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Reply #120 posted 11/19/15 5:37am

Pentacle

ecnirp98 said:

S3V3N said:

ecnirp98 said: You're right! Prince probably used the bombing as an excuse to back out of the shows. He's a flake and a coward, and nobody would know unless you came here to expose such an important lie with your brilliant detective work. Do the world a favor and delete your account.

Cancelling the concerts because of the Paris terrorism would not be an excuse, cowardly or flaky in my opinion, if you or your staff/fans would not be/feel safe you have every right to cancel, so I would not say any of these things.

My point is that the tour was pretty much cancelled before the Paris attack happened, only the most optimistic Prince fan would have expected this tour to go ahead on Friday hours after the initial sale never happened.

I do not feel I have said anything that justifys my requirement to delete my account, if anyone can convince me otherwise, or a moderator wants to, I am happy to oblige.


Don't delete your account.

Prince had just painted himself into a corner, by having international press fly in for an announcement he could have made on Twitter, then postponing the ticket sales because of a decades-old problem he should have addressed separately (and uh, earlier), and he saw a way out which no-one would argue with.

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Reply #121 posted 11/19/15 7:48am

KCOOLMUZIQ

rolleyes

Flying in the international press was to create early buzz in Europe for his HIGHLY anticipated MEGA , grand piano debut tour extravaganza . prince has been in business long enough to know how to create anticipation for his highly regarded shows. Which had Europe fans at a fever pitch to get in.
eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #122 posted 11/19/15 8:54am

Pentacle

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

rolleyes Flying in the international press was to create early buzz in Europe for his HIGHLY anticipated MEGA , grand piano debut tour extravaganza . prince has been in business long enough to know how to create anticipation for his highly regarded shows. Which had Europe fans at a fever pitch to get in.


Hm, yes, but then when things go awry with Ticketmaster and we're waiting for that HIGHLY anticipated further EXPLANATION and PLAN OF ACTION.... MEGA silence.

And once again disappointment reaches a fever pitch.

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Reply #123 posted 11/19/15 9:37am

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Pentacle said:

Militant said:

No, it wasn't. The promoter ICO still had those dates on hold on Saturday morning as per the venues and people who work there.

The sale of tickets was postponed but still planned to go ahead. And then the attack happened, and THEN the decision was made to postpone the dates.


You expect Prince to solve the ticketmaster problem between now and say February?

Sure. He has many options open to him.

He could use Una Tickets, for a start.



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Reply #124 posted 11/19/15 9:38am

KCOOLMUZIQ

B patient! prince will make it all up next year. With a MEGA ticket plan that will slay all other artist. Then once again be highly regarded as changing the industry to respect the fans & artist alike.
eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #125 posted 11/19/15 9:50am

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Blackbob is right. Why is it so hard for some people here to understand that right now isn't the time to have a party? Imagine someone you love, dies. Would you have a party at the funeral? Why is it so hard to understand that people may need time to grieve? I understand the point of not giving in to terrorists, but if Prince does this tour early next year, then we he's not giving in to them. Just have a little patience.


A cancelled tour is also a question of money. That's what I heard.
Tour organisers and artists are affraid of people not showing up etc... Sure it's about safety first, and this also is so true, but the fact is money's involved. If you like it or not.
One of my friends is a tour organiser, and these are his very words.

[Edited 11/19/15 10:09am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #126 posted 11/19/15 10:04am

Vannormal

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It would've been a great gesture if Prince would at least give out a message.
But you know, i learned that everyone needs to cope with tragedies the way they want, and I will try to respect that.

[Edited 11/22/15 2:01am]

"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves.
And wiser people so full of doubts"
(Bertrand Russsell 1872-1972)
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Reply #127 posted 11/19/15 1:01pm

NorthC

I don't know 'bout ya'll, but after all of this, I just HAD to listen to Marvin Gaye's What's Going On. It's just... Words fail me.. It's the perfect album....
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Reply #128 posted 11/19/15 2:20pm

LeonardZelig

psyche2 said:

paisleypark4 said:

Scalpers were starting to sell the tickets before they were even to go on sale. Thus, Prince postponed them until they found out who did this.

Yeah right - and he realised about that just 30 minutes before tickets would go on sale last Friday. While that decision was made for the best, I can't believe for a second he wasn't aware of such a practice from Ticketmaster's secondary outlets and the likes.

I think it's more he had a change of heart, or had second thoughts about such a 'long term' commitments (a month-long tour), or simply other plans or ideas crossed his mind.

Said this, as enthusiastic as I was about this tour, the 'time' just don't feel right anymore after the Paris' attacks. So be it.

PSYCHE, what a clever username.

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Reply #129 posted 11/20/15 3:34am

lwr001

For the record, the Promoter postponned the show as they take the financial risk of the show selling... for the show that were mentioned that went on,; those shows were sold already. You also have to take into account insurance; a company needs to provide insurance liablity coverage for venue and show..Who's selling in this environment? Even if P did want the show;s to go on, the logistics arent in his favor

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Reply #130 posted 11/20/15 8:05am

lwr001

ecnirp98 said:



dJJ said:




peachandblack87 said:


Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.



That is ridiculous of the insurance companies.

So, I can't celebrate music because of the insurance companies think they might not make as much profit as they have done before?





It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.



One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.





You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present
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Reply #131 posted 11/20/15 1:32pm

dJJ

lwr001 said:

ecnirp98 said:

It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present



I did not know that. I do think it's not based on real statistics, is it?

Or do insurance companies have more costs at rap concerts compared to pop concerts?


How does that work for classical music concerts? I mean if a whole orchestra has to go abroad, it's probably very expensive.

99% of my posts are ironic. Maybe this post sides with the other 1%.
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Reply #132 posted 11/22/15 5:44am

Malloy

I'm petty sure 'I Would Die 4 U' will be off any forseeable setlists. He used to point to the sky when he sang 'U', did he not?
[Edited 11/22/15 5:44am]
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Reply #133 posted 11/23/15 2:43pm

RodeoSchro

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

B patient! prince will make it all up next year. With a MEGA ticket plan that will slay all other artist. Then once again be highly regarded as changing the industry to respect the fans & artist alike.



If he needs any advice on the RodeoSchro Ticket Auction Plan© have him OrgNote me.

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Reply #134 posted 11/27/15 9:34am

briant

Somewhat thread-related: The U2 show which was scheduled for Paris on November 14th (the night after the attacks) will now be on December 7th. So things are being re-scheduled.

Life is going on here in Paris. Many tourists missing, but otherwise the venues are open, the coffee is flowing, etc..

(also somewhat related... I was at the NYC Gansevort show 5 (?) years ago. Tickets for the 2nd show were available AT THE DOOR for face value of $300. The 2nd show was not sold out. It was definitely worth $300. The album wasn't out yet, Prince came out and started with a few notes from a song called "Crimson and Clover". I was 15 feet from him and started laughing. "OMG, It's 'crimson and clover'", I yelled. He got a big smile on his face....)

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Reply #135 posted 11/27/15 9:57am

FrenchFunkatee
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Do u have any news about that tour?
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Reply #136 posted 11/28/15 5:11pm

antonb

Id be surprised if we here anything about this tour before the new year. I think prince will stay holed up at paisley park now and wait and see what happens in the world for a while. Hope i am wrong but I wouldn't hold your breath. Maybe he will tour USA instead.

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Reply #137 posted 11/28/15 6:07pm

nisha24

kindofblue said:

These were the Days of Wild:



I was dreamin' when I wrote this
Forgive me if it goes astray
But when I woke up this mornin'
Coulda sworn it was judgment day
The sky was all purple,
there were people runnin' everywhere
Tryin' 2 run from the destruction,
U know I didn't even care

'Cuz they say two thousand zero zero party over,
oops out of time
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999

I was dreamin' when I wrote this
So sue me if I go 2 fast
But life is just a party, and parties weren't meant 2 last
War is all around us, my mind says prepare 2 fight
So if I gotta die I'm gonna listen 2 my body tonight

Yeah, they say two thousand zero zero party over,
oops out of time
So tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1999
Yeah

Lemme tell ya somethin'
If U didn't come 2 party,
don't bother knockin' on my door
I got a lion in my pocket,
and baby he's ready 2 roar
Yeah, everybody's got a bomb,
we could all die any day
But before I'll let that happen,
I'll dance my life away

Oh, they say two thousand zero zero party over,
oops out of time
So tonight we gonna party like it's 1999



nishapisha
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Reply #138 posted 12/02/15 7:01pm

Ego101

Thank you.. heart

theartistirl said:

Time out...

Many people are dead and injured. As much as I love Prince, it is not importand at this point in time. I was in the Bataclan 3 weeks ago enjoying Maceo, I wanted to go there for Lianne LeHavas, I want them safe. I want us safe. The security staff who looked at my ticket, the people who took my coat, the people who served my drink, sold the merchadise may no longer be with us. Maybe some of the same people were there on Friday. They may be dead or injured or lost loved ones.

It doesn't matter that Prince cancelled or plays. We have no right to question his motive. It is not safe, a country is in mourning and he has cancelled are the only facts there are.

Let's take time out and reflect.

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Reply #139 posted 12/04/15 3:44pm

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Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)

Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.

dJJ said:

lwr001 said:

ecnirp98 said: You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present



I did not know that. I do think it's not based on real statistics, is it?

Or do insurance companies have more costs at rap concerts compared to pop concerts?


How does that work for classical music concerts? I mean if a whole orchestra has to go abroad, it's probably very expensive.

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Reply #140 posted 12/05/15 1:33am

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deepabove said:

Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)



Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.





dJJ said:




lwr001 said:


ecnirp98 said: You realize rap shows have a hard time getting insured due to perceived violence. Nowhere near 128 dead in a concert hall. So ahain, who is insuring at present



I did not know that. I do think it's not based on real statistics, is it?

Or do insurance companies have more costs at rap concerts compared to pop concerts?


How does that work for classical music concerts? I mean if a whole orchestra has to go abroad, it's probably very expensive.







Who insures u2 and the angels of death metal for their paris gig?
Dont know. But it is possible, sp not an argument anymore if it has ever been one.

Who thinks prince will go on with his plans? He probably has forgotten....
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Reply #141 posted 12/05/15 11:13am

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remko said:

deepabove said:

Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)

Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.

Who insures u2 and the angels of death metal for their paris gig? Dont know. But it is possible, sp not an argument anymore if it has ever been one. Who thinks prince will go on with his plans? He probably has forgotten....

the information is usually confidential, but usually the contract between artist and promoter requires the promoter to arrange insurance. lloyds were the underwriters for the u2 360 tour

the insurance is usually arranged in advance, so would cover the tour, so thats probably why they can continue an existing tour. things may get more complexe in future, however security would be increased so it's less likely something can happen again

with a last minute tour, the insurance may also be last minute and not fully arranged. the terms of the contract would be confidential so we wouldn't know if the insurance was completed or not for the planned tour

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Reply #142 posted 12/05/15 12:24pm

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unique said:



remko said:


deepabove said:

Insurance companies are definitely part of the mix when entire tours get canceled in light of global events. (This has nothing to do with this particular tour, but any random tour by any artist.)



Neither venues, promoters or the insurance companies of either want to take the risk when they deem travel is potentially dangerous (and that's even if an artist and the crew still want to go forward). Several bands that were out on tour last month all got their European tours canceled r postponed. There's a lot at stake.






Who insures u2 and the angels of death metal for their paris gig? Dont know. But it is possible, sp not an argument anymore if it has ever been one. Who thinks prince will go on with his plans? He probably has forgotten....


the information is usually confidential, but usually the contract between artist and promoter requires the promoter to arrange insurance. lloyds were the underwriters for the u2 360 tour



the insurance is usually arranged in advance, so would cover the tour, so thats probably why they can continue an existing tour. things may get more complexe in future, however security would be increased so it's less likely something can happen again



with a last minute tour, the insurance may also be last minute and not fully arranged. the terms of the contract would be confidential so we wouldn't know if the insurance was completed or not for the planned tour




You think? The u2 tour would have ended by now. Is there an option in those contracts to extend tours? And so, under which conditions?
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Reply #143 posted 12/05/15 1:40pm

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remko said:

unique said:

the information is usually confidential, but usually the contract between artist and promoter requires the promoter to arrange insurance. lloyds were the underwriters for the u2 360 tour

the insurance is usually arranged in advance, so would cover the tour, so thats probably why they can continue an existing tour. things may get more complexe in future, however security would be increased so it's less likely something can happen again

with a last minute tour, the insurance may also be last minute and not fully arranged. the terms of the contract would be confidential so we wouldn't know if the insurance was completed or not for the planned tour

You think? The u2 tour would have ended by now. Is there an option in those contracts to extend tours? And so, under which conditions?

that's such as vague question. the answer would depend on each individual circumstance

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Reply #144 posted 12/06/15 3:29am

remko

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Anyone thinks this tour will take off? Or is it on the mountain of Prince-plans never materialized?
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Reply #145 posted 12/09/15 5:06am

antonb

He's hiding in Paisley park, waiting for the world to be perfect and safe to exist!
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Reply #146 posted 12/12/15 11:07pm

bashraka

Prince changes his mind all the time on things involving his career. Unless the world is destroyed and we all die, Europe will be in existence in 2016. No rush for him to resume the tour, if it does happen.

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Reply #147 posted 12/15/15 1:30am

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remko said:

Or is it on the mountain of Prince-plans never materialized?

yeahthat

"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #148 posted 12/21/15 1:25pm

egansmind

I would love this to still happen

I thought it was a good concept and something different

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Reply #149 posted 12/21/15 1:53pm

rafael

egansmind said:

I would love this to still happen


I thought it was a good concept and something different



Hopefully zoon! But my guess it Will not happen anymore..
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