the One Percenters v. the other 99% of us - 20th century pyramid builders.

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that's what i *should* have said. Lianachan i apologize for being so fracking crude earlier. i apologize for letting fly at you and failing to edit. i was an ass

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i understand that you find my approach here sloppy and admit that at times i rush and don't proofread carefully when i'm interested in a subject and am corresponding in real time.

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you were right, i did misspeak the source.

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i'm sorry for being so freaking crude and rude.

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your insights are a strong contribution to this thread

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XxAxX said:

Lianachan said:

Did you read the link you posted? The first section ends by saying:

The gathering would have been the first to bring together principals on the alternative side in a debate with academic scholars critical of their work. Unfortunately, the events of September 11, 2001, forced cancellation of the conference, which was not rescheduled.

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dude, [I don't like] your obsessive, nit-picky narrow minded ignorant [stuff].

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the evidence is presented at the link, which links to other bits. the point i made in my response to GRAYCAP (which you overlook as usual) is the presentation of differing theories by well-respected scientists.

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please, could you [not waste our time]? you appear to be determined to convince everyone else here to see things your way.

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i know we are supposed to criticize ideas not people, but you really do seem a bit [tired] to me.

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i say this because i already told you above i dislike interacting with you. this is still true. the fact that you continue to try to FORCE me to interact with you, after my prior request, is twisted.

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here is another excellent source of information about early human civilizations, lost cultures and newly discovered early building sites.

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Civilization Lost - https://www.youtube.com/w...tmhB2ZwqJs

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this documentary takes us to various ancient sites, addresses the similarities between different cultures' flood mythologies, and speaks to the possibility that there may have been human civilizations around the time of gobekli tepe which were subsequently wiped out by natural disaster, likely a flood caused by earthquake tsunami, meteor impact, or other.

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i like this show because it does not insist on supporting one theory or another, and does not hesitate to say 'we don't know yet'. it explores possibilities with an open mind.

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XxAxX said:

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that's what i *should* have said. Lianachan i apologize for being so fracking crude earlier. i apologize for letting fly at you and failing to edit. i was an ass

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i understand that you find my approach here sloppy and admit that at times i rush and don't proofread carefully when i'm interested in a subject and am corresponding in real time.

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you were right, i did misspeak the source.

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i'm sorry for being so freaking crude and rude.

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your insights are a strong contribution to this thread

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XxAxX said:

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dude, [I don't like] your obsessive, nit-picky narrow minded ignorant [stuff].

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the evidence is presented at the link, which links to other bits. the point i made in my response to GRAYCAP (which you overlook as usual) is the presentation of differing theories by well-respected scientists.

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please, could you [not waste our time]? you appear to be determined to convince everyone else here to see things your way.

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i know we are supposed to criticize ideas not people, but you really do seem a bit [tired] to me.

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i say this because i already told you above i dislike interacting with you. this is still true. the fact that you continue to try to FORCE me to interact with you, after my prior request, is twisted.

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[Edits by RenHoek ~ Mod Extraordinaire]

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Nicely said...

i'm sorry i broke the rules. i have a great deal of respect for hard working mods who have to step in and spend time on other folks' messes. sincere apologies.

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Pre-Noseless Depictions of the Great Sphinx

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

pre noseless sphinx as depicted by artist Vivant Denon (1798)

Vivant Denon

drew this image of the Sphinx of Giza around 1798, prior to its defacement.

This image and written account (a part of the collection) is from the 1803 issue of Universal Magazine. From that same magazine, here is the written account in Denon's own words,

"...Though its proportions are colossal, the outline is pure and graceful; the expression of the head is mild, gracious, and tranquil; the character is African, but the mouth, and lips of which are thick, has a softness and delicacy of execution truly admirable; it seems real life and flesh.

then this (well respected) nobleman had this to say about his find at his first view of "the great sphinx.

French Traveller Constantine de Volney, in Egypt (1783-85)

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

(De Volney was a French nobleman who was much troubled by the institution of slavery. His expressed opinion that the ancient Egyptians were black Africans much departed from the typical European view of the late eighteenth century, but it gave many people cause for reflection.)

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their �mulatto' appearance)

(It's features) were those of the negro.. (the Egyptians therefore must have been) real negroes, of the same species of the natives of Africa.

...How are we astonished when we reflect that to the race of negroes, at present our slaves, and the objects of our extreme contempt, we owe our arts, sciences, and even the very use of speech; and when we recollect that in the midst of those nations who call themselves the friends of liberty and humanity, the most barbarous of slaveries is justified, and that it is even a problem whether the understanding of negroes be of the same species with that of white men!"

In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original colour but retained the impress of its original mould."

i always wondered (long before this) why so many of the early egyptian artifacts had noses defaced and totally removed.

so according to two french travelers of the time (circa late 17th century) the original facial features were "negroid."

side bare: egyptian artifacts noses removed

finally --------> : https://www.google.com/se...ddtkI_M%3A

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note: i keyed in, egyptian artifacts noses removed

this is the stuff they do not teach in high school or jr college history. i wonder why

anyway, some folk worked very dilligently to make sure they erased any proof of thriving afrikoid civilizations.

free2bfreeda said:

this is the stuff they do not teach in high school or jr college history. i wonder why

anyway, some folk worked very dilligently to make sure they erased any proof of thriving afrikoid civilizations.

What makes you think that's why there are damaged noses on some Egyptian statues? Also, did you try a search for ancient Egyptian statues/other art with intact noses?

A great new Joe Rogan podcast with both Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

They address amongst others the Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe and so much more.

Link

free2bfreeda said:

Pre-Noseless Depictions of the Great Sphinx

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

pre noseless sphinx as depicted by artist Vivant Denon (1798)

Vivant Denon

drew this image of the Sphinx of Giza around 1798, prior to its defacement.

This image and written account (a part of the collection) is from the 1803 issue of Universal Magazine. From that same magazine, here is the written account in Denon's own words,

"...Though its proportions are colossal, the outline is pure and graceful; the expression of the head is mild, gracious, and tranquil; the character is African, but the mouth, and lips of which are thick, has a softness and delicacy of execution truly admirable; it seems real life and flesh.

Vivant Denon

Writer

Dominique Vivant, Baron Denon was a French artist, writer, diplomat, author, and archaeologist. He was appointed as the first Director of the Louvre museum by Napoleon after the Egyptian campaign of ...Wikipedia

then this (well respected) nobleman had this to say about his find at his first view of "the great sphinx.

French Traveller Constantine de Volney, in Egypt (1783-85)

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

(De Volney was a French nobleman who was much troubled by the institution of slavery. His expressed opinion that the ancient Egyptians were black Africans much departed from the typical European view of the late eighteenth century, but it gave many people cause for reflection.)

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their �mulatto' appearance)

(It's features) were those of the negro.. (the Egyptians therefore must have been) real negroes, of the same species of the natives of Africa.

...How are we astonished when we reflect that to the race of negroes, at present our slaves, and the objects of our extreme contempt, we owe our arts, sciences, and even the very use of speech; and when we recollect that in the midst of those nations who call themselves the friends of liberty and humanity, the most barbarous of slaveries is justified, and that it is even a problem whether the understanding of negroes be of the same species with that of white men!"

In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original colour but retained the impress of its original mould."

i always wondered (long before this) why so many of the early egyptian artifacts had noses defaced and totally removed.

so according to two french travelers of the time (circa late 17th century) the original facial features were "negroid."

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that's cool. i've never seen that picture.

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i watched a documentary that claimed people actually thought they could prevent the pharoah from attaining the afterlife by whacking the nose off his statues. apparently, the statue is a magical embodiment of the pharoah on earth and knocking off his nose removed his power. so, a lot of time when we find artifacts without noses this is why

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seems a little silly eh? then again, look what daesh are doing today, defacing antiquities. same thing? kind of

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ZahndiFadzhina said:

A great new Joe Rogan podcast with both Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

They address amongst others the Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe and so much more.

Link

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thanks for the link! those guys are interesting.

ZahndiFadzhina said:

A great new Joe Rogan podcast with both Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

They address amongst others the Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe and so much more.

Link

I have no idea who Joe Rogan is, but Hancock and Carlson are well known woo-merchants.

Lianachan said:

ZahndiFadzhina said:

A great new Joe Rogan podcast with both Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

They address amongst others the Sphinx, Gobekli Tepe and so much more.

Link

I have no idea who Joe Rogan is, but Hancock and Carlson are well known woo-merchants.

Is that how you name people who question and challenge the established theories/hypothesis?

ZahndiFadzhina said:

Lianachan said:

I have no idea who Joe Rogan is, but Hancock and Carlson are well known woo-merchants.

Is that how you name people who question and challenge the established theories/hypothesis?

No - I have a lot of time for people who challenge established theories. Not, though, for people who consistently fail to prove their assertions and who make a good living from appearances, books and DVDs on the back of it. They have no intention of being taken seriously, and many of them don't even believe it themselves. Or, at least, you have to assume the ones that have been caught falsifying "evidence" know they're talking shite.

Lianachan said:

ZahndiFadzhina said:

Is that how you name people who question and challenge the established theories/hypothesis?

No - I have a lot of time for people who challenge established theories. Not, though, for people who consistently fail to prove their assertions and who make a good living from appearances, books and DVDs on the back of it. They have no intention of being taken seriously, and many of them don't even believe it themselves. Or, at least, you have to assume the ones that have been caught falsifying "evidence" know they're talking shite.

So what have they falsified according to you?

XxAxX said:

free2bfreeda said:

Pre-Noseless Depictions of the Great Sphinx

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

pre noseless sphinx as depicted by artist Vivant Denon (1798)

Vivant Denon

drew this image of the Sphinx of Giza around 1798, prior to its defacement.

This image and written account (a part of the collection) is from the 1803 issue of Universal Magazine. From that same magazine, here is the written account in Denon's own words,

"...Though its proportions are colossal, the outline is pure and graceful; the expression of the head is mild, gracious, and tranquil; the character is African, but the mouth, and lips of which are thick, has a softness and delicacy of execution truly admirable; it seems real life and flesh.

Vivant Denon

Writer

Dominique Vivant, Baron Denon was a French artist, writer, diplomat, author, and archaeologist. He was appointed as the first Director of the Louvre museum by Napoleon after the Egyptian campaign of ...Wikipedia

then this (well respected) nobleman had this to say about his find at his first view of "the great sphinx.

French Traveller Constantine de Volney, in Egypt (1783-85)

: http://s8int.com/phile/page51.html

(De Volney was a French nobleman who was much troubled by the institution of slavery. His expressed opinion that the ancient Egyptians were black Africans much departed from the typical European view of the late eighteenth century, but it gave many people cause for reflection.)

"When I visited the Sphinx, I could not help thinking that the figure of that monster furnished the true solution to the enigma (of how the modern Egyptians came to have their �mulatto' appearance)

(It's features) were those of the negro.. (the Egyptians therefore must have been) real negroes, of the same species of the natives of Africa.

...How are we astonished when we reflect that to the race of negroes, at present our slaves, and the objects of our extreme contempt, we owe our arts, sciences, and even the very use of speech; and when we recollect that in the midst of those nations who call themselves the friends of liberty and humanity, the most barbarous of slaveries is justified, and that it is even a problem whether the understanding of negroes be of the same species with that of white men!"

In other words the ancient Egyptians were true Negroes of the same stock as all the autochthonous peoples of Africa and from the datum one sees how their race, after some centuries of mixing with the blood of Romans and Greeks, must have lost the full blackness of its original colour but retained the impress of its original mould."

i always wondered (long before this) why so many of the early egyptian artifacts had noses defaced and totally removed.

so according to two french travelers of the time (circa late 17th century) the original facial features were "negroid."

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that's cool. i've never seen that picture.

.

i watched a documentary that claimed people actually thought they could prevent the pharoah from attaining the afterlife by whacking the nose off his statues. apparently, the statue is a magical embodiment of the pharoah on earth and knocking off his nose removed his power. so, a lot of time when we find artifacts without noses this is why

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seems a little silly eh? then again, look what daesh are doing today, defacing antiquities. same thing? kind of

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sad part is the many of today's people are so unaware of the historical truths. seems keeping folk programmed to look up to the master eduacators as true and factual historians. not a pack of liars.

and yes your right about current destruction and looting of valuable historical sites.

some folk are determined to find out the factual truths.

^i'm watching the link Zahndi posted and really enjoying the material. the participants make direct reference to some of the points we've been discussing here, especially with respect to how difficult it is to change the minds of mainstream historians when new evidence is discovered.

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really worth a watch!

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XxAxX said:

^i'm watching the link Zahndi posted and really enjoying the material. the participants make direct reference to some of the points we've been discussing here, especially with respect to how difficult it is to change the minds of mainstream historians when new evidence is discovered.

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really worth a watch!

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I love this kind of stuff...................I hope I'm alive when the gaps on some this information is finally revealed.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

^i'm watching the link Zahndi posted and really enjoying the material. the participants make direct reference to some of the points we've been discussing here, especially with respect to how difficult it is to change the minds of mainstream historians when new evidence is discovered.

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really worth a watch!

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I love this kind of stuff...................I hope I'm alive when the gaps on some this information is finally revealed.

These people are charlatans. If they were serious, they'd be presenting any evidence properly - not via you tube videos and suchlike. They know their evidence isn't actually evidence at all - that's why they do it that way. They can be safely ignored, until they demonstrate that they wish to be taken seriously.

Lianachan said:

Graycap23 said:

I love this kind of stuff...................I hope I'm alive when the gaps on some this information is finally revealed.

These people are charlatans. If they were serious, they'd be presenting any evidence properly - not via you tube videos and suchlike. They know their evidence isn't actually evidence at all - that's why they do it that way. They can be safely ignored, until they demonstrate that they wish to be taken seriously.

Like I've stated before, I believe that there is a great deal of information that modern man simply doesn't have. Example; Do we even understand how they built the Pyramids? That is fairly straight forward engineering.

Graycap23 said:

Lianachan said:

These people are charlatans. If they were serious, they'd be presenting any evidence properly - not via you tube videos and suchlike. They know their evidence isn't actually evidence at all - that's why they do it that way. They can be safely ignored, until they demonstrate that they wish to be taken seriously.

Like I've stated before, I believe that there is a great deal of information that modern man simply doesn't have. Example; Do we even understand how they built the Pyramids? That is fairly straight forward engineering.

Indeed there is a great deal we don't know - that's why we look! Regarding your example - if it's straight forward engineering, why would there be doubt about how they were built? In any case, in relation to the credibility of Hancock et al, that's irrelevant.

Lianachan said:

Graycap23 said:

Like I've stated before, I believe that there is a great deal of information that modern man simply doesn't have. Example; Do we even understand how they built the Pyramids? That is fairly straight forward engineering.

Indeed there is a great deal we don't know - that's why we look! Regarding your example - if it's straight forward engineering, why would there be doubt about how they were built? In any case, in relation to the credibility of Hancock et al, that's irrelevant.

Never mind................have a good day.

Graycap23 said:

XxAxX said:

^i'm watching the link Zahndi posted and really enjoying the material. the participants make direct reference to some of the points we've been discussing here, especially with respect to how difficult it is to change the minds of mainstream historians when new evidence is discovered.

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really worth a watch!

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I love this kind of stuff...................I hope I'm alive when the gaps on some this information is finally revealed.

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me too! it would be really cool to crowd fund some exploration and expeditions. after watching this show for sure i will be buying Graham Hancock's new book. also, checking out Joe Rogan's other podcasts with both Graham Hancock and Randall Carlson.

Graycap23 said:

Lianachan said:

These people are charlatans. If they were serious, they'd be presenting any evidence properly - not via you tube videos and suchlike. They know their evidence isn't actually evidence at all - that's why they do it that way. They can be safely ignored, until they demonstrate that they wish to be taken seriously.

Like I've stated before, I believe that there is a great deal of information that modern man simply doesn't have. Example; Do we even understand how they built the Pyramids? That is fairly straight forward engineering.

My personal readings I will go off of Thiaoouba Prophecy since that theory has not been tested. Supposedly the Great Pyramid was a scaled down version of the destroyed pyramid from Savanasa (MU) built by Thoth as well. The Great Pyramid was structured for a place of worship and prayer. One that civilization was ended, the latter anchient egyptians used it as a burial place for their king etc.

There is much talk about Thoth in Egyptian and even Greek text.

Interview with Graham Hancock on thelip.tv

They discuss Gunung Padang and Gobekli Tepe amongst others.

ZahndiFadzhina said:

Interview with Graham Hancock on thelip.tv

They discuss Gunung Padang and Gobekli Tepe amongst others.

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nice. thanks for the link. mr. hancock is an excellent source. as he points out, mainstream archeologists and historians have no hypothesis whatsoever that addresses the possibility that humanity was civilized before sumeria, and yet we are now finding the ruins of civilizations that predate those cultures by thousands of years.

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and it's clear that with the discovery of places like gobekli tepe and gunung padang our views of history will have to radically change, but i think this can only be for the best.

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i'm one of those who believe that atlantis existed; why would plato have any reason to lie about what he heard? why would anyone lie about what plato recounted?? how can he be respected for everything else he wrote, but not that?

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anyway, i'm fascinated by the time period of 15,000 BC. i think there were well-developed civilizations here on earth but they were wiped out by some type of event. unfortunately, this planet is violently unstable and has always gone through severe warming/cooling trends, either naturally or through volcanic events so it could have been something like whatever flash-froze the siberian mammoth they found frozen in mid-bite.

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if there is some other type of recurring cyclical event that dogs humanity like every 26,000 or 12,000 years earth orbits through a debris field and gets smacked by comets with resulting killer tsunamis that would be nice to have a heads up about too. i'd just really like to know what we're missing....

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excerpted from: http://grahamhancock.com/...t-hancock/

Stop Press - Latest News From The Excavations At Gunung Padang, The Mysterious Ancient Pyramid In Indonesia That Is Rewriting History

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Lianachan said:

free2bfreeda said:

this is the stuff they do not teach in high school or jr college history. i wonder why

anyway, some folk worked very dilligently to make sure they erased any proof of thriving afrikoid civilizations.

What makes you think that's why there are damaged noses on some Egyptian statues?

I can't even take this as a serious question.