Steelers part ways with OC Randy Fichtner, two more assistants

kpowers said:

namepeace said:

I've heard that before but the records don't bear that out.

Cowher went to 2 Super Bowls in 15 seasons and had 3 losing seasons.

Tomlin has been to 2 Super Bowls in 14 seasons and no losing seasons.

Cowher has gotten PIT to more AFC title games. Several more. But he won just as many of those games as Tomlin, several of them WITH Home Field Advantage.

Speaking objectively, Cowher's postseason record is better, but in terms of getting to more Super Bowls, can't go there.

If Cowher would have stuck around a little bit more he would have won at least one more Superbowl ring with young Ben.

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

namepeace said:

kpowers said:

If Cowher would have stuck around a little bit more he would have won at least one more Superbowl ring with young Ben.

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

That was Cowhers team that won for Tomlin. That was Jimmy Johnson's team that won for Barry Switzer. Though Tomlin and Switzer will get the credit for it. For the record I think Tomlin is a good coach, however at this point Tomlin needs to address his QB situation or the Steelers will be basicaly stuck in neutral. Rothlisberger also needs to man up. Don't get offended if they draft a QB like he did when they drafted Rudolph. Ben needs to make things easier on Tomlin as well, if Ben starts sucking big time he should self bench himself and don't put Tomlin in that position.

kpowers said:

Steelers part ways with OC Randy Fichtner, two more assistants

Fichtner's contract was set to expire at the start of the new league year, and the club will not renew a deal for its offensive coordinator.

Fichtner joined the Steelers in 2007, coach Mike Tomlin's first year with the club.

The Steelers later confirmed the news, adding offensive line coach Shaun Sarrett and defensive backs coach Tom Bradley will also not have their contracts renewed.

Christmas came early for Steelers fans. Addition by subtraction. Fichtner was awful as an OC.

The Steelers need an infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line. Kevin Dotson should be

a starter next year at guard. Word is that Pouncey is gonna retire.

namepeace said:

kpowers said:

If Cowher would have stuck around a little bit more he would have won at least one more Superbowl ring with young Ben.

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

At least KPowers is being reasonable and objective. Some Steelers fans have this crazy idea that

the Steelers would have won 5 more Super Bowls with Cowher and Ben. None of them take into

account they still would have to go through New England and Baltimore. Also not all of the players

Tomlin won the Super Bowl with were Cowher's players. Lamarr Woodley neither Lawrence Timmons were Cowher players and both were main cogs on the Steelers defense when they won the their last Super Bowl. Although James Harrison made the team after being cut 3 times while Cowher was coach he didn't flourish until he became a starter under Tomlin in 2007 making the Pro Bowl.

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

At least KPowers is being reasonable and objective. Some Steelers fans have this crazy idea that

the Steelers would have won 5 more Super Bowls with Cowher and Ben. None of them take into

account they still would have to go through New England and Baltimore. Also not all of the players

Tomlin won the Super Bowl with were Cowher's players. Lamarr Woodley neither Lawrence Timmons were Cowher players and both were main cogs on the Steelers defense when they won the their last Super Bowl. Although James Harrison made the team after being cut 3 times while Cowher was coach he didn't flourish until he became a starter under Tomlin in 2007 making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah I think one more superbowl win, maybe two. You can't ignore the Patriots during this time.

phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Steelers part ways with OC Randy Fichtner, two more assistants

Fichtner's contract was set to expire at the start of the new league year, and the club will not renew a deal for its offensive coordinator.

Fichtner joined the Steelers in 2007, coach Mike Tomlin's first year with the club.

The Steelers later confirmed the news, adding offensive line coach Shaun Sarrett and defensive backs coach Tom Bradley will also not have their contracts renewed.

Christmas came early for Steelers fans. Addition by subtraction. Fichtner was awful as an OC.

The Steelers need an infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line. Kevin Dotson should be

a starter next year at guard. Word is that Pouncey is gonna retire.

I heard Pouncey said he was going to retire when Ben does. But if he does retire unfortunately Pouncey will be remember for that bad snap during the playoff game.

kpowers said:

namepeace said:

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

That was Cowhers team that won for Tomlin. That was Jimmy Johnson's team that won for Barry Switzer. Though Tomlin and Switzer will get the credit for it. For the record I think Tomlin is a good coach, however at this point Tomlin needs to address his QB situation or the Steelers will be basicaly stuck in neutral. Rothlisberger also needs to man up. Don't get offended if they draft a QB like he did when they drafted Rudolph. Ben needs to make things easier on Tomlin as well, if Ben starts sucking big time he should self bench himself and don't put Tomlin in that position.

Switzer won his SB the very next season after Jimmy left.

Tomlin won his SB a full 3 seasons after Cowher retired.

Cowher didn't have the level of personnel control Jimmy Johnson had in DAL. A lot if not most of the credit goes to the PIT FO for building that team.

But I agree with you on Ben, as I said that to a friend who's a Steelers fan. They'll go nowhere if he doesn't do what you said he'd do.

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

That's speculative, IMHO, since Tomlin and Cowher have the same record and are basically, in terms of wins and losses, the same coach.

At least KPowers is being reasonable and objective. Some Steelers fans have this crazy idea that

the Steelers would have won 5 more Super Bowls with Cowher and Ben. None of them take into

account they still would have to go through New England and Baltimore. Also not all of the players

Tomlin won the Super Bowl with were Cowher's players. Lamarr Woodley neither Lawrence Timmons were Cowher players and both were main cogs on the Steelers defense when they won the their last Super Bowl. Although James Harrison made the team after being cut 3 times while Cowher was coach he didn't flourish until he became a starter under Tomlin in 2007 making the Pro Bowl.

Never said Batman wasn't being reasonable. I still like PIT and have followed them carefully since I was a young kid, so I agree with a lot of what you're saying, especially when it comes to Steeler fans' extreme views on What Cowher Would Have Done(TM). James Harrison arguably made the greatest Steeler play in a SB ever, and that's saying a LOT.

We agree on PIT's personnel prowess when it comes to LBs. After Lambert retired, they kept it pushing with Merriwether, and they've brought in a steady stream of Pro Bowlers at LB for decades.

namepeace said:

kpowers said:

That was Cowhers team that won for Tomlin. That was Jimmy Johnson's team that won for Barry Switzer. Though Tomlin and Switzer will get the credit for it. For the record I think Tomlin is a good coach, however at this point Tomlin needs to address his QB situation or the Steelers will be basicaly stuck in neutral. Rothlisberger also needs to man up. Don't get offended if they draft a QB like he did when they drafted Rudolph. Ben needs to make things easier on Tomlin as well, if Ben starts sucking big time he should self bench himself and don't put Tomlin in that position.

Switzer won his SB the very next season after Jimmy left.

Tomlin won his SB a full 3 seasons after Cowher retired.

Cowher didn't have the level of personnel control Jimmy Johnson had in DAL. A lot if not most of the credit goes to the PIT FO for building that team.

But I agree with you on Ben, as I said that to a friend who's a Steelers fan. They'll go nowhere if he doesn't do what you said he'd do.

Nope, it was 2 seasons

kpowers said:

namepeace said:

Switzer won his SB the very next season after Jimmy left.

Tomlin won his SB a full 3 seasons after Cowher retired.

Cowher didn't have the level of personnel control Jimmy Johnson had in DAL. A lot if not most of the credit goes to the PIT FO for building that team.

But I agree with you on Ben, as I said that to a friend who's a Steelers fan. They'll go nowhere if he doesn't do what you said he'd do.

Nope, it was 2 seasons

Oh yeah, that's right. I stand corrected. But 2 seasons is even more distance than Barry had from Jimmy, who unlike Cowher, served as de facto GM for his club.

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namepeace said:

kpowers said:

Nope, it was 2 seasons

Oh yeah, that's right. I stand corrected. But 2 seasons is even more distance than Barry had from Jimmy, who unlike Cowher, served as de facto GM for his club.

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Overall it is STILL basicaly Cowhers team. Yes they drafted players and added players but still most of the roster players/coaches was Cowhers team. Even 2Freaky4church could have won a Superbowl as a 2nd year coach.

nayroo2002 said:

Since Antonio Clown is with them now I can't root for them.

He's been all "disney-like" since he moved in with the Bradys!

I don't even mind the "Gronk", either!

But, Evans, Godwin, Brate, Jones II, Fournette and Miller are all still TOP OFFENSE!!!

Gotta admit that is one cool flag. No wimpy terrible towel there.

kpowers said:

namepeace said:

Oh yeah, that's right. I stand corrected. But 2 seasons is even more distance than Barry had from Jimmy, who unlike Cowher, served as de facto GM for his club.

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Overall it is STILL basicaly Cowhers team. Yes they drafted players and added players but still most of the roster players/coaches was Cowhers team. Even 2Freaky4church could have won a Superbowl as a 2nd year coach.

Dunno about that. You raise good points about Cowher but let me offer some other thoughts.

Cowher's last season was 2006, right? They were 8-8 that year. Not like he went out on top.

Tomlin took over in 2007, right? He was 10-5 and went to a Wild Card. He won the Super Bowl the next year, for the 2008 season.

I do think it's reasonable to presume that Cowher could have won a 2nd Lombardi. It's reasonable to presume he may have gotten them to another one after that. But I doubt he'd have made more than 2 more SB appearances given where the Pats, Ravens, Broncos and other AFC teams were at that time.

We're splitting hairs, I know. Cowher got to 2 SBs, was competitve against the Dallas Dynasty in the 1st one, won the second one, and went to numerous AFC title games. There's no doubt he left the Steelers better than when he found them. For that he earned his HOF stripes.

I just think Tomlin has checked off many of the same boxes as Cowher, but somehow gets dumped on by the same fans (present company excluded) that love Cowher, forgetting his valleys (which included losing seasons, playoff disappointments and questionable staff hires) and choosing to remember only his peaks. Tomli

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namepeace said:

We're splitting hairs, I know. Cowher got to 2 SBs, was competitve against the Dallas Dynasty in the 1st one, won the second one, and went to numerous AFC title games. There's no doubt he left the Steelers better than when he found them. For that he earned his HOF stripes.

That second SB was a gift from the refs.

Jets hired Robert Saleh as their new head coach.

Fun fact, Andy Reid has never lost to the Browns in his entire career as a head coach. Let’s hope to keep that streak alive!

PennyPurple said:

Fun fact, Andy Reid has never lost to the Browns in his entire career as a head coach. Let’s hope to keep that streak alive!

Your definition of fun is way different than mine.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

We're splitting hairs, I know. Cowher got to 2 SBs, was competitve against the Dallas Dynasty in the 1st one, won the second one, and went to numerous AFC title games. There's no doubt he left the Steelers better than when he found them. For that he earned his HOF stripes.

That second SB was a gift from the refs.

Jets hired Robert Saleh as their new head coach.

namepeace said:

kpowers said:

Overall it is STILL basicaly Cowhers team. Yes they drafted players and added players but still most of the roster players/coaches was Cowhers team. Even 2Freaky4church could have won a Superbowl as a 2nd year coach.

I do think it's reasonable to presume that Cowher could have won a 2nd Lombardi. It's reasonable to presume he may have gotten them to another one after that. But I doubt he'd have made more than 2 more SB appearances given where the Pats, Ravens, Broncos and other AFC teams were at that time.

That's what I said in reply 65. Interesting how the playoffs in the AFC went during this time. Steelers beat the Ravens, Ravens beat the Patriots, Patriots beat the Steelers. Then you also have to consider Peyton Maninng with the Colts/Broncos

kpowers said:

PennyPurple said:

Fun fact, Andy Reid has never lost to the Browns in his entire career as a head coach. Let’s hope to keep that streak alive!

Your definition of fun is way different than mine.

So who are you picking?

PennyPurple said:

kpowers said:

Your definition of fun is way different than mine.

So who are you picking?

Chiefs

Packers over Rams

Bills over Ravens

Chiefs over Browns

Saints over Buccaneers

kpowers said:

PennyPurple said:

So who are you picking?

Chiefs

Me too.

PennyPurple said:

kpowers said:

Chiefs

Me too.

I thought you might pick the Chiefs but root for the Browns

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phunkdaddy said:

kpowers said:

Steelers part ways with OC Randy Fichtner, two more assistants

Fichtner's contract was set to expire at the start of the new league year, and the club will not renew a deal for its offensive coordinator.

Fichtner joined the Steelers in 2007, coach Mike Tomlin's first year with the club.

The Steelers later confirmed the news, adding offensive line coach Shaun Sarrett and defensive backs coach Tom Bradley will also not have their contracts renewed.

Christmas came early for Steelers fans. Addition by subtraction. Fichtner was awful as an OC.

The Steelers need an infusion of youth and talent on the offensive line. Kevin Dotson should be

a starter next year at guard. Word is that Pouncey is gonna retire.

I hope they don't hire within.