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Thread started 02/08/03 9:28am

2the9s

World Trade Center Design Finalists

They have narrowed the seven finalists for the WTC site project down to two. I was wondering what people thought.

I had an opportunity to attend the public meeting about these designs, but couldn't go.

The first is a design by Daniel Libeskind, who did the Jewish Museum in Berlin:



The second is by the New York-based architect firm THINK:



Here's a press report on the decision that contains more info on the designs and architects, as well as a little about the decision process:

http://www.chron.com/cs/C...nt/1764496

World Trade Center finalists feature world's tallest buildings

By KAREN MATTHEWS
Associated Press

NEW YORK (AP) -- Two plans featuring structures that would rise taller than any other in the world have been picked as finalists in the selection of a design to rebuild the World Trade Center, officials said Tuesday.

One proposal evokes the original trade center with twin latticework towers, while the other preserves the foundations of the twin skyscrapers.

The selection of the designs was announced Tuesday afternoon by officials from the Lower Manhattan Development Corp., the agency overseeing the redevelopment of the site, and the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the agency that owned the trade center.

"These designs best satisfied the rigorous set of criteria that we set forth," said Roland Betts, head of the LMDC's planning committee.

Both finalist designs -- by an architectural team known as THINK and by Berlin-based architect Daniel Libeskind -- feature structures rising higher than the tallest in the world, Malaysia's 1,483-foot Petronas Twin Towers.

The World Trade Center's twin towers measured 1,350 feet.

The THINK team, led by New York-based architects Rafael Vinoly and Frederic Schwartz, proposed the World Cultural Center, whose lacy 1,665-foot towers have been called 21st-century Eiffel Towers.

Libeskind, who designed Berlin's Jewish Museum, proposed starkly geometrical buildings clustered around the foundations of the fallen towers and topped by a 1,776-foot spire.

Although both finalists include soaring structures, neither plan conceives of office space extending all the way to the top.

The models each include a vision for where the victims' memorial might be built. A specific design for the memorial is expected to be chosen later this year in a separate competition. Nearly 2,800 people were killed in the attack on the trade center Sept. 11, 2001.

Spokesmen for the two finalists did not immediately return calls seeking comment.

The two finalists were among nine proposals for redeveloping the 16-acre World Trade Center site that were unveiled Dec. 18. The plans were selected from 407 submissions from around the world. One of the nine semifinalist designs was later withdrawn.

An earlier group of proposed designs, released in July, was criticized as boring and overstuffed with office space.

While no one expects an exact replica of either of the finalists to rise at the site, officials at the development corporation have said whatever is built there will be based on one of the plans.

Recurring turf battles over control of the site may complicate the decision-making, though.

Developer Larry Silverstein, who holds the lease to the trade center site, complained in a letter to development corporation chairman John Whitehead last week that the proposed designs do not include enough office space.



My favorite didn't make it. By Fosters and Partners:



I really like that one.

I'm sure this thing is far from over...
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Reply #1 posted 02/08/03 9:29am

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I prefer the first one, the second is fugly.
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Reply #2 posted 02/08/03 9:32am

2the9s

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

I prefer the first one, the second is fugly.


lol @ fugly. I agree!

The first one also makes better use of the space on the ground.

The second just looks sad and hollow and empty...and fugly...
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Reply #3 posted 02/08/03 9:35am

2the9s

Here's the first one from the ground:





Looking up:

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Reply #4 posted 02/08/03 9:37am

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Then I don't like that one either. That is clutter, and I would hate for anyone to have to look at that on a daily basis.

I guess it can be said I now don't like either one of them. Though, if the first one didn't have all that gunk on the ground, I would like it just fine.
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Reply #5 posted 02/08/03 9:41am

2the9s

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Then I don't like that one either. That is clutter, and I would hate for anyone to have to look at that on a daily basis.

I guess it can be said I now don't like either one of them. Though, if the first one didn't have all that gunk on the ground, I would like it just fine.


I think neither of them are satisfactory in that respect, but that gunk needs to be there. From the article:

Libeskind, who designed Berlin's Jewish Museum, proposed starkly geometrical buildings clustered around the foundations of the fallen towers and topped by a 1,776-foot spire.


I don't know how anything could be completely satisfactory to anyone.
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Reply #6 posted 02/08/03 9:43am

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The one that you liked was interesting. How did it look from the ground?
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Reply #7 posted 02/08/03 9:46am

2the9s

The only pic I could find of the Fosters from the ground was this:



Although I thought I remembered seeing others.

Here's one from above, for what it's worth:



I was never to keen on the idea of having to build skyscrapers again, but I think I've changed my mind.
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Reply #8 posted 02/08/03 9:48am

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I definitely prefer that one. A shame it's not one of the two. It looks much nicer.
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Reply #9 posted 02/08/03 9:50am

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Neither. They are both awful. Any twin tower-like structure on that spot is just not going to look right.



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Reply #10 posted 02/08/03 9:52am

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One thing to note... they will have to have FULL-SCALE military security around the joint at all times... re-building the towers is an invitation to terrorism.
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Reply #11 posted 02/08/03 9:55am

2the9s

IceNine said:

One thing to note... they will have to have FULL-SCALE military security around the joint at all times... re-building the towers is an invitation to terrorism.


Yeah, that's why I was against the skyscrapers. This would have been a wonderful opportunity to reconsider the use of space in this high population area without having to create fortresses. Some of the previous design did that.

I guess many people see that as cowardly or something, but it's smart.
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Reply #12 posted 02/08/03 9:58am

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2the9s said:

IceNine said:

One thing to note... they will have to have FULL-SCALE military security around the joint at all times... re-building the towers is an invitation to terrorism.


Yeah, that's why I was against the skyscrapers. This would have been a wonderful opportunity to reconsider the use of space in this high population area without having to create fortresses. Some of the previous design did that.

I guess many people see that as cowardly or something, but it's smart.


Right. Can you imagine how tempting the new towers will be to terrorists? They should avoid the whole idea of towers and try something new like a single structure that is more impervious to attack.

I can only imagine that various terrorist groups would find it highly symbolic to take it down again.
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Reply #13 posted 02/08/03 10:01am

TheMax

I definitely prefer the second design shown above. I hope they build it. It seems a fitting symbolic reminder of what was lost.
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Reply #14 posted 02/08/03 1:07pm

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I preferred the first. I participated in a pole on them. It appeared almost a tie.
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Reply #15 posted 02/08/03 1:19pm

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yeah, that's whut they need, more metal in the sky...
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Reply #16 posted 02/08/03 1:40pm

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I prefer the first... neither are quite my taste though..
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Reply #17 posted 02/08/03 1:43pm

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are they ALL made of glass?

yeah, THAT's terrorist-proof!
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Reply #18 posted 02/08/03 2:00pm

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Reply #19 posted 02/08/03 2:04pm

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The THINK team, led by New York-based architects Rafael Vinoly and Frederic Schwartz, proposed the World Cultural Center, whose lacy 1,665-foot towers have been called 21st-century Eiffel Towers.




what the fuck do we want one of those ugly-ass things for? build a damn building.
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Reply #20 posted 02/08/03 2:44pm

SnowQueen

I basically don't like either design, but I do think the first one is better. The second one is hideous to me.

And in the 2nd one, what's the white thing stuck between the two towers supposed to represent anyway? It looks like creepily like a paper airplane to me, or else like a wadded up Kleenex. confused

I like the Fosters one the best, too.

I realize (office) space is a premium in NYC but personally, I wish they'd just make that area into a peaceful memorial park of some type with lots of flowers and greenery, something more 'alive', vs. a bunch of cold, grey metal.
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Reply #21 posted 02/08/03 4:06pm

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If I had to choose, it would be the first one. Although none of them are really to my taste.
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Reply #22 posted 02/08/03 4:08pm

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Who gets to vote on this? I hope the people of New York have a large say in this.
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Reply #23 posted 02/08/03 4:13pm

Paisley

I really didn't care for either one of them but if I had to choose one I would have to go with the first one. I would have liked to see the city turn it into some kind of memorial center for the victims, but that's just my opinion.
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Reply #24 posted 02/08/03 4:16pm

Starmist7

I'm feeling neither right now...let other people say...it's too soon also...
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Reply #25 posted 02/08/03 4:19pm

ian

Man, I don't like either of em. What is it with arrogant architects and their incessent need to inflict tons of glass, exposed metal girders etc on everyone? I don't think those mockups look particularly attractive. The original towers looked nicer.

I feel they should either replace the twin towers properly - exactly, so the skyline of NY is restored, or else avoid the big tower idea altogether and go for something nice and flat. How about a nice garden?
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Reply #26 posted 02/09/03 6:53am

2the9s

Wow you guys are harsher than me! lol

ian said:

Man, I don't like either of em. What is it with arrogant architects and their incessent need to inflict tons of glass, exposed metal girders etc on everyone? I don't think those mockups look particularly attractive. The original towers looked nicer.


I agree that neither looks particularly attractive, but then again I didn't think the original towers looked particularly attractive either. There was nothing much to them from an aesthetic point of view, especially on the ground, although it was something to walk around them at the base.

As for arrogance, they have some very strict criteria to work with: restoring the skyline, providing a certain amount of office space, I think preserving the "footprint" of the original buildings or otherwise memorializing the original towers and the tragedy of so many lost lives. I forget the details...

I feel they should either replace the twin towers properly - exactly, so the skyline of NY is restored, or else avoid the big tower idea altogether and go for something nice and flat. How about a nice garden?


I guess that's why I like the first. Because it at least tries to do something with the space on the ground. But I thought some other designs did it better.

I guess the reason I liked the one by Fosters is that it sort of replicates the twin towers, but the design both memorializes and is defiant. Its corkscrew design is both collapsing into grief and struggling to rise, depending on how you look at it.

It also seems to leave a lot of open space on the ground.
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Reply #27 posted 02/09/03 6:59am

LaVisHh

I think it should be some sort of memorial...not a monumental one, but perhaps like the Vietnam Memorial...with the names of all the victims. This could be built within a park.

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Reply #28 posted 02/09/03 8:18am

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I think they should just keep the twin lights .Simple and cost effective.
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Reply #29 posted 02/09/03 1:30pm

Paisley

LaVisHh said:

I think it should be some sort of memorial...not a monumental one, but perhaps like the Vietnam Memorial...with the names of all the victims. This could be built within a park.

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That's exactly what I think they should do, guess it's true what they say, "great minds do think alike". hug
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