gandorb said:

I am not sure how Petty was originally injured. However, ir seems like a lot of performers are originally injured on stage. There needs to be more attention paid to this and education to younger performers by their injured elders, just like that has finally started happening in the NFL about concussions. It is so easy to be in denial about these things when you are young.

Very good point.I also think that artists/performers need to make their health a priority and,if need be,quit touring.I understand that it's difficult for a performer to just'stop'doing concerts.Performing is their life,it's their passion.I love going to concerts,but I don't want my favorite artists risking their lives to entertain me.

gandorb said:

lastdecember said:

gandorb said:

I am not sure how Petty was originally injured. However, ir seems like a lot of performers are originally injured on stage. There needs to be more attention paid to this and education to younger performers by their injured elders, just like that has finally started happening in the NFL about concussions. It is so easy to be in denial about these things when you are young.

I agree with the sentiment expressed in a couple of posts that while it seems logical for the injured not to tour, it is unrealistic given that this is their passion. If they can't move around much anymore, hire dancers or younger musicians who can move around the stage. Prince on the P & M tour proved you can capture the crowd by being open, spontaneous, and engaged with an audience without doing all the moves. Of course, not everyone is Prince....

But Prince on a tour that was just him sitting down, he was in pain or addicted to getting rid of the pain, he was using it while on that tour, probably had been using it during the last show to get through it, which would make sense since he passed out on the plane, he obviously used it during and after the show. As for Petty’s injury the hip always goes I don’t think petty had surgery but look at Eddie Van Halen he was almost crippled a decade ago.

Honestly,Prince probably should have quit touring after the Musicology Tour.Didn't his hip replacement (or surgery) happen a few years after? That's when it was time to stop,imo.

PeteSilas said:

bashraka said:

Or how about the fact that "these guys" are musicians who devoted their entire lives to playing music onstage and writing and recording songs in the studio. Regardless of how much money they amassed in their careers, their livelihoods were the same as their hobbies. If anything, it's a testament to their zeal for playing for their fans and not letting their challenges keep them from living life.

i'm a musician, i understand the obsession, but then, i also do not share the drug habit, never did and that's oddly made me a sort of outcast sometimes. I understand the drive itself, i'm not questioning that i'm questioning the ego or greed that might make these guys need to get out there in front of all these people. Isn't that what made Prince ruin his hips? Ego? Not accepting that his body had limits and having that ego fed by thousands of people? To me, an old martial artist/fighter, it's just like boxers who don't know when to stop and ruin the remainder of their lives by fighting too long because of EGO. Now, I don't know what made Petty tour with broken hips when he had money and fame already maybe it was greed and not ego but I'd suspect it was one or the other and not some drive for the love of music. Even if it was, like Little Richard, comes a time when you have to stop.

Sometimes, it's not even about ego but obligation. They may be very pasionate about their work being their livelihood, but they may get sick or injured and really need to step back from the road to heal, but they then worry about their loyal fans who paid big money to see them in concert and don't want to let them down. They feel obligated to go on even when they probably shouldn't, so they use whatever then can to get through the day or night.

728huey said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm a musician, i understand the obsession, but then, i also do not share the drug habit, never did and that's oddly made me a sort of outcast sometimes. I understand the drive itself, i'm not questioning that i'm questioning the ego or greed that might make these guys need to get out there in front of all these people. Isn't that what made Prince ruin his hips? Ego? Not accepting that his body had limits and having that ego fed by thousands of people? To me, an old martial artist/fighter, it's just like boxers who don't know when to stop and ruin the remainder of their lives by fighting too long because of EGO. Now, I don't know what made Petty tour with broken hips when he had money and fame already maybe it was greed and not ego but I'd suspect it was one or the other and not some drive for the love of music. Even if it was, like Little Richard, comes a time when you have to stop.

Sometimes, it's not even about ego but obligation. They may be very pasionate about their work being their livelihood, but they may get sick or injured and really need to step back from the road to heal, but they then worry about their loyal fans who paid big money to see them in concert and don't want to let them down. They feel obligated to go on even when they probably shouldn't, so they use whatever then can to get through the day or night.

i don't get it, if your hip is broken you have no business on stage, that's a legitimate reason to cancel a gig. Maybe a bigger issue is how people really don't look out for themselves and love themselves because doing stuff like that is abusive to the self whether it's Elvis, Michael, Prince or Petty. I'll tell you that I could have been a pro fighter, really, not just me saying it, other people told me but with the lack of care and the stupidity I would have had to put my body through, it just seemed stupid to me. We see it in pro sports all the time, I have to think that at some level, it's a lack of self-love. I've always loved me so I didn't have that problem.

this is what you do when you get old: https://www.youtube.com/w...p;index=17

PeteSilas said:

this is what you do when you get old: https://www.youtube.com/w...p;index=17

If you live long enough you start contemplating your mortality and what comes after it... Little Richard always grappled with the sacred and profane. Like Prince.

purplethunder3121 said:

PeteSilas said:

this is what you do when you get old: https://www.youtube.com/w...p;index=17

If you live long enough you start contemplating your mortality and what comes after it... Little Richard always grappled with the sacred and profane. Like Prince.

yes he did, he was also blessed enough with humility I think, and also great spiritual strength. I once mentioned on here that he overnight quit all drugs, coke, heroin, alcohol weed or whatever it was he did and someone said that he must have been a superman, well, I think he was.

lastdecember said:

PeteSilas said:

bashraka said:

Or how about the fact that "these guys" are musicians who devoted their entire lives to playing music onstage and writing and recording songs in the studio. Regardless of how much money they amassed in their careers, their livelihoods were the same as their hobbies. If anything, it's a testament to their zeal for playing for their fans and not letting their challenges keep them from living life.

i'm a musician, i understand the obsession, but then, i also do not share the drug habit, never did and that's oddly made me a sort of outcast sometimes. I understand the drive itself, i'm not questioning that i'm questioning the ego or greed that might make these guys need to get out there in front of all these people. Isn't that what made Prince ruin his hips? Ego? Not accepting that his body had limits and having that ego fed by thousands of people? To me, an old martial artist/fighter, it's just like boxers who don't know when to stop and ruin the remainder of their lives by fighting too long because of EGO. Now, I don't know what made Petty tour with broken hips when he had money and fame already maybe it was greed and not ego but I'd suspect it was one or the other and not some drive for the love of music. Even if it was, like Little Richard, comes a time when you have to stop.

It's not up to you, me or anybody to tell a musician when to stop playing music. Ultimately, it's their livelihood and their choices to determine how they lead their lives. Their egos is what helped create their songs and reach the heights of success they did. Regardless of how bad their health was, their passion and enthusiasm for music didn't rest on how big their bank accounts.

bashraka said:

PeteSilas said:

i'm a musician, i understand the obsession, but then, i also do not share the drug habit, never did and that's oddly made me a sort of outcast sometimes. I understand the drive itself, i'm not questioning that i'm questioning the ego or greed that might make these guys need to get out there in front of all these people. Isn't that what made Prince ruin his hips? Ego? Not accepting that his body had limits and having that ego fed by thousands of people? To me, an old martial artist/fighter, it's just like boxers who don't know when to stop and ruin the remainder of their lives by fighting too long because of EGO. Now, I don't know what made Petty tour with broken hips when he had money and fame already maybe it was greed and not ego but I'd suspect it was one or the other and not some drive for the love of music. Even if it was, like Little Richard, comes a time when you have to stop.

It's not up to you, me or anybody to tell a musician when to stop playing music. Ultimately, it's their livelihood and their choices to determine how they lead their lives. Their egos is what helped create their songs and reach the heights of success they did. Regardless of how bad their health was, their passion and enthusiasm for music didn't rest on how big their bank accounts.

you might have a point there, just like angelo dundee said no one had the right to tell muhammad ali when it was time to quit, still, beloved as ali was, he was banned from fighting in NY after the Shavers fight and banned nationally after the Holmes fight because he was loved. He still went on to fight one more debacle in the bahamas which he lost and then lived the rest of his life in diminished condition. Maybe we don't have the right but I can say something is stupid when it's stupid and going onstage pumped full of pain meds with a broken hip is stupid. I don't know his finances but I doubt he needed the money, he could of called it off and done it another time, no tragedy in that.

PeteSilas said:

this is what you do when you get old: https://www.youtube.com/w...p;index=17

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OMG! I haven't seen Little Richard in ages!! He looks fantastic for an 85 year-old Man!! Good for him; he's doing something good with his life. I think this is the first time I've ever seen him without make-up and eyeliner.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

this is what you do when you get old: https://www.youtube.com/w...p;index=17

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OMG! I haven't seen Little Richard in ages!! He looks fantastic for an 85 year-old Man!! Good for him; he's doing something good with his life. I think this is the first time I've ever seen him without make-up and eyeliner.

clear headed as can be, i watched a full hour of the interview. I love him and wish i could just take off to go see him myself.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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OMG! I haven't seen Little Richard in ages!! He looks fantastic for an 85 year-old Man!! Good for him; he's doing something good with his life. I think this is the first time I've ever seen him without make-up and eyeliner.

clear headed as can be, i watched a full hour of the interview. I love him and wish i could just take off to go see him myself.

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He's as sharp as a razor!! Amazing!! This makes me happy to see a famous performer transitioning in life and finding new happiness.

PeteSilas said:

going onstage pumped full of pain meds with a broken hip is stupid.

like I said earlier....I love concerts,but I don't want my favorite artists killing themselves to entertain me.Their health should be a priority.

sonshine said:

lastdecember said:

There is no reason to be prescribed six different types of drugs without checking on who is prescribing what, there is no accountability amongst doctors at all. There is no system of checks and balances with this stuff.

Actually there is a "system". Those medications are in a class of drugs that are monitored by the DEA and state medical boards. There are red flags they prompt investigation. That's always been. There is also a newer "system" but until recently has been voluntary to participate in. Altho the doctors that i work for opted in from the beginning. I'm not saying there aren't some bad doctors out there. But the doctors i work with have always used whatever tools are available to avoid getting duped by drug-seekers and/or otherwise inadvertently duplicating these medications for an individual. They know the punishment is harsh. They don't appreciate being put in that position. What people seem to not understand is that doctors were misled initially about these drugs. Unfortunstely by the time the truth came to light they already had scores of addicted patients on their hands. Sadly there are the rare legit patients who suffer chronic pain and have no choice but to use these drugs. Even so they have a bleak future. At some point they become tolerant to their medication and need something stronger. Its a very slippery slope managing pain medications. It's a delicate balancing act. Responsible doctors require their patients to sign pain contracts that include random drug screening, using only one pharmacy and a number of other stipulations. There is a lot of blame to go around, but the majority of it rests with the pharmaceutical companies who lied about the safety of their drugs and falsified studies in order to get them approved by the FDA and on the market. Then their sales reps pimped out their dangerous drugs to doctors across the country. Who in turn generously prescribed these effective drugs which they were made to believe had very low potential for abuse.

But the investigations are always after they are dead I am talking a system that when I go into a pharmacy to fill something it is a red flag when I have other things I am taking that does not exist, Doctors and not all by any means, will ask are you taking this most do not ask shit, they write it out and that is it.

SoulAlive said:

lastdecember said:

gandorb said: But Prince on a tour that was just him sitting down, he was in pain or addicted to getting rid of the pain, he was using it while on that tour, probably had been using it during the last show to get through it, which would make sense since he passed out on the plane, he obviously used it during and after the show. As for Petty’s injury the hip always goes I don’t think petty had surgery but look at Eddie Van Halen he was almost crippled a decade ago.

Honestly,Prince probably should have quit touring after the Musicology Tour.Didn't his hip replacement (or surgery) happen a few years after? That's when it was time to stop,imo.

To be honest he really did in a way for the most part. It was more on his terms, a residency here and there, 3rd eye gigs where he did not move much, but still the weight of a guitar is an issue too, hence Prince saying "they wont let me play my guitar" he may have said these things as throwaway statement but they are eerie now and a hint.

lastdecember said:

PeteSilas said:

PeteSilas said:

This is a copy and paste of my post on another thread....this is the right thread for it to be posted in:


Why was Tom Petty taking Acetyl Fentanyl, which is a designer drug and not a prescription drug? This info is right on the autopsy report and it shows he was also using Fentanyl and despropionyl fentanyl. So he had legal access, so why the illegal drug then?


http://mec.lacounty.gov/w...2017-07259

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said:

i don't get it, if your hip is broken you have no business on stage, that's a legitimate reason to cancel a gig. Maybe a bigger issue is how people really don't look out for themselves and love themselves because doing stuff like that is abusive to the self whether it's Elvis, Michael, Prince or Petty. I'll tell you that I could have been a pro fighter, really, not just me saying it, other people told me but with the lack of care and the stupidity I would have had to put my body through, it just seemed stupid to me. We see it in pro sports all the time, I have to think that at some level, it's a lack of self-love. I've always loved me so I didn't have that problem.

—I think it is adrenaline rush and some of these artist have nothing else going on in their lives. Prince did not have a family he called his songs his children.

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Most musicians do it for the love of their fans and the music. I think that was the case with both Prince and Petty.

cloveringold85 said:

laurarichardson said:

PeteSilas said: —I think it is adrenaline rush and some of these artist have nothing else going on in their lives. Prince did not have a family he called his songs his children.

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Most musicians do it for the love of their fans and the music. I think that was the case with both Prince and Petty.

That's true,but I feel like....if you have to take a ton of pain killers just to perform a show,it's just not worth it I'm sure the fans would agree.When I think about MJ,Prince and now Tom Petty and what they went through just to perform for their fans,it makes me really sad.

So no one has anything to say about Petty having ingested illegal fentanyl per the autopsy report?

Mumio said:

So no one has anything to say about Petty having ingested illegal fentanyl per the autopsy report?

i don't think most of us have really noticed that but now that you mention it, so, he took fentanyl that wasn't prescribed huh?

SoulAlive said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Most musicians do it for the love of their fans and the music. I think that was the case with both Prince and Petty.

That's true,but I feel like....if you have to take a ton of pain killers just to perform a show,it's just not worth it I'm sure the fans would agree.When I think about MJ,Prince and now Tom Petty and what they went through just to perform for their fans,it makes me really sad.

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Music meant so much to him. A lot of people don't understand, it's not about the money. Petty or Prince surely did not need the money or fame/ego, and they certainly didn't do it because they had nothing else to do--they did it because it was their love; their passion.

cloveringold85 said:

SoulAlive said:

That's true,but I feel like....if you have to take a ton of pain killers just to perform a show,it's just not worth it I'm sure the fans would agree.When I think about MJ,Prince and now Tom Petty and what they went through just to perform for their fans,it makes me really sad.

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Music meant so much to him. A lot of people don't understand, it's not about the money. Petty or Prince surely did not need the money or fame/ego, and they certainly didn't do it because they had nothing else to do--they did it because it was their love; their passion.

I totally understand that,but I think a person's health should take priority over everything else.

SoulAlive said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Music meant so much to him. A lot of people don't understand, it's not about the money. Petty or Prince surely did not need the money or fame/ego, and they certainly didn't do it because they had nothing else to do--they did it because it was their love; their passion.

I totally understand that,but I think a person's health should take priority over everything else.

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Absolutely, but neither Prince or Petty saw it that way -- I think they both greatly neglected their health.

that is true

PeteSilas said:

Mumio said:

So no one has anything to say about Petty having ingested illegal fentanyl per the autopsy report?

i don't think most of us have really noticed that but now that you mention it, so, he took fentanyl that wasn't prescribed huh?

Pete, check out reply 50 in this thread for a link to the autopsy report.....he was taking legal fentanyl and two other forms, one of which is illegal, a designer drug. I think the family made their statement to try to distract people from noticing that because of course it's right there in the report. It seems to have worked for the most part too.