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Reply #60 posted 11/16/15 2:01pm

ecnirp98

remko said:

ecnirp98 said:

It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.

I'm guessing the government/local councils will increase securty requirements to get licenses in the future.

Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.

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Reply #61 posted 11/16/15 2:06pm

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ecnirp98 said:



remko said:


ecnirp98 said:



It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.



One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.




Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.

I'm guessing the government/local councils will increase securty requirements to get licenses in the future.



Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.


[Edited 11/16/15 14:04pm]



I dont know for sure. It is also something the public seems to want, according to the dutch news.
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Reply #62 posted 11/16/15 2:08pm

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ecnirp98 said:

remko said:

ecnirp98 said: Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.

Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.



And I thank them dearly!


It was absolutely a blessing that nobody was hindering the atmosphere with a cell phone.



More bands have followed Prince his policy. And I think that is a good thing.


A concert is about being in the moment. Giving your brains, body and soul a break from every day life stress. With your cell phone in your hand, there is no break, folks feel they "have" to record it. I remember seeing Robbie Williams in Paradiso. O wait, what I remember of that concert is how everybody was holding up their phone the whole concert. What I remember from Prince in Paradiso? The fact that everybody was present and involved with the music.


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Reply #63 posted 11/16/15 2:24pm

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dJJ said:

ecnirp98 said:

Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.



And I thank them dearly!


It was absolutely a blessing that nobody was hindering the atmosphere with a cell phone.


What I mean is that his security has not been about crowd security/safety, its been about protecting his image rites, I agree its annoying with people pointing cameras/phones getting in the way (I was at some concerts when he annoyingly told fans to get their phones out and wave them?????), hopefully he will be happy to give up some of his profits (with other artists) to improve security.

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Reply #64 posted 11/16/15 2:27pm

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remko said:

ecnirp98 said:

I'm guessing the government/local councils will increase securty requirements to get licenses in the future.

Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.

[Edited 11/16/15 14:04pm]

I dont know for sure. It is also something the public seems to want, according to the dutch news.

Decent security is going to be demanded from fans, especially at £100-200 a ticket, or people will just not go if they do not feel safe, it will also mean a change in fans behaviour, they will have to arrive earlier to go through body scanners etc, accept pat downs, like airport security checkin now takes allot longer, people accept it and plan accordingly. Its going to be the same at football stadiums, they are already talking about it, lots of European countries have body scanners the fans have to go through.

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Reply #65 posted 11/16/15 2:30pm

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ecnirp98 said:



remko said:


ecnirp98 said:


I'm guessing the government/local councils will increase securty requirements to get licenses in the future.



Prince's security has been more interested in blocking fans from taking a photo by shining torches/lasers at people in recent years.



[Edited 11/16/15 14:04pm]



I dont know for sure. It is also something the public seems to want, according to the dutch news.


Decent security is going to be demanded from fans, especially at £100-200 a ticket, or people will just not go if they do not feel safe, it will also mean a change in fans behaviour, they will have to arrive earlier to go through body scanners etc, accept pat downs, like airport security checkin now takes allot longer, people accept it and plan accordingly.



I guess so
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Reply #66 posted 11/16/15 2:37pm

dJJ

ecnirp98 said:

remko said:

ecnirp98 said: I dont know for sure. It is also something the public seems to want, according to the dutch news.

Decent security is going to be demanded from fans, especially at £100-200 a ticket, or people will just not go if they do not feel safe, it will also mean a change in fans behaviour, they will have to arrive earlier to go through body scanners etc, accept pat downs, like airport security checkin now takes allot longer, people accept it and plan accordingly.




Well, I think that is an over reaction.


Nobody can be certain that he/she is not going to die today. I mean, anything can happen.

Weirdly enough, despite all these dangers, people have a good chance to survive.


So, taking into account that around the world there are a lot of crowded events, among others, concerts. And now there has been one attack. Maybe there will be another attack, somewhere, some day. But, statistically, you have a higher chance to die of a car accident than from going to a concert.

I don't think fans demand to be treated as if they are a terrorist. I think most are willing to live and accepting that life comes with risks.


In stead of being afraid and angry, it is more efficient and construtive to be open, enjoy life and pay attention to the needs of others.

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Reply #67 posted 11/16/15 2:42pm

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In stead of being afraid and angry, it is more efficient and construtive to be open, enjoy life and pay attention to the needs of others.

Yep, That's back tot that other discussion, which is of course not about Prince and his gigs but about what you mention above. In that one, I'm with the Parisians: #jesuisenterrasse

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Reply #68 posted 11/16/15 2:47pm

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dJJ said:

ecnirp98 said:

Decent security is going to be demanded from fans, especially at £100-200 a ticket, or people will just not go if they do not feel safe, it will also mean a change in fans behaviour, they will have to arrive earlier to go through body scanners etc, accept pat downs, like airport security checkin now takes allot longer, people accept it and plan accordingly.




I don't think fans demand to be treated as if they are a terrorist. I think most are willing to live and accepting that life comes with risks.


In stead of being afraid and angry, it is more efficient and construtive to be open, enjoy life and pay attention to the needs of others.

I agree with you, I'm just saying what they are talking about implementing, governments tend to knee jerk reaction by putting in legislation, I will carry on living my life and doing as I want, anything else is letting the terrorists win.

What annoys me is that some basic security/sensible precautions at arenas might deter attacks, but I guess you are just moving the attack on to somewhere else with less security, just seems that allot of money is being paid for tickets and not allot of that go's towards crowd security/safety. Its a difficult problem and you are never going to stop it unfortunately, but when you look at the CCTV/Policing at football stadiums, concert arenas could learn/implement allot.

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Reply #69 posted 11/16/15 3:09pm

dJJ

Yes, you are right.

I'm derailing the thread. Sorry for that.

Back to the info about the tour.

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Reply #70 posted 11/16/15 3:22pm

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http://www.bbc.com/news/w...38?SThisFB

Black Lives Matter protestors in Minneapolis on 15 November 2015

Protests are ongoing in Minneapolis over the police shooting of a black man who witnesses say was unarmed and handcuffed at the time.

A state agency is investigating the incident, which happened on Sunday morning. Relatives of the man concerned say he is on life support.

Black Lives Matter protesters have been demonstrating in the city.

The group gained prominence after the police shooting of a black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014.

That sparked protests nationwide about the police use of excessive force against African Americans.

Jamar Clark, 24, was shot after police were called to a reported assault, and police say he "interfered" with the paramedics assisting the assault victim.

Police officers have said "misinformation" is spreading about the Clark case, and some have told reporters he was not handcuffed.

On Sunday about 150 people gathered to demonstrate at the scene of the shooting and some camped out outside the police station.

Protesters outside of a police precinct on 15 November 2015

The officer involved in the shooting has not been identified yet but two officers have been placed on paid leave.

Black Lives Matter organisers are demanding the release of any video footage that may exist of the altercation.

"We have been saying for a significant amount of time that Minneapolis is one bullet away from Ferguson," Jason Sole, chair of the Minneapolis chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), told Minnesota Public Radio.

"That bullet was fired last night. We want justice immediately."

Mr Clark has convictions for making terroristic threats, aggravated robbery and possessing a small amount of marijuana.

In 2013, Minneapolis police shot and killed 22-year-old black man Terrance Franklin, who was suspected of burglary.

Minneapolis is participating in a federal Justice Department programme for increasing trust between police and their communities

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Reply #71 posted 11/16/15 3:50pm

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Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.

Is this fact or speculation?

Because live music is continuing all across Europe. There were football matches tonight, theatre shows, jazz, classical, rock, opera and all sorts.

Whatever Prince's decision it's his, not the insurers or "the authorities".
I respect his decision but don't understand if it's fear, respect, or his piano set wasn't quite ready.

Europe is still open for business and I sincerely hope we will not let these evil-doers change our way of life.
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Reply #72 posted 11/16/15 4:34pm

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1p1p1i3 said:

peachandblack87 said:
Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.
Is this fact or speculation? Because live music is continuing all across Europe. There were football matches tonight, theatre shows, jazz, classical, rock, opera and all sorts. Whatever Prince's decision it's his, not the insurers or "the authorities". I respect his decision but don't understand if it's fear, respect, or his piano set wasn't quite ready. Europe is still open for business and I sincerely hope we will not let these evil-doers change our way of life.

If tickets would have been on sale the Friday morning at 10am, then concerts cancelled the Saturday after Paris, I would believe the cancellation was due to the events in Paris, the fact the ticket sale was postponed/cancelled befoe Paris with very little info apart from comments on after sales profiteering, I do not think it is cancelled purely due to the Paris terrorism.

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Reply #73 posted 11/16/15 5:32pm

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ecnirp98 said:



1p1p1i3 said:


peachandblack87 said:
Regardless of whether you agree with cancelling or not, from a purely practical point of view tours have to be insured in case of injury etc. and no insurance company will cover an artist playing in Paris (or probably any major European City) at the moment.

Is this fact or speculation? Because live music is continuing all across Europe. There were football matches tonight, theatre shows, jazz, classical, rock, opera and all sorts. Whatever Prince's decision it's his, not the insurers or "the authorities". I respect his decision but don't understand if it's fear, respect, or his piano set wasn't quite ready. Europe is still open for business and I sincerely hope we will not let these evil-doers change our way of life.


If tickets would have been on sale the Friday morning at 10am, then concerts cancelled the Saturday after Paris, I would believe the cancellation was due to the events in Paris, the fact the ticket sale was postponed/cancelled befoe Paris with very little info apart from comments on after sales profiteering, I do not think it is cancelled purely due to the Paris terrorism.



You're right! Prince probably used the bombing as an excuse to back out of the shows. He's a flake and a coward, and nobody would know unless you came here to expose such an important lie with your brilliant detective work.

Do the world a favor and delete your account.
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Reply #74 posted 11/16/15 7:38pm

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Geez, Paris is in turmoil right now, who wants to throw a concert in the midst of all that? People are probably still planning funeral services and burying their loved ones for God's sake! But, by all means, let the concert begin! rolleyes

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Reply #75 posted 11/16/15 11:55pm

Polo1026

I just want to say as a New Yorker, the day after Sept 11 2001, there were people out eating and enjoying themselves. However, they did so while the stench of burning buildings and human beings was so thick in the NY air you could smell the smokey smog of it by the 59th street bridge. More than 60 blocks away from the site of the Fallen towers. I respect everyone's view of life and how each one of us can choose how we live but seeing people eating and drinking champagne outside and laughing while this smell was still so heavy made me sick and it felt inappropriate and disrespectful. That wasn't moving on and being free inspite of terrorism. It was ignoring it and the the dead who died innocently to continue doing what you felt was normal. When we all realize that people dying for no reason isn't a normal death or a normal act is when this kind of events will end. Don't take the innocently murdered lives for granted and it's not fear to take time to mourn them. The song 1999 is about partying knowing full well you're about to face your end. These folk in Paris didn't have that courtesy. Remember that when you're about to type about how unafraid to die you are. None of those people knew they were about to die.
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Reply #76 posted 11/17/15 1:25am

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S3V3N said:

ecnirp98 said:

If tickets would have been on sale the Friday morning at 10am, then concerts cancelled the Saturday after Paris, I would believe the cancellation was due to the events in Paris, the fact the ticket sale was postponed/cancelled befoe Paris with very little info apart from comments on after sales profiteering, I do not think it is cancelled purely due to the Paris terrorism.

You're right! Prince probably used the bombing as an excuse to back out of the shows. He's a flake and a coward, and nobody would know unless you came here to expose such an important lie with your brilliant detective work. Do the world a favor and delete your account.



Bit of a straw man, that. I think the opinion ecnirp98 was expressing was that it's likely the tour was going to be cancelled anyway, whether the tragic events in Paris occured or not.

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Reply #77 posted 11/17/15 2:08am

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remko said:

ecnirp98 said:

It's market forces, its all underwritten on a judgemnet of risk, which is heightened at the moment, i'm sure roadies/merchandising staff etc charges will go up as well, so unless its an essential event that cannot be postponed like a sports playoff, things will be cancelled/0elayed.

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.

For sure there will be more security in the future. Problem for me - which security on this planet would be able to stop a killer like in paris, equiped with a kalaschnikow? The world is in such a sad situation at the moment. I hope my now grown children will see a better world in the future!

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Reply #78 posted 11/17/15 2:23am

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netzverwalter said:

remko said:

ecnirp98 said: Security at upcoming concerts in the netherlands are more tight. Whitesnake for example demands a per person security check.

For sure there will be more security in the future. Problem for me - which security on this planet would be able to stop a killer like in paris, equiped with a kalaschnikow? The world is in such a sad situation at the moment. I hope my now grown children will see a better world in the future!

Yes, its partly windowdressing. Especially as there always will be another target, easier to reach/less security.

I agree on the kids, I'm having a hard time explaining what is going on.

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Reply #79 posted 11/17/15 2:43am

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Polo1026 said:

I just want to say as a New Yorker, the day after Sept 11 2001, there were people out eating and enjoying themselves. However, they did so while the stench of burning buildings and human beings was so thick in the NY air you could smell the smokey smog of it by the 59th street bridge. More than 60 blocks away from the site of the Fallen towers. I respect everyone's view of life and how each one of us can choose how we live but seeing people eating and drinking champagne outside and laughing while this smell was still so heavy made me sick and it felt inappropriate and disrespectful. That wasn't moving on and being free inspite of terrorism. It was ignoring it and the the dead who died innocently to continue doing what you felt was normal. When we all realize that people dying for no reason isn't a normal death or a normal act is when this kind of events will end. Don't take the innocently murdered lives for granted and it's not fear to take time to mourn them. The song 1999 is about partying knowing full well you're about to face your end. These folk in Paris didn't have that courtesy. Remember that when you're about to type about how unafraid to die you are. None of those people knew they were about to die.




I can imagine that the view of these folks having a party made you sick to your stomach.

Especially because they were in the city where it all happened.


However, there are weekly bombardements all over the world. Every week there are innocent people dying from bombs and terrorist attacks.

Those innocent deaths are not intervering with how people live their lives in the rest of the world.

So, I think it was apropriate for Prince to postpone the ticket sale, eventhough the reason for that had nothing to do with the Paris attacks.

I also think that people who have the luxury to live in a country, where there are life concerts, theater and other forms of entertainment, and who can afford it, should go there, without being afraid.

This weekend Paris and many other cities have been mourning. But, I don't think that means that next weekend noboby should go to a concert, because of what happened.

Everybody still goes to the market, despite of all the innocent people in Bagdad who died at markets due to bombings, right?



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Reply #80 posted 11/17/15 4:47am

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ecnirp98 said:

One thing no one has really mentioned is the woeful security at allot of events now, they are more interested in checking if you are carrying in beverages that means's you won't buy their overpriced refreshments, I hope they don't use the costs of extra security/scanners etc to push up ticket prices, the amount we are paying (upto £200 a gig) there should be plenty of security in place before the artists/promotors are taking their profits.

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Pray tell: how can a venue defend itself against terrorists armed with kalashnikovs and bombs?

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Reply #81 posted 11/17/15 7:29am

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"I think this is the wrong call.
We shall not be bowed. We must not be bowed."

"Another Victory to the Terrorist"s

Are you that self-centered and self-important that you think Prince should play his European dates regardless of what just happened in Paris?? The terrorists "win" because one fucking musician decides to play it safe and cancel his tour??? Even if the fact the band who was playing was American (Eagles of Death Metal) is coincidental - is that a chance you would take?

This site has a monopoly on the most selfish, egotistical jackasses on the web. Some of us need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Fucking sad.


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Reply #82 posted 11/17/15 7:30am

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prince is a class act for doing this...
eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #83 posted 11/17/15 7:48am

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prince is a class act for doing this...



Well, there it is folks. The definitive view from an impartial observer.

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Reply #84 posted 11/17/15 8:41am

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I put the chances of us ever seeing him mention this concept again pretty low to be honest let alone re-arrange, I'd like to be proven wrong.... confused


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Reply #85 posted 11/17/15 10:47am

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XNY said:

"I think this is the wrong call.
We shall not be bowed. We must not be bowed."



"Another Victory to the Terrorist"s



Are you that self-centered and self-important that you think Prince should play his European dates regardless of what just happened in Paris?? The terrorists "win" because one fucking musician decides to play it safe and cancel his tour??? Even if the fact the band who was playing was American (Eagles of Death Metal) is coincidental - is that a chance you would take?



This site has a monopoly on the most selfish, egotistical jackasses on the web. Some of us need to take a good hard look in the mirror. Fucking sad.





Who is being self-centred?

Are you now suggesting no artists should play live in Europe? No American artists?

What am I missing? Is Prince the hero and all other artists and fans going to and enjoying live music selfish jackasses?

Or that everyone SHOULD be afraid and stay indoors (or in the US, where, you know, shootings also happen)?

Yeah Prince has cancelled (hours after 'postponing' anyway), his call. I'm not selfish for suggesting life should go on and the fear should not. You're not selfish for supporting his decision, not sure we needed the name calling.

Does anyone think we'll see Prince in Europe ever again?
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Reply #86 posted 11/17/15 10:56am

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Sure. He didn't say he was never going to come back. Let's wait for things to calm down, not only in Paris, but on this forum as well. Y'all know we'll be standing in line next time he comes no matter how we think about this!
We need love and honesty! Peace and harmony! Hold on to your soul y'all, we got a long way to go.
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Reply #87 posted 11/17/15 11:23am

jasopig

I don't have a problem with Prince postponing these shows, given they were due to start less than 2 weeks since the attacks. It's not the decision I would have made if I were him, though. I can think of nobody better than Prince to say, "it's ok to sing again. It's ok to tap your foot without fear, smile and sing along. Here's a little song I wrote to remember the loved ones we lost."

Sort of a F-U to the terrorists, and very similar to Dave Letterman or Jon Stewart after the 9/11 attacks. Forget the positive press it would garner him - it's just something that has to be done eventually, and nobody could do it better than Prince, with a spotlight, a piano and a microphone.

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Reply #88 posted 11/17/15 11:27am

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Lianachan said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

prince is a class act for doing this...



Well, there it is folks. The definitive view from an impartial observer.

o*pin'*ion : n. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

Seems to fit that definition more than "definitive view". But, to each their own I guess.

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Reply #89 posted 11/17/15 11:58am

NorthC

Latest news: terror threat in Hannover, Germany. Football match Holland-Germany cancelled. How many here still want to pretend nothing is happening? I'm not saying we should never have entertainment again (God, no!) but right now, things are very tense.
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