Germanegro said:

RJOrion said:

i know i said i was done... but what you just typed clearly shows it was the OP and Bruno Mars talking about "black music giving america its swag"...thats the only thing said anywhere in this thread about race... you seem to be the ONLY one from that point, focusing on race... but since you took it there, a brown man being racist, against another brown man who is virtually the same color, is a farfetched concept, that only a non-black/brown man could conjure up...but you continue to expose your own racial insecurities, so keep going...

But enough about nature, and more on our RJOrion's critique of Bruno and Dasein's attack of the critique--to claim RJO's statments toward non-black, brown people (lol) "swagger-jacking and style-biting" contributed to a thread with a title incorporating the term "Black Music [whatever else]" is racist is a weak justification for a heated discussion on what B. Mars is doing and condescendingly telling one "to grow the [feck] up". Like RJO says, I'd agree that Dasein placed some words in his mouth I dare say. Let's all grow up to the sky and give it a high-five.

You aren't getting the point either.

What RJ said is inherently racist. Now, RJ may not be aware of it, but considering the context of this
thread is about Bruno Mars, who performs a style/genre of music generated and popularized by Black
American artists, and is not a Black American himself, to call Bruno Mars a "swagger-jacker" and
"style biter" is contextually racist as it implies that RJ wouldn't call Bruno Mars those things if Bruno
Mars was a Black American, because he couldn't be swagger jacking and style biting from sources
his own culture generated and popularized!

I'm talking about chess, and y'all talking about checkers. Look at the context of the thread; and then
look at who we call "swagger-jackers" and "style-biters" and if you pay attention, even if RJ didn't
mean to be racist, his accusations about the fidelity of Bruno Mars' devotion to a Black American art
form is fucking racist.

I don't like racists and I don't like racism, even if it was unintentional.

RJOrion said:

wonder505 said:

I'm routing for Bruno. His mic is always on, he uses live instruments, he can dance and sing and his songs are fun.

Me too. I don't know wtf people are not getting....

Bruno has made it clear, again and again that he is NOT here to reinvent the wheel, break new ground or produce insightful, navel gazing content. He can sing, play and dance his ass off, does NOT pretend to be anything other than who he is AND I FUCKING LOVE HIM FOR IT!!!

Why people are STILL whining and making absurd, harebrained comments accusing him of brainwashing of all things is beyond me.

I'm just grateful as hell that at least somebody is making a damn good effort at doing funk anymore.

This is the same kind of fuckery we heard from people who didn't like Condensate.

babynoz said:

wonder505 said:

I'm routing for Bruno. His mic is always on, he uses live instruments, he can dance and sing and his songs are fun.

Me too. I don't know wtf people are not getting....

Bruno has made it clear, again and again that he is NOT here to reinvent the wheel, break new ground or produce insightful, navel gazing content. He can sing, play and dance his ass off, does NOT pretend to be anything other than who he is AND I FUCKING LOVE HIM FOR IT!!!

Why people are STILL whining and making absurd, harebrained comments accusing him of brainwashing of all things is beyond me.

I'm just grateful as hell that at least somebody is making a damn good effort at doing funk anymore.

This is the same kind of fuckery we heard from people who didn't like Condensate.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I dont need to add anything to this because you said it all!

Also big shout-out to Dasein, Shawy89 and MotownSubdivision--agree with y'all said as well.

And to you clueless haters that continue to run up in every Bruno Mars thread here only to bash him with the same old tired he's not original, a swagger-jacker, copycat nonsense...did you even read the article? Probably not, you just wanna come here and complain about him...again.


This whole of thing of if an artist isnt completely 100% original and pays homage to a certain style of old is somehow a fraud and should be condemned is complete and utter BULL!

An artist does not have to completely reinvent the wheel to be great--and Bruno is great at what he does, which is making fun, harmless music that hearkens back to the 70s, 80s and 90s. Plus he's one helluva live performer.

So haters, stop wasting your time on bashing Bruno and find something more constructive to do with yourselves and let Bruno be great.

[Edited 2/1/17 12:20pm]

^

I agree. Bruno Mars is fun; if I had some kids, I would take them to go see him live, and
Beyonce live too.

Scorp said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Scorp said:

bingo......lolll

and the thing is, NO culture of music is giving out swag right about now as bad as the industry is right now.....everything has been tapped out.....

So much ignorance. We complain all the time that mainstrram music today sucks and how we miss the sounds of the past, we actually get an artist who replicates those classic sounds perfectly, can sing, dance, play instruments and perform live and all you do is whine that he's not original as if only innovative music can be good. Instead of this irrational, nonsensical bitching and moaning you guys do every time a topic on Bruno is made, you should instead be happy that we have a mainstream artist who clearly has respect for his predecessors and simply likes to create the music he was raised on amd influenced by. If you're not a fan then stop polluting topics about him and whining incessantly about how because he isn't James Brown, Rick James, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Prince or any of your favorite old school names, he's a swagger-jacker. Your persistent crying over Bruno is beyond annoying at this point. Get over it already.

THIS ALL DAY. Re-quoting for emphasis.

[Edited 2/1/17 12:23pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

babynoz said:

Me too. I don't know wtf people are not getting....

Bruno has made it clear, again and again that he is NOT here to reinvent the wheel, break new ground or produce insightful, navel gazing content. He can sing, play and dance his ass off, does NOT pretend to be anything other than who he is AND I FUCKING LOVE HIM FOR IT!!!

Why people are STILL whining and making absurd, harebrained comments accusing him of brainwashing of all things is beyond me.

I'm just grateful as hell that at least somebody is making a damn good effort at doing funk anymore.

This is the same kind of fuckery we heard from people who didn't like Condensate.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I dont need to add anything to this because you said it all!

Also big shout-out to Dasein, Shawy89 and MotownSubdivision--agree with y'all said as well.

And to you clueless haters that continue to run up in every Bruno Mars thread here only to bash him with the same old tired he's not original, a swagger-jacker, copycat nonsense...did you even read the article? Probably not, you just wanna come here and complain about him...again.


This whole of thing of if an artist isnt completely 100% original and pays homage to a certain style of old is somehow a fraud and should be condemned is complete and utter BULL!

An artist does not have to completely reinvent the wheel to be great--and Bruno is great at what he does, which is making fun, harmless music that hearkens back to the 70s, 80s and 90s. Plus he's one helluva live performer.

So haters, stop wasting your time on bashing Bruno and find something more constructive to do with yourselves and let Bruno be great.

[Edited 2/1/17 12:20pm]

MotownSubdivision said:

So much ignorance. We complain all the time that mainstrram music today sucks and how we miss the sounds of the past, we actually get an artist who replicates those classic sounds perfectly, can sing, dance, play instruments and perform live and all you do is whine that he's not original as if only innovative music can be good. Instead of this irrational, nonsensical bitching and moaning you guys do every time a topic on Bruno is made, you should instead be happy that we have a mainstream artist who clearly has respect for his predecessors and simply likes to create the music he was raised on amd influenced by. If you're not a fan then stop polluting topics about him and whining incessantly about how because he isn't James Brown, Rick James, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Prince or any of your favorite old school names, he's a swagger-jacker. Your persistent crying over Bruno is beyond annoying at this point. Get over it already.

Guess what the number speak louder than words and we all know and recorgnize that the shit is good! his talent cant be beat. Nothing more to be said. Plus the album is good. A little cliche in parts but worthy of buying. Tracks like Chunky, That's What i Like, Finess, 24K Magic and Perm stand out amongst his peers.

Dasein said:

Germanegro said:

But enough about nature, and more on our RJOrion's critique of Bruno and Dasein's attack of the critique--to claim RJO's statments toward non-black, brown people (lol) "swagger-jacking and style-biting" contributed to a thread with a title incorporating the term "Black Music [whatever else]" is racist is a weak justification for a heated discussion on what B. Mars is doing and condescendingly telling one "to grow the [feck] up". Like RJO says, I'd agree that Dasein placed some words in his mouth I dare say. Let's all grow up to the sky and give it a high-five.

You aren't getting the point either.

What RJ said is inherently racist. Now, RJ may not be aware of it, but considering the context of this
thread is about Bruno Mars, who performs a style/genre of music generated and popularized by Black
American artists, and is not a Black American himself, to call Bruno Mars a "swagger-jacker" and
"style biter" is contextually racist as it implies that RJ wouldn't call Bruno Mars those things if Bruno
Mars was a Black American, because he couldn't be swagger jacking and style biting from sources
his own culture generated and popularized!

I'm talking about chess, and y'all talking about checkers. Look at the context of the thread; and then
look at who we call "swagger-jackers" and "style-biters" and if you pay attention, even if RJ didn't
mean to be racist, his accusations about the fidelity of Bruno Mars' devotion to a Black American art
form is fucking racist.

I don't like racists and I don't like racism, even if it was unintentional.

Sure I get what you're saying and trying to convince people of. If B. Mars were a pale-skinned and blond euro guy you'd be marching RJO down the negro-racist hall-of-shame for sure, but I remain unconvinced to want to call RJO's comments toward B. Mars as racist against non-blacks or whatever category of individual (isn't he some bit African, anyway? Maybe I'll look this up). I simply feel that your argument is hypercritical toward RJO's speech critiquing the (great) Bruno Mars, and simply overinterprets RJO's choice of terms. That's just me. Chess to checkers, side to side, play on.

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I do need to check out the new album, at any rate--looking forward to it!

It's all an act. But it's a good one. I like his voice too.

Some of you orgers need to throw some perm on your attitude.

Gunsnhalen said:

Love him!!!!

Gunsnhalen said:

Some of you orgers need to throw some perm on your attitude.

Lol!!!

MotownSubdivision said:

Scorp said:

bingo......lolll

and the thing is, NO culture of music is giving out swag right about now as bad as the industry is right now.....everything has been tapped out.....

So much ignorance. We complain all the time that mainstrram music today sucks and how we miss the sounds of the past, we actually get an artist who replicates those classic sounds perfectly, can sing, dance, play instruments and perform live and all you do is whine that he's not original as if only innovative music can be good. Instead of this irrational, nonsensical bitching and moaning you guys do every time a topic on Bruno is made, you should instead be happy that we have a mainstream artist who clearly has respect for his predecessors and simply likes to create the music he was raised on amd influenced by. If you're not a fan then stop polluting topics about him and whining incessantly about how because he isn't James Brown, Rick James, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Prince or any of your favorite old school names, he's a swagger-jacker. Your persistent crying over Bruno is beyond annoying at this point. Get over it already.

The music today don't measure up but it's the reason why that's the problem, not that it don't measure up in of itself....

it wasn't just black music that was at the highest level, but all forms of music were at its highest level

this ain't about an individual, it's not about Bruno Mars, this problem has exascerbating for the past quarter century......

the issue is the environment that came into existence after music had reached its fulfillment, a fulfillment that should have continued way beyond that point.....

if the environment was conducive to cultivating the talent of the young aspiring artists coming up, rather than encouraging them to always borrow from the past,

then they would be able to create their own style and expression, and stand on their own merit, and I guarantee if they allowed themselves to do it, and that spark is lit, they would feel a sense of satisfaction they never felt and wouldn't have to feel the need to continue borrowing from the past and we wouldn't have to keep talking about it and we won't have to compare all the time

because if sampling was somehow outruled, then they would be forced to create their own music

because if you keep on relying on the past, then you're not really going to inspire those in the future....

you can learn from the past regarding anything that was of high regard and high standard, but continuing to borrow from it, then eventually the well runs dry because you're not tapping into your own creative energy

plus the R&B artists shouldn't need to depend on young contemporaries to help the public remember who they were

they should be in position to where they receive the support of the industry directly and make sure they receive their due recognition visibly

If I was an artist, I would feel the greatest thrill creating a fresh body of music where I didn't rely on sampling....I would absolutely love it and be very proud,

the issue is that today's artists feel they can't do it...

but if yesterday's artists were able to do it, than any generation of artists can do the same thing, and that way, they won't have to worry about lawsuits and copyright infringements.....

It's definitely possible......I've always believe that....anything is possible

[Edited 2/2/17 5:30am]

He feels guilty.

babynoz said:

Gunsnhalen said:

babynoz said:

wonder505 said:

I'm routing for Bruno. His mic is always on, he uses live instruments, he can dance and sing and his songs are fun.

Me too. I don't know wtf people are not getting....

Bruno has made it clear, again and again that he is NOT here to reinvent the wheel, break new ground or produce insightful, navel gazing content. He can sing, play and dance his ass off, does NOT pretend to be anything other than who he is AND I FUCKING LOVE HIM FOR IT!!!

Why people are STILL whining and making absurd, harebrained comments accusing him of brainwashing of all things is beyond me.

I'm just grateful as hell that at least somebody is making a damn good effort at doing funk anymore.

This is the same kind of fuckery we heard from people who didn't like Condensate.

AMEN!!!!

alphastreet said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Some of you orgers need to throw some perm on your attitude.

I swear I read something else

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

RJOrion said:

this guy gives me the creeps...no disrespect to his many fans...ive even tried to listen to his music and watch his performances...but, hell no... the machine is trying to brainwash the world into believing he's that hot shit...i refuse to be led astray...

I had liked a few songs at first...then tried to watch him live (Super Bowl) and couldn't get through the entire show

Gunsnhalen said:

Some of you orgers need to throw some perm on your attitude.

YYYASS YAAAAS

Shawy89 said:

alphastreet said:

I swear I read something else

I also read "Sperm" first when Bruno released the tracklist.

MotownSubdivision said:

So much ignorance.

We complain all the time that mainstrram music today sucks and how we miss the sounds of the past, we actually get an artist who replicates those classic sounds perfectly, can sing, dance, play instruments and perform live and all you do is whine that he's not original as if only innovative music can be good.


. . . you should instead be happy that we have a mainstream artist who clearly has respect for his predecessors and simply likes to create the music he was raised on amd influenced by. If you're not a fan then stop polluting topics about him and whining incessantly about how because he isn't James Brown, Rick James, George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, Prince or any of your favorite old school names, he's a swagger-jacker.

Agreed. I don't even listen to the guy but from what I've seen of him, he brings everything to the table we claim is missing from pop music, and "black music."

IIRC, as he rose to fame, Prince was often accused by older music fans of taking pages from Sly's and Jimi's playbooks.

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namepeace said:

MotownSubdivision said:

namepeace said:

Agreed. I don't even listen to the guy but from what I've seen of him, he brings everything to the table we claim is missing from pop music, and "black music."

IIRC, as he rose to fame, Prince was often accused by older music fans of taking pages from Sly's and Jimi's playbooks.

[Edited 2/3/17 7:20am]

Prince indeed took pages out of their books and others' books (Little Richard, James Brown) but Prince developed his own style and look and wrote his own book. Bruno doesn't really have an identity (or as strong an identity) outside of "that guy who makes fun old school sounding music". He's recognizable and has a distinct sounding voice and makes distinct-sounding music in today's mainstream scene but he doesn't have a unique persona like Prince quickly developed. [Edited 2/3/17 8:17am]

Preaching to the choir . . . I agree.

Going back to your earlier post . . . newer artists are often criticized by audiences for aping the styles and sounds of artists before them. What you're talking about here -- the building of a distinct identity and distinguished body of work -- is what distinguishes the good from the great, and the great from the legendary.

Bruno's good, and that should be good enough for us all. He knows how to sing, dance, play and perform. Let's roll with that, or if not, just leave him be and see where he goes.

I don't care if Bruno is black, mixed, pink or blue... his music is the shit, minus the the.

Ain't nobody gone be checking his shit in twenty years time, like they still are with MJ, Prince, Madonna etc.

namepeace said:

MotownSubdivision said:

namepeace said: Prince indeed took pages out of their books and others' books (Little Richard, James Brown) but Prince developed his own style and look and wrote his own book. Bruno doesn't really have an identity (or as strong an identity) outside of "that guy who makes fun old school sounding music". He's recognizable and has a distinct sounding voice and makes distinct-sounding music in today's mainstream scene but he doesn't have a unique persona like Prince quickly developed. [Edited 2/3/17 8:17am]

Preaching to the choir . . . I agree.

Going back to your earlier post . . . newer artists are often criticized by audiences for aping the styles and sounds of artists before them. What you're talking about here -- the building of a distinct identity and distinguished body of work -- is what distinguishes the good from the great, and the great from the legendary.

Bruno's good, and that should be good enough for us all. He knows how to sing, dance, play and perform. Let's roll with that, or if not, just leave him be and see where he goes.

Here, here gentlemenz.....I wholly concur...

I would add that being only three albums into the game, it's still early enough for him to develop a distinct persona soundwise. Stylewise, he seems to be doing well with the 50s style Miami Beach retiree garb thingy. We ladies think it's cute.

Musically I expect him to remain primarily a song and dance man for the time being, and like you said, let's leave him be because ain't nothing wrong with that and he's damn good at it.

He is an artist, so if livng life and gaining experience takes him in a different direction, then so be it. I believe he has the talent to evolve in any way he sees fit.