Now Carlos has "apologized" :

http://www.rollingstone.c...er-w467183

MotownSubdivision said:

She had no business singing at Obama's inauguration in the first place.

Why not?

jjhunsecker said:

jjhunsecker said:

PennyPurple said:

MotownSubdivision said:

PennyPurple said:

Why not?

Because she was singing someone else's song, specifically Etta James' song and Etta James was still alive. It would have meant more if someone like Etta who lived through the fire of Jim Crow America, a time where the mere idea of a black president wasn't even plausible, to sing for the first ever black president. Instead of the genuine article, we got Beyonce who played as Etta James in Cadillac Records. Very disrespectful to such an important figure in music to have someone singing her very own song on such a grand platform. Imagine if they cast Katy Perry as Barbra Streisand in the latter's biopic and shortly after Katy is invited to sing one of Barbra's songs at the president-elect's inauguration while the real Barbra Streisand is alive and still capable of singing. It would be called out and we'd probably never hear the end of it.

That has more to do with the obamas committee and staff choosing her than beyonce herself. Wouldnt it?

heathilly said:

Beyonce is not even a more talented songwriter than Britney Spears, who is, for many, the poster child for talenless from the music industry.

Survivor, possibly the only hit she ever wrote, but not composed, is a lot less impressive than writing Everytime, of which there's concrete evidence Spears composed it.

mnbvc said:

heathilly said:

mnbvc said:

Beyonce is not even a more talented songwriter than Britney Spears, who is, for many, the poster child for talenless from the music industry.

Survivor, possibly the only hit she ever wrote, but not composed, is a lot less impressive than writing Everytime, of which there's concrete evidence Spears composed it.

I think it's clear that beyonces not a songwriter. She probably does write the words though for the most part. But today like all music its producer driven. But she talented in other areas I liken her to like Elvis in that way.

Please no. That man hardly touched anything creatively. And he couldn't even dance lol.

This is an interesting response to an article on the Medium Daily Digest website, where the author is complaining about Beyonce's loss . I don't fully agree with the guy, but he has some very valid points :

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FullLipsDotNose said:

heathilly said:

mnbvc said: I think it's clear that beyonces not a songwriter. She probably does write the words though for the most part. But today like all music its producer driven. But she talented in other areas I liken her to like Elvis in that way.

Please no. That man hardly touched anything creatively. And he couldn't even dance lol.

Elvis was a great artist, one of the greatest vocalists of all time, who could handle a variety of different styles with ease. Beyonce couldn't shine his shoes ...

jjhunsecker said:

Beyonce lost the award because Lemonade is not a good or great album full of great, solid songs. Its an advertisement for her brand. And it’s evident by all the money spent turning the entire record into a movie so you would WATCH the songs in video form.

Stop. Stop. Stop.

Lemonade is a terrible record. Most of the songs are completely forgettable. It was only nominated because her brand is so big and there’s no one else as famous as her. She’s actually a “token”. You should be more upset because she is all you’ve got representing.

I wish the Grammy committee could come up with another brown person with a hot batch of killer songs. A real recording ARTIST, not someone who’s choreographed dancing (excellent btw) overshadows the music being danced to. Someone who’s music is great and can actually beat a songwriting machine like Beck, Swift or Adele.

jjhunsecker said:

It's hard for me to be so broken up over Beyonce not winning the Album of the Year Grammy, when I know that the following never won, and in many cases were never even nominated : Bruce Springsteen, James Brown, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Metallica, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Elvis Presley, Elvis Costello, The Clash, Bob Seger, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bob Dylan, The Band, BB King, Muddy Waters, Queen, Pink Floyd, P-Funk, Earth Wind and Fire, Chic, Dionne Warwick, Gladys Knight, Etta James, The Beach Boys, Van Morrison, Van Halen, Prince- ALL of them artists I think are superior to Beyonce...but that's just my opinion . Hell, THE BEATLES only won ONCE !!

Good, i'm with you. Grammy for best argument of this thread goes to...yeah bitch you got it.

214 said:

jjhunsecker said:

It's hard for me to be so broken up over Beyonce not winning the Album of the Year Grammy, when I know that the following never won, and in many cases were never even nominated : Bruce Springsteen, James Brown, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Metallica, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Elvis Presley, Elvis Costello, The Clash, Bob Seger, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bob Dylan, The Band, BB King, Muddy Waters, Queen, Pink Floyd, P-Funk, Earth Wind and Fire, Chic, Dionne Warwick, Gladys Knight, Etta James, The Beach Boys, Van Morrison, Van Halen, Prince- ALL of them artists I think are superior to Beyonce...but that's just my opinion . Hell, THE BEATLES only won ONCE !!

Good, i'm with you. Grammy for best argument of this thread goes to...yeah bitch you got it.

Thanks, I just want to put it all in perspective...from the very start, in 1958, the Grammys have been a pretty conservative organization (artistically, not necessarily politically). Sure, Beyonce lost (though she has 22 awards), but there are lots of people even better than her who have very few , or none, or were never even nominated ....

jjhunsecker said:

214 said:

Good, i'm with you. Grammy for best argument of this thread goes to...yeah bitch you got it.

Thanks, I just want to put it all in perspective...from the very start, in 1958, the Grammys have been a pretty conservative organization (artistically, not necessarily politically). Sure, Beyonce lost (though she has 22 awards), but there are lots of people even better than her who have very few , or none, or were never even nominated ....

Prince, Michael, Sly and The Family Stone, The Beatles, Dylan. By the way today i was watching some of the Lemonade videos, great videos and visually beautiful, but a little bit pretentious. Havin said that, Lemonade is indeed a great album.

jjhunsecker said:

It's hard for me to be so broken up over Beyonce not winning the Album of the Year Grammy, when I know that the following never won, and in many cases were never even nominated : Bruce Springsteen, James Brown, The Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Metallica, Aretha Franklin, Marvin Gaye, Curtis Mayfield, Elvis Presley, Elvis Costello, The Clash, Bob Seger, Creedence Clearwater Revival, Bob Dylan, The Band, BB King, Muddy Waters, Queen, Pink Floyd, P-Funk, Earth Wind and Fire, Chic, Dionne Warwick, Gladys Knight, Etta James, The Beach Boys, Van Morrison, Van Halen, Prince- ALL of them artists I think are superior to Beyonce...but that's just my opinion . Hell, THE BEATLES only won ONCE !!

Very well said and I totally agree!

jjhunsecker said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

Please no. That man hardly touched anything creatively. And he couldn't even dance lol.

Elvis was a great artist, one of the greatest vocalists of all time, who could handle a variety of different styles with ease. Beyonce couldn't shine his shoes ...

Ok your right Elvis dancing is overrated forreal theres actually people who say whos a better dancer elvis or michael jackson I than proceed to jump off a cliff to see if im in a nightmare. But in all seriousness elvis was a good singer and face for sell white america black music.

SoulAlive said:

jjhunsecker said:

Now Carlos has "apologized" :

http://www.rollingstone.c...er-w467183

He shouldn't apologize.He was speaking the truth.

Shoot--wish he hadn't backed down.

Everyone has got an opinion, but Stevie disagrees with Santana: http://www.billboard.com/...erock-2016

214 said:

Everyone has got an opinion, but Stevie disagrees with Santana: http://www.billboard.com/...erock-2016

Its amazing how big this convo has gotten and I like hearing black legends voices to bad prince isnt here anymore I know he wouldve commented also.

heathilly said:

214 said:

Everyone has got an opinion, but Stevie disagrees with Santana: http://www.billboard.com/...erock-2016

Its amazing how big this convo has gotten and I like hearing black legends voices to bad prince isnt here anymore I know he wouldve commented also.

The link re: Stevie's comments go back to last year. Has he commented recently?

Still, Stevie is magnanimous very supportive of many contemporary artists.

Prince made his feelings known with a look, when he had to read Beck's name at the 2015 Grammys for AOTY. I felt for Beck, who clearly deeply admires Prince, but Prince felt like maybe Bey should have gotten that one.

heathilly said:

mnbvc said:

Beyonce is not even a more talented songwriter than Britney Spears, who is, for many, the poster child for talenless from the music industry.

Survivor, possibly the only hit she ever wrote, but not composed, is a lot less impressive than writing Everytime, of which there's concrete evidence Spears composed it.

I think it's clear that beyonces not a songwriter. She probably does write the words though for the most part. But today like all music its producer driven. But she talented in other areas I liken her to like Elvis in that way.

It's a big stretch to assert this because of the various co-writers per song she's had on every hit/single she's released as a solo recording artist AND as a member of Destiny's Child and, even more importantly, the fact that those co-writers have an established history of writing credits to their name.

She did not concieve any of these songs and merely added some lyrics. She may have added different things vocally, but so do other artists and they do recieve writing credits.

It comes back to Survivor as likely the only song Beyonce's written, which was composed by Anthony Dent and co-written by Matthew Knowles, but can anyone argue this is anything special lyrically?

I think she's arguably a great entertainer simply because of her stage presence and the fact that she's given high energy performances for a number of years. She is overrated as a dancer though because she might be the only "dancer" that doesn't have actual dance steps when she dances.

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mnbvc said:

heathilly said:

mnbvc said: I think it's clear that beyonces not a songwriter. She probably does write the words though for the most part. But today like all music its producer driven. But she talented in other areas I liken her to like Elvis in that way.

It's a big stretch to assert this because of the various co-writers per song she's had on every hit/single she's released as a solo recording artist AND as a member of Destiny's Child and, even more importantly, the fact that those co-writers have an established history of writing credits to their name.

She did not concieve any of these songs and merely added some lyrics. She may have added different things vocally, but so do other artists and they do recieve writing credits.

It comes back to Survivor as likely the only song Beyonce's written, which was composed by Anthony Dent and co-written by Matthew Knowles, but can anyone argue this is anything special lyrically?

I think she's arguably a great entertainer simply because of her stage presence and the fact that she's given high energy performances for a number of years. She is overrated as a dancer though because she might be the only "dancer" that doesn't have actual dance steps when she dances.

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When I meant she writes the words. As an artist an a songwriter I view beyonce as more of director who has a vision and knows what she wants conceptually than she makes people do it and she might add her own personal words and touches. Like she choose tracks from producers and says some stuff and someone else says some stuff and etc. To be fair to her though pretty much all the artist do that today. Drake Rihanna etc.

It's gotten to the point where,Beyonce is worshipped so much that,when she doesn't win a major award,it becomes a major news story This is insane! I'm surprised that the BeyHive folks aren't petitioning their local Congressmen to reverse the Grammy results,LOL

SoulAlive said:

duh. she's obviously a good singer. all this comparing one performer to another.

IstenSzek said:

duh. she's obviously a good singer. all this comparing one performer to another.

She really is, beautiful performance, just don't tell mjcarousel

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214 said:

IstenSzek said:

duh. she's obviously a good singer. all this comparing one performer to another.

She really is, beautiful performance, just don't tell mjcarousel

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