Scorp said:

Pokeno4Money said:

They were saying the same thing in the 50's with Elvis and others.

And what about the drug-filled song titles and lyrics of the 60's and 70's?

Rolling Stones singing "Sister Morphine", Velvet Underground singing "Heroin", Eric Clapton signing "Cocaine", Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" ... there was a tremendous amount of mainstream music pre-1980s that promoted drug use.

Everytime someone thinks that something was "the beginning", they need to look back a bit further. Nothing is as original as it appears to be.

big difference because with the exploitation of Hip-Hop, antagonists found the perfect tool to degrade an entire genre of music, and afflict the minds of our youth as a whole for the past 3 decades wehre the way it's been presented, our youth have been misled to believe this music is a representation of our culture and our community and it's not

I understand what you are saying, and I agree to a point. IMO rap was a lot better when acts like Kid N' Play, Jazzy Jeff & Fresh Prince, Run DMC, Public Enemy, Full Force, Rob Base, Hammer, UTFO etc were dominating the charts.

However, I can understand the popular viewpoint that rap is supposed to describe everyday life using the same words and phrases that are common where the rappers live and grew up. And we all know the roots of most of these rappers, the rough inner city. There's not too many rappers who grew up in the 'burbs or in rural areas, not too many rappers who were raised by middle-class or upper-class families. So you can't really fault them for rapping about what they know and what they see, or for being true to themselves. Without the street cred it's difficult to go anywhere as a rapper.

MichaelJackson5 said:

Rappers like Drake bore me to sleep. No structure to his songs, just him talking, talking and talking in the same drab tone. They should create lullabies out of this dude's discography.

He's attractive so that helps a LOT!

I grew tired of him. I started thinking he can't possibly think he's that interesting to where he has to talk about himself incessantly. Always with the haters and the enemies and the hoes. Snore.

" I got a gold grill......

cost more than ya house..

I got a diamond ring,

on 4 fingaz

each 1..

...the size of a mouse.."

[Edited 12/27/15 14:07pm]

CynicKill said:

He's attractive so that helps a LOT!

I grew tired of him. I started thinking he can't possibly think he's that interesting to where he has to talk about himself incessantly. Always with the haters and the enemies and the hoes. Snore.

Most of the rappers are sound young....they still sound like teenagers, and look like them...

It's easy to mimic them, and sing-rap along.

It's simple, and ring-tone-like..

I see out in public...

Everybody has enemies, but every teen has a me against the world mentality...Without his $. I've seen them rapping to themsevles out in public...

Pokeno4Money said:

Scorp said:

I very much agree It has all contributed to the demise of our music It all started in the late 80s

They were saying the same thing in the 50's with Elvis and others.

And what about the drug-filled song titles and lyrics of the 60's and 70's?

Rolling Stones singing "Sister Morphine", Velvet Underground singing "Heroin", Eric Clapton signing "Cocaine", Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" ... there was a tremendous amount of mainstream music pre-1980s that promoted drug use.

Everytime someone thinks that something was "the beginning", they need to look back a bit further. Nothing is as original as it appears to be.

Should we start a discussion about the prison-industrial complex and the propagation of criminal activity by record labels that push rap & hip-hop on young men?

Scorp said:

Pokeno4Money said:

They were saying the same thing in the 50's with Elvis and others.

And what about the drug-filled song titles and lyrics of the 60's and 70's?

Rolling Stones singing "Sister Morphine", Velvet Underground singing "Heroin", Eric Clapton signing "Cocaine", Jefferson Airplane's "White Rabbit" ... there was a tremendous amount of mainstream music pre-1980s that promoted drug use.

Everytime someone thinks that something was "the beginning", they need to look back a bit further. Nothing is as original as it appears to be.

big difference because with the exploitation of Hip-Hop, antagonists found the perfect tool to degrade an entire genre of music, and afflict the minds of our youth as a whole for the past 3 decades wehre the way it's been presented, our youth have been misled to believe this music is a representation of our culture and our community and it's not

Amen to that! Completely agree!

All of this turmoil going on "in Da hood"....and dudes talking about enemies, and making buck-shot noises...

I heard one Auto-Tune singy rapper saing "That Police shooting was tragic, but I'm balling like I'm on The Mavericks!"

What?

Just rambling.....

That's it? That's all they have to say?

People fear losing street credibility to say something meaningful......

They want to sell you Soda and Basketball shoes...

Yet, there are some phony street suburban fans demanding this...

If shots broke-out, they'd be no where around the trouble spot (No where near "The real (dope) trap areas")..Just culture-vulture the street slang, and "swag"...

I guess everyone is on an "Obama-break"...lolol

CynicKill said:

He's attractive so that helps a LOT!

I grew tired of him. I started thinking he can't possibly think he's that interesting to where he has to talk about himself incessantly. Always with the haters and the enemies and the hoes. Snore.

Well, I used to think he was below average but I must admit that he looks WAY better with the beard and I usually don't go for guys who have a beard but it looks really good on him and I think I find him way more attractive with it than before. But, I agree that his rap skills are pretty subpar but he benefits from having pretty good beats and production.

Linn4days said:

All of this turmoil going on "in Da hood"....and dudes talking about enemies, and making buck-shot noises...

I heard one Auto-Tune singy rapper saing "That Police shooting was tragic, but I'm balling like I'm on The Mavericks!"

What?

Just rambling.....

That's it? That's all they have to say?

People fear losing street credibility to say something meaningful......

They want to sell you Soda and Basketball shoes...

Yet, there are some phony street suburban fans demanding this...

If shots broke-out, they'd be no where around the trouble spot (No where near "The real (dope) trap areas")..Just culture-vulture the street slang, and "swag"...

I guess everyone is on an "Obama-break"...lolol

I agree with you that there's an undeniable element of consumerism/capitalism that's very common in a lot of rap lyrics...but what is an "Obama break?" LOL

SeventeenDayze said:

Scorp said:

big difference because with the exploitation of Hip-Hop, antagonists found the perfect tool to degrade an entire genre of music, and afflict the minds of our youth as a whole for the past 3 decades wehre the way it's been presented, our youth have been misled to believe this music is a representation of our culture and our community and it's not

Amen to that! Completely agree!

Maybe guys, but all this 1960s/1970s drug music was by established performers aimed at audience who liked to toke in some cases at the time. Drugs in the 1967 - 1977 period were almost acceptable.

.

Plus most intelligent people knew these white acts, were part of the hippie/rock subculture and not representative of the white race and its musical output in general. These same people however can not do that discrimination with the Black race.

.

Trap rap and rap dance songs are the only rap songs that hit the charts, very few R and B or Jazz songs hit these charts, or conscious and positive rap like Nas and Common, just "I'm going to fuck this nigga/bitch" shit. Many older White people and even other races, listen to this music and honestly think it is representative of all black people, as the music is most publicly shown is this coon ass rap shit. They guys wear gold chains, grills, jump around in silly clothes and mumble and speak in illiterate babble most of the time. There are usually references to drugs, killing people, buying expensive cars and clothes, spreading cash and singing about getting stoned and drunk.

.

"This music has desensitised us a human beings, we are no longer black men and women, we are niggas and bitches" - Voridire92 on Youtube - Video the Coonery of Rap Music Part 2.

.

A lot of white people, particularly racist republicans see this shit and laugh at it, make fun it of by doing black face parties and dress up as niggas, gangstas and hos. They think this is all we do, they don't care about conscious acts like Prince, Allen Kane, R and B or Jazz musicians, just this coon ass trap rap and songs like Dougie and Silento.

.

70s hippy and metal head drug songs, did not lead people to think all whites are wasted hippies stoned all the time, but a lot seem to think blacks are all gangstas and hos and love drugs, wasting what little money they have on label clothes, fast cars and booze and have a whole bunch of kids they don't care about. It does not help when official statistics shows blacks more likely to be poor/in prison/on drugs/ being single parents/ smoking/drinking and shooting each other over the stupidest shit.

.

That is what we have to deal with when this shitty form of music reinforces and glamourises these negative stereotypes. Not only that it reinforces the "Blacks are inferior, because they have subnormal intelligence" when these nuccas can't spell, don't speak anything other than ebonics, which in my opinion is not a language, its a politically correct babble thrown our way, its is retarded straight up niggaish talk "Dese nuts, wassup m playa" is not real language its retarded.

.

Yes 60s and 70s drug songs, death metal, heavy metal and even some hee haw country acts make the performers and sub types of white people look like idiots too, but people do not lump them in with all white people, as they know many can't stand that music and consider it low brow. Yet shitty rap music cliches are usually blanket banded on black people. Seriously how many African American sitcoms are not Uncle Tomming, even good ones like Cosby Show and Fresh Prince, will show the characters shucking and jiving with the dancing for the white folks. White sitcoms don't often have the characters dancing in the opening song. It is a stereotype, Black people have to have dem jungle riddims. The best Cosby show opening was season 1, as they are merely playing baseball. However besides that, I will not criticise that programme as it showed the joy of togetherness, family and education and hard work as a mantra, something positive for all races to live by. Despite what has come out about Bill Cosby, we all still need to respect the guy, the speech about him criticising rap, solo parents and ebonics (Shaniqua, Taliquah and Muhammad and they are all unemployed) is still the most honest shit we have heard in a long time.

.

Then you have reality TV, Flavor or love, my babymammas that ridicule the romeo stereotype and viral fads like Antoine Dodson and Sweet Brown that portray blacks are barely literate thugs and crackheads. We are a beautiful race and we need to take back our culture and pride. Getting rid of coon rap is the beginning.

.

Romeo stereotype, the idea that women choose males based on their attractiveness rather than fathering skills. Many uneducated people and Blacks will choose the most attractive partner, whereas many educated and White/Asian people choose a person more likely based on their intelligence/income/social background and potential fathering ability and child rearing skills over rugged good looks.

.

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of all white races as it was a custom, that women would marry their daughters to the son of the local rabbi or the most intelligent/successful man no matter how ugly he was.

[Edited 12/27/15 18:43pm]

Lol as usual they ignore the important posts. You know Kendrick had the most political and social album of the year. And it was HUGE and is nominated for multiple grammy awards too. J. Cole had a few hits this year tooand huge aLbum sales. WITH NO PROMOTION AND GIMMICKS!~ just good music. But as usual y'all can't take that nostalgia glass offyourold ass eyes.Back in the day y'all had a ton of horrible shit on the charts. And y'all had the great stuff! it's no different right now.

Gunsnhalen said:

mechanicalemotion17 said:

Kendrick Lamar and J Cole can't carry the industry by themselves and carry it alone

I saw somewhere online that Kendrick pissed off a lot of black fans because he made a statement which suggested that there are all these problems with the police, etc. because black people aren't doing better in terms of how we behave in public, etc. I'm paraphrasing because I don't feel like searching for the article. It seems he was dragged on Twitter for that.

Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Amen to that! Completely agree!

Maybe guys, but all this 1960s/1970s drug music was by established performers aimed at audience who liked to toke in some cases at the time. Drugs in the 1967 - 1977 period were almost acceptable.

.

Plus most intelligent people knew these white acts, were part of the hippie/rock subculture and not representative of the white race and its musical output in general. These same people however can not do that discrimination with the Black race.

.

Trap rap and rap dance songs are the only rap songs that hit the charts, very few R and B or Jazz songs hit these charts, or conscious and positive rap like Nas and Common, just "I'm going to fuck this nigga/bitch" shit. Many older White people and even other races, listen to this music and honestly think it is representative of all black people, as the music is most publicly shown is this coon ass rap shit. They guys wear gold chains, grills, jump around in silly clothes and mumble and speak in illiterate babble most of the time. There are usually references to drugs, killing people, buying expensive cars and clothes, spreading cash and singing about getting stoned and drunk.

.

"This music has desensitised us a human beings, we are no longer black men and women, we are niggas and bitches" - Voridire92 on Youtube - Video the Coonery of Rap Music Part 2.

.

A lot of white people, particularly racist republicans see this shit and laugh at it, make fun it of by doing black face parties and dress up as niggas, gangstas and hos. They think this is all we do, they don't care about conscious acts like Prince, Allen Kane, R and B or Jazz musicians, just this coon ass trap rap and songs like Dougie and Silento.

.

70s hippy and metal head drug songs, did not lead people to think all whites are wasted hippies stoned all the time, but a lot seem to think blacks are all gangstas and hos and love drugs, wasting what little money they have on label clothes, fast cars and booze and have a whole bunch of kids they don't care about. It does not help when official statistics shows blacks more likely to be poor/in prison/on drugs/ being single parents/ smoking/drinking and shooting each other over the stupidest shit.

.

That is what we have to deal with when this shitty form of music reinforces and glamourises these negative stereotypes. Not only that it reinforces the "Blacks are inferior, because they have subnormal intelligence" when these nuccas can't spell, don't speak anything other than ebonics, which in my opinion is not a language, its a politically correct babble thrown our way, its is retarded straight up niggaish talk "Dese nuts, wassup m playa" is not real language its retarded.

.

Yes 60s and 70s drug songs, death metal, heavy metal and even some hee haw country acts make the performers and sub types of white people look like idiots too, but people do not lump them in with all white people, as they know many can't stand that music and consider it low brow. Yet shitty rap music cliches are usually blanket banded on black people. Seriously how many African American sitcoms are not Uncle Tomming, even good ones like Cosby Show and Fresh Prince, will show the characters shucking and jiving with the dancing for the white folks. White sitcoms don't often have the characters dancing in the opening song. It is a stereotype, Black people have to have dem jungle riddims. The best Cosby show opening was season 1, as they are merely playing baseball. However besides that, I will not criticise that programme as it showed the joy of togetherness, family and education and hard work as a mantra, something positive for all races to live by. Despite what has come out about Bill Cosby, we all still need to respect the guy, the speech about him criticising rap, solo parents and ebonics (Shaniqua, Taliquah and Muhammad and they are all unemployed) is still the most honest shit we have heard in a long time.

.

Then you have reality TV, Flavor or love, my babymammas that ridicule the romeo stereotype and viral fads like Antoine Dodson and Sweet Brown that portray blacks are barely literate thugs and crackheads. We are a beautiful race and we need to take back our culture and pride. Getting rid of coon rap is the beginning.

.

Romeo stereotype, the idea that women choose males based on their attractiveness rather than fathering skills. Many uneducated people and Blacks will choose the most attractive partner, whereas many educated and White/Asian people choose a person more likely based on their intelligence/income/social background and potential fathering ability and child rearing skills over rugged good looks.

.

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of all white races as it was a custom, that women would marry their daughters to the son of the local rabbi or the most intelligent/successful man no matter how ugly he was.

[Edited 12/27/15 18:43pm]

Your posts are usually entertaining and I mostly agree with you in other posts but I think you crossed the line with this post. First of all, ease up with the N-word use PLEASE. Next, do your research and understand that black people in America aren't all failures and doing dumb shit. Your very harsh criticism of rap music is starting to seem more like a thinly-veiled attack on black Americans. You have to ask yourself a few questions....who OWNS the media? Who OWNS the record labels? Who are the people who DECIDE what ultimately gets played on the air? Honey, it's NOT a room full of black people, guarantee you that. So, before you go another step further with this painfully negative critique of black Americans (because fac,e it that's what you're doing here) do an assesstment of who the key decision makers are in the industry.

Your comments are becoming borderline racist....I mean who the fuck do you think you are making sweeping generalizations that Black people choose the most attractive partner but whites go on level of intelligence??? Are you out of your fucking mind with this shit?

[Edited 12/27/15 21:53pm]

[Edited 12/27/15 21:55pm]

SeventeenDayze said:

Adorecream said:

Maybe guys, but all this 1960s/1970s drug music was by established performers aimed at audience who liked to toke in some cases at the time. Drugs in the 1967 - 1977 period were almost acceptable.

.

Plus most intelligent people knew these white acts, were part of the hippie/rock subculture and not representative of the white race and its musical output in general. These same people however can not do that discrimination with the Black race.

.

Trap rap and rap dance songs are the only rap songs that hit the charts, very few R and B or Jazz songs hit these charts, or conscious and positive rap like Nas and Common, just "I'm going to fuck this nigga/bitch" shit. Many older White people and even other races, listen to this music and honestly think it is representative of all black people, as the music is most publicly shown is this coon ass rap shit. They guys wear gold chains, grills, jump around in silly clothes and mumble and speak in illiterate babble most of the time. There are usually references to drugs, killing people, buying expensive cars and clothes, spreading cash and singing about getting stoned and drunk.

.

"This music has desensitised us a human beings, we are no longer black men and women, we are niggas and bitches" - Voridire92 on Youtube - Video the Coonery of Rap Music Part 2.

.

A lot of white people, particularly racist republicans see this shit and laugh at it, make fun it of by doing black face parties and dress up as niggas, gangstas and hos. They think this is all we do, they don't care about conscious acts like Prince, Allen Kane, R and B or Jazz musicians, just this coon ass trap rap and songs like Dougie and Silento.

.

70s hippy and metal head drug songs, did not lead people to think all whites are wasted hippies stoned all the time, but a lot seem to think blacks are all gangstas and hos and love drugs, wasting what little money they have on label clothes, fast cars and booze and have a whole bunch of kids they don't care about. It does not help when official statistics shows blacks more likely to be poor/in prison/on drugs/ being single parents/ smoking/drinking and shooting each other over the stupidest shit.

.

That is what we have to deal with when this shitty form of music reinforces and glamourises these negative stereotypes. Not only that it reinforces the "Blacks are inferior, because they have subnormal intelligence" when these nuccas can't spell, don't speak anything other than ebonics, which in my opinion is not a language, its a politically correct babble thrown our way, its is retarded straight up niggaish talk "Dese nuts, wassup m playa" is not real language its retarded.

.

Yes 60s and 70s drug songs, death metal, heavy metal and even some hee haw country acts make the performers and sub types of white people look like idiots too, but people do not lump them in with all white people, as they know many can't stand that music and consider it low brow. Yet shitty rap music cliches are usually blanket banded on black people. Seriously how many African American sitcoms are not Uncle Tomming, even good ones like Cosby Show and Fresh Prince, will show the characters shucking and jiving with the dancing for the white folks. White sitcoms don't often have the characters dancing in the opening song. It is a stereotype, Black people have to have dem jungle riddims. The best Cosby show opening was season 1, as they are merely playing baseball. However besides that, I will not criticise that programme as it showed the joy of togetherness, family and education and hard work as a mantra, something positive for all races to live by. Despite what has come out about Bill Cosby, we all still need to respect the guy, the speech about him criticising rap, solo parents and ebonics (Shaniqua, Taliquah and Muhammad and they are all unemployed) is still the most honest shit we have heard in a long time.

.

Then you have reality TV, Flavor or love, my babymammas that ridicule the romeo stereotype and viral fads like Antoine Dodson and Sweet Brown that portray blacks are barely literate thugs and crackheads. We are a beautiful race and we need to take back our culture and pride. Getting rid of coon rap is the beginning.

.

Romeo stereotype, the idea that women choose males based on their attractiveness rather than fathering skills. Many uneducated people and Blacks will choose the most attractive partner, whereas many educated and White/Asian people choose a person more likely based on their intelligence/income/social background and potential fathering ability and child rearing skills over rugged good looks.

.

Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of all white races as it was a custom, that women would marry their daughters to the son of the local rabbi or the most intelligent/successful man no matter how ugly he was.

[Edited 12/27/15 18:43pm]

Your posts are usually entertaining and I mostly agree with you in other posts but I think you crossed the line with this post. First of all, ease up with the N-word use PLEASE. Next, do your research and understand that black people in America aren't all failures and doing dumb shit. Your very harsh criticism of rap music is starting to seem more like a thinly-veiled attack on black Americans. You have to ask yourself a few questions....who OWNS the media? Who OWNS the record labels? Who are the people who DECIDE what ultimately gets played on the air? Honey, it's NOT a room full of black people, guarantee you that. So, before you go another step further with this painfully negative critique of black Americans (because fac,e it that's what you're doing here) do an assesstment of who the key decision makers are in the industry.

Your comments are becoming borderline racist....I mean who the fuck do you think you are making sweeping generalizations that Black people choose the most attractive partner but whites go on level of intelligence??? Are you out of your fucking mind with this shit?

[Edited 12/27/15 21:53pm]

[Edited 12/27/15 21:55pm]

I am not racist, so don't call me that, I don't live on your support and views.

.

Yes I know whites own the record companies and media outlets, and they are mostly Jewish whites too, apparently big friends of black people. Besides it is up to the artist to choose positive portrayal over instant fame for cooning it up, and you the consumer to actively not buy or support artists that degrade African Americans in general by acting like gangstas, singing about drugs, guns and hoes. No one is holding a gun to these peoples head and saying buy the Juicy J single or else mfer. People choose to buy and consume this shit.

.

I do not say blacks are failures, I say these songs may lead people who have little or no interaction with them may feel that way (I have family members who think like that). As for using the n word, You guys use it all the time, yet I am not that to me is hyprocritical racism of the worst kind. I am using it with the a, not the er, big difference there.

.

Plus I read that 73% of Black children are in one parent fatherless homes, compared to only 27 % of white American kids, so my Romeo model is proven. Even I can remember in 1990 listen to a song off a live crew album that had the line "Yo yo bitch, I hope u took the pill, because I won't pay the bill BITCH!". It is like the rappers are gloating about it.

.

I am not racist and never said rappers are all black people, if you could read properly instead of getting inflamed about stupid shit and reading snippets and hitting the roof over it, it said that some people, many whites would think this way, if they just watch rap videos, the news with the Black lives matters protestors and feel that way.

.

Not racist, just telling the truth. If anything you are being the racist when you assume I am not black (Of which my race the Maori is considered a coloured race of the world) and that I do not know Black people and have no respect of their culture (More bullshit).

.

So back off and come to me when you have facts proving me wrong, step to me like a man, not a mouse. An old Maori proverb - You bump me, I will bump you back.

Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Your posts are usually entertaining and I mostly agree with you in other posts but I think you crossed the line with this post. First of all, ease up with the N-word use PLEASE. Next, do your research and understand that black people in America aren't all failures and doing dumb shit. Your very harsh criticism of rap music is starting to seem more like a thinly-veiled attack on black Americans. You have to ask yourself a few questions....who OWNS the media? Who OWNS the record labels? Who are the people who DECIDE what ultimately gets played on the air? Honey, it's NOT a room full of black people, guarantee you that. So, before you go another step further with this painfully negative critique of black Americans (because fac,e it that's what you're doing here) do an assesstment of who the key decision makers are in the industry.

Your comments are becoming borderline racist....I mean who the fuck do you think you are making sweeping generalizations that Black people choose the most attractive partner but whites go on level of intelligence??? Are you out of your fucking mind with this shit?

[Edited 12/27/15 21:53pm]

[Edited 12/27/15 21:55pm]

I am not racist, so don't call me that, I don't live on your support and views.

.

Yes I know whites own the record companies and media outlets, and they are mostly Jewish whites too, apparently big friends of black people. Besides it is up to the artist to choose positive portrayal over instant fame for cooning it up, and you the consumer to actively not buy or support artists that degrade African Americans in general by acting like gangstas, singing about drugs, guns and hoes. No one is holding a gun to these peoples head and saying buy the Juicy J single or else mfer. People choose to buy and consume this shit.

.

I do not say blacks are failures, I say these songs may lead people who have little or no interaction with them may feel that way (I have family members who think like that). As for using the n word, You guys use it all the time, yet I am not that to me is hyprocritical racism of the worst kind. I am using it with the a, not the er, big difference there.

.

Plus I read that 73% of Black children are in one parent fatherless homes, compared to only 27 % of white American kids, so my Romeo model is proven. Even I can remember in 1990 listen to a song off a live crew album that had the line "Yo yo bitch, I hope u took the pill, because I won't pay the bill BITCH!". It is like the rappers are gloating about it.

.

I am not racist and never said rappers are all black people, if you could read properly instead of getting inflamed about stupid shit and reading snippets and hitting the roof over it, it said that some people, many whites would think this way, if they just watch rap videos, the news with the Black lives matters protestors and feel that way.

.

Not racist, just telling the truth. If anything you are being the racist when you assume I am not black (Of which my race the Maori is considered a coloured race of the world) and that I do not know Black people and have no respect of their culture (More bullshit).

.

So back off and come to me when you have facts proving me wrong, step to me like a man, not a mouse. An old Maori proverb - You bump me, I will bump you back.

First off, I am a WOMAN not a man so let's get that clear. Yes, you ARE being racist. Where are you getting your data? Have YOU ever been black in America? The whole statistic about single mothers is one thing but do you know how many single black women WITHOUT children never get married? Have you ever heard of the prison-industrial complex? Have you ever heard of systemic racism? Do you HONESTLY believe that these record executives don't have a certain expectation of their artists to portray a certain image?

I think you should read your comments again and try to convince someone else that what you're saying isn't peppered with racism. Honestly, the venom that you spew about Black Americans has reached a fever pitch. ENOUGH already. If our culture is so repulsive why the hell do you keep up with it? You obviously listen to it because you know about Migos and Future and trap music. So, I dunno, you need to come correct and have more of a balanced assessment of the situation. You obviously think that "white is right" because you don't acknowledge racism, or the bullshit pushed by the record executives....

I'm done with this.

SeventeenDayze said:

Adorecream said:

I am not racist, so don't call me that, I don't live on your support and views.

.

Yes I know whites own the record companies and media outlets, and they are mostly Jewish whites too, apparently big friends of black people. Besides it is up to the artist to choose positive portrayal over instant fame for cooning it up, and you the consumer to actively not buy or support artists that degrade African Americans in general by acting like gangstas, singing about drugs, guns and hoes. No one is holding a gun to these peoples head and saying buy the Juicy J single or else mfer. People choose to buy and consume this shit.

.

I do not say blacks are failures, I say these songs may lead people who have little or no interaction with them may feel that way (I have family members who think like that). As for using the n word, You guys use it all the time, yet I am not that to me is hyprocritical racism of the worst kind. I am using it with the a, not the er, big difference there.

.

Plus I read that 73% of Black children are in one parent fatherless homes, compared to only 27 % of white American kids, so my Romeo model is proven. Even I can remember in 1990 listen to a song off a live crew album that had the line "Yo yo bitch, I hope u took the pill, because I won't pay the bill BITCH!". It is like the rappers are gloating about it.

.

I am not racist and never said rappers are all black people, if you could read properly instead of getting inflamed about stupid shit and reading snippets and hitting the roof over it, it said that some people, many whites would think this way, if they just watch rap videos, the news with the Black lives matters protestors and feel that way.

.

Not racist, just telling the truth. If anything you are being the racist when you assume I am not black (Of which my race the Maori is considered a coloured race of the world) and that I do not know Black people and have no respect of their culture (More bullshit).

.

So back off and come to me when you have facts proving me wrong, step to me like a man, not a mouse. An old Maori proverb - You bump me, I will bump you back.

First off, I am a WOMAN not a man so let's get that clear. Yes, you ARE being racist. Where are you getting your data? Have YOU ever been black in America? The whole statistic about single mothers is one thing but do you know how many single black women WITHOUT children never get married? Have you ever heard of the prison-industrial complex? Have you ever heard of systemic racism? Do you HONESTLY believe that these record executives don't have a certain expectation of their artists to portray a certain image?

I think you should read your comments again and try to convince someone else that what you're saying isn't peppered with racism. Honestly, the venom that you spew about Black Americans has reached a fever pitch. ENOUGH already. If our culture is so repulsive why the hell do you keep up with it? You obviously listen to it because you know about Migos and Future and trap music. So, I dunno, you need to come correct and have more of a balanced assessment of the situation. You obviously think that "white is right" because you don't acknowledge racism, or the bullshit pushed by the record executives....

I'm done with this.

I think you should read your damn comments, and realise I don't have a crystal ball, how did I know you are a woman or a Black person. Thaought you were cool, but you are just another angry woman like the ones my boy Tommy Sotomayor goes on about.

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Doesn't mean jackshit, I stand by what I say, and whether you like it or not, it is my opinion.

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And you are racist, as you clearly have a problem with white people (White is right, White Conservatives) So that makes you a racist, or I forgot Black people can't be racist, but only whites can. How racist can I be, if my favourite music is by African American artists like Prince and Michael Jackson, I don't and have never considered them to be like these dumb ass rappers.

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I don't keep up with it, its on the news, I watch videos on Youtubes by white commentators like Buckley who condemn the garbage and I agree with him. I also follow Black Conservatives who like myself feel that Democrats, Welfare and Obama are the worst thing ever for African Americans.

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I have already acknowledged a million fxxkin times that Musical industry is controlled mostly by whites, but there are Black entrepeneurs too like Jay Z and Russell Simmons, along with media networks like BET that play and promote this shit. I also said again in my last post, that artists can make the choice on how they act and present themselves, and hopefully choose artistic credibility in the choice of instant fame by holding up tacky gold chains with gold teeth and rap about a brand of liquor and messing with hoes, drugs and shooting other men.

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Plus many of the replies agree with at least some of what I am saying, most conscious people know this music is garbage and that it can not be termed music, it is talking to a processed beat.

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Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

First off, I am a WOMAN not a man so let's get that clear. Yes, you ARE being racist. Where are you getting your data? Have YOU ever been black in America? The whole statistic about single mothers is one thing but do you know how many single black women WITHOUT children never get married? Have you ever heard of the prison-industrial complex? Have you ever heard of systemic racism? Do you HONESTLY believe that these record executives don't have a certain expectation of their artists to portray a certain image?

I think you should read your comments again and try to convince someone else that what you're saying isn't peppered with racism. Honestly, the venom that you spew about Black Americans has reached a fever pitch. ENOUGH already. If our culture is so repulsive why the hell do you keep up with it? You obviously listen to it because you know about Migos and Future and trap music. So, I dunno, you need to come correct and have more of a balanced assessment of the situation. You obviously think that "white is right" because you don't acknowledge racism, or the bullshit pushed by the record executives....

I'm done with this.

I think you should read your damn comments, and realise I don't have a crystal ball, how did I know you are a woman or a Black person.

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Doesn't mean jackshit, I stand by what I say, and whether you like it or not, it is my opinion.

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And you are racist, as you clearly have a problem with white people (White is right, White Conservatives) So that makes you a racist, or I forgot Black people can't be racist, but only whites can.

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I don't keep up with it, its on the news, I watch videos on Youtubes by white commentators like Buckley who condemn the garbage and I agree with him. I also follow Black Conservatives who like myself feel that Democrats, Welfare and Obama are the worst thing ever for African Americans.

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Well, now you've exposed yourself. You seem like you're more interested in bashing Black Americans more than having an honest discussion about rap music. Where is your critique about Eminem, Machine Gun Kelly, hell even Vanilla Ice? Yeah, exactly. Crawl back into your anti-black American cave please!

SeventeenDayze said:

Adorecream said:

I think you should read your damn comments, and realise I don't have a crystal ball, how did I know you are a woman or a Black person.

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Doesn't mean jackshit, I stand by what I say, and whether you like it or not, it is my opinion.

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And you are racist, as you clearly have a problem with white people (White is right, White Conservatives) So that makes you a racist, or I forgot Black people can't be racist, but only whites can.

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I don't keep up with it, its on the news, I watch videos on Youtubes by white commentators like Buckley who condemn the garbage and I agree with him. I also follow Black Conservatives who like myself feel that Democrats, Welfare and Obama are the worst thing ever for African Americans.

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Well, now you've exposed yourself. You seem like you're more interested in bashing Black Americans more than having an honest discussion about rap music. Where is your critique about Eminem, Machine Gun Kelly, hell even Vanilla Ice? Yeah, exactly. Crawl back into your anti-black American cave please!

I hate their music too, rubbish especially Eminem, just as bad, but most people know he is an aberration to the race and is trying to be a little wigga.

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I know about the prison industrial complex, make black men prisoners and make them labour free for the state by private prison operators. Selling them and feeding rap lyrics with pro crime and drugs lyric encourages this behaviour along with poor education, entrenched poverty and a lack of father figures. and I know the FBI/CIA introduced crack to the hood around 1980 to pay off contras and also get more impressionable black men into the Prison system. I also know Americans are amongst the most incarcerated people on earth. And you know what.

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This shit sickens me, its fucked up and its undeserved, we are dooming many young men to this system that is not entirely their own doing, its a vicious cycle could be broken. How do I know, the same shit happens here, we have private prison operators like Serco, who can't do anything right, have guards that are racist and beat inmates, allow inmates to run fight clubs in prison. Except here it is not African Americans, its Maoris and Islanders, my own people. They make up 18% of the population (Maori 13%, Island 5% (Polynesian Pacific Islanders from Samoa, Tonga and Niue mostly) make up 74% of all our inmates, mostly in for violent, sexual and drug offenses. We have teh same problem with gangs and entrenched poverty and racism. Okay we were not slaves, but we did have our land stolen off us and were forced to assimilate into the dominant culture and forget our culture and language until the 1970s.

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And what do you, many of them love hip hop music and gthe hip hop culture, they consume the American stuff and make their own local stuff, so before you call me a Racist white American in his anti Black American cave, think before you open your big mouth and talk a whole lot of bullshit.

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Here is an example, in 1992 a wealthy white woman here was raped and murdered by a serial rapist. The white police could not find the offender, so they found 17 year Teina Pora (A Cook Island/Maori man of limited intelligence (IQ 70 Illiterate at 17)) and talked him into accepting the murder and rape charge, no lawyers present, no phone call, no support, tried and sentenced to life in imprisonment (The worst here, we don't have the death penalty). He spent 21 years in jail and was released when DNA evidence and the confession of the murder got him out, no apologies no compensation. Pora now aged 40, left jail with not even the clothes on his back, no chance he will get compo for spending 21 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. Came out a hardened criminal, probably go back in soon, already a Grandad with a 5 year old grandson at the age of 40. So I know what the Prison industrial complex and institutional racism is.

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Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Well, now you've exposed yourself. You seem like you're more interested in bashing Black Americans more than having an honest discussion about rap music. Where is your critique about Eminem, Machine Gun Kelly, hell even Vanilla Ice? Yeah, exactly. Crawl back into your anti-black American cave please!

I hate their music too, rubbish especially Eminem, just as bad, but most people know he is an aberration to the race and is trying to be a little wigga.

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I know about the prison industrial complex, make black men prisoners and make them labour free for the state by private prison operators. Selling them and feeding rap lyrics with pro crime and drugs lyric encourages this behaviour along with poor education, entrenched poverty and a lack of father figures. and I know the FBI/CIA introduced crack to the hood around 1980 to pay off contras and also get more impressionable black men into the Prison system. I also know Americans are amongst the most incarcerated people on earth. And you know what.

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This shit sickens me, its fucked up and its undeserved, we are dooming many young men to this system that is not entirely their own doing, its a vicious cycle could be broken. How do I know, the same shit happens here, we have private prison operators like Serco, who can't do anything right, have guards that are racist and beat inmates, allow inmates to run fight clubs in prison. Except here it is not African Americans, its Maoris and Islanders, my own people. They make up 18% of the population (Maori 13%, Island 5% (Polynesian Pacific Islanders from Samoa, Tonga and Niue mostly) make up 74% of all our inmates, mostly in for violent, sexual and drug offenses. We have teh same problem with gangs and entrenched poverty and racism. Okay we were not slaves, but we did have our land stolen off us and were forced to assimilate into the dominant culture and forget our culture and language until the 1970s.

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And what do you, many of them love hip hop music and gthe hip hop culture, they consume the American stuff and make their own local stuff, so before you call me a Racist white American in his anti Black American cave, think before you open your big mouth and talk a whole lot of bullshit.

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Here is an example, in 1992 a wealthy white woman here was raped and murdered by a serial rapist. The white police could not find the offender, so they found 17 year Teina Pora (A Cook Island/Maori man of limited intelligence (IQ 70 Illiterate at 17)) and talked him into accepting the murder and rape charge, no lawyers present, no phone call, no support, tried and sentenced to life in imprisonment (The worst here, we don't have the death penalty). He spent 21 years in jail and was released when DNA evidence and the confession of the murder got him out, no apologies no compensation. Pora now aged 40, left jail with not even the clothes on his back, no chance he will get compo for spending 21 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. Came out a hardened criminal, probably go back in soon, already a Grandad with a 5 year old grandson at the age of 40. So I know what the Prison industrial complex and institutional racism is.

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Well if you are aware of all this why do you focus so much on the "finished product" (rap music) and not focusing on all the other things that influence the music? I dunno, let's agree to disagree because like I said before I otherwise enjoy your posts but it seems that your previous posts in this thread were really out of line.

SeventeenDayze said:

Adorecream said:

I hate their music too, rubbish especially Eminem, just as bad, but most people know he is an aberration to the race and is trying to be a little wigga.

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I know about the prison industrial complex, make black men prisoners and make them labour free for the state by private prison operators. Selling them and feeding rap lyrics with pro crime and drugs lyric encourages this behaviour along with poor education, entrenched poverty and a lack of father figures. and I know the FBI/CIA introduced crack to the hood around 1980 to pay off contras and also get more impressionable black men into the Prison system. I also know Americans are amongst the most incarcerated people on earth. And you know what.

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This shit sickens me, its fucked up and its undeserved, we are dooming many young men to this system that is not entirely their own doing, its a vicious cycle could be broken. How do I know, the same shit happens here, we have private prison operators like Serco, who can't do anything right, have guards that are racist and beat inmates, allow inmates to run fight clubs in prison. Except here it is not African Americans, its Maoris and Islanders, my own people. They make up 18% of the population (Maori 13%, Island 5% (Polynesian Pacific Islanders from Samoa, Tonga and Niue mostly) make up 74% of all our inmates, mostly in for violent, sexual and drug offenses. We have teh same problem with gangs and entrenched poverty and racism. Okay we were not slaves, but we did have our land stolen off us and were forced to assimilate into the dominant culture and forget our culture and language until the 1970s.

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And what do you, many of them love hip hop music and gthe hip hop culture, they consume the American stuff and make their own local stuff, so before you call me a Racist white American in his anti Black American cave, think before you open your big mouth and talk a whole lot of bullshit.

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Here is an example, in 1992 a wealthy white woman here was raped and murdered by a serial rapist. The white police could not find the offender, so they found 17 year Teina Pora (A Cook Island/Maori man of limited intelligence (IQ 70 Illiterate at 17)) and talked him into accepting the murder and rape charge, no lawyers present, no phone call, no support, tried and sentenced to life in imprisonment (The worst here, we don't have the death penalty). He spent 21 years in jail and was released when DNA evidence and the confession of the murder got him out, no apologies no compensation. Pora now aged 40, left jail with not even the clothes on his back, no chance he will get compo for spending 21 years in jail for a crime he did not commit. Came out a hardened criminal, probably go back in soon, already a Grandad with a 5 year old grandson at the age of 40. So I know what the Prison industrial complex and institutional racism is.

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Well if you are aware of all this why do you focus so much on the "finished product" (rap music) and not focusing on all the other things that influence the music? I dunno, let's agree to disagree because like I said before I otherwise enjoy your posts but it seems that your previous posts in this thread were really out of line.

Sounds great with me, I am aware, but probably not always good at declaring my true intentions about stuff. What I aim with is that people can stop that product.

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I know there is so much more to the African American world and people than some degraded songs and music. So much positive to celebrate like Prince for instance.

Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Well if you are aware of all this why do you focus so much on the "finished product" (rap music) and not focusing on all the other things that influence the music? I dunno, let's agree to disagree because like I said before I otherwise enjoy your posts but it seems that your previous posts in this thread were really out of line.

Sounds great with me, I am aware, but probably not always good at declaring my true intentions about stuff. What I aim with is that people can stop that product.

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I know there is so much more to the African American world and people than some degraded songs and music. So much positive to celebrate like Prince for instance.

I think what we have to keep in mind is that these record execs know what sells...even though a lot of people don't buy music as much as before. They know what will get the most views on Youtube and what will become the most talked about songs, etc.

I think the industry has made too much money off the negativity and they have no intention on stopping trap music or rap anytime soon. There are still a lot of "conscious" rappers out there but they never get the same exposure as the trap dudes.

Yes, we can celebrate Prince because he was the architect of selling music directly to fans via internet.

Adorecream has a history of racist and stupid comments against black people.

Gunsnhalen said:

Adorecream has a history of racist and stupid comments against black people.

Gunshalen has a history of racist and stupid comments towards white people.

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Adorecream said:

SeventeenDayze said:

Your posts are usually entertaining and I mostly agree with you in other posts but I think you crossed the line with this post. First of all, ease up with the N-word use PLEASE. Next, do your research and understand that black people in America aren't all failures and doing dumb shit. Your very harsh criticism of rap music is starting to seem more like a thinly-veiled attack on black Americans. You have to ask yourself a few questions....who OWNS the media? Who OWNS the record labels? Who are the people who DECIDE what ultimately gets played on the air? Honey, it's NOT a room full of black people, guarantee you that. So, before you go another step further with this painfully negative critique of black Americans (because fac,e it that's what you're doing here) do an assesstment of who the key decision makers are in the industry.

Your comments are becoming borderline racist....I mean who the fuck do you think you are making sweeping generalizations that Black people choose the most attractive partner but whites go on level of intelligence??? Are you out of your fucking mind with this shit?

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I am not racist, so don't call me that, I don't live on your support and views.

in the Joyous Kwanzaa threaqd:

Reply #14 posted 12/23/15 1:39pm

Adorecream said:

Believe it or not, this racist ass here is a bit of a rastafarian here, my borther is full rasta and my Dad (Dead) was in a reggae group called Judah.

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Yes I know whites own the record companies and media outlets, and they are mostly Jewish whites too, apparently big friends of black people. Besides it is up to the artist to choose positive portrayal over instant fame for cooning it up, and you the consumer to actively not buy or support artists that degrade African Americans in general by acting like gangstas, singing about drugs, guns and hoes. No one is holding a gun to these peoples head and saying buy the Juicy J single or else mfer. People choose to buy and consume this shit.

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I do not say blacks are failures, I say these songs may lead people who have little or no interaction with them may feel that way (I have family members who think like that). As for using the n word, You guys use it all the time, yet I am not that to me is hyprocritical racism of the worst kind. I am using it with the a, not the er, big difference there.

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Plus I read that 73% of Black children are in one parent fatherless homes, compared to only 27 % of white American kids, so my Romeo model is proven. Even I can remember in 1990 listen to a song off a live crew album that had the line "Yo yo bitch, I hope u took the pill, because I won't pay the bill BITCH!". It is like the rappers are gloating about it.

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I am not racist and never said rappers are all black people, if you could read properly instead of getting inflamed about stupid shit and reading snippets and hitting the roof over it, it said that some people, many whites would think this way, if they just watch rap videos, the news with the Black lives matters protestors and feel that way.

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Not racist, just telling the truth. If anything you are being the racist when you assume I am not black (Of which my race the Maori is considered a coloured race of the world) and that I do not know Black people and have no respect of their culture (More bullshit).

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So back off and come to me when you have facts proving me wrong, step to me like a man, not a mouse. An old Maori proverb - You bump me, I will bump you back.

inquiring minds want to know, "is you is or is you ain't a racist?"

seems there is a bit of unrealized schizophreia lurking beneath the surface of your mindset. a prime example of transparency coming through that could define the make up of a fecal chef.

one with a m o of continually stirring up shiet.

as far as Rap goes.

i'll get back to that asap

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Scorp said:

MichaelJackson5 said:

I used to love rap back in the day, I was constantly ridiculed here in India for liking it, but I stuck to my guns.... but I absolutely HATE modern rap - they took something that was cool and fun and rebellious and made "dance music" out of it - absolutely AWFUL dance music......