CoolMF said:

Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but Sly also had a habit of not showing up to shows too, I was told once by my pops that He went to see Sly he came out mooned the audience and then split. Some cold shit

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TheOriginalBrothaFiness said:

Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but Sly also had a habit of not showing up to shows too, I was told once by my pops that He went to see Sly he came out mooned the audience and then split. Some cold shit

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According to Bobby Womack, at one point, Sly believed he never missed a show

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The funny thing was, Sly was actually convinced he never missed a gig, nor was even late for one. "Bobby," he told me, "see what happened? The people got there before I left. So they have to wait." It made no sense. He would still be backstage and I'd tell him, "Sly, they've been waiting for hours." "But I ain't missed the gig."

LoveOrConfusion said:

TheOriginalBrothaFiness said:

Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but Sly also had a habit of not showing up to shows too, I was told once by my pops that He went to see Sly he came out mooned the audience and then split. Some cold shit

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According to Bobby Womack, at one point, Sly believed he never missed a show

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The funny thing was, Sly was actually convinced he never missed a gig, nor was even late for one. "Bobby," he told me, "see what happened? The people got there before I left. So they have to wait." It made no sense. He would still be backstage and I'd tell him, "Sly, they've been waiting for hours." "But I ain't missed the gig."

He was Fried lol

LoveOrConfusion said:

babynoz said:

From reading George Clinton's autobiography I got the impression that Sly was a toxic influence that he didn't dare turn his back on even though they were supposed to be friends.

I remember reading in Deborah's book that Sly used to beat the snot out of her too.

Interesting.

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Sly forced her to have an abortion w/ a coat hanger too

Yep,

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LoveOrConfusion said:

Sly was actually a pimp. Deborah also spoke about that in her book.

Sly, Guutar Watson, Bobby Bland and pretty sure a few others were actual pimps.

Johnny guitar Watson?

TheOriginalBrothaFiness said:

they sure looked like some Baaadass mutha Funkers tho'

LoveOrConfusion said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LoveOrConfusion said: I think they were pimps first lol.

Regardless, it's not a good life choice and detrimental to the community.

babynoz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LoveOrConfusion said: Sly, Guutar Watson, Bobby Bland and pretty sure a few others were actual pimps.

Johnny guitar Watson?

Yep. He admitted as much. You never saw his 70's album covers?

babynoz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

LoveOrConfusion said: Sly, Guutar Watson, Bobby Bland and pretty sure a few others were actual pimps.

Johnny guitar Watson?

Johnny and Larry Williams. You should read up on him. He was found dead in his house from a self-inflicted gun shot to the head on his left side despite being right handed. Drug dealer and pimp.

laurarichardson said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

laurarichardson said:

Johnny and Larry Williams. You should read up on him. He was found dead in his house from a self-inflicted gun shot to the head on his left side despite being right handed. Drug dealer and pimp.

Watson blamed himself for that I believe or something. I gotta read the story again. Anyway, would you linken the old school R&B and Blues cats to pimps and you do the rappers to selling dope?

Kind of althought I feel sorry for the old RnB stars. They had it hard because of segregation and the mob influnce over the music industry.

With streaming and different social media platforms artist do not have to be at the beck and call of record companies anymore. No reason to sell drugs to get your music carreer off the ground.

I really hope that when the smoke clears someone writes a book or makes a movie really showing what Prince was saying about the industry and what he was trying to do.

phunkdaddy said:

3 cheers for Pimps!

MD431Madcat said:

MR FUNK!

"UknowhatIbeendoin??"- from "High On You" (1975)

babynoz said:

phunkdaddy said:

Yep. He admitted as much. You never saw his 70's album covers?

Lol. I thought he looked like a typical bama.

Well he was in Bama mod on the front of those awful album covers. Here is an autobiography about him that I might read one day. I know that I love his and Larry Williams cover of Slow Down.

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https://www.amazon.com/dp/1495337324/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

laurarichardson said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Sly was not the problem. P-Funk was into drugs before Sly got with them. Sly was into drugs before he joined P-Funk. The first record he appears in was Electric Spanking. They had already peaked by 1981.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

2 out of 90 Funkadelic members lol. But seriously I think it was more of his appearances not studio recordings. He's onlyon what like 4-4 songs in their catalog. Like Ruffin to the Tempts. They weren't goin strong, 76-79 was their strongest. By 81 not so much. They hadn't had a hit record since 79.

Good points.

laurarichardson said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

laurarichardson said: Watson blamed himself for that I believe or something. I gotta read the story again. Anyway, would you linken the old school R&B and Blues cats to pimps and you do the rappers to selling dope?

Kind of althought I feel sorry for the old RnB stars. They had it hard because of segregation and the mob influnce over the music industry.

With streaming and different social media platforms artist do not have to be at the beck and call of record companies anymore. No reason to sell drugs to get your music carreer off the ground.

I really hope that when the smoke clears someone writes a book or makes a movie really showing what Prince was saying about the industry and what he was trying to do.

I do too. The Black legends and pioneers really had to struggle back in the day. Things didn't come easy or was given to them like it is for the stars out now (who seem to take their priveledge for granted). The pioneers had to struggle in order to break through stardom and to put up with racism, discrimination, etc. The industry has destroyed a lot of families, people and communities. I would love for the industry to be exposed but unfornately I don't know when this day will come.

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mjscarousal said:

laurarichardson said:

Kind of althought I feel sorry for the old RnB stars. They had it hard because of segregation and the mob influnce over the music industry.

With streaming and different social media platforms artist do not have to be at the beck and call of record companies anymore. No reason to sell drugs to get your music carreer off the ground.

I really hope that when the smoke clears someone writes a book or makes a movie really showing what Prince was saying about the industry and what he was trying to do.

I do too. The Black legends and pioneers really had to struggle back in the day. Things didn't come easy or was given to them like it is for the stars out now (who seem to take their priveledge for granted). The pioneers had to struggle in order to break through stardom and to put up with racism, discrimination, etc. The industry has destroyed a lot of families, people and communities. I would love for the industry to be exposed but unfornately I don't know when this day will come.

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They still do. I saw Bootsy Collins in a small club a few years ago and he's still amazing (except when his hat wig flew off for a minute! LOL) but, sadly the place didn't sell out and me and other fans couldn't believe it. On the other hand, I went to see George Clinton in 2015 and not only was that concert sold out but there were people lining up just on the off chance that they could buy a ticket to get in!

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purplethunder3121 said:

TheOriginalBrothaFiness said:

SoulAlive said:

TheOriginalBrothaFiness said:

Not sure if anyone had mentioned this but Sly also had a habit of not showing up to shows too, I was told once by my pops that He went to see Sly he came out mooned the audience and then split. Some cold shit

I saw a Sly Stone performance in 2007 and it was sad and embarassing.The band came out,did 3 songs and then finally Sly walks out onstage.He sits at his keyboards,mumbles a few lyrics,and then 10 minutes later,he's gone! The band continued the show without him for several more songs and then Sly later re-appears.By that point,most of the audience was leaving.I was really disappointed.

It really is amazing that he is still alive...

purplethunder3121 said:

mjscarousal said:

I do too. The Black legends and pioneers really had to struggle back in the day. Things didn't come easy or was given to them like it is for the stars out now (who seem to take their priveledge for granted). The pioneers had to struggle in order to break through stardom and to put up with racism, discrimination, etc. The industry has destroyed a lot of families, people and communities. I would love for the industry to be exposed but unfornately I don't know when this day will come.

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They still do. I saw Bootsy Collins in a small club a few years ago and he's still amazing (except when his hat wig flew off for a minute! LOL) but, sadly the place didn't sell out and me and other fans couldn't believe it. On the other hand, I went to see George Clinton in 2015 and not only was that concert sold out but there were people lining up just on the off chance that they could buy a ticket to get in!

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Wow

How is Sly doing anyway? Last I heard he was living on the streets?

LittleBLUECorvette said:

purplethunder3121 said:

They still do. I saw Bootsy Collins in a small club a few years ago and he's still amazing (except when his hat wig flew off for a minute! LOL) but, sadly the place didn't sell out and me and other fans couldn't believe it. On the other hand, I went to see George Clinton in 2015 and not only was that concert sold out but there were people lining up just on the off chance that they could buy a ticket to get in!

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It sucks how we as black folks treat black musicians. White rock bands from the 60s 70s and 80s can sell out arenas with no problem. It's the complete opposite with black rock stars.

This is not true because Frankie Beverly and Maze ALWAYS sell out arenas and a large reason for that is because of the Black dollar and when those old school acts headline with other old school acts they usually sell out arenas. I WILL say Black youth don't support Black legends or veterans and that is simply because there not exposed to the music. A lot of young white kids go out and support those old rock bands like Black sabbath and Rollingstones when they headline arenas and that is why they can sell out because they reach more audiences.IMO, the problem is that the industry does't endorse and promote BLACK veteran or older acts like they do the younger ones and white older acts. When was the last time we saw Patti perform at the grammys? or Charlie Wilson? These are great great pioneers that still got it on stage. They could use some needed shine and promotion too. Its not a fair distribution of promotion and shine given to veteran artists who have been in the game 40 years are longer.

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mjscarousal said:

purplethunder3121 said:

They still do. I saw Bootsy Collins in a small club a few years ago and he's still amazing (except when his hat wig flew off for a minute! LOL) but, sadly the place didn't sell out and me and other fans couldn't believe it. On the other hand, I went to see George Clinton in 2015 and not only was that concert sold out but there were people lining up just on the off chance that they could buy a ticket to get in!

[Edited 5/3/17 15:56pm]

Wow

How is Sly doing anyway? Last I heard he was living on the streets?

Last I heard about Sly was that he lived in a mobile home--his choice and was still recording music in the mobile home. He also won a law suit that will hopefully provide him for the rest of his life. Living in a mobile rec vehicle or not.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

This is not true because Frankie Beverly and Maze ALWAYS sell out arenas and a large reason for that is because of the Black dollar and when those old school acts headline with other old school acts they usually sell out arenas. I WILL say Black youth don't support Black legends or veterans and that is simply because there not exposed to the music. A lot of young white kids go out and support those old rock bands like Black sabbath and Rollingstones when they headline arenas and that is why they can sell out because they reach more audiences.IMO, the problem is that the industry does't endorse and promote BLACK veteran or older acts like they do the younger ones and white older acts. When was the last time we saw Patti perform at the grammys? or Charlie Wilson? These are great great pioneers that still got it on stage. They could use some needed shine and promotion too. Its not a fair distribution of promotion and shine given to veteran artists who have been in the game 40 years are longer.

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They sell out smaller theaters not a sports arena. I will say they are probably the best selling oldies act everytime they come in town the radio promotes it. Even more so then bigger black acts like OJays, Isleys and EWF.

They headlined a arena where I live at (they probably had other acts on the bill), I am not sure if they do arena tours but they have played them(Frankie Beverly and Maze) in recent years but I think overall your right about the others.

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mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

They headlined a arena where I live at (they probably had other acts on the bill), I am not sure if they do arena tours but they have played them(Frankie Beverly and Maze) in recent years but I think overall your right about the others.

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True, they'll do an arena but with like Confunkshun, Morris Day and Time, Midnight Star, something like that. But you have acts like Aerosmith, Depche Mode, ect who can still fill an arena in their own. Hell, New Kids on Block came back and were selling out like it was 1989 again. Meanwhile Boyz II Men probably can't fill up a high school auditorium.

I just looked up some of there tour dates and past tour dates and they have headlined arenas by themself. In fact, they headlined the same arenas Madonna, Janet, Prince etc headlined. Now they dont just do arenas (which I suspected), they do festivals and theaters too but they have headlined arenas by themselves but I agree overall its not a whole lot of Black old school bands that do.