LittleBLUECorvette said:

It sucks how we as black folks treat black musicians. White rock bands from the 60s 70s and 80s can sell out arenas with no problem. It's the complete opposite with black rock stars.

There's the case that R&B acts didn't sell as much as popular rock bands during those decades because the market was smaller and so the record companies didn't spend as much money to promote R&B acts. There was a reason that acts like Lionel Richie, EWF, Tina Turner, and Kool & The Gang went for the mainstream Top 40 audience as that's where the bigger sales and media coverage was. In the 1960s, the slogan for Motown was "The Sound Of Young America" and Motown had bigger promotion for the acts that had better crossover potential like The Supremes (Diana Ross in paricular) and Mary Wells. White rock bands also sold lots of merchandising like t-shirts and sew on jacket patches. I've seen many people walk around with Led Zeppelin, Metallica, and Beatles shirts. I've never seen anybody in a Teddy Pendergrass, Spinners, or Gap Band t-shirt during their heyday. I saw a lot of New Kids On The Block stuff like lamps, sheets, dolls, and sleeping bags, but nothing like that for New Edition. There's acts like Jimi Hendrix & Bob Marley that have a large white audience get similar merchandising, but more so after they died than when they were alive. I think it's just because that whites were more likely to have money to spend on this kind of stuff back then. They're the ones who will pay for a $200 ticket to see the Eagles or Paul McCartney today. The R&B audience is less likely to spend $200 for one ticket to see Freddie Jackson or Cameo.

mjscarousal said:

A lot of young white kids go out and support those old rock bands like Black sabbath and Rollingstones when they headline arenas and that is why they can sell out because they reach more audiences. IMO, the problem is that the industry does't endorse and promote BLACK veteran or older acts like they do the younger ones and white older acts.

Because of the popularity of big rock bands and Top 40 acts, they were filmed more. That didn't happen as much with acts mainly popular with a black audience. So the big rock bands have footage that can be exploited to new audiences by the labels and/or TV. I've seen VH-1 show a 1970s Wings concert quite often. PBS even show concerts by Beatles & Pink Floyd tribute bands. One of the reasons The Monkees continue to get younger audiences is because they have a TV sitcom that is still rerun, the same way I Love Lucy gets new audiences.

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The majority of major music magazines focused on rock music and rock is documented more than R&B. I've never really seen any magazines focusing on R&B music except teen mags like Right On!, Rock & Soul, & Black Beat. They weren't like Creem or Rolling Stone. In the 1990s, Vibe came about, but there wasn't anything like that before then, except maybe a British mag called Blues & Soul, which I never heard of until the internet. Some got writeups in Ebony & Jet, but that was usually not about their music, and more about their lifestyle like showing off their home or something. There's got to be at least a thousand books about The Beatles since their existence and still get new books written today. I can find a lot of books on Elvis Presley & David Bowie, not so much on Little Richard or Sam Cooke. That's because there's many people that will buy their books.

SoulAlive said:

NorthC said:

In 2007, capricious Sly spoke of having a tremendous stockpile of material, more than 200 tunes, prepared for release. Is he signed to a label? I can't envision him doing radio promotion and televised interviews.

Identity said:

In 2007, capricious Sly spoke of having a tremendous stockpile of material, more than 200 tunes, prepared for release. Is he signed to a label? I can't envision him doing radio promotion and televised interviews.

He has material dating back the 80s. I think he is scared to release it because he is afraid of rejection. At least that's what I have picked up from interviews and articles over the years anyway.

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Not too sure about his label situation. The I'm Back! album was released under Cleopatra Records.

Identity said:

I made no mention of a major label. What about an indie label putting out his songs? Better yet, he could do it myself. Release it, Sly, or somebody else will---posthumously.

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PIMPS!

Identity said:

Man, I love "Yellow Light" on the latest Funkadelic release. Not sure why, but it just works for me.

I'm not that interested in hearing several albums worth of autotuned songs by Sly though. D'Angelo mentioned in an interview a while back that Sly had been playing them to him.

novabrkr said:

Man, I love "Yellow Light" on the latest Funkadelic release. Not sure why, but it just works for me.

I'm not that interested in hearing several albums worth of autotuned songs by Sly though. D'Angelo mentioned in an interview a while back that Sly had been playing them to him.

I agree. Most his appearances on the Funkadelic album were quite saddening to hear to me. Although, I did like "The Naz" which must have been recorded some years back because Sly seems to still have his voice.

purplethunder3121 said:

Those who chose to do drugs can only blame themselves.

http://www.bbc.com/news/w...a-37151146

CocoRock said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Those who chose to do drugs can only blame themselves.

http://www.bbc.com/news/w...a-37151146

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. In order for an addict to recover, they have to accept responsibility for his/her addiction. That's one of the 12 steps to recovery. I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors.

purplethunder3121 said:

CocoRock said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/w...a-37151146

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. In order for an addict to recover, they have to accept responsibility for his/her addiction. That's one of the 12 steps to recovery. I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors.

With all due respect, it has everything to do with what you're on about. others for. "Recover" "responsiblity", and "forced" are all the words of somebody sitting in judgement of addiction with any real knowledge of how it works.

"I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors." Then who are you talking about? What EXACTLY is "etc"? Why is acceptable if it's perscribed by a doctor? And since when is the psuedo-religious program of 12 steps supposed to be the be-all end-all for addiction? You MF's are a trip!

BTW, Prince in fact did NOT take responsiblity for his addiction, did NOT recover, and was not FORCED to do anything, and is now dead. Tell me more about those 12 steps again?

CocoRock said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. In order for an addict to recover, they have to accept responsibility for his/her addiction. That's one of the 12 steps to recovery. I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors.

With all due respect, it has everything to do with what you're on about. others for. "Recover" "responsiblity", and "forced" are all the words of somebody sitting in judgement of addiction with any real knowledge of how it works.

"I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors." Then who are you talking about? What EXACTLY is "etc"? Why is acceptable if it's perscribed by a doctor? And since when is the psuedo-religious program of 12 steps supposed to be the be-all end-all for addiction? You MF's are a trip!

BTW, Prince in fact did NOT take responsiblity for his addiction, did NOT recover, and was not FORCED to do anything, and is now dead. Tell me more about those 12 steps again?

Why don't you tell that to my nephew who has recovered from his street drug addiction but has to work on his sobriety every day. I guess he doesn't know anything about addiction either.

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said: Lol. I thought he looked like a typical bama.

Well he was in Bama mod on the front of those awful album covers. Here is an autobiography about him that I might read one day. I know that I love his and Larry Williams cover of Slow Down.

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CocoRock said:

purplethunder3121 said:

That has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. In order for an addict to recover, they have to accept responsibility for his/her addiction. That's one of the 12 steps to recovery. I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors.

With all due respect, it has everything to do with what you're on about. others for. "Recover" "responsiblity", and "forced" are all the words of somebody sitting in judgement of addiction with any real knowledge of how it works.

"I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors." Then who are you talking about? What EXACTLY is "etc"? Why is acceptable if it's perscribed by a doctor? And since when is the psuedo-religious program of 12 steps supposed to be the be-all end-all for addiction? You MF's are a trip!

BTW, Prince in fact did NOT take responsiblity for his addiction, did NOT recover, and was not FORCED to do anything, and is now dead. Tell me more about those 12 steps again?

He was seeing Dr. S for help withdrawals this factoid is in the warrants so how was he not taking reponsiblity for his problem?

He was a lot of things but I never saw his as a whiner. Dude got himself into plenty of crazy shit but always landed on his feet. I suspect he was handling his problem on his own thinking he could get over it and land on his feet. It is obvious he was making a effort for goodness sakes he did even stop working.

woogiebear said:

laurarichardson said:

Well he was in Bama mod on the front of those awful album covers. Here is an autobiography about him that I might read one day. I know that I love his and Larry Williams cover of Slow Down.

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purplethunder3121 said:

CocoRock said:

With all due respect, it has everything to do with what you're on about. others for. "Recover" "responsiblity", and "forced" are all the words of somebody sitting in judgement of addiction with any real knowledge of how it works.

"I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors." Then who are you talking about? What EXACTLY is "etc"? Why is acceptable if it's perscribed by a doctor? And since when is the psuedo-religious program of 12 steps supposed to be the be-all end-all for addiction? You MF's are a trip!

BTW, Prince in fact did NOT take responsiblity for his addiction, did NOT recover, and was not FORCED to do anything, and is now dead. Tell me more about those 12 steps again?

Why don't you tell that to my nephew who has recovered from his street drug addiction but has to work on his sobriety every day. I guess he doesn't know anything about addiction either.

WTF are you talking about even? Why'd you ignore my questions? Your nephew? Does he have an account here? Tell him to sign up, and I'll tell him what I said. Though I've no idea why.

Also, NO addict has EVER "recovered" from addiction, as you yourself just mentioned, what with him work on his sobriety everyday.

So, no pt3121, it is you who doesn't know anything about addiction, like I said.

laurarichardson said:

CocoRock said:

With all due respect, it has everything to do with what you're on about. others for. "Recover" "responsiblity", and "forced" are all the words of somebody sitting in judgement of addiction with any real knowledge of how it works.

"I'm not talking about people who are forced to take pain killers for injuries etc. from doctors." Then who are you talking about? What EXACTLY is "etc"? Why is acceptable if it's perscribed by a doctor? And since when is the psuedo-religious program of 12 steps supposed to be the be-all end-all for addiction? You MF's are a trip!

BTW, Prince in fact did NOT take responsiblity for his addiction, did NOT recover, and was not FORCED to do anything, and is now dead. Tell me more about those 12 steps again?

He was seeing Dr. S for help withdrawals this factoid is in the warrants so how was he not taking reponsiblity for his problem?

He was a lot of things but I never saw his as a whiner. Dude got himself into plenty of crazy shit but always landed on his feet. I suspect he was handling his problem on his own thinking he could get over it and land on his feet. It is obvious he was making a effort for goodness sakes he did even stop working.

CocoRock said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Why don't you tell that to my nephew who has recovered from his street drug addiction but has to work on his sobriety every day. I guess he doesn't know anything about addiction either.

WTF are you talking about even? Why'd you ignore my questions? Your nephew? Does he have an account here? Tell him to sign up, and I'll tell him what I said. Though I've no idea why.

Also, NO addict has EVER "recovered" from addiction, as you yourself just mentioned, what with him work on his sobriety everyday.

So, no pt3121, it is you who doesn't know anything about addiction, like I said.

Since trolling seems to be your only pass time I'll leave you with it. My nephew and other people I've known who have struggled with "recovering" from drug addiction have had to work on the "recovery" process every day in order to successfully stay off the drugs. Since you don't like that word then, by all means, pick another one. Maybe that "recovery" process didn't work for you but it certainly has for millions of other people.

purplethunder3121 said:

CocoRock said:

WTF are you talking about even? Why'd you ignore my questions? Your nephew? Does he have an account here? Tell him to sign up, and I'll tell him what I said. Though I've no idea why.

Also, NO addict has EVER "recovered" from addiction, as you yourself just mentioned, what with him work on his sobriety everyday.

So, no pt3121, it is you who doesn't know anything about addiction, like I said.

Since trolling seems to be your only pass time I'll leave you with it. My nephew and other people I've known who have struggled with "recovering" from drug addiction have had to work on the "recovery" process every day in order to successfully stay off the drugs. Since you don't like that word then, by all means, pick another one. Maybe that "recovery" process didn't work for you but it certainly has for millions of other people.

Grow up, and use the words you mean. Take an online English course. IDGAF, just don't try to spread the bullshit you base on your ignorance, and think someone who actually been in the trenches of addiction won't call you on it.

While I'm genuinely happy your nephew is doing well, the 12 Steps aren't the way for everybody. Just as disclosing a problem isn't the way for everybody. Like racism (the other topic the org continually drops the ball on), it's a nuanced thing that requires more than one solution.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

NorthC said:

I saw him at the North Sea Jazz Festival in the same year and it went exactly the same way.

Maybe that's part of his act.

You made my day, good one.

laurarichardson said:

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said: Lol. I thought he looked like a typical bama.

Well he was in Bama mod on the front of those awful album covers. Here is an autobiography about him that I might read one day. I know that I love his and Larry Williams cover of Slow Down.

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purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

Wow

How is Sly doing anyway? Last I heard he was living on the streets?

Last I heard about Sly was that he lived in a mobile home--his choice and was still recording music in the mobile home. He also won a law suit that will hopefully provide him for the rest of his life. Living in a mobile rec vehicle or not.

That's what they showed on his Unsung episode. He doesn't want to live in a house.

purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

I do too. The Black legends and pioneers really had to struggle back in the day. Things didn't come easy or was given to them like it is for the stars out now (who seem to take their priveledge for granted). The pioneers had to struggle in order to break through stardom and to put up with racism, discrimination, etc. The industry has destroyed a lot of families, people and communities. I would love for the industry to be exposed but unfornately I don't know when this day will come.

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They still do. I saw Bootsy Collins in a small club a few years ago and he's still amazing (except when his hat wig flew off for a minute! LOL) but, sadly the place didn't sell out and me and other fans couldn't believe it. On the other hand, I went to see George Clinton in 2015 and not only was that concert sold out but there were people lining up just on the off chance that they could buy a ticket to get in!

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George Clinton and Pfunk are still hella popular across the board despite the fact that they never crossed over. When I went to see them I could barely get in for the young white kids in attendance.

But to catch most of the OGs you have to look out for the festival ciruit. For today's legacy acts it's a tad better than the chitlin' circuit back in the days of segregation.

Shit... he high right here! I saw this clip of Sly on a talk show back in the day and his nose kept running. It was sad.

MD431Madcat said:

MR FUNK!

CocoRock said:

laurarichardson said:

He was seeing Dr. S for help withdrawals this factoid is in the warrants so how was he not taking reponsiblity for his problem?

He was a lot of things but I never saw his as a whiner. Dude got himself into plenty of crazy shit but always landed on his feet. I suspect he was handling his problem on his own thinking he could get over it and land on his feet. It is obvious he was making a effort for goodness sakes he did even stop working.

I only respond lest you simple fucks further derail my point. Prince wasn't in NA, working the 12 steps. He hid it, as most addicts do. He hid it well. Too well. The events of 4/21/1996 tell us so.

And who said anything about whining? Or landing on feet?

Seriously, the org has a drug problem.

If he was seeing a doctor for help with withdrawals would that not mean he was withdrawing?

The fact that he was in withdrawals is even mentioned in the search warrants. Don't you think the police would have all of his medical records and know what was going on with his health by this time?

Yes, he hid it so well that for 30 years not one single person he worked with noticed not even his dingback first wife who is saying she is not sure.

None of us have any idea if he had been in rehab before or to NA. What we do know is that for whatever reason he wanted to withdraw from these meds and failed to do so on his own.

What we do know is that he had 65k line item on his inventory report for medical expenses. Could have been for rehab or some other medica problem. The point is we do not have access to his medical records and really should not assume we know his stituation based off the scant info we have and TMZ.

Or the deep knowledge of former drug users.

Take the time to read the warrants and come back when you actually know something.

thesoulbrother said:

Shit... he high right here! I saw this clip of Sly on a talk show back in the day and his nose kept running. It was sad.

MD431Madcat said:

MR FUNK!

He looked high out of his mind. What a waste of genius.

Identity said:

thesoulbrother said:

Shit... he high right here! I saw this clip of Sly on a talk show back in the day and his nose kept running. It was sad.

He looked high out of his mind. What a waste of genius.

He is the true definition of drugged out rock star. He cannot even put a sentence together.