worth having concerts if the time isnt right...and we need time to grieve for the poor people who were killed in paris.....it was the right decision...no doubt about that..

Yes it is right to celebrate.
Tolisten to music.
To live.
To not give in.
To go to concerts.
To show respect to those who are dead by celebrating the every day life the way everyone needs to live it. And that is = stay strong and never give in.
You can think about what happenend, but you're allowed to show respect the way you want.
It's absolutely worth being at any concert, happening, anything that gives meaning life in general.
Grieve can be in many forms.
Those people wanted to go to a concert and have fun. Well go to one NOW. And dance sing shout be wild in grief they way you like it !
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It's a wrong, absolutely wrong decision to stay away.
But i will aways respect whatever people do. But that doesn't mean i need to agree with the way they do it.
Fear is never good.
Grieve can be so much more than only sadness towards victims.

[Edited 11/16/15 11:12am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #44 posted 11/16/15 11:30am

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Another Victory to the Terrorists.

Exactly. To paraphrase Denis Diderot,humanity will never be free, (or safe) until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. Thanks again, religion.

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Reply #45 posted 11/16/15 11:34am

theartistirl

There is no right or wrong in his decision. If he came tomorrow I would be there at the drop of a hat. Would it feel right? Probably not. Would my wife and kids be scared? Yes. Would they let me go? Probably would try to persuade me not to. We would argue. Should we give in? No. Life must go on but I honestly don't think it is the time. Emotions are high. The security forces have other priorities protecting ordinary people with strained resources. This is complicated.

I have lived in a country affected by terrorism and honestly life goes on and you don't give in to them. However you try not be reckless either.
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Reply #46 posted 11/16/15 11:35am

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Vannormal said:

blackbob said:

if you saw the scenes in that paris concert venue...then this was the right decision...how could any of us sit in a concert venue in europe and feel at ease watching a concert..?...how could prince play without thinking about what happened ?...we couldnt...its not about letting the terrorists win...its not worth having concerts if the time isnt right...and we need time to grieve for the poor people who were killed in paris.....it was the right decision...no doubt about that..

Yes it is right to celebrate.
Tolisten to music.
To live.
To not give in.
To go to concerts.
To show respect to those who are dead by celebrating the every day life the way everyone needs to live it. And that is = stay strong and never give in.
You can think about what happenend, but you're allowed to show respect the way you want.
It's absolutely worth being at any concert, happening, anything that gives meaning life in general.
Grieve can be in many forms.
Those people wanted to go to a concert and have fun. Well go to one NOW. And dance sing shout be wild in grief they way you like it !
---
It's a wrong, absolutely wrong decision to stay away.
But i will aways respect whatever people do. But that doesn't mean i need to agree with the way they do it.
Fear is never good.
Grieve can be so much more than only sadness towards victims.

[Edited 11/16/15 11:12am]

not about fear...its about whats right..what feels right...all i am saying is starting a tour next week isnt the right time..its too soon after the terrible attacks...i think most people would like a bit of time...to bury the dead and reflect...just a bit of time is needed..that all i am saying....if he starts the tour again in the new year then that will be great..

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Reply #47 posted 11/16/15 11:45am

NorthC

Blackbob is right. Why is it so hard for some people here to understand that right now isn't the time to have a party? Imagine someone you love, dies. Would you have a party at the funeral? Why is it so hard to understand that people may need time to grieve? I understand the point of not giving in to terrorists, but if Prince does this tour early next year, then we he's not giving in to them. Just have a little patience.
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Reply #48 posted 11/16/15 11:45am

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I agree that we should all continue, but not recklessly.As Prince has played Bataclan a few times, I understand the response he / his team / promotors have made and we should refrain from judgement. Personally, I'd love to see these solo shows, hope it does happen in the near future.

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Reply #49 posted 11/16/15 11:48am

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NorthC said:

Blackbob is right. Why is it so hard for some people here to understand that right now isn't the time to have a party? Imagine someone you love, dies. Would you have a party at the funeral? Why is it so hard to understand that people may need time to grieve? I understand the point of not giving in to terrorists, but if Prince does this tour early next year, then we he's not giving in to them. Just have a little patience.

A solo piano gig need not be a 'party.' It could be deep, moving & respectful.

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Reply #50 posted 11/16/15 11:59am

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Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.
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Reply #51 posted 11/16/15 12:26pm

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NorthC said:

Blackbob is right. Why is it so hard for some people here to understand that right now isn't the time to have a party? Imagine someone you love, dies. Would you have a party at the funeral? Why is it so hard to understand that people may need time to grieve? I understand the point of not giving in to terrorists, but if Prince does this tour early next year, then we he's not giving in to them. Just have a little patience.

Yes some people seems to think that we should move on like nothing has happened, France just suffered it's worst terror attack in decades and it affects the rest of the Europe as well. It's definitely not the right time for a party
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Reply #52 posted 11/16/15 12:27pm

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Vienna and London aren't Paris.


Wow. This place is off the rails. The authorities shut down U2. France is considering a 3 month state of emergency. Clearly there are people who know something more about Europe's state of affairs than the average weirdo on this site. But go ahead and whine about how "the right to see Prince" is being trampled on.

Priorities, people. Been on here over a decade. Makes me concerned to be associated with this site. This is why I go to concerts and skip fan gatherings.



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Reply #53 posted 11/16/15 12:36pm

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blackbob said:

Vannormal said:

Yes it is right to celebrate.
Tolisten to music.
To live.
To not give in.
To go to concerts.
To show respect to those who are dead by celebrating the every day life the way everyone needs to live it. And that is = stay strong and never give in.
You can think about what happenend, but you're allowed to show respect the way you want.
It's absolutely worth being at any concert, happening, anything that gives meaning life in general.
Grieve can be in many forms.
Those people wanted to go to a concert and have fun. Well go to one NOW. And dance sing shout be wild in grief they way you like it !
---
It's a wrong, absolutely wrong decision to stay away.
But i will aways respect whatever people do. But that doesn't mean i need to agree with the way they do it.
Fear is never good.
Grieve can be so much more than only sadness towards victims.

[Edited 11/16/15 11:12am]

not about fear...its about whats right..what feels right...all i am saying is starting a tour next week isnt the right time..its too soon after the terrible attacks...i think most people would like a bit of time...to bury the dead and reflect...just a bit of time is needed..that all i am saying....if he starts the tour again in the new year then that will be great..

Yep totally agree! I thought as Prince fans we all would have had something in common, but sadly many have shown themselves to be selfish, insensitive and grotesquely arrogant.

What needs to happen to make some people think about others even just for a few minutes!

Thank God I live in the real world.

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Reply #54 posted 11/16/15 1:04pm

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I think lots of tours/events will be cancelled on a purely practical reason, insurance/security/travel costs will go through the roof as it is so sensitive at the moment.

Lots of sports are going on at the moment, I'm watching a full stadium of 70,000 fans at the moment for Ireland v Bosnia playoff on TV, international games are not being called off, one of the attacks on Friday night was at the French national stadium, but France are playing at Wembley tomorrow night.

I think cancelling all activities like Concerts/Sports Events/Public Events are just giving into the fears the terrorists want to cause, so if possible it is best to carry on with life and give the 2 fingers up at the terrorists and show them they cannot win. Unfortunately terrorism is a part of life now and they can strike anytime/anywhere, so unless you live in your house and never leave to travel/goto work/go shopping/go out there is always the possibility of terrorism.

In England we lived in fear of terrorism for 40 years with the IRA and associated terror groups, they regularly bombed pubs/stations/shopping centres/businesses/high streets, so you never felt safe anywhere and took alerts seriously, this wasn't just in London, but life went on and people died because of it unfortunately.

The other thing people are thinking of in particular with Prince is that this tour was pretty much half cancelled the Friday morning when the tickets sale never happened, the tragic events on Friday night totally finished it off, but I think only the most optimistic Prince fan would have expected the tour to go ahead/on sale after the mess up of the tickets sales, whatever caused that (I don't believe it was purely touts).

[Edited 11/16/15 13:07pm]

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Reply #55 posted 11/16/15 1:29pm

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Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.



That is ridiculous of the insurance companies.

So, I can't celebrate music because of the insurance companies think they might not make as much profit as they have done before?


99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #56 posted 11/16/15 1:50pm

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dJJ said:

peachandblack87 said:

Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.



That is ridiculous of the insurance companies.

So, I can't celebrate music because of the insurance companies think they might not make as much profit as they have done before?


It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

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Reply #57 posted 11/16/15 1:53pm

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blackbob said:

if you saw the scenes in that paris concert venue...then this was the right decision...how could any of us sit in a concert venue in europe and feel at ease watching a concert..?...how could prince play without thinking about what happened ?...we couldnt...its not about letting the terrorists win...its not worth having concerts if the time isnt right...and we need time to grieve for the poor people who were killed in paris.....it was the right decision...no doubt about that..

This. Exactly this. Well spoken, Bob.

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Reply #58 posted 11/16/15 1:53pm

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I can't believe people are upset with this decision and/or Prince. This place is fucking unreal sometimes.
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Reply #59 posted 11/16/15 1:58pm

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ecnirp98 said:



dJJ said:




peachandblack87 said:


Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.



That is ridiculous of the insurance companies.

So, I can't celebrate music because of the insurance companies think they might not make as much profit as they have done before?





It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.



One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.




Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.
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