Depeche Mode are like the Metallica of their own genre, synthpop. The biggest band of the genre, almost synonymous with the genre itself in many people's minds. I think they'd deserve to get in more than any other act from this bunch and I'm not even really a fan.

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... then again, inducting them before Kraftwerk might feel a bit weird. Kraftwerk are like the Chuck Berry of rhythmic, electronic music.

[Edited 10/20/16 11:42am]

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

Rick James was (literally!) a punchline at the time he died, for reasons having absolutely nothing to do with his music or his talent. People probably still are impacted by Dave Chappelle's spoof of him.

James Brown was a punchline from Eddie Murphy, MJ from everyone. What does that even mean?

Hey, I'm not saying it's fair. Just saying that if there is a reason Rick hasn't at least been nominated while others have gotten nods, or induction, the Chappelle thing could have played a role.

You're right about JB. Recall also that Prince was parodied so well the very next week that he, like Rick, got in on the jokes. But Rick James wasn't a music icon on the level of James Brown or Prince, so I think it's reasonable to speculate that the parody of Rick might define him more in the eyes of the Hall than his great music.

It's a silly reason not to nominate somebody, but we ARE talking the RRHOF, you know . . .

namepeace said:

GODDAMMIT................GRAND FUNK!!!!!!!!

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

Hey, I'm not saying it's fair. Just saying that if there is a reason Rick hasn't at least been nominated while others have gotten nods, or induction, the Chappelle thing could have played a role.

You're right about JB. Recall also that Prince was parodied so well the very next week that he, like Rick, got in on the jokes. But Rick James wasn't a music icon on the level of James Brown or Prince, so I think it's reasonable to speculate that the parody of Rick might define him more in the eyes of the Hall than his great music.

It's a silly reason not to nominate somebody, but we ARE talking the RRHOF, you know . . .

I understand what you mean, I just don't think that's it. Hell, his first year for induction should have been the first year Prince was nominated. The year before those sketches. Some people just never get nominated. Ohio Players, Barry White, Donny Hathaway, ect. The Moody Blues are not yet in.

I definitely think that Rick James deserves to be inducted.He (just like Prince and George Clinton/PFunk) took funk music to new heights.I consider him to be one of the funk pioneers.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

Hey, I'm not saying it's fair. Just saying that if there is a reason Rick hasn't at least been nominated while others have gotten nods, or induction, the Chappelle thing could have played a role.

You're right about JB. Recall also that Prince was parodied so well the very next week that he, like Rick, got in on the jokes. But Rick James wasn't a music icon on the level of James Brown or Prince, so I think it's reasonable to speculate that the parody of Rick might define him more in the eyes of the Hall than his great music.

It's a silly reason not to nominate somebody, but we ARE talking the RRHOF, you know . . .

I understand what you mean, I just don't think that's it. Hell, his first year for induction should have been the first year Prince was nominated. The year before those sketches. Some people just never get nominated. Ohio Players, Barry White, Donny Hathaway, ect. The Moody Blues are not yet in. [Edited 10/20/16 14:36pm]

I love Rick, and I know I'm speculating wildly on the HOF's thinking, but a first-ballot induction (prior to the Chappelle skits) would have been a long-shot, even if he had been nominated, and even if Prince hadn't become eligible the same year (2003).

That being said, not to even garner a *nomination* after being eligible nearly a decade and a half is inexplicable, especially since Rick, unlike some other artists in waiting, actually had remarkable pop crossover success.

Some artists are simply overshadowed by bigger acts from their respective eras.

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namepeace said:

Cool list but I am always wondering why Pat Benatar keeps getting overlooked! She, along with some others listed above, have never been nominated and that is crying shame! What is the Hall of Fame waiting for? smh

novabrkr said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Cool list but I am always wondering why Pat Benatar keeps getting overlooked! She, along with some others listed above, have never been nominated and that is crying shame! What is the Hall of Fame waiting for? smh

I agree.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

I love Rick, and I know I'm speculating wildly on the HOF's thinking, but a first-ballot induction (prior to the Chappelle skits) would have been a long-shot, even if he had been nominated, and even if Prince hadn't become eligible the same year (2003).

That being said, not to even garner a *nomination* after being eligible nearly a decade and a half is inexplicable, especially since Rick, unlike some other artists in waiting, actually had remarkable pop crossover success.

Some artists are simply overshadowed by bigger acts from their respective eras.

[Edited 10/21/16 11:48am]

I like your last statement. But how do some artist not even get a nomination. Barry White Kool & the Gang Ohio Players Commodores At their peak they were battling the top artist in their respective genres. Hell, even topping them for a time. And these were not just fly by the night artist. They had staying power (pun) and topped the pop charts. Why have the above been neglected?

Politics and racism.

Whitney Houston is the biggest selling Black female artist of all time and she still has never been nominated.

I agree with you though. Those artists including Rick James deserves to be nominated and inducted.

mjscarousal said:

Where the hell is Tori Amos???

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said:

Politics and racism.

Whitney Houston is the biggest selling Black female artist of all time and she still has never been nominated.

I agree with you though. Those artists including Rick James deserves to be nominated and inducted.

I don't see Whitney and other artist like a Céline Dion ever getting nominated. At least not anytime soon.

But if Madonna can get inducted I don't see why Whitney or Janet wouldn't be eligible.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said: I don't see Whitney and other artist like a Céline Dion ever getting nominated. At least not anytime soon.

But if Madonna can get inducted I don't see why Whitney or Janet wouldn't be eligible.

And Kate Bush

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

mjscarousal said: I don't see Whitney and other artist like a Céline Dion ever getting nominated. At least not anytime soon.

But if Madonna can get inducted I don't see why Whitney or Janet wouldn't be eligible.

I don't see WHitney getting in, The same as I don't see Cher or Barbra Streisand getting in. Johnny Mathis isn't in. They probably look at Whitney as a more pop run of the mill singer when she is straight up R&B.

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said: I like your last statement. But how do some artist not even get a nomination. Barry White Kool & the Gang Ohio Players Commodores At their peak they were battling the top artist in their respective genres. Hell, even topping them for a time. And these were not just fly by the night artist. They had staying power (pun) and topped the pop charts. Why have the above been neglected?

Politics and racism.

Whitney Houston is the biggest selling Black female artist of all time and she still has never been nominated.

I agree with you though. Those artists including Rick James deserves to be nominated and inducted.

Not true. According to the RIAA, Rhianna holds that title with 230 million records sold. #2 is Mariah with 200 million. #3 is Nippy with 200 million.

kitbradley said:

EmmaMcG said:

kitbradley said:

Not true. According to the RIAA, Rhianna holds that title with 230 million records sold. #2 is Mariah with 200 million. #3 is Nippy with 200 million.

Is Mariah Carey black???

After all these years, I can't believe people are still asking that.

kitbradley said:

kitbradley said:

kitbradley said:

mjscarousal said:

Politics and racism.

Whitney Houston is the biggest selling Black female artist of all time and she still has never been nominated.

I agree with you though. Those artists including Rick James deserves to be nominated and inducted.

Not true. According to the RIAA, Rhianna holds that title with 230 million records sold. #2 is Mariah with 200 million. #3 is Nippy with 200 million.

This break down includes streams and digital downloads which RIAA recently included because nobody is not selling albums and I personally think this is stupid because streaming is not the same as actually buying an album or single. Additionally, I think its disrespectful to include an artist's streams with artists who have actually sold physical albums, records and c.ds.

15000 streams I believe equals one record sold

Whitney has sold over 200 million copies in pure physical album sells. Whitney IS the biggest selling Black female pop star of all time.

I am sorry but I don't view streaming or digital downloads the same as actually buying an album because its not

Going by this "new method", Rihanna would be the 8th biggest selling artist of all time and that is false because her album sells are very low and its not fair to include streams or digital downloads with artists who have actually sold millions of copies in physical albums and records.

Going by this new method, Rihanna has a shot at eventually surpassing Michael and the Beatles with.... streams.

There should be a seperate charting for streaming. It should not be viewed similiarly to records sold because...its not.

I don't care what the new method states, I look at physical albums or records sold.

EmmaMcG said:

kitbradley said:

Not true. According to the RIAA, Rhianna holds that title with 230 million records sold. #2 is Mariah with 200 million. #3 is Nippy with 200 million.

Is Mariah Carey black???

Technically Mariah Carey is multiracial/mixed. She is not 100% Black.

But people use the one drop of Black rule with her. However, when comparing her to other female artists who are fully Black, Whitney is technically the best selling.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

kitbradley said:

Not true. According to the RIAA, Rhianna holds that title with 230 million records sold. #2 is Mariah with 200 million. #3 is Nippy with 200 million.

Digital sells are just not th3 same. Hell, has Drake already outsold Elvis and MJ yet?

AGREE!

Streaming is not the same as buying a physical album at the store or even buying a physical album online.

With this stupid new streaming method, today's artists will eventually "outsell" artists who have actually sold physical records!!!

mjscarousal said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

I like your last statement. But how do some artist not even get a nomination.

Barry White
Kool & the Gang
Ohio Players
Commodores

At their peak they were battling the top artist in their respective genres. Hell, even topping them for a time. And these were not just fly by the night artist. They had staying power (pun) and topped the pop charts. Why have the above been neglected?

They are evidence that black acts are relegated to the margins of the history of big-r "Rock music," particularly acts from the 1970s.

The 70's was arguably the most creative, groundbreaking decade for r&b and soul music in small-r rock history. All of the acts you listed scored pop hits, charting with funk/soul classics, often breaking new ground with each new album.

But much of their music also dovetailed into the disco era, which (IMO) still doesn't get the respect that it deserves (especially from the Hall). A lot of the hits of the artists you mentioned were dancefloor staples. As a result, it's easy -- and lazy -- to lump that music into the "disco" box, which automatically discredits it.

namepeace said:

mjscarousal said:

EmmaMcG said:

kitbradley said: Is Mariah Carey black???

Technically Mariah Carey is multiracial/mixed. She is not 100% Black.

But people use the one drop of Black rule with her. However, when comparing her to other female artists who are fully Black, Whitney is technically the best selling.

Society uses the one drop rule with anyone who has black blood running thru their veins. Not just her. The same with Drake. Drake is considered a black artist although he is half white. I'm multiracial and the about same complexion as Mariah and Drake. But, the United States govenment and the rest of the world considers us all as black. The music industry is no different. Either you're black or you're not. I have never read anything in Billboard magazine that said Joe Blow is the first multi-racial artist to accomplish this or that. And again the RIAA says Rhianna is the best selling black female artist of all time. They don't take into consideration the mixture of her ethnic heritage. To them, she is black, period.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

namepeace said:

They are evidence that black acts are relegated to the margins of the history of big-r "Rock music," particularly acts from the 1970s.

The 70's was arguably the most creative, groundbreaking decade for r&b and soul music in small-r rock history. All of the acts you listed scored pop hits, charting with funk/soul classics, often breaking new ground with each new album.

But much of their music also dovetailed into the disco era, which (IMO) still doesn't get the respect that it deserves (especially from the Hall). A lot of the hits of the artists you mentioned were dancefloor staples. As a result, it's easy -- and lazy -- to lump that music into the "disco" box, which automatically discredits it.

Barry White may be the only artist here you could associated with disco. There were nothing disco about the others.

You can tell the difference between a Sylvester disco record and a Ohio Players funker like Fopp.

If these musicians and critics lump disco and funk into the same category well.it needs to be some new people that head the hall.

I agree with you, more than you may know, but I do think it happens.