I've heard about this one--do they ever show it on tv? He was good in the original Cape Fear, but I like De Niro in the remake, too.

take your own advice.

It's cool, Chris. I got this. (And this is the last energy I'll even give to this absurdity)...

StoneCrib...

You’ve been slightly cute up to this point, but this is getting old...

First, the more you run off at the mouth, the more I actually find you have something in common with a lot of other folk here on the org: None of us knows what in the hell you’re talking about! And what makes this so rich is that you’ve been throwing around accusations of pomp and arrongance, knowing no one here, while every part of your own persona – from your posts to your signature – exemplifies it! That’s golden.

Let’s review: This thread didn’t ask what works deserve a place in the AFI archives. It didn’t ask which works have bolstered the state of culture and humanity. It didn’t ask which made us feel warm and fuzzy or which deserve NAACP Image awards. It asked which American B&Ws we place among our personal favorites. I answered it, offering a personal reason why, and I’d do it again. You come out of left-field with some strange diatribe about how BOAN should be removed from the AFI archives and how you “don’t give a flying f***” what it accomplished cinematically …yada yada yada.

Um… So friggin’ what?

When you become the arbiter of personal taste, then your opinion about other’s opinions may matter. In the meantime, hint: If you hated Birth of a Nation[/i] sooooo much, keep it off of your list of personal favorites.

As it were, in my time, I’ve held office in any number of anti-racist organizations. I’ve been editor-in-chief of one of the better-known university-related Pan-African culture magazines in the country. I’ve been to four continents. Met a whole lotta people. Faced off with a whole lotta racists. And not a single person I’ve met clings to delusions of African Americans as some political block taking over post-Reconstruction American politics or soot-faced coons with glowing eyes and pink, platter lips who jump out of bushes and attack unassuming white women. They DO, however, roundly think of African American women as oversexualized whores who have nothing better to offer the world than their asses. …And, incidentally, they think of black men as belligerent, self-righteous loud-mouths who stir up shit unprovoked and take pride in spewing ignorance.

Among several other ludicrous things, your posts here seem to suggest that because one is white, one has less sympathy with the harm a movie like Birth of a Nation could do to a people. Moreover, it seems to suggest that amid such boundless harm – amid such ignorance by a ruling majority – we should somehow hide this monumental work, instead of absolutely acknowledging its stunning and artful execution and its detrimental effect on the human psyche at the time. That’s the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard.

By the way, since you don’t seem to pick up context clues, I AM African American. Been one for 33 years as far as I know. I’m married to an amazing, gorgeous, self-respecting African American woman. And I’m the father of a child who, God willing, will one day grow to be one. So since you asked, hell yes, 1) It does offend me that given a world of choices – and since you fancy yourself an activist – you’d willfully present the org with a picture of Ki Toy Johnson’s ass on full display (as if it truly mattered which exploited model she is ) and 2) it would offend me if it were a female celebrity of any other race (perhaps moreso if it were Lucy Lui, as she’s shown more self-respect than that) Finally, it stuns me all the more that when called on it, you’d actually have the gaul to defend it as somehow culturally valuable or celebratory. That takes nerve, bruh -- and more than a low tolerance for bullshit.

D.W. Griffith’s depiction of black men showed them as primal creatures who subjectify women and are incapable of self-reproach. How exactly are you proving him wrong?

I can tell you this: In 2006, the kind of paradox you present, the kind of hypocrisy, the kind of tumultuousness – coming from a black man, no less -- is FAR more hurtful to black people than some dumb-ass dead and forgotten filmmaker or a movie that’s approaching 100 years old.

Don’t wanna take it from me? Ask any sister. Ask any human.

Fini.
[Edited 4/4/06 11:02am]

I get it now. You're just being an ass about this just because you've taken it too far to come back from it or you're just following Hearto and Lam. You really have no just reason to even be involved in this discussion because so far you've offered absolutely nothing to the topic other than "She's degarding woman" yet all you can mention is "She has on lingerie" - Well gosh golly gee! Not lingerie! GASP! Give me a break. Stop wasting your time and post space on this silly vendetta against me just because I don't like Birth of a Nation.

Lam, you strike me as an intelligent but ignorant person who doesn't see a problem with a white man completely trashing your people on film. That's your prerogative. I'm glad you're married to a beautiful black woman, do you want brownie points for that? Is that some sort of accomplishment that we now judge our people by? But who in the hell are YOU to tell me that I can't have my opinion about YOUR tastes once you make them PUBLIC on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD? If you don't want your shit criticized - DON'T POST. Simple as that.

What's funny is how you roll off your lists of "accomplishments" as if that will impress me. Sorry, fellow black man, but I'm not easily impressed via the internet where anyone can be who they want to be. I can pipe off about my degree in a particular field of study, my many pro-black organization affiliations, and my published writings but that serves no purpose here. The ONLY thing I said was "How anyone could have Birth of a Nation on their list is beyond me" and you decided that you wanted to "fight back." No problem, but watch who you go to battle against because they may know the same shit that YOU do or more.

What's even worse is how you're trying to sit up here and say my stance is HURTING the Black race. Amazing. Sometimes people want to hold onto their "internet lore" and their "internet friends" more so than their ethics and morals.

Lam, this place must be very important to you to sit up here and try and sell that trash about me hurting my people just because I stand up against racism in ANY FORM OR FASHION. You must be an Org God. Now that's ONE accomplishment you MUST really be proud of.

Lastly, if D.W. Griffith were alive today and he walked up to you and said "Did you like my film, Nigger?" - I wonder if you'd STILL bask in his "GENIUS." Just a thought. Ssadly, I think I already know your answer because your org affiliation is probably stronger than your pride. That's where the true shame comes in at.

i am offended by your sexist and degrading avatar, your blatant lies, but most of all your hypocrisy.

it's not because you don't like "birth of a nation", hell i don't like "nation of a nation", no one has said they like "birth of a nation"... you are just too ridiculous to see that.

Lam, you strike me as an intelligent but ignorant person who doesn't see a problem with a white man completely trashing your people on film. That's your prerogative. I'm glad you're married to a beautiful black woman, do you want brownie points for that? Is that some sort of accomplishment that we now judge our people by? But who in the hell are YOU to tell me that I can't have my opinion about YOUR tastes once you make them PUBLIC on a PUBLIC MESSAGE BOARD? If you don't want your shit criticized - DON'T POST. Simple as that.

What's funny is how you roll off your lists of "accomplishments" as if that will impress me. Sorry, fellow black man, but I'm not easily impressed via the internet where anyone can be who they want to be. I can pipe off about my degree in a particular field of study, my many pro-black organization affiliations, and my published writings but that serves no purpose here. The ONLY thing I said was "How anyone could have Birth of a Nation on their list is beyond me" and you decided that you wanted to "fight back." No problem, but watch who you go to battle against because they may know the same shit that YOU do or more.

What's even worse is how you're trying to sit up here and say my stance is HURTING the Black race. Amazing. Sometimes people want to hold onto their "internet lore" and their "internet friends" more so than their ethics and morals.

Lam, this place must be very important to you to sit up here and try and sell that trash about me hurting my people just because I stand up against racism in ANY FORM OR FASHION. You must be an Org God. Now that's ONE accomplishment you MUST really be proud of.

Lastly, if D.W. Griffith were alive today and he walked up to you and said "Did you like my film, Nigger?" - I wonder if you'd STILL bask in his "GENIUS." Just a thought. Ssadly, I think I already know your answer because your org affiliation is probably stronger than your pride. That's where the true shame comes in at.

Lastly, if D.W. Griffith were alive today and he walked up to you and said "Did you like my film, Nigger?" - I wonder if you'd STILL bask in his "GENIUS." Just a thought. Ssadly, I think I already know your answer because your org affiliation is probably stronger than your pride. That's where the true shame comes in at.

Does anyone remember when this thread was about your favorite black and white American movie? It seems like so long ago, but I seem to remember something along those lines. Those were the salad days....

Lastly, if D.W. Griffith were alive today and he walked up to you and said "Did you like my film, Nigger?" - I wonder if you'd STILL bask in his "GENIUS." Just a thought. Ssadly, I think I already know your answer because your org affiliation is probably stronger than your pride. That's where the true shame comes in at.

sorry.

just for the sheer stupidity and self-worth of itself, i ADORE:



plan 9 from outer space.

...8 1/2



...La Dolce Vita

If we're gonna open up this bad boy to foreign films then I will post this one:


Black Sunday/The Mask Of Satan (1960)

The closest I've come to seeing that film is seeing it represented of the clips in Ed Wood. And I had a classmate who did a presentation on it with several funny clips. Don't know if I could force myself to watch the whole thing, though.

If we're gonna open up this bad boy to foreign films then I will post this one:


Black Sunday/The Mask Of Satan (1960)

I've always wanted to see those first two, but never got around to it.

True Story

Griffith sent his Black maid to see Birth Of A Nation, up that point he was regarded as good man (not the type who would call you a nigger in your face) amongst the Blacks that knew him. The maid came back and told him "I'm ashamed of you and quit. Even though he was adapting an existing screenplay, how could he believe his Black maid would some how enjoy it.

Are you serious? If that's true then that's a damn shame. That man needed his ass kicked ESPECIALLY for sending his maid to see it.

Oh, but remember, he was a GENIUS FILMMAKER to SOME here, so he gets a pass.

Are you serious? If that's true then that's a damn shame. That man needed his ass kicked ESPECIALLY for sending his maid to see it.

Oh, but remember, he was a GENIUS FILMMAKER to SOME here, so he gets a pass.

In my opinion praising Birth of a Nation is like saying: 'Hey, Hitler was a great orator'

In my opinion praising Birth of a Nation is like saying: 'Hey, Hitler was a great orator'

he was.



he was a complete ass to say the least, otherwise, but he was a fantastic orator.

In my opinion praising Birth of a Nation is like saying: 'Hey, Hitler was a great orator'

I found Nico extremely charming in 'La Dolce Vita'--unlike in her music which I like for totally different reasons.

he was.



he was a complete ass to say the least, otherwise, but he was a fantastic orator.

well he was , though being a mind controlling black magician helps.