namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Jerry West.....1-8 Finals record

Dr. J.............1-3 Finals record

Wilt Chamberlain.....2-4 Finals record

Wes Unseld.....1-3 Finals record

Bob Petit.........1-3 Finals record

They all must be overrated too.

No one is making excuses for Lebron. I just don't have a bias against him like you do. Otherwise, you'd be hammering Kevin Durant for "championship-hopping".

Bias? Ring chasing, King Flopper, Crying Lebron, fake BROKEN hand Lebron...............what bias?

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Who's a bigger ring chaser than Kevin "If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em" Durant?

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:

Bias? Ring chasing, King Flopper, Crying Lebron, fake BROKEN hand Lebron...............what bias?

[Edited 6/15/18 9:13am]

Who's a bigger ring chaser than Kevin "If You Can't Beat 'Em, Join 'Em" Durant?

Lebron James...........looking 2 move once again.

His kid is enrolled in the same school as Pippens son....in L.A.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

People who want to be fair to James.

I am fair: 3-6

So that makes every player with a better Finals record better than LeBron.

Come on, man, let go of the hate!

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said: I am fair: 3-6

So that makes every player with a better Finals record better than LeBron.

Come on, man, let go of the hate!

That doesnt make anything other than him being 3-6.

Comparing that nonsense to Jordan at 6-0 in silly and just plain dumb.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

So that makes every player with a better Finals record better than LeBron.

Come on, man, let go of the hate!

That doesnt make anything other than him being 3-6.

Comparing that nonsense to Jordan at 6-0 in silly and just plain dumb.

Did I miss something? Did anyone here compare James's record to Jordan's record? If so, I didn't see it.

In other news, Kawhi Leonard says he wants the Spurs to trade him. I think that's a GIANT red flag. If you can't play for Pop and the Spurs, who can you play for?

RodeoSchro said:

Graycap23 said:

That doesnt make anything other than him being 3-6.

Comparing that nonsense to Jordan at 6-0 in silly and just plain dumb.

Did I miss something? Did anyone here compare James's record to Jordan's record? If so, I didn't see it.

Anyone with knowlegde of basketball doesn't compare Lebron James to Michael Jordan......different positions, different roles, different overall games. The dude you compare to Jordan is Kobe, because their roles were similar (scoring assassiin/closers). I've always felt Lebron is a hybrid of Magic & Oscar, only much bigger.

uPtoWnNY said:

RodeoSchro said:

Did I miss something? Did anyone here compare James's record to Jordan's record? If so, I didn't see it.

Anyone with knowlegde of basketball doesn't compare Lebron James to Michael Jordan......different positions, different roles, different overall games. The dude you compare to Jordan is Kobe, because their roles were similar (scoring assassiin/closers). I've always felt Lebron is a hybrid of Magic & Oscar, only much bigger.

Lol.........I agree but take a listen to ESPN, FOX and any other sports related media and see what they talk about 24 hours a day.

Durant historically isn't on Lebron's level, he's not getting mentioned in the same convo with Jordan, Jabbar, Magic etc....... That's why him "Championship Chasing" won't get the same level of hate that Lebron's will.

Graycap23 said:

Lol.........I agree but take a listen to ESPN, FOX and any other sports related media and see what they talk about 24 hours a day.

Yup, 24/7!

RodeoSchro said:

In other news, Kawhi Leonard says he wants the Spurs to trade him. I think that's a GIANT red flag. If you can't play for Pop and the Spurs, who can you play for?

I like Kawhi but he's too injury prone IMO, if I was the Spurs I'd make the highest bidder give up at least two first round picks

Abdul said:

RodeoSchro said:

In other news, Kawhi Leonard says he wants the Spurs to trade him. I think that's a GIANT red flag. If you can't play for Pop and the Spurs, who can you play for?

I like Kawhi but he's too injury prone IMO, if I was the Spurs I'd make the highest bidder give up at least two first round picks

Shit ain't no team willing to do such but maybe Boston.

Abdul said:

Durant historically isn't on Lebron's level, he's not getting mentioned in the same convo with Jordan, Jabbar, Magic etc....... That's why him "Championship Chasing" won't get the same level of hate that Lebron's will.

If the object is to win championships, and you can go to a team that can win a championship, for anyone to criticize that is asinine. No one who has ever played a sport for keeps would ever call someone a "ring chaser" in a derisive manner.

RodeoSchro said:

Abdul said:

Durant historically isn't on Lebron's level, he's not getting mentioned in the same convo with Jordan, Jabbar, Magic etc....... That's why him "Championship Chasing" won't get the same level of hate that Lebron's will.

If the object is to win championships, and you can go to a team that can win a championship, for anyone to criticize that is asinine. No one who has ever played a sport for keeps would ever call someone a "ring chaser" in a derisive manner.

He could have a won a championship in OKC...they had the talent to beat Golden State, but Durant took the easy way out. And remember, when Lebron went to Miami, Durant criticised him for ring-chasing. That's why he gets flamed - not here, but at other sites I go to.

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uPtoWnNY said:

RodeoSchro said:

If the object is to win championships, and you can go to a team that can win a championship, for anyone to criticize that is asinine. No one who has ever played a sport for keeps would ever call someone a "ring chaser" in a derisive manner.

He could have a won a championship in OKC...they had the talent to beat Golden State, but Durant took the easy way out. And remember, when Lebron went to Miami, Durant criticised him for ring-chasing. That's why he gets flamed - not here, but at other sites I go to.

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Fair point. If Durant criticized James for that, then he gets the same treatment.

RodeoSchro said:

uPtoWnNY said:

He could have a won a championship in OKC...they had the talent to beat Golden State, but Durant took the easy way out. And remember, when Lebron went to Miami, Durant criticised him for ring-chasing. That's why he gets flamed - not here, but at other sites I go to.

[Edited 6/16/18 18:52pm]

Fair point. If Durant criticized James for that, then he gets the same treatment.

"Now everybody wanna play for the Heat and the Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!"

Durant posted that less than a week after Lebron signed with Miami. Now he claims it wasn't meant to be shot against James.....lol.

uPtoWnNY said:

RodeoSchro said:

Fair point. If Durant criticized James for that, then he gets the same treatment.

"Now everybody wanna play for the Heat and the Lakers? Let's go back to being competitive and going at these peoples!"

Durant posted that less than a week after Lebron signed with Miami. Now he claims it wasn't meant to be shot against James.....lol.

I wonder if those who call James a "ring chaser" now called him a "ring chaser" when, afer his Heat contract expired and he could have gone anywhere he wanted, decided to go to a crummy Cleveland team and bring them an NBA championship.

Isn't that the exact opposite of a "ring chaser"?

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Anyone with knowlegde of basketball doesn't compare Lebron James to Michael Jordan......different positions, different roles, different overall games. The dude you compare to Jordan is Kobe, because their roles were similar (scoring assassiin/closers). I've always felt Lebron is a hybrid of Magic & Oscar, only much bigger.

I think a better comparison would be Lebron and Kobe because because both went into the NBA out of high school.

Lol.........I agree but take a listen to ESPN, FOX and any other sports related media and see what they talk about 24 hours a day.

Yuuup especially on shows like Get Up, The Jump and Jalen & Jacoby on ESPN

Graycap23 said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Anyone with knowlegde of basketball doesn't compare Lebron James to Michael Jordan......different positions, different roles, different overall games. The dude you compare to Jordan is Kobe, because their roles were similar (scoring assassiin/closers). I've always felt Lebron is a hybrid of Magic & Oscar, only much bigger.

Lol.........I agree but take a listen to ESPN, FOX and any other sports related media and see what they talk about 24 hours a day.

There's a difference between comparing the two and ranking the two. It's fair to debate where they rank in terms of greatest NBA players. That's the only reason players of different molds are in the same conversation, because you're looking at greatest players regardless of position.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

Lol.........I agree but take a listen to ESPN, FOX and any other sports related media and see what they talk about 24 hours a day.

There's a difference between comparing the two and ranking the two. It's fair to debate where they rank in terms of greatest NBA players. That's the only reason players of different molds are in the same conversation, because you're looking at greatest players regardless of position.

They are comparing and ranking..........It is plain silly.

Jordan is one in every way possible.......and Lebron isn't number 2.

Graycap23 said:

namepeace said:

There's a difference between comparing the two and ranking the two. It's fair to debate where they rank in terms of greatest NBA players. That's the only reason players of different molds are in the same conversation, because you're looking at greatest players regardless of position.

They are comparing and ranking..........It is plain silly.

Jordan is one in every way possible.......and Lebron isn't number 2.

I don't think even for LBJ's biggest fans they can lay legitimate claim to 1. That crown stays with MJ.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

They are comparing and ranking..........It is plain silly.

Jordan is one in every way possible.......and Lebron isn't number 2.

I don't think even for LBJ's biggest fans they can lay legitimate claim to 1. That crown stays with MJ.

Jordan would be in my top 5 (1b), Lebron in my second 5.

Kawhi Wants OUT;

Kawhi Leonard Trade Rumor...estination

[Edited 6/18/18 15:19pm]

I'm actually sick of all the damn rumors about LeBron, Kawai, and Paul George.

Not holding my breath for any of them coming to Philly and I damn sure wouldn't mortgage

the future for Kawai. I'm good with the Sixers building through the draft and signing a

second tier free agent.

phunkdaddy said:

I'm actually sick of all the damn rumors about LeBron, Kawai, and Paul George.

Not holding my breath for any of them coming to Philly and I damn sure wouldn't mortgage

the future for Kawai. I'm good with the Sixers building through the draft and signing a

second tier free agent.

They need experience more than anything.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

I don't think even for LBJ's biggest fans they can lay legitimate claim to 1. That crown stays with MJ.

Jordan would be in my top 5 (1b), Lebron in my second 5.

Kawhi Wants OUT;

Kawhi Leonard Trade Rumor...estination

[Edited 6/18/18 15:19pm]

I guess my personal list is so fluid because I want to account for 21st century players and re-evaluate my biases on the top 5. Honestly, Jordan and Kareem are at the top, with Magic around 2b or 3.

I think LeBron's in my 5 because I could name nearly a dozen players with a legit case for 3-10 and I can't say LeBron takes a back seat to any of them.

Kawhi-to-Lakers is a not gonna happen. It would kill Pop to send him there. Maybe BOS makes a play for him and rolls the dice.

[Edited 6/19/18 8:58am]

Graycap23 said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm actually sick of all the damn rumors about LeBron, Kawai, and Paul George.

Not holding my breath for any of them coming to Philly and I damn sure wouldn't mortgage

the future for Kawai. I'm good with the Sixers building through the draft and signing a

second tier free agent.

They need experience more than anything.

If Ben Simmons can develop an outside shot, they won't need much more help.

Just imagine if they'd drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

namepeace said:

Graycap23 said:

They need experience more than anything.

If Ben Simmons can develop an outside shot, they won't need much more help.

Just imagine if they'd drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Shaq was saying Embiid needs to get in the paint more. He also needs to work on his endurance.

If the two stars become superstars (unlike the two softies in Toronto), Sixers need a free agent to be that third option, like phunkdaddy said. And keep improving the bench......follow the Warriors example.

uPtoWnNY said:

namepeace said:

If Ben Simmons can develop an outside shot, they won't need much more help.

Just imagine if they'd drafted Tatum instead of Fultz.

Shaq was saying Embiid needs to get in the paint more. He also needs to work on his endurance.

If the two stars become superstars (unlike the two softies in Toronto), Sixers need a free agent to be that third option, like phunkdaddy said. And keep improving the bench......follow the Warriors example.

These new bigs aren't built like that, Even with the influx of talented bigs coming in as rookies this year, and a deep crop of young bigs in the league now, the 3-ball is valued most.

As it stands, PHI needs a "3-and-D" 3rd option. As you said, they need to find value at the tail end of the draft, like GSW has.

Hornets traded Dwight Howard to the Nets for Timofey Mozgov and picks. Damn....how far has Howard's career fallen?