SUPRMAN said:

I am interested in discussing boundaries. What should they be?

If I am not speaking to you and say, wearing shades . . . is that permitted?

Is a compliment, with nothing more, allowed?

How does a guy looking at you make you feel intimidated and preyed upon? As a guy that's hard to conceptualize unless there's anger or something involved (criminal actrivity).

It's so hard to define these boundaries. I can't describe it. It's just something you know when looked upon.

Clear boundaries for me are men peeking at you. Making a sneaky picture. Keep talking after I said, I have no interest in you. Actually having to explain myself why I don't want to tallk to you

I think that a discussion about what boundaries everybody has for oneself could be fruitful.

What are your boundaries?

dJJ said:

SUPRMAN said:

They sure are free to look at her as long as she is in public.

If you don't want to be looked at, put on a burqa already.

But you can't tell me that I can't look at you in public because you don't like it.

That's exactly the issue.

The op has mixed feelings about his reaction on young girls.

There is a slut parade going on in Europe, US and Canada by women conveying to men they want to be able to dress as they like, not having to adapt their lives to male instincts.

Or should women just wear burkas and be save from men?

Women are free to dress as they choose. Isn't the problem a minority, not a majority of men?

Women who wear burqas are raped also.

dJJ said:

SUPRMAN said:

I am interested in discussing boundaries. What should they be?

If I am not speaking to you and say, wearing shades . . . is that permitted?

Is a compliment, with nothing more, allowed?

How does a guy looking at you make you feel intimidated and preyed upon? As a guy that's hard to conceptualize unless there's anger or something involved (criminal actrivity).

It's so hard to define these boundaries. I can't describe it. It's just something you know when looked upon.

Clear boundaries for me are men peeking at you. Making a sneaky picture. Keep talking after I said, I have no interest in you. Actually having to explain myself why I don't want to tallk to you

I think that a discussion about what boundaries everybody has for oneself could be fruitful.

What are your boundaries?

People looking at me, may make me uncomfortable but not really to the point where it's going to interrupt my day.

I have pretty low boundaries. Don't impede my movement. Touching is situational, as is conversation.

dJJ said:

SUPRMAN said:

They sure are free to look at her as long as she is in public.

If you don't want to be looked at, put on a burqa already.

But you can't tell me that I can't look at you in public because you don't like it.

That's exactly the issue.

The op has mixed feelings about his reaction on young girls.

There is a slut parade going on in Europe, US and Canada by women conveying to men they want to be able to dress as they like, not having to adapt their lives to male instincts.

Or should women just wear burkas and be save from men?

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i have read almost all of the thread here and your points but i still dont get why its such a big deal ...?...the videos that you posted...i dont see anything wrong with them at all....so men look at good looking women..?...i would find it more weird and more worrying if they DIDNT look.....and this isnt exclusive to men...women look as well...they tend to be more discreet than men but they do look..

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.i work on trains in scotland and you can see women having a quick look at my neither regions all the time when i walk through the trains.....i have had my bum felt, been asked out numerous times and been gang kissed by groups of women...sometimes its fun and sometimes they are a pain in the arse but i cant deny i enjoy the attention of the opposite sex...

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you do realise that one of the main reasons we are all here is to propagate the species...to find a partner and have children..thats the way it is...if you are attractive then men will look at you...i really dont see the problem...and i would say most women enjoy getting a bit of attention from men because....for most people...its a good feeling to be attractive to others...

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if they step over the line and start grabbing you and not leaving you alone then thats not right but those type of men are breaking the law and need to be sorted....but 99 per cent of men are not like that...

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if this constant attention is really getting you down then there are ways and means to make yourself less attractive....

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grow a moustache...

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only kidding..

Blackbob,

the picture of you walking around in a train and surrounded by a group of women kissing you, just made my day

I will lighten up.

However, still, I do stick to my guns that a discussion about what is apropriate and who is responsible for not impeding could be interesting.

SUPRMAN said:

dJJ said:

That's exactly the issue.

The op has mixed feelings about his reaction on young girls.

There is a slut parade going on in Europe, US and Canada by women conveying to men they want to be able to dress as they like, not having to adapt their lives to male instincts.

Or should women just wear burkas and be save from men?

Women are free to dress as they choose. Isn't the problem a minority, not a majority of men?

Women who wear burqas are raped also.

Maybe Mohohammed was right. Burqas and veils aren't mandatory for all women according his book. It's for the beauty's to protect them from men.

I'll take up on that one.

dJJ said:

SUPRMAN said:

They sure are free to look at her as long as she is in public.

If you don't want to be looked at, put on a burqa already.

But you can't tell me that I can't look at you in public because you don't like it.

That's exactly the issue.

The op has mixed feelings about his reaction on young girls.

There is a slut parade going on in Europe, US and Canada by women conveying to men they want to be able to dress as they like, not having to adapt their lives to male instincts.

Or should women just wear burkas and be save from men?

That's not what it's about at all.

You seem to be very confused.

It may be instinctual to look at the opposite sex (or sex you are attracted to) - both men and women do it.

But it's not instinctual to label a woman a derogatory name or claim that they are asking to be raped by dressing a certain way.

Not one woman in that march would ever claim that rape or harassment is a "male instinct". Nor has anyone in this thread made such a claim.

This thread is about looking at someone and nothing more.

ZombieKitten said:

FauxReal said:

Man...then wtf am I stalking you for??

Hurry up and grow some crows feet man!

I have no hair. That's gotta count for something.

FauxReal said:

ZombieKitten said:

Hurry up and grow some crows feet man!

I have no hair. That's gotta count for something.

dJJ said:

Blackbob,

the picture of you walking around in a train and surrounded by a group of women kissing you, just made my day

I will lighten up.

However, still, I do stick to my guns that a discussion about what is apropriate and who is responsible for not impeding could be interesting.

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groups of women out drinking or on a hen night can be very scary for a guy in a uniform...believe me....and its always big fat women stinking of booze who are the most agressive...getting grabbed and having a big wet kiss from one of them stays long in the memory....

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dJJ said:

novabrkr said:

I tried googling "rape-by-look", but couldn't find anything.

I'm sorry, but that whole idea that simply looking at someone can be compared to rape is some of the worst bullshit that anyone has ever come up with. Unfortunately, it seems to have its origins in the academia. Of course, someone staring at you for a longer period of time can be intrusive by nature. It just gets pretty ugly when the idea of a "rape" is brought up when the other person simply isn't in your own "league".

You have never been a natural beautiful girl, who has to endure these looks of man everywhere, all the time.

At one point I even shaved my head, just to try not to be attractive for men. So, I could walk around without getting constant looks, stares or all of these wrong vibes. It helped only a little.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. So, don't judge before you actually know and realize what effect that has.

Dress sexy as hell and go to a rough gaybar. That's how it is for a girl on the street.

Post your pic. I promise I won't look at it for a very long time.

Only as long as I need.

Serious said:

JustErin said:

No.

Of course rape is a million times more serious, that goes without saying.

I seem to go in phases. Sometimes I don't really look at any women (or indeed men) when I'm out, and other times I'm looking at every woman. It's not always a sexual thing. I do find young women (I'd define young as late teens to early twenties) attractive quite often. For me it just depends how I feel, about many things (including about myself), as to whether I'm looking around me much or if I'm kinda daydreaming away in my own world that barely even extends further than my wife if she's walking next to me. Sometimes if I am looking it'll be a cute, younger girl. Sometimes it's a brief, sexual attraction thing. Sometimes it's more just something interesting about their appearance or clothes. Sometimes it's women my age or older. I don't ever feel guilty about looking at women young or old. The women I tend to find attractive, engaging, and interesting company tend to be around my age (29) or older, but as far as just looking, of course, there are some very hot young women in Thailand. There are many beautiful girls and they're nice to look at. I think my wife is beautiful, but she's not the only beautiful woman in the world. If something catches my eye to look at a woman, or indeed a guy, then I just go with it. People are interesting to look at.

blackbob said:

dJJ said:

Blackbob,

the picture of you walking around in a train and surrounded by a group of women kissing you, just made my day

I will lighten up.

However, still, I do stick to my guns that a discussion about what is apropriate and who is responsible for not impeding could be interesting.

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groups of women out drinking or on a hen night can be very scary for a guy in a uniform...believe me....and its always big fat women stinking of booze who are the most agressive...getting grabbed and having a big wet kiss from one of them stays long in the memory....

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Oh, I love them big girls like that. God love 'em! They're the ones that make a party!

They're harmless though and so are the smaller girls too. They're just out having a good time and aren't usually looking for sex to begin with. Just laughing, joking, and carrying on. That's the difference when different groups go to look at strippers. I'm not saying you're a stripper or anything, but uniforms are a big part of a lot of male strippers' acts.

When women and gay men go to look at male strippers, they are all up dancing around, hollering, and having a good time. It's more like a night of fun. But when men go to look at female strippers, it's the exact opposite. They're up in the club in secret and sitting there all quiet and drooling like a pervert. Then, they pay some of them tramps to turn a trick for them later on during the night. They came there looking for sex while the women watching male strippers just came to party and have a good time. As for the gay men though, we're looking for sex too just like straight men are. We may be gay but we're still men. However, we're not perverts about it sneaking into places and drooling. We're all out in the open with it, up and dancing around, and partying. But then again, we would turn a funeral into a party if we could. We're just some fun loving folks.

blackbob said:

dJJ said:

Blackbob,

the picture of you walking around in a train and surrounded by a group of women kissing you, just made my day

I will lighten up.

However, still, I do stick to my guns that a discussion about what is apropriate and who is responsible for not impeding could be interesting.

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groups of women out drinking or on a hen night can be very scary for a guy in a uniform...believe me....and its always big fat women stinking of booze who are the most agressive...getting grabbed and having a big wet kiss from one of them stays long in the memory....

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Hm. That really sounds familiar. In the reversed way.

I will definitely look, but I am very discreet. And if the male is young enough, I will even tell him he is fine in a "motherly sort of way." I remember one young man who was serving in my mother's retirement community dining room. This young man was black as coal and fine as cat hair. He was absolutely stunning...tall, slim, neat, pearly white teeth, beautiful smile, lawdamercy! I just had to tell him, "Young man, I know you hear this all the time, but you are one stunningly handsome young man. If I were 40 years younger..." At that point my mother said, "TRISHA!"

Shyra said:

I will definitely look, but I am very discreet. And if the male is young enough, I will even tell him he is fine in a "motherly sort of way." I remember one young man who was serving in my mother's retirement community dining room. This young man was black as coal and fine as cat hair. He was absolutely stunning...tall, slim, neat, pearly white teeth, beautiful smile, lawdamercy! I just had to tell him, "Young man, I know you hear this all the time, but you are one stunningly handsome young man. If I were 40 years younger..." At that point my mother said, "TRISHA!"

You go, Mrs. Robinson...

Awesome thread!

I'm 40 and recently I've been having indecent thoughts about this one co-worker/friend who is 22. I could be her father!!! But I guess 18 years isn't REALLY that big a deal anymore, right?

The main obstacle, of course, is that she's dating my best friend. It's funny to say that 'cuz ordinarily I'd say her looks are intimidating or definitely her age (I'm an OLD 40 as you know!)...but her I'd ask out no problem. Maybe b/c we're already "friends" of a sort and I've gotten to know her & be comfortable.

So maybe "age ain't nothin' but a number" after all, huh?

PurpleJedi said:

Awesome thread!

I'm 40 and recently I've been having indecent thoughts about this one co-worker/friend who is 22. I could be her father!!! But I guess 18 years isn't REALLY that big a deal anymore, right?

The main obstacle, of course, is that she's dating my best friend. It's funny to say that 'cuz ordinarily I'd say her looks are intimidating or definitely her age (I'm an OLD 40 as you know!)...but her I'd ask out no problem. Maybe b/c we're already "friends" of a sort and I've gotten to know her & be comfortable.

So maybe "age ain't nothin' but a number" after all, huh?

Baby you know it is...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

PurpleJedi said:

Awesome thread!

I'm 40 and recently I've been having indecent thoughts about this one co-worker/friend who is 22. I could be her father!!! But I guess 18 years isn't REALLY that big a deal anymore, right?

The main obstacle, of course, is that she's dating my best friend. It's funny to say that 'cuz ordinarily I'd say her looks are intimidating or definitely her age (I'm an OLD 40 as you know!)...but her I'd ask out no problem. Maybe b/c we're already "friends" of a sort and I've gotten to know her & be comfortable.

So maybe "age ain't nothin' but a number" after all, huh?

Baby you know it is...

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

Shyra said:

I will definitely look, but I am very discreet. And if the male is young enough, I will even tell him he is fine in a "motherly sort of way." I remember one young man who was serving in my mother's retirement community dining room. This young man was black as coal and fine as cat hair. He was absolutely stunning...tall, slim, neat, pearly white teeth, beautiful smile, lawdamercy! I just had to tell him, "Young man, I know you hear this all the time, but you are one stunningly handsome young man. If I were 40 years younger..." At that point my mother said, "TRISHA!"

You go, Mrs. Robinson...

I'm age 36. And I still like my grown women to be between ages 20-49. I'll consider age 50-something if she still in good shape.

No jailbaits!

blackbob said:

well i am now in my early 40s...getting a bit rough around the edges but not bad for my age...i have always had an eye for the ladies...i see attractive women all the time and i suppose its natural to have a wee look..but the problem i have is that a lot of women i look at now are half my age or more.. ....of course i find them attractive but a wee part of me feels that i shouldnt be looking at them like that...you know...sexually ...i am old enough to be their father...does anyone else feel like this?...its a bit weird...

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do the org ladies in their late 30s, 40s feel like this as well...do you look at young guys and feel a bit gulity or do women tend not to find young guys attractive ?...

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when i turned forty i became a 20 something magnet. your good looking-go for it-. i dated older men in my early 20s and the sex was great, not to mention the men in their early 20s were idiots and sometimes i needed a man that could use the head on their shoulders, not just the one between their legs.

dJJ said:

When I was 18 I hated these old guys looking at me. Brrrrr. Just groced me out.

And I still hate it when somebody, obviously out of his league, checks me out. Feels like violation. It's rude. there is a term for it. rape-by-look.

Old guys checking out young girls, most of the time looks very sad.

no offence but you sound really pompous

blackbob said:

vainandy said:

Well, I don't look for the opposite sex for anything except to compare tricks. But as far as men goes, I'm a whore, I'll have them all and ain't gonna turn no good looking man down regardless of his age. However, as far as preference goes, I prefer one near my age or a little older. The younger ones seem to have those tighter drawn up balls. I like the older ones because they've grown thicker bush over the years and their balls have dropped and hang lower. I like some hairy low hanging ball sacks.

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...well you wouldnt like me then andy..wee bit too much information there...even i am blushing.....

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sorry ....maybe shouldnt have put opposite sex in headline..applys to whatever your sexual preference is....

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[Edited 6/3/11 5:02am]

i hope you are joking because i will pirate this thread and we will all have a little talk about MAN grooming. HELLO WAXING,SHAVING ?! besides young or old ballsacks look old and wrinkled. and if you want those old ball sacks tighter be creative -ice tightens them right up- why am i debating this? gotta go now.