I agree with Shelia 100%. I've also agree with Kid Rock when he complain about THE same problem of the 2014 Billboard Awards.

So this makes two years in the row that music fans wasted their f***ing time watching what was mostly a "Putting On The Hits" inspired lip-syncing game show. Why music fans continuing to allow themselves to be taken for granted, I'll never understand.

lezama said:

CynicKill said:

{snip} a bunch of garbage was here

Glad I missed that..

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Amen x 1000000

.

A good reminder why I mostly listen to older music (with limited exceptions, including EDM/other electronica and alt rock).

duccichucka said:

JoeTyler said:

music is dead and the only thing we have left i old legends complaining about it, which offers some relief, but it's not enough

2015 is what happens when you let the industry be ruled by mediocre 18-30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists", sellout rappers, all of them offering lip service to petulant, ignorant teenagers from the "iPhone era" living in their own bubble...

Ah, I think I'm gonna listen to my old '70s records again...

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

I exactly know where to put this vile pile of words:

TonyVanDam said:

I agree with Shelia 100%. I've also agree with Kid Rock when he complain about THE same problem of the 2014 Billboard Awards.

So this makes two years in the row that music fans wasted their f***ing time watching what was mostly a "Putting On The Hits" inspired lip-syncing game show. Why music fans continuing to allow themselves to be taken for granted, I'll never understand.

The music industry has never had this many options to choose the kind of music that fits any person's musical taste than ever before. The Billboard Music Awards and Grammy Awards represent the old guard of the music business. I hate performers that lip-synch and the crappy music made by artists who care more about their social media followers, bossip hits and branding, but in this day and age complaining about artists lip syncing at award shows is like complaining about the one large fast food chain in your neighborhood while ignoring the alternative healthier restaurants. There will always be disposable music but if more people actually bought more music from artists with actual talent, there would be no need for Sheila E., Prince and Kid Rock to bitch about it.

[Edited 5/20/15 21:20pm]

Kanye West is an idiot asshole, and there's nothing likable about him.

1contessa said:

duccichucka said:

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

You gotta be joking.Sure,every decade has its share of crap music,but back then,good music frequently ruled the charts.In the 70s,you had important,credible artists like Stevie Wonder,Carole King,Aretha Franklin,Fleetwood Mac,Santana,The Eagles,Bill Withers,Marvin Gaye,Curtis Mayfield,Earth Wind & Fire,Bee Gees,Parliament,Funkadelic,Elton John,etc...all making amazing,smart,thoughful music.And their music was the music that dominated the radio!! Nowadays,the radio airwaves are dominated by vapid,boring pop starlets,wannabees and lame hip-hop.Are you really trying to compare the 70s pop music scene to the CRAP that we have now?!

SoulAlive said:

duccichucka said:

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

You gotta be joking.Sure,every decade has its share of crap music,but back then,good music frequently ruled the charts.In the 70s,you had important,credible artists like Stevie Wonder,Carole King,Aretha Franklin,Fleetwood Mac,Santana,The Eagles,Bill Withers,Marvin Gaye,Curtis Mayfield,Earth Wind & Fire,Bee Gees,Parliament,Funkadelic,Elton John,etc...all making amazing,smart,thoughful music.And their music was the music that dominated the radio!! Nowadays,the radio airwaves are dominated by vapid,boring pop starlets,wannabees and lame hip-hop.Are you really trying to compare the 70s pop music scene to the CRAP that we have now?!

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The fact that a small but significant number of younger folk are turned on to older music tells you it's not a matter of the listener being behind the times...

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Also, didn't Billboard have to create their "catalog album" chart because some older albums were outselling the contemporary "bestsellers"? I doubt that's all due to 40-somethings or older who are buying extra copies of Back in Black, The Dark Side of the Moon, etc etc.

missfee said:

I agree with both of you..

There's always been 'throwaway' 'non compelling' artists & music..

Back in the day you had to at least have SOME REAL TALENT!

Today you really dont even need to concern yourself with talent if the package/look is right.

That along with 'Computer Recording' IMHO has made this nightmare a reality.

SoulAlive said:

duccichucka said:

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

You gotta be joking.Sure,every decade has its share of crap music,but back then,good music frequently ruled the charts.In the 70s,you had important,credible artists like Stevie Wonder,Carole King,Aretha Franklin,Fleetwood Mac,Santana,The Eagles,Bill Withers,Marvin Gaye,Curtis Mayfield,Earth Wind & Fire,Bee Gees,Parliament,Funkadelic,Elton John,etc...all making amazing,smart,thoughful music.And their music was the music that dominated the radio!! Nowadays,the radio airwaves are dominated by vapid,boring pop starlets,wannabees and lame hip-hop.Are you really trying to compare the 70s pop music scene to the CRAP that we have now?!

SoulAlive said:

duccichucka said:

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

You gotta be joking.Sure,every decade has its share of crap music,but back then,good music frequently ruled the charts.In the 70s,you had important,credible artists like Stevie Wonder,Carole King,Aretha Franklin,Fleetwood Mac,Santana,The Eagles,Bill Withers,Marvin Gaye,Curtis Mayfield,Earth Wind & Fire,Bee Gees,Parliament,Funkadelic,Elton John,etc...all making amazing,smart,thoughful music.And their music was the music that dominated the radio!! Nowadays,the radio airwaves are dominated by vapid,boring pop starlets,wannabees and lame hip-hop.Are you really trying to compare the 70s pop music scene to the CRAP that we have now?!

No, I'm not joking, and I'll throw the gauntlet down, then:

Prove that the "70s pop music scence" is superior to today's pop music scene. I hope that
you are seriously trained as a musicologist who is able to:

1. Show unilaterally what "good" music is (and provide examples)
2. Show unilaterally what "bad" music is (and provide examples)
3. Able to clearly indicate how what occurred musically in the 70s is "better" than what occurs
contemporarily.

Otherwise, what you are really arguing is a matter of taste, not quality.

And remember....I'm not claiming one is better or worse. I'm simply claiming that cheezy
music always charts moreso than "good music" and that "good music" is mostly relative
to the time it was released. In the 70s, you had those in one age group bemoaning
the Stevie Wonders of the world while reminiscing about Nat "King" Cole, just like you are
wistful of yesterday while the kiddies of today could care less about Stevie Wonder, who
cannot sell music like he did in the 70s.

I know where your heart is, and it's in the right place. But your argument is really unfounded.

JoeTyler said:

duccichucka said:

Hate to be the one to break this to you, but the music biz has always been ruled by "mediocre 18-
30 yo AOR folk, fame-oriented dance-pop "artists."" If you go back to the Billboard charts in the
60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, you'll find cookie-cutter recording artists charting who are mostly slinging
what music industry taste makers want you to dig as opposed to selling seminal or even good
music chiefly. In other words, smart, intelligent, thoughtful pop music is rarely as profitable as
cheez. In other, other words, the populace has always been suckers for bad taste.

Check it out, here, Joe - and click on the succeeding years and you'll see that what was popular in
the 70s is certifiable cheez and cannot be shown to be artistically superior/inferior to any decade
of recorded music.

Music is not dead. Music has never died. What is happening is that you are getting old and your
taste is not in fashion anymore. The R&B I listened to on the radio in the 90s isn't better or
worse artistically than what I hear today or what my parents heard in their day. It's simply a
matter of taste and age! In twenty years, millenials will decry what's popular in 2035 while
reminiscing about "the good ol' days" of Rae Sremmurd and Nicki Minaj.

I exactly know where to put this vile pile of words:

I forgot what forum I was in. I'm used to posting in the P&R section of this fine board where
a reply is rarely offered with some silly pic.

So, would you care to elaborate, you know, for the sake of a healthy conversation?

I've randomly selected the top five songs of any given year in the 70s and the 00s/10s

and I hope someone can explain why the songs in the 70s are superior to those in the
00s/10s:

(my source is the Billboard Hot 100 chart)


1971

1. "Joy to the World" - Three Dog Night
2. "Maggie May" - Rod Stewart
3. "It's too Late" - Carole King
4. "One Bad Apple" - The Osmonds
5. "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart?" - The Bee Gees



1974

1. "The Way We Were" - Barbra Streisand
2. "Seasons in the Sun" - Terry Jacks
3. "Love's Theme" - Love Unlimited Orchestra
4. "Come and get Your Love" - Redbone
5. "Dancing Machine" - The Jackson Five




1978

1. "Shadow Dancing" - Andy Gibb
2. "Night Fever" - The Bee Gees
3. "You Light Up my Life" - Debbie Boone
4. "Stayin' Alive" - The Bee Gees
5. "Kiss You All Over" - Exile




2002

1. "How You Remind Me" - Nickelback
2. "Foolish" - Ashanti
3. "Hot in Herre" - Nelly
4. "Dilemma" - Nelly/Kelly Rowland
5. "Wherever You Will Go" - The Calling




2011

1. "Rolling in the Deep" - Adele
2. "Party Rock Anthem" - LMFAO
3. "Firework" - Katy Perry
4. "ET" - Katy Perry
5. "Give me Everything" - Pitbull




2014

1. "Happy" - Pharrell Williams

2. "Dark Horse" - Katy Perry
3. "All of Me" - John Legend
4. "Fancy" - Iggy Azalea
5. "Counting Stars" - OneRepublic



Good luck, you intrepid soul(s)!

duccichucka said:

I've randomly selected the top five songs of any given year in the 70s and the 00s/10s

and I hope someone can explain why the songs in the 70s are superior to those in the
00s/10s:

(my source is the Billboard Hot 100 chart)


1971

1. "Joy to the World" - Three Dog Night
2. "Maggie May" - Rod Stewart
3. "It's too Late" - Carole King
4. "One Bad Apple" - The Osmonds
5. "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart?" - The Bee Gees



1974

1. "The Way We Were" - Barbra Streisand
2. "Seasons in the Sun" - Terry Jacks
3. "Love's Theme" - Love Unlimited Orchestra
4. "Come and get Your Love" - Redbone
5. "Dancing Machine" - The Jackson Five




1978

1. "Shadow Dancing" - Andy Gibb
2. "Night Fever" - The Bee Gees
3. "You Light Up my Life" - Debbie Boone
4. "Stayin' Alive" - The Bee Gees
5. "Kiss You All Over" - Exile




2002

1. "How You Remind Me" - Nickelback
2. "Foolish" - Ashanti
3. "Hot in Herre" - Nelly
4. "Dilemma" - Nelly/Kelly Rowland
5. "Wherever You Will Go" - The Calling




2011

1. "Rolling in the Deep" - Adele
2. "Party Rock Anthem" - LMFAO
3. "Firework" - Katy Perry
4. "ET" - Katy Perry
5. "Give me Everything" - Pitbull




2014

1. "Happy" - Pharrell Williams

2. "Dark Horse" - Katy Perry
3. "All of Me" - John Legend
4. "Fancy" - Iggy Azalea
5. "Counting Stars" - OneRepublic



Good luck, you intrepid soul(s)!

There's always been shit, we all know that. But come on! The total lack of record companies actually competing nowadays has been the main cause of the demise of good new pop music.

No competition creates stagnation. The charts have been a joke for years now with songs lasting years on the charts as no new shit takes it over LOL....

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The handful of record companies left are fine with this, but it makes the labels in general look lazy, uninspired and content which has created this situation we are in where there is a total lack of good new songs and good new artists coming through.

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The few that get signed can't be blamed as they just do what they do, but A&R is practically non-existant now.

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The possible new talent are the bedroom making musicians, but they won't get signed as there's hardly no one to sign with LOL. Plus, alot of them need that record label "polish" and "direction" that record companies use to give but simply don't anymore.

The lact of new acts, along with the awful way radio is run and segregated are 2 of the main factors as to why pop music these days just seems so horrible and "narrow" now. Very little variety compared to say the 80's.

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There's still good pop music, but compared to the past, it's noticable how few and far between genuinely good pop songs are these days.

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Example being a song like "happy". It deserved to be a big hit, but it was so big and got played for so long because nothing that good would replace it LOL. Back in the 80's, that wouldn't of happened. It would of been a hit no doubt, but it would of moved along alot quicker also.

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Today's radio being scared to play new stuff just tops off the stupidity of these mass media controlled stations and record companies. All this and more has created a general decline in pop music based mainly on the sheer number of actual new music released to top 40.

CynicKill said:

Beautifulstarr123 said:

CynicKill said:

>

It was.

He was obscured from view because of massice pyrotechnics and smoke.

And huge chunks of audio was blank because he failed to appear at a dress so ABC didn't know what he was gonna do and just said F-it!

Here is what we all missed out on. BTW kanye is pissed at the censors.

[Hook 1: Kanye West] All day, nigga,
How long you niggas ball?
All day, nigga How much time you spent at the mall?
All day, nigga How many thots do you got on call?
All day, nigga H-how long they keep you in court?
All day, nigga Take you to get this fly?
All day, nigga, Tell your P.O. how how long you been high?
All day, nigga Y'all already know I’m straight from the Chi,
All day, nigga South, south, south side!
All day, nigga

[Verse 1: Kanye West]
It's Ye, nigga Shoppin' for the winter, and it’s just May, nigga
Ball so hard, man, this shit cray, nigga
And you ain't gettin' money 'less you got eight figures
From the Jesus piece, man I've been saved, nigga
Just talked to Farrakhan, that's sensei nigga
Told him I've been on ten since 10th grade, nigga
Got a middle finger longer than Dikembe, my nigga,
uh I don't let 'em play with me I don't let 'em talk to me no kind of way
You better watch what you say to me
People still gettin' popped on the day to day
Still got the 100 with the small face, nigga
Might spend 50 racks on my off day, nigga
You a fake Denzel like the Allstate nigga
If you run into me, better have Allstate with you
You a Rico Suave nigga
Drive around listening to Sade nigga
If you ain't with us, you in our way, nigga
You an actor, you should be on Broadway nigga
Cause you do shit the broad way nigga
Your bitch got an ass but my broad way thicker
Late for the class, in the hallway, nigga
Yeah the dropout at it as always nigga

[Bridge: Allan Kingdom]
At [inaudible] in a sweet bread, and I reach into my head
Gave him what I had left At that moment I disperse (All day!)
At that moment I disperse (All day!)

[Hook 2: Kanye West]
All day nigga How long y'all playas ball?
All day nigga How much time y'all spent at the mall?
All day nigga How long it take you to get this fly?
All day nigga Tell your P.O. how how long you been high?
All day nigga Pour some Hen out for my niggas that died
And I keep a bad chick on the passenger side
Y'all already know I’m straight from the Chi, all day, nigga
South, south, south side! All day, nigga

[Verse 2: Kanye West]
I could do this all day, boy, I'm 'bout to turn this bitch out That nigga
Ye in the streets, boy, there's never really been a drought [inaudible] late, boy, you know I still go wild
I'm like a light skinned slave, boy, we in the mothafuckin' house Right now, lookin' real sus right now
I swear I've been on this flight like a month right now
Stupid niggas gettin' paid, Forrest Gump right now Sail out to [inaudible] I need to stunt right now
I've been lookin' at the Gram, I've been lookin' at the Grammys
Like, whoo, that's us right now 24/7, 365 days, everybody gettin' paid
People lookin' at me like I'm worth both MJs
Screamin, "Ye, Ye, take it easy"
20 Gs for the Yeezys on the ebay
People do the most and they ain't done shit
Only way we can sum it up, son, bitch

Sucks. Didn't he get booed?

I was done with Kanye when he started "scream-singing..."

purplethunder3121 said:

I agree with Sheila inasmuch as I also believe the craft of live performance has become sadly small-minded over the past couple decades or so.

I'm not sure, but I feel like I've recently heard Allison Goldfrapp chime in with the related observation that many artists since the early '90s have seemed to succumb to the delusion that earnest showmanship and earnest musicianship are mutually exclusive in a live setting. With a few exceptions, I think she's onto something. Those who put on a good show so often rely on pre-recorded instrumentals, samples, and lip-synching. Those who have an arguably higher integrity around live singing and instrumentation are often just boring as hell to watch. I wish they'd all take notes from the likes of James Brown, Tina Turner, Janis Joplin, Sammy Davis Jr., etc., who seemed to bring it all.

duccichucka said:

In my opinion,all of these songs are better than anything that is currently on the charts right now."Shadow Dancing" was actually the very first 45 single that I bought come to think of it,1978 is my favorite year for music.Those Bee Gees songs are excellent!!

duccichucka said:

I've randomly selected the top five songs of any given year in the 70s and the 00s/10s

and I hope someone can explain why the songs in the 70s are superior to those in the
00s/10s:

(my source is the Billboard Hot 100 chart)


1971

1. "Joy to the World" - Three Dog Night
2. "Maggie May" - Rod Stewart
3. "It's too Late" - Carole King
4. "One Bad Apple" - The Osmonds
5. "How Can You Mend A Broken Heart?" - The Bee Gees



1974

1. "The Way We Were" - Barbra Streisand
2. "Seasons in the Sun" - Terry Jacks
3. "Love's Theme" - Love Unlimited Orchestra
4. "Come and get Your Love" - Redbone
5. "Dancing Machine" - The Jackson Five




1978

1. "Shadow Dancing" - Andy Gibb
2. "Night Fever" - The Bee Gees
3. "You Light Up my Life" - Debbie Boone
4. "Stayin' Alive" - The Bee Gees
5. "Kiss You All Over" - Exile

duccichucka said:

And remember....I'm not claiming one is better or worse. I'm simply claiming that cheezy
music always charts moreso than "good music" and that "good music" is mostly relative
to the time it was released. In the 70s, you had those in one age group bemoaning
the Stevie Wonders of the world while reminiscing about Nat "King" Cole, just like you are
wistful of yesterday while the kiddies of today could care less about Stevie Wonder, who
cannot sell music like he did in the 70s.

see,that's the thing....I disagree with that opinion.I remember in the 70s,good music was dominating the charts.I know that "good music" is subjective,but come on....look at some of the most successful albums of the 70s.I'm talking about Innervisions,Songs In The Key Of Life,Rumours,Saturday Night Fever,SuperFly,Breakfast In America,and on and on.The cheesy one-hit wonder acts were around,but there was so much GREAT music on the charts,we could tolerate stuff like "Play That Funky Music",lol.Nowadays,it's all reversed.It's the horrible stuff that gets all the attention and airplay.The artistic,thoughtful music gets left behind.

and you know darn well that a classic album like Songs In The Key Of Life puts any current album on today's charts,to shame

Scorp said:

The music industry may not even exist anymore by 2025 I think it has ten years to shore this stuff up before it all collapses against uts own weight Its very sad and disconcerting the pathvmusic and entertainment has traveled. Great music made a huge difference in my life The industry knows its running on fumes

Agreed.

I just find it hard 2 believe that somehow the industry has been laid 2 rest.

I'm speechless right about now.

duccichucka said:

Graycap23 said:

Badass performer

She needs another album reminiscent of her Glamorous Life - Sheila E years

She #ICON, but the album is just not reflective of the Sheila E I jam

da '70s were the golden age of solid albums/strong as hell album tracks

sure there were some silly songs getting the number 1 spot in da '70s, but there were HUNDREDS of GREAT songs that made the top30 and THOUSANDS that were never released as singles; Elton John's Tower of Babel was never released as a single and that song ALONE shits on ANYTHING released after the first half of the 00's (in my opinion, the last "good" era of music)

judging an entire decade just because the number ones is all kind of biased/ignorant

nowadays singles are just bottom of the barrel and the albums are a CHORE to sit through; I literally CANNOT hear an ENTIRE album of ANY post '90s new artist, Adele's 21 being the exception...

[Edited 5/22/15 12:47pm]

What about djs?