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mjscarousal said:

@Patrick, instead of cussing at people you disagree with, why don't you back up your opinions with sources. I asked you if you if you could support your claim with sources.

Janet only did 16 shows in her RockWitchu tour and then it was suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. Her second leg, Japan and European leg was canceled as well.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/janet-jackson-cancels-postponed-dates-as-tour-comes-to-swift-end-20081105

Janet Jackson Will Not Schedule Canceled Rockwitchu Stops, Tour Organizer Says

11/6/2008

Live Nation says schedule conflicts prevent singer from making up seven of the nine dates she missed due to migraines.by chris harris 11/6/2008

Janet Jackson has announced that she won’t be rescheduling seven tour stops she was forced to postpone last month due to migraine-associated vertigo.

According to The Associated Press, the 42-year-old singer is not choreographing any of the makeup dates for the seven Rock Witchu Tour dates she’d canceled , because of “conflicts in the singer’s schedule,” a statement released by tour organizer Live Nation claims.
Jackson first fell ill during sound check for a September 29 show in Montreal and ended up postponing shows in Philadelphia; Boston; Greensboro, North Carolina; Atlanta; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Uncasville, Connecticut; Verona, New York; and New York City. She did reschedule the shows in Atlanta and New York.
(Read reviews of Janet’s shows in Los Angeles and New York in the MTV Newsroom.)
At first, the singer’s publicists would not reveal details about Jackson’s illness, saying only that the onset of the malaise was sudden. Jackson was hospitalized briefly because of her condition, the symptoms of which include dizziness and imbalance.
Jackson’s first tour in seven years has been a troubled affair, to say the least. After postponing several shows, opening act LL Cool J announced that he would be dropping off the bill due to unspecified “scheduling conflicts.”
It’s been a rough year for Jackson, who recently parted ways Island Def Jam Records after just 14 months with the label. Back in April, while promoting her latest album, Discipline, Jackson missed an appearance on “Saturday Night Live” due to bronchitis.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1598715/janet-jackson-will-not-reschedule-canceled-rock-witchu-stops-tour-organizer-says/

So the RockWitchu Tour did not go into 2009. Also the Rockwitchu tour started in September of 2008 and abruptly ended in November due to constant cancellations. The link is right above can you provide any other sources Patrick for your opinions? To be clear, I am not trying to bash Janet or talk down on her but she was in fact dropped by Live Nation due to low ticket sells in 2008. My opinions are not solely based on Rowes claims and his claims are supported by other sources.

I don't know the whole story,but I think it's wrong for an artist to cancel a show,make up an excuse,and not reschedule.To use the lame excuse "scheduling conflicts" is wrong.I remember when this was going on,one of Janet's biggest fans on this site,referred to her tour as the "Fuck Witchu Tour"

@mjscarousal

I don't need a further source, as you've already provided it. As you can read in the article, the promoter clearly was ready to reschedule, but it was Janet, who didn't find the time in her schedule to do her job and thus the tour ended after the last scheduled show in New York. It was her decision, not the promoter's, without any concern for her crew, which, according to Rowe's story, she was so concerned about them losing income. There was no second US leg planned or announced, also no european leg was planned or announced. They did try to do Japan in '09, but postponed/cancelled at the end of January, 2 weeks before it was supposed to happen, blaming the economy.


And even if Rowe just mixed up the years (which is kinda hard to believe that in 2010, when the book was released, he exactly knew the day, but didn't know whether he talked to Janet in 2007 or 2009), Janet was still talking about opening for the Jacksons on Larry King in February 2008. Rowe claimed that after Janet's call, in which she supposedly told him she got dropped, they met up with Michael at his place in Las Vegas (as, as he mentioned, he knew that he had returned to the states, which actually happened in December '06, so that would place that supposed phone call indeed right at the date of 2007 as mentioned in the book and not 2009), but even if we go with the theory that he mixed up the years, in January/February of 2009 Michael wasn't living in Las Vegas anymore. He lived in Los Angeles. So however you want to slice it, that story is fishy and mixes facts with fiction.


So Rowe claiming that Janet got dropped in '07 (as in "her tour cancelled by the promoter against her will") is no proof of anything. Just somebody boosting their own importance and not even getting the (made up) facts right. And you don't go from being "dropped" to doing your future tours with the very company that has "dropped" you and supposedly put you in a bad situation with economic loss for people depending on you.

And that is all I have to say to you in the matter, as it is starting to bore me.

SoulAlive said:

I don't know the whole story,but I think it's wrong for an artist to cancel a show,make up an excuse,and not reschedule.To use the lame excuse "scheduling conflicts" is wrong.I remember when this was going on,one of Janet's biggest fans on this site,referred to her tour as the "Fuck Witchu Tour"

LL was just the opening act though but IMO I think he decided to drop out of the tour because of all the cancellations. It was becoming messy and unreliable (can't say I blame him). I pray that Janet gets better because this go around it does sound serious. I hope she follows through with the rescheduling because I have tickets to see her.

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PatrickS77 said:

@mjscarousal

I don't need a further source, as you've already provided it. As you can read in the article, the promoter clearly was ready to reschedule, but it was Janet, who didn't find the time in her schedule to do her job and thus the tour ended after the last scheduled show in New York. It was her decision, not the promoter's, without any concern for her crew, which, according to Rowe's story, she was so concerned about them losing income. There was no second US leg planned or announced, also no european leg was planned or announced. They did try to do Japan in '09, but postponed/cancelled at the end of January, 2 weeks before it was supposed to happen, blaming the economy.

Why in your opinion do you think she could not find the time? I am asking because based on Rowe's claims, MJ bodyguard's claims (they tell the same story of how Leonard and Janet show up at Michael's house begging him to tour with brothers and her) and from Janet's own mouth she insists she wants to tour with her brothers. This all occured in 2008. So if she is trying to tour with her brothers and she is making public statements that she wants to tour with them soon why can't she fulfill the obligations for her own tour? Don't you think that should be more of a priority?

According to wikpedia, all her 2009 shows for the RockWitchu tour were canceled period. Her tour started in September of 2008 and ended November of 2008. It was suppose to go all the way in 2009 but all the shows suddenly got canceled due to Janet's "sickness" She did not do a show in 2009.

And even if Rowe just mixed up the years (which is kinda hard to believe that in 2010, when the book was released, he exactly knew the day, but didn't know whether he talked to Janet in 2007 or 2009), Janet was still talking about opening for the Jacksons on Larry King in February 2008. Rowe claimed that after Janet's call, in which she supposedly told him she got dropped, they met up with Michael at his place in Las Vegas (as, as he mentioned, he knew that he had returned to the states, which actually happened in December '06, so that would place that supposed phone call indeed right at the date of 2007 as mentioned in the book and not 2009), but even if we go with the theory that he mixed up the years, in January/February of 2009 Michael wasn't living in Las Vegas anymore. He lived in Los Angeles. So however you want to slice it, that story is fishy and mixes facts with fiction.

So Rowe claiming that Janet got dropped in '07 (as in "her tour cancelled by the promoter against her will") is no proof of anything. Just somebody boosting their own importance and not even getting the (made up) facts right. And you don't go from being "dropped" to doing your future tours with the very company that has "dropped" you and supposedly put you in a bad situation with economic loss for people depending on you.

And that is all I have to say to you in the matter, as it is starting to bore me.

I don't think his claims are fishy because he along with Michaels bodyguards and Raymon Bain Michaels old publicist tell the same story of how Janet, Leonard and the other Jackson siblings showed up at Michaels house unnannouced in an attempt to get him to tour with them.

What I find fishy is the fact that Janet was trying to tour with her brothers at the same time she had a tour of her own to fullfill Why is she begging Michael to tour when she has her own tour obligations to fullfill? Then she suddenly becomes sick and cancels all her shows. Thats whats fishy.

Janet eventually went on to do her Number Ones tour in which she played theaters. I can see why Live Nation brought her back. Janet played theaters and IMO they knew she could sell out those smaller venues considering she had a hard time selling out arenas in her RockWitch U tour. The receipts are all on Wiki. She did not sell out any of those venues in her Rock Wit U tour and some of the arenas were 60% full so its perfectly plausible the tour more than likely got canceled due to low ticket sells/low demand.

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It appears you are the one that is densed because you didn't read the context in why I asked that question. I think this time you should stop for real since you can't maturely give an intelligent response without being disrespectful. It was funny at first but now its getting kinda ridiculous. Nobody attacked you for all this hostility you are giving and considering the fact that you haven't backed up any of your opinions with concrete evidence or sources.

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mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

Janets talked about this family tour herself

29 February 2008
JANET JACKSON has dismissed reports she is shunning a JACKSON 5 reunion tour, insisting she's the one urging her siblings to go ahead with the gigs. The R+B star was alleged to have refused a support slot on the group's planned world tour, which her older brother Jermaine Jackson is trying to organise. But she claims she'd be delighted to hit the road with her family, if only the rest of the legendary band would agree to the tour. She tells Larry King, "I would love to (tour with them). I get my brothers on the phone all the time. I'm the biggest fan of the Jacksons, The Jackson 5. "I have conference calls all the time pushing them to do a huge tour. I tell them if they did, I would love to open for them. "I have never opened for anyone. My very first tour, I was the headline. It was a nation(wide) tour. I never opened for anyone. It would be an honour." But when asked which of her siblings is refraining from the comeback tour, she refuses to confirm reports it's Michael, coyly adding: "They would love to, but one of them is on the fence. You have to respect that. He's worked very hard at his solo career. I don't know. Maybe he'll come around. Still kind of working on him."

Janet goes on Larry King and talks about the rumors about a possible family tour and even insists she wants to tour with her brother and this is during the time she is promoting Discipline. Its on youtube as well. I still need to find the passage from MJs bodyguards because they insisted in their book that the Jacksons showed up at MJ's house in 2008, (the same description Leonard gives in his book).

Also, Janet canceled alot of U.S. dates at the beginning of the tour not just the second leg.When you look at the chart of the percentage of attendees for the shows that she did do, none of the venues were sold out for that tour. They were 70%-80% sold out. Some were even 60% and these were for the arena venues. If she is sick with Vertigo, why is she trying to tour with her brothers? Okay so the tour started in late 08 but even some of the shows were canceled during the first leg it started. Im looking at wikipedia for some of the show dates can you provide another source since you claim this is not true? The first two months the show started, 7 shows were suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. This was during the same time she was trying to tour with her brothers.

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janet has been saying she wanted to work with her brothers, matter fact jackie just said that randy told him janet wants to tour with her brothers maybe after the unbreakable tour. why would she go to leonard rowe who works with joe? janet havent had anything to do with joe in decades. when she was on the radio talking about touring with the jackson 5 it was before the rock wit you tour, how could she tour with them while on her own tour? also the family tour obviously never happened, so if she told leonard rowe she needed money for her band what happened? nobody sued janet over not being paid.

mjscarousal said:

@Patrick, instead of cussing at people you disagree with, why don't you back up your opinions with sources. I asked you if you if you could support your claim with sources.

Janet only did 16 shows in her RockWitchu tour and then it was suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. Her second leg, Japan and European leg was canceled as well.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/janet-jackson-cancels-postponed-dates-as-tour-comes-to-swift-end-20081105

Janet Jackson Will Not Schedule Canceled Rockwitchu Stops, Tour Organizer Says

11/6/2008

Live Nation says schedule conflicts prevent singer from making up seven of the nine dates she missed due to migraines.by chris harris 11/6/2008

Janet Jackson has announced that she won’t be rescheduling seven tour stops she was forced to postpone last month due to migraine-associated vertigo.

According to The Associated Press, the 42-year-old singer is not choreographing any of the makeup dates for the seven Rock Witchu Tour dates she’d canceled , because of “conflicts in the singer’s schedule,” a statement released by tour organizer Live Nation claims.
Jackson first fell ill during sound check for a September 29 show in Montreal and ended up postponing shows in Philadelphia; Boston; Greensboro, North Carolina; Atlanta; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Uncasville, Connecticut; Verona, New York; and New York City. She did reschedule the shows in Atlanta and New York.
(Read reviews of Janet’s shows in Los Angeles and New York in the MTV Newsroom.)
At first, the singer’s publicists would not reveal details about Jackson’s illness, saying only that the onset of the malaise was sudden. Jackson was hospitalized briefly because of her condition, the symptoms of which include dizziness and imbalance.
Jackson’s first tour in seven years has been a troubled affair, to say the least. After postponing several shows, opening act LL Cool J announced that he would be dropping off the bill due to unspecified “scheduling conflicts.”
It’s been a rough year for Jackson, who recently parted ways Island Def Jam Records after just 14 months with the label. Back in April, while promoting her latest album, Discipline, Jackson missed an appearance on “Saturday Night Live” due to bronchitis.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1598715/janet-jackson-will-not-reschedule-canceled-rock-witchu-stops-tour-organizer-says/

So the RockWitchu Tour did not go into 2009. Also the Rockwitchu tour started in September of 2008 and abruptly ended in November due to constant cancellations. The link is right above can you provide any other sources Patrick for your opinions? To be clear, I am not trying to bash Janet or talk down on her but she was in fact dropped by Live Nation due to low ticket sells in 2008. My opinions are not solely based on Rowes claims and his claims are supported by other sources.

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she was not 'dropped' by live nation, the tour was canceled because of her. she worked with live nation on the ucap tour and is currently working with them. what other sources is there to back up what rowe says? the bodyguards said they dont know what was discussed when the family visited michael becasue they were not in the room.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

janet has been saying she wanted to work with her brothers, matter fact jackie just said that randy told him janet wants to tour with her brothers maybe after the unbreakable tour. why would she go to leonard rowe who works with joe? janet havent had anything to do with joe in decades. when she was on the radio talking about touring with the jackson 5 it was before the rock wit you tour, how could she tour with them while on her own tour? also the family tour obviously never happened, so if she told leonard rowe she needed money for her band what happened? nobody sued janet over not being paid.

Well your asking the same questions I had. Why was Janet trying to tour with her brothers when she had a tour of her own to fullfill? She went on Larry King of 2008 insisting that she wanted to tour with her brothers and that Michael was the only one holding out. She repeatedly made statements discussing a Jackson tour during the Rock Witchu Tour. If Janet wanted to tour with her brothers, why didn't she tour with them after MJ passed? IMO, she only wanted to tour with her brothers in 08 because she was dropped by Live Nation and imo she was only going to do it if MJ was involved. She could have toured with after MJ passed but she didn't.

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lowkey said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

@Patrick, instead of cussing at people you disagree with, why don't you back up your opinions with sources. I asked you if you if you could support your claim with sources.

Janet only did 16 shows in her RockWitchu tour and then it was suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. Her second leg, Japan and European leg was canceled as well.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/janet-jackson-cancels-postponed-dates-as-tour-comes-to-swift-end-20081105

Janet Jackson Will Not Schedule Canceled Rockwitchu Stops, Tour Organizer Says

11/6/2008

Live Nation says schedule conflicts prevent singer from making up seven of the nine dates she missed due to migraines.by chris harris 11/6/2008

Janet Jackson has announced that she won’t be rescheduling seven tour stops she was forced to postpone last month due to migraine-associated vertigo.

According to The Associated Press, the 42-year-old singer is not choreographing any of the makeup dates for the seven Rock Witchu Tour dates she’d canceled , because of “conflicts in the singer’s schedule,” a statement released by tour organizer Live Nation claims.
Jackson first fell ill during sound check for a September 29 show in Montreal and ended up postponing shows in Philadelphia; Boston; Greensboro, North Carolina; Atlanta; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Uncasville, Connecticut; Verona, New York; and New York City. She did reschedule the shows in Atlanta and New York.
(Read reviews of Janet’s shows in Los Angeles and New York in the MTV Newsroom.)
At first, the singer’s publicists would not reveal details about Jackson’s illness, saying only that the onset of the malaise was sudden. Jackson was hospitalized briefly because of her condition, the symptoms of which include dizziness and imbalance.
Jackson’s first tour in seven years has been a troubled affair, to say the least. After postponing several shows, opening act LL Cool J announced that he would be dropping off the bill due to unspecified “scheduling conflicts.”
It’s been a rough year for Jackson, who recently parted ways Island Def Jam Records after just 14 months with the label. Back in April, while promoting her latest album, Discipline, Jackson missed an appearance on “Saturday Night Live” due to bronchitis.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1598715/janet-jackson-will-not-reschedule-canceled-rock-witchu-stops-tour-organizer-says/

So the RockWitchu Tour did not go into 2009. Also the Rockwitchu tour started in September of 2008 and abruptly ended in November due to constant cancellations. The link is right above can you provide any other sources Patrick for your opinions? To be clear, I am not trying to bash Janet or talk down on her but she was in fact dropped by Live Nation due to low ticket sells in 2008. My opinions are not solely based on Rowes claims and his claims are supported by other sources.

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she was not 'dropped' by live nation, the tour was canceled because of her. she worked with live nation on the ucap tour and is currently working with them. what other sources is there to back up what rowe says? the bodyguards said they dont know what was discussed when the family visited michael becasue they were not in the room.

That meeting doubled as an intervention. Mj was in no condition of touring. Because they found out he was under the influence and was in no shape or form ready to go out on anybodies tour(his shocking appearance was rail thin). Unless it was on his own merits. Which turned into the 02 Arena appearances that never happen. The one that he agreed to do so he can break 's record. Sadly I don't think he would have gotten through that tour. It wasn't meant to be.

Free2BMe said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That meeting doubled as an intervention. Mj was in no condition of touring. Because they found out he was under the influence and was in no shape or form ready to go out on anybodies tour(his shocking appearance was rail thin). Unless it was on his own merits. Which turned into the 02 Arena appearances that never happen. The one that he agreed to do so he can break 's record. Sadly I don't think he would have gotten through that tour. It wasn't meant to be.

I call bullshit about the so-called "intervention". Anyone with a semblance of rationality knows that a family member wouldn't BADGER the #%*^ out of a person to do a MAJOR tour IF that person was in as bad a shape as Janet claimed. Does that even make any sense to you? Damn, just use common sense, even if you are a Janet Stan. There was no intervention. Btw, Michael didn't agree to do the THis Is It tour, to break Prince's record. He was going to do that anyway. I think the promoter said he jokingly said something about Prine's 21 nights and "breaking" that record. The bottomline is that Michael did break Prince's record by a DOUBLE amount, and could have sold out 100 shows, if he had allowed the promoters to continue. The promoters said that they had sold enough tickets for another 50 shows. The fact that these shows never happened, because of Michael's murder, will NEVER diminish the FACT that Michael SOLD out 50 shows with NO PROMOTION, NO NEW ALBUM, NOTHING except the sheer force of his name, legacy and career merit. Again, YOU are the one who keeps bringing this up and when MJ fans defend him, people in this org.want to snip the discussion Or you start whining about MJ fans, when it is you who iniates the debate, with your constant Michael comparisons to Janet or Prince. I really think that you do this intentionally.

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Free2BMe said:

I call bullshit about the so-called "intervention". Anyone with a semblance of rationality knows that a family member wouldn't BADGER the #%*^ out of a person to do a MAJOR tour IF that person was in as bad a shape as Janet claimed. Does that even make any sense to you? Damn, just use common sense, even if you are a Janet Stan. There was no intervention. Btw, Michael didn't agree to do the THis Is It tour, to break Prince's record. He was going to do that anyway. I think the promoter said he jokingly said something about Prine's 21 nights and "breaking" that record. The bottomline is that Michael did break Prince's record by a DOUBLE amount, and could have sold out 100 shows, if he had allowed the promoters to continue. The promoters said that they had sold enough tickets for another 50 shows. The fact that these shows never happened, because of Michael's murder, will NEVER diminish the FACT that Michael SOLD out 50 shows with NO PROMOTION, NO NEW ALBUM, NOTHING except the sheer force of his name, legacy and career merit. Again, YOU are the one who keeps bringing this up and when MJ fans defend him, people in this org.want to snip the discussion Or you start whining about MJ fans, when it is you who iniates the debate, with your constant Michael comparisons to Janet or Prince. I really think that you do this intentionally.

My last comment about this(btw I do love Mj). Mj didn't break 's record! Because sadly he was never able to play those shows. So it doesn't count. Plus refunds were issued. Frank Dileo did confirm before he passed away that Mj was obsessed with breaking 's record. Which is why he agreed to do ALL those dates. Even though I still feel had MJ lived he still would have NEVER completed them. He wasn't strong enough. Which is why he originally passed on the Jackson five reunion tour.

Yes. And why wouldn't he have completed those shows? He didn't die because of exhaustion, he died because he was killed by his doctor.

PatrickS77 said:

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That meeting doubled as an intervention. Mj was in no condition of touring. Because they found out he was under the influence and was in no shape or form ready to go out on anybodies tour(his shocking appearance was rail thin). Unless it was on his own merits. Which turned into the 02 Arena appearances that never happen. The one that he agreed to do so he can break 's record. Sadly I don't think he would have gotten through that tour. It wasn't meant to be.

I call bullshit about the so-called "intervention". Anyone with a semblance of rationality knows that a family member wouldn't BADGER the #%*^ out of a person to do a MAJOR tour IF that person was in as bad a shape as Janet claimed. Does that even make any sense to you? Damn, just use common sense, even if you are a Janet Stan. There was no intervention. Btw, Michael didn't agree to do the THis Is It tour, to break Prince's record. He was going to do that anyway. I think the promoter said he jokingly said something about Prine's 21 nights and "breaking" that record. The bottomline is that Michael did break Prince's record by a DOUBLE amount, and could have sold out 100 shows, if he had allowed the promoters to continue. The promoters said that they had sold enough tickets for another 50 shows. The fact that these shows never happened, because of Michael's murder, will NEVER diminish the FACT that Michael SOLD out 50 shows with NO PROMOTION, NO NEW ALBUM, NOTHING except the sheer force of his name, legacy and career merit. Again, YOU are the one who keeps bringing this up and when MJ fans defend him, people in this org.want to snip the discussion Or you start whining about MJ fans, when it is you who iniates the debate, with your constant Michael comparisons to Janet or Prince. I really think that you do this intentionally.

If Michael was this raving drug addict, why was the family begging him to tour? Surely they would know he was not fit to tour if that was honestly the case. The whole family is full of bullshit. Those meetings were meetings to get Michael to TOUR. They were not interventions.

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said:

I call bullshit about the so-called "intervention". Anyone with a semblance of rationality knows that a family member wouldn't BADGER the #%*^ out of a person to do a MAJOR tour IF that person was in as bad a shape as Janet claimed. Does that even make any sense to you? Damn, just use common sense, even if you are a Janet Stan. There was no intervention. Btw, Michael didn't agree to do the THis Is It tour, to break Prince's record. He was going to do that anyway. I think the promoter said he jokingly said something about Prine's 21 nights and "breaking" that record. The bottomline is that Michael did break Prince's record by a DOUBLE amount, and could have sold out 100 shows, if he had allowed the promoters to continue. The promoters said that they had sold enough tickets for another 50 shows. The fact that these shows never happened, because of Michael's murder, will NEVER diminish the FACT that Michael SOLD out 50 shows with NO PROMOTION, NO NEW ALBUM, NOTHING except the sheer force of his name, legacy and career merit. Again, YOU are the one who keeps bringing this up and when MJ fans defend him, people in this org.want to snip the discussion Or you start whining about MJ fans, when it is you who iniates the debate, with your constant Michael comparisons to Janet or Prince. I really think that you do this intentionally.

Exactly. Agreed. As for your previous comments to mjscarousel... give it up. Common sense, logical thinking and reading comprehension clearly do not go together with her/him. Big waste of time. And better stop the MJ talk before some supermod sweeps in and deletes everything or locks it down. [Edited 12/28/15 6:36am]

Don't badger other people with your immature b.s. just because your mad you can't have a mature conversation. You seriously look pathetic right now, just let it go, move on as you said you would.

mjscarousal said:

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77 said:

Free2BMe said: Exactly. Agreed. As for your previous comments to mjscarousel... give it up. Common sense, logical thinking and reading comprehension clearly do not go together with her/him. Big waste of time. And better stop the MJ talk before some supermod sweeps in and deletes everything or locks it down. [Edited 12/28/15 6:36am]

Don't badger other people with your immature b.s. just because your mad you can't have a mature conversation. You seriously look pathetic right now, just let it go, move on as you said you would.

The only one looking pathetic is you, with your quotes that don't even suport your claims and your lack of comprehension and logical thinking.

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