I don't think its vocal surgery but whatever it is I am hoping Janet recovers soon so (if it is legitmate). Janet is notorious for saying similiar things in the past due to low ticket sales but her Unbreakable shows have been selling out so I am going to assume it might be something serious....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Are U calling Janet a liar?

I'm not calling Janet a liar at all

I love Janet and hope she as we all do live her life in peace and joy

but she knows she can't really delve into what is really going on

whitesockedfunk said:

getxxxx said:

Vocal surgery is the word on the street.

But she does not sing live?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

That was aimed @ Mjscarousal...

my bad

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Are U calling Janet a liar?

Janet is a very secretive person and hides alot of things,so that's probably why someone would be skeptical about this announcement.I remember in the early 90s when she was denying that she was married to Rene,but of course,she really was married to him,lol.And then there's the vertigo cancellations during the 2008 tour.Many of the shows had poor ticket sales,so of course,people assumed that was the real reason for the cancellations.

^ Thanks alphastreet we all have been speculating and making opinions

SoulAlive said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Are U calling Janet a liar?

Janet is a very secretive person and hides alot of things,so that's probably why someone would be skeptical about this announcement.I remember in the early 90s when she was denying that she was married to Rene,but of course,she really was married to him,lol.And then there's the vertigo cancellations during the 2008 tour.Many of the shows had poor ticket sales,so of course,people assumed that was the real reason for the cancellations.

Thanks, I never called Janet a liar.

Remember that persistent rumor about Janet having a secret child? The reason why stories like that exist is because she's so secretive It's probably best to just be open and upfront.

I was in a group of people talking (and Janet came up) a guy and his wife asked us did we see the recent image/vid of Janet on tour in an almost see through bodysuit with just a little to cover her vag, and how she had a guy on the ground straddling him with her vag right is his face area...

I told them I don't think she did anything like that, but they insisted...
Anyone know of this on the Unbreakable tour?

OldFriends4Sale said:

getxxxx said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I was in a group of people talking (and Janet came up) a guy and his wife asked us did we see the recent image/vid of Janet on tour in an almost see through bodysuit with just a little to cover her vag, and how she had a guy on the ground straddling him with her vag right is his face area...

I told them I don't think she did anything like that, but they insisted...
Anyone know of this on the Unbreakable tour?

That was when she headlined Essence Fest

that was during the Discipline tour 2008-?

PatrickS77

A lot of blablabla by an old man trying to make himself important. Too bad he got the dates wrong for his stories. The Rock witchu tour was at the end of 2008. There was no tour in 2006 or 2007 for which she could have been dropped due to low ticket sales.

Where are you getting 2006 from? He never mentions 2006 in his book or in that passage. He didn't get the dates wrong. Leonard got the year wrong. He got 2007 mixed up with 2008.....BUT his story is supported by other sources. MJ's body guards also insisted the family came over to MJ's house in Vegas with Janet and Leonard in 2008 because they wanted to have a family tour. Leonard says the same thing in his book and describes the same scenario in how they showed up unannouced at Michael's house.

Leonard came up with the idea of the family tour because Janet needed money to pay back her band in 2008 because she was dropped by Live Nation. I will post more of the passages later and passage from body guard book.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

getxxxx said:

OldFriends4Sale said: That was when she headlined Essence Fest

that was during the Discipline tour 2008-?

2010

Not so unbreakable after all. Damn.

mjscarousal said:

PatrickS77

A lot of blablabla by an old man trying to make himself important. Too bad he got the dates wrong for his stories. The Rock witchu tour was at the end of 2008. There was no tour in 2006 or 2007 for which she could have been dropped due to low ticket sales.

Where are you getting 2006 from? He never mentions 2006 in his book or in that passage. He didn't get the dates wrong. Leonard got the year wrong. He got 2007 mixed up with 2008.....BUT his story is supported by other sources. MJ's body guards also insisted the family came over to MJ's house in Vegas with Janet and Leonard in 2008 because they wanted to have a family tour. Leonard says the same thing in his book and describes the same scenario in how they showed up unannouced at Michael's house.

Leonard came up with the idea of the family tour because Janet needed money to pay back her band in 2008 because she was dropped by Live Nation. I will post more of the passages later and passage from body guard book.

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Geez. Read your fucking quote and don't get smart with me. It said he got the call in February '07. So the tour must have gotten cancelled in '06 (the year she had a new album) or '07. But since in both years there was no tour and the Rock Witchu tour was at the end of '08, with a further attempt in '09 to do a Japan tour and like I said before she did both the 2011 and 2015 tours with Live Nation, so I call bullshit to that story.

And I see the rats are crawling out of their holes again. I know Janet's track record is not all too well, but before jumping to conclusions, why not wait and see what happens? The US tour, unlike the european tour, is doing really well, so there is no real need to cancel that.

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Is she turning into chaka Khan?

PatrickS77 said:

mjscarousal said:

Where are you getting 2006 from? He never mentions 2006 in his book or in that passage. He didn't get the dates wrong. Leonard got the year wrong. He got 2007 mixed up with 2008.....BUT his story is supported by other sources. MJ's body guards also insisted the family came over to MJ's house in Vegas with Janet and Leonard in 2008 because they wanted to have a family tour. Leonard says the same thing in his book and describes the same scenario in how they showed up unannouced at Michael's house.

Leonard came up with the idea of the family tour because Janet needed money to pay back her band in 2008 because she was dropped by Live Nation. I will post more of the passages later and passage from body guard book.

[Edited 12/26/15 8:08am]

Geez. Read your fucking quote and don't get smart with me. It said he got the call in February '07. So the tour must have gotten cancelled in '06 (the year she had a new album) or '07. But since in both years there was no tour and the Rock Witchu tour was at the end of '08, with a further attempt in '09 to do a Japan tour and like I said before she did both the 2011 and 2015 tours with Live Nation, so I call bullshit to that story.

And I see the rats are crawling out of their holes again. I know Janet's track record is not all too well, but before jumping to conclusions, why not wait and see what happens? The US tour, unlike the european tour, is doing really well, so there is no real need to cancel that.

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First off, you need to slow down. I was not getting smart with you at all. It said he got the call of Feb of 07, correct.I already knowledged he got the year mixed up. However, there are other sources that show that Leonard's story is accurate and his month/date is accurate. The bolded don't even make since. Janet was working on choreography for a possible tour in 07 but she was never scheduled to tour and Live Nation never scheduled dates for her. I think Leonard got his years mixed up because other sources support the same thing he states.

Also, I never implied Janet's christmas eve tweet was a lie. Someone wanted further information regarding why the 2008 tour suddenly got canceled and I just provided it.

More from Leonard's book who by the way is Joe's business partner and has worked with the Jackson for years.

I pondered over her problem all afternoon, and I came up with three scenarios. I knew Michael had returned to the states. He was now living in Las Vegas.I later called her and said to her, ‘I’m going to Las Vegas, talk to Michael, and see if I can get him to get back with the brothers and tour. If he agrees to do that, I want you Janet, to be the opening act.’ Janet loved the idea. She asked me when I was going to Las Vegas. I told her I was going in a few days possibly Saturday. She asked if she could meet me there because she was flying back to Los Angeles, and would have her driver bring her to Las Vegas, so she could be there when I arrived that morning.I arrived in Las Vegas that Saturday around 5pm; we had decided that we were going to meet at her older sister, Rebbie’s house before going over to Michael’s. To my surprise, Jermaine, Marlon, Randy and Jackie were also there. After a short meeting we left to go over to Michael’s house about 7pm; when we arrived we were met by Michael’s security. We told them we were there to see Michael. He told us to wait one minute while he went inside to tell Michael that we were out there. When the guard returned he asked each of us to write down our names so Michael would know exactly who we were. After about fifteen minutes the security guard returned and led us into the house. When I saw Michael I could tell he was very nervous, I truly think he thought we were there for another reason. I noticed immediately that he was very thin. We went into the movie theatre room of the house to talk.I began to explain to Michael why we had come to see him. I told him that we wanted him to reunite with his brothers and to tour America. I told him Janet had agreed to be the opening act. I told him that I felt this tour would be highly successful. He said that he agreed that it would be. But he said, ‘I just can’t do it now, I have other things I am planning and working on.’ We stayed there for a few hours trying to persuade him. I think Janet was becoming somewhat angry with him. His final words to us were, ‘Maybe next year in 2008 I will be ready.’ To me this wasn’t bad because I would need the time to prepare for a tour of this magnitude, but Janet needed to work that summer. She had committed the month of July to her band, and she needed to fulfill that commitment. I could tell that Michael was becoming irritable and we decided to leave.

Janets talked about this family tour herself

29 February 2008
JANET JACKSON has dismissed reports she is shunning a JACKSON 5 reunion tour, insisting she's the one urging her siblings to go ahead with the gigs. The R+B star was alleged to have refused a support slot on the group's planned world tour, which her older brother Jermaine Jackson is trying to organise. But she claims she'd be delighted to hit the road with her family, if only the rest of the legendary band would agree to the tour. She tells Larry King, "I would love to (tour with them). I get my brothers on the phone all the time. I'm the biggest fan of the Jacksons, The Jackson 5. "I have conference calls all the time pushing them to do a huge tour. I tell them if they did, I would love to open for them. "I have never opened for anyone. My very first tour, I was the headline. It was a nation(wide) tour. I never opened for anyone. It would be an honour." But when asked which of her siblings is refraining from the comeback tour, she refuses to confirm reports it's Michael, coyly adding: "They would love to, but one of them is on the fence. You have to respect that. He's worked very hard at his solo career. I don't know. Maybe he'll come around. Still kind of working on him."

Janet goes on Larry King and talks about the rumors about a possible family tour and even insists she wants to tour with her brother and this is during the time she is promoting Discipline. Its on youtube as well. I still need to find the passage from MJs bodyguards because they insisted in their book that the Jacksons showed up at MJ's house in 2008, (the same description Leonard gives in his book).

Also, Janet canceled alot of U.S. dates at the beginning of the tour not just the second leg.When you look at the chart of the percentage of attendees for the shows that she did do, none of the venues were sold out for that tour. They were 70%-80% sold out. Some were even 60% and these were for the arena venues. If she is sick with Vertigo, why is she trying to tour with her brothers? Okay so the tour started in late 08 but even some of the shows were canceled during the first leg it started. Im looking at wikipedia for some of the show dates can you provide another source since you claim this is not true? The first two months the show started, 7 shows were suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. This was during the same time she was trying to tour with her brothers.

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^^wow...so Janet was OK with being the opening act on a Jacksons reunion tour?

@mjscarousal

How is someone to be trusted, who doesn't even get a simple thing like a date right, especially one who attempts paint a timeline to show what has happened before Michael's death? And of course, he had to publish a book about it, not all that long after Michael's death. So we know his motives. It's mostly to make money and not to set the record straight. And why is he talking about a summer 2007 tour, when Janet's tour clearly went on in the fall, winter and spring of 2008 and 09?

So yes, that the bolded part doesn't make sense is exactly my point. I know that Janet talked on Larry King about touring with the Jacksons and her opening, that was on February 28th, 2008 (so what does that has to do with her supposed vertigo which she supposedly was suffering from in September/October of 2008?). I know that the family wanted to tour with Michael. I'm aware that Rowe worked with Joseph. But Joseph also worked with Michael and Michael apparently didn't want anything to do with Joseph (and the family for that matter) businesswise (which in my opinion is/was a shame... a joint tour would have made his comeback so much easier and really helped everyone involved).

I'm taking issue with your/his claims that Janet was dropped by Live Nation and that like a little frightened girl she ran to Rowe to bail her out (for which he had the genius plan of "Uhm, let's ask Michael."). She did not get "dropped". Dropped means the tour got cancelled against her wishes and Live Nation refused to further work with her, which is not the truth. The US tour didn't get extended beyond the intial announced dates and the cancelled shows didn't get a new date, most likely due to low ticket sales (even though I think they still would be in the black even if they only sell 60 or 70% of the ticktets). But still they were committed to do a Japan tour and further worked with her on her next 2 tours. So if there would have happened any "dropping" against Janet's wishes, I'm sure there wouldn't have been a further partnership.

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PatrickS77 said:

Where are you getting 2006 from? He never mentions 2006 in his book or in that passage. He didn't get the dates wrong. Leonard got the year wrong. He got 2007 mixed up with 2008.....BUT his story is supported by other sources. MJ's body guards also insisted the family came over to MJ's house in Vegas with Janet and Leonard in 2008 because they wanted to have a family tour. Leonard says the same thing in his book and describes the same scenario in how they showed up unannouced at Michael's house.

Leonard came up with the idea of the family tour because Janet needed money to pay back her band in 2008 because she was dropped by Live Nation. I will post more of the passages later and passage from body guard book.

SNIPPING MJ Discussion

@Patrick, instead of cussing at people you disagree with, why don't you back up your opinions with sources. I asked you if you if you could support your claim with sources.

Janet only did 16 shows in her RockWitchu tour and then it was suddenly canceled due to Vertigo. Her second leg, Japan and European leg was canceled as well.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/janet-jackson-cancels-postponed-dates-as-tour-comes-to-swift-end-20081105

Janet Jackson Will Not Schedule Canceled Rockwitchu Stops, Tour Organizer Says

11/6/2008

Live Nation says schedule conflicts prevent singer from making up seven of the nine dates she missed due to migraines.by chris harris 11/6/2008

Janet Jackson has announced that she won’t be rescheduling seven tour stops she was forced to postpone last month due to migraine-associated vertigo.

According to The Associated Press, the 42-year-old singer is not choreographing any of the makeup dates for the seven Rock Witchu Tour dates she’d canceled , because of “conflicts in the singer’s schedule,” a statement released by tour organizer Live Nation claims.
Jackson first fell ill during sound check for a September 29 show in Montreal and ended up postponing shows in Philadelphia; Boston; Greensboro, North Carolina; Atlanta; Fort Lauderdale, Florida; Uncasville, Connecticut; Verona, New York; and New York City. She did reschedule the shows in Atlanta and New York.
(Read reviews of Janet’s shows in Los Angeles and New York in the MTV Newsroom.)
At first, the singer’s publicists would not reveal details about Jackson’s illness, saying only that the onset of the malaise was sudden. Jackson was hospitalized briefly because of her condition, the symptoms of which include dizziness and imbalance.
Jackson’s first tour in seven years has been a troubled affair, to say the least. After postponing several shows, opening act LL Cool J announced that he would be dropping off the bill due to unspecified “scheduling conflicts.”
It’s been a rough year for Jackson, who recently parted ways Island Def Jam Records after just 14 months with the label. Back in April, while promoting her latest album, Discipline, Jackson missed an appearance on “Saturday Night Live” due to bronchitis.

http://www.mtv.com/news/1598715/janet-jackson-will-not-reschedule-canceled-rock-witchu-stops-tour-organizer-says/

So the RockWitchu Tour did not go into 2009. Also the Rockwitchu tour started in September of 2008 and abruptly ended in November due to constant cancellations. The link is right above can you provide any other sources Patrick for your opinions? To be clear, I am not trying to bash Janet or talk down on her but she was in fact dropped by Live Nation due to low ticket sells in 2008. My opinions are not solely based on Rowes claims and his claims are supported by other sources.

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