Lame, lame tribute. As someone mentioned, it seemed more of an tribute to the dancers and choreography of the videos instead of Janet herself. First off, no "When I think of you" "Control" "Miss you Much" . Haha, ok, three of her best songs. And second, if you gonna do the RN routine, you better include the whole intro speech. Plus, dress yourself in a proper RN costume, not a pimped up, sloppy, version. And the mix of the song was over to fast. Didn't leave an impact on me at least.

BlackCat1985 said:

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Janet getting glammed up,before her entrance to receive The Janet Jackson Ultimate Icon Award..

Has Prince been awarded with the Ultimate Icon Award?

Wolfie87 said:

Has Prince been awarded with the Ultimate Icon Award?

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He got Lifetime Achievement, which is the larger of the two awards.

So Jacksons fans don't fret. Janet didn't beat her brothers to the award.

CynicKill said:

dancerella said:

CynicKill said:

Wolfie87 said:

Has Prince been awarded with the Ultimate Icon Award?

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He got Lifetime Achievement, which is the larger of the two awards.

So Jacksons fans don't fret. Janet didn't beat her brothers to the award.

Janet almost received the LifeTime Achievement Award. But BET decided to give it to Smokey instead. So then they created The Ultimate Icon Award @ the LAST moment to make up for it. But Janet could have easily received it being the ONLY artist that has SEVEN top 5 singles from ONE album. Even her brother couldn't accomplish that with "Thriller"...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

CynicKill said:

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He got Lifetime Achievement, which is the larger of the two awards.

So Jacksons fans don't fret. Janet didn't beat her brothers to the award.

Janet almost received the LifeTime Achievement Award. But BET decided to give it to Smokey instead. So then they created The Ultimate Icon Award @ the LAST moment to make up for it. But Janet could have easily received it being the ONLY artist that has SEVEN top 5 singles from ONE album. Even her brother couldn't accomplish that with "Thriller"...

...Or that guy who abandoned his crown jewel only 9 month later after the initial project in 1984. "I don't care 2 win awards
All I wanna do is dance
Play music sex romance
And try my best 2 never get bored"

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Wolfie87 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Janet almost received the LifeTime Achievement Award. But BET decided to give it to Smokey instead. So then they created The Ultimate Icon Award @ the LAST moment to make up for it. But Janet could have easily received it being the ONLY artist that has SEVEN top 5 singles from ONE album. Even her brother couldn't accomplish that with "Thriller"...

...Or that guy who abandoned his crown jewel only 9 month later after the initial project in 1984. "I don't care 2 win awards
All I wanna do is dance
Play music sex romance
And try my best 2 never get bored"

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is an artist artist. He doesn't care about awards, having the top selling album in the world, or a thousand singles per album. Purple Rain could have easily outsold "Thriller" if he wanted it to. Being so prolific has been a blessing and a curse to him. Now over 35 years later he is still releasing new albums one expected anyday now. Mj or even D'angelo can't even do that.

BlackCat1985 said:

dancerella said:

I've been saying Janet is a much more technical dancer than Ciara from day one. As a dancer myself, i know the difference. Ciara just bumps and grinds while Janet is a true Jazz dancer. I wonder if learning that style was difficult for Ciara? I think she did a good job. I would have liked to see Usher instead of Jason Derulo.

I've also been saying that to folks for years about Ciara. Janet's timing and precise delivery is what made her choreography look so good. She made it look easy. When in reality its not. And that's what was demonstrated last night. Ciara is a good dancer, but Janet is a much better one, especially Janet in her prime years.

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While I agree Ciara's style of dancing did a disservice to Janet's, Ciara is much more than a good dancer. I'll go so far as to say she can do things that Janet can't.

If I recall one of the criticisms of Janet's dancing back in the day was that it was too precise and not organic enough. But as the tribute so sadly showcased precision is key to Janet's style. It just don't look right any other way. And Janet always stood out in her videos. She did it best.

But Ciara? I mean just look at this:

Wolfie87 said:

Has Prince been awarded with the Ultimate Icon Award?

how could he when this was the very first one?

CynicKill said:

BlackCat1985 said:

dancerella said: I've also been saying that to folks for years about Ciara. Janet's timing and precise delivery is what made her choreography look so good. She made it look easy. When in reality its not. And that's what was demonstrated last night. Ciara is a good dancer, but Janet is a much better one, especially Janet in her prime years.

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While I agree Ciara's style of dancing did a disservice to Janet's, Ciara is much more than a good dancer. I'll go so far as to say she can do things that Janet can't.

If I recall one of the criticisms of Janet's dancing back in the day was that it was too precise and not organic enough. But as the tribute so sadly showcased precision is key to Janet's style. It just don't look right any other way. And Janet always stood out in her videos. She did it best.

But Ciara? I mean just look at this:

this is one of the criticisms i never understood when it comes to janet's dancing. so somebody who can master intricate choreography with perfect percision somehow dont measure up to somebody who just does regular street dancing? dancing is an art form, ciara would get thrown out of a real dance class,she was sloppy during the tribute and off the mark with timing.i wish one day janet would let us see her at the club dancing so people can stop with this.

lowkey said:

This year's BET Awards was Outstanding and gave me Life....Kendrick brought the truth to the Stage and OWNED it, I wasn't a Fan before that opening number. Alicia & The Weekend's DUET felt like I was watching GREATNESS. The Weekend's voice & stage presence will hyptnotize you. There's Greatness in that Bruh and I am now a Fan....The BAD BOY Segment was too Good for words and they showed OUT. Lil'Kim really looked Beautiful and not "unreal"...Janet Jackson casts a Spell everytime she Blesses us with her presence, we Fall in-Love with her all over again, that Sista is Magical. Smokey Robinson's words were heartfelt and ALL Truth..Smokey is a KING...Patti should have sang "You are my friend" to honor Gay Rights. This year's ceremony is worth watching again...The BET Producers and Entertainment Director(s) meant bizness this year and I give the show a SOLID 10....Well done Black Folks...Waaaay better than That thang called The GRAMMYS...

The Legends Panel.....

CynicKill said:

Ironic that some of the best performances were from white artists.

Tori Kelly just gained a whole new R&B fanbase.

And Robin Thicke? He's not successful for nothing.

I loved them both! Tori is black though.

Graycap23 said:

Lol John Legend's voice reminds me of this:

Graycap23 said:

After what John Legend did to Ledisi I just don't take anything he says seriously He sounds very full of himself. I hope he was listening to Smokey's speech. He has no room to talk.

Graycap23 said:

He's probably right,but he has some nerve His own singing puts me to sleep.He has a whiny,boring tone.

John is a COOL dude! Leave him alone.....

mjscarousal said:

I'd like to give my 2cents on Ciara and Janet's dancing abilities as well. Janet is the better technical dancer in terms of "executing technical choreography" thats her niche. However, I don't think it is appropiate to call Janet a trained dancer. Janet is not trained in Jazz, Tap, or professional dancing. She did not go to a professional dancing school like someone like Paula Abdul . So "technically" Janet is not trained but she executes choreography so well to the point that she looks like she is a trained professional.

Janet is what I would call a "natural" dancer. She has never really had any formal training on how to dance but she had choreographers through out the years give her different pieces of dance technique which helped her develop as a dancer. Ciara is the same. She hasn't had any real training but she is a natural dancer. Although the "choreography" she executes is not as technical as Janet's, I think it is fair to call her a good dancer because with formal training she could be just as good. She does a lot of street dancing, urban hip hop, etc. With that being said, while Janet has the upper hand on the technical end, there are some things that Ciara has an edge on over Janet. While Janet is a great dancer, I have always wondered would she be able to free style on her own without someone teaching her choreography. To me, that is what makes a natural dancer (no I am not saying Janet is not) but I do think if you are a dancer you should be able to at least know how to free style some steps off of the top of your head. After all, this is what the real professional trained dancers do all the time. Janet seems to rely heavily on her choreographers for her dance steps. Ciara on the otherhand makes up a lot of her own choreography, free styles and imo is a little bit more fluid in her dancing.

There are some things both dancers could learn from one another. IMO, Ciara is more influenced by MJ when it comes to dancing. She imitates a lot of his moves. She even did a couple of MJ moves during the Janet tribute and she tries to imitate that same fluid style of movement which was more of Michael's niche than "technical"

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dancerella said:

lowkey said:

this is one of the criticisms i never understood when it comes to janet's dancing. so somebody who can master intricate choreography with perfect percision somehow dont measure up to somebody who just does regular street dancing? dancing is an art form, ciara would get thrown out of a real dance class,she was sloppy during the tribute and off the mark with timing.i wish one day janet would let us see her at the club dancing so people can stop with this.

Ciara is good at what she does but Janet is just plain feirce. Street dancing versus Technical training? IMO technique wins. It requires more skill and discipline.

Just so you know, there are some complicated technical street dance moves too but I do agree technical "dancing" requires a lot more practice and discipline because if one of the dancers are off, then the whole choreography looks a hot mess.

mjscarousal said:

I'd like to give my 2cents on Ciara and Janet's dancing abilities as well. Janet is the better technical dancer in terms of "executing technical choreography" thats her niche. However, I don't think it is appropiate to call Janet a trained dancer. Janet is not trained in Jazz, Tap, or professional dancing. She did not go to a professional dancing school like someone like Paula Abdul . So "technically" Janet is not trained but she executes choreography so well to the point that she looks like she is a trained professional.

Janet is what I would call a "natural" dancer. She has never really had any formal training on how to dance but she had choreographers through out the years give her different pieces of dance technique which helped her develop as a dancer. Ciara is the same. She hasn't had any real training but she is a natural dancer. Although the "choreography" she executes is not as technical as Janet's, I think it is fair to call her a good dancer because with formal training she could be just as good. She does a lot of street dancing, urban hip hop, etc. With that being said, while Janet has the upper hand on the technical end, there are some things that Ciara has an edge on over Janet. While Janet is a great dancer, I have always wondered would she be able to free style on her own without someone teaching her choreography. To me, that is what makes a natural dancer (no I am not saying Janet is not) but I do think if you are a dancer you should be able to at least know how to free style some steps off of the top of your head. After all, this is what the real professional trained dancers do all the time. Janet seems to rely heavily on her choreographers for her dance steps. Ciara on the otherhand makes up a lot of her own choreography, free styles and imo is a little bit more fluid in her dancing.

There are some things both dancers could learn from one another. IMO, Ciara is more influenced by MJ when it comes to dancing. She imitates a lot of his moves. She even did a couple of MJ moves during the Janet tribute and she tries to imitate that same fluid style of movement which was more of Michael's niche than "technical"

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you think ciara is fluid? i think she's very robotic, she looks very masculine when dancing thats why she is more michael than janet. ciara also has her choreographer who has been with her for years.they all use choreographers, even beyonce uses them and she basically gyrates and booty pops most of the time. its because janet's choreography is so technical why people assume she cant just regular dance.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

I'd like to give my 2cents on Ciara and Janet's dancing abilities as well. Janet is the better technical dancer in terms of "executing technical choreography" thats her niche. However, I don't think it is appropiate to call Janet a trained dancer. Janet is not trained in Jazz, Tap, or professional dancing. She did not go to a professional dancing school like someone like Paula Abdul . So "technically" Janet is not trained but she executes choreography so well to the point that she looks like she is a trained professional.

Janet is what I would call a "natural" dancer. She has never really had any formal training on how to dance but she had choreographers through out the years give her different pieces of dance technique which helped her develop as a dancer. Ciara is the same. She hasn't had any real training but she is a natural dancer. Although the "choreography" she executes is not as technical as Janet's, I think it is fair to call her a good dancer because with formal training she could be just as good. She does a lot of street dancing, urban hip hop, etc. With that being said, while Janet has the upper hand on the technical end, there are some things that Ciara has an edge on over Janet. While Janet is a great dancer, I have always wondered would she be able to free style on her own without someone teaching her choreography. To me, that is what makes a natural dancer (no I am not saying Janet is not) but I do think if you are a dancer you should be able to at least know how to free style some steps off of the top of your head. After all, this is what the real professional trained dancers do all the time. Janet seems to rely heavily on her choreographers for her dance steps. Ciara on the otherhand makes up a lot of her own choreography, free styles and imo is a little bit more fluid in her dancing.

There are some things both dancers could learn from one another. IMO, Ciara is more influenced by MJ when it comes to dancing. She imitates a lot of his moves. She even did a couple of MJ moves during the Janet tribute and she tries to imitate that same fluid style of movement which was more of Michael's niche than "technical"

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you think ciara is fluid? i think she's very robotic, she looks very masculine when dancing thats why she is more michael than janet. ciara also has her choreographer who has been with her for years.they all use choreographers, even beyonce uses them and she basically gyrates and booty pops most of the time. its because janet's choreography is so technical why people assume she cant just regular dance.

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I think Janet invented masculine dancing in women. To me her style was always "tomboy" dancing. Very hard and sharp. She rarely looks feminine when she dances.

Ciara on the other hand is a freestyle street dancer. Isn't that the definition of fluid. That matrix move she does takes a lot of flexibility and fluidity just to pull off on its own.

lowkey said:

mjscarousal said:

I'd like to give my 2cents on Ciara and Janet's dancing abilities as well. Janet is the better technical dancer in terms of "executing technical choreography" thats her niche. However, I don't think it is appropiate to call Janet a trained dancer. Janet is not trained in Jazz, Tap, or professional dancing. She did not go to a professional dancing school like someone like Paula Abdul . So "technically" Janet is not trained but she executes choreography so well to the point that she looks like she is a trained professional.

Janet is what I would call a "natural" dancer. She has never really had any formal training on how to dance but she had choreographers through out the years give her different pieces of dance technique which helped her develop as a dancer. Ciara is the same. She hasn't had any real training but she is a natural dancer. Although the "choreography" she executes is not as technical as Janet's, I think it is fair to call her a good dancer because with formal training she could be just as good. She does a lot of street dancing, urban hip hop, etc. With that being said, while Janet has the upper hand on the technical end, there are some things that Ciara has an edge on over Janet. While Janet is a great dancer, I have always wondered would she be able to free style on her own without someone teaching her choreography. To me, that is what makes a natural dancer (no I am not saying Janet is not) but I do think if you are a dancer you should be able to at least know how to free style some steps off of the top of your head. After all, this is what the real professional trained dancers do all the time. Janet seems to rely heavily on her choreographers for her dance steps. Ciara on the otherhand makes up a lot of her own choreography, free styles and imo is a little bit more fluid in her dancing.

There are some things both dancers could learn from one another. IMO, Ciara is more influenced by MJ when it comes to dancing. She imitates a lot of his moves. She even did a couple of MJ moves during the Janet tribute and she tries to imitate that same fluid style of movement which was more of Michael's niche than "technical"

[Edited 7/1/15 11:04am]

you think ciara is fluid? i think she's very robotic, she looks very masculine when dancing thats why she is more michael than janet. ciara also has her choreographer who has been with her for years.they all use choreographers, even beyonce uses them and she basically gyrates and booty pops most of the time. its because janet's choreography is so technical why people assume she cant just regular dance.

Although Janet has done fluid style dancing, most of her choreography consist of technical choreography and looks masculine imo (and I don't say this in a bad way because I love her style of dancing and technical dancing is not easy to master).

While Ciara was very sloppy and off during the BET performance, I have to disagree that she looks masculine when she dances. She does lot of street choreography that requires a lot of flexibility and fluid dancing skills.

There are different types of dancing styles and genres within the dance world. Technical dancing is not the only style. While Janet is versatile, there are some dancing styles she has not done. Some of the dance moves Ciara does, I have never seen Janet do (not to say she can't do them) but I just have never seen her do it.

Nobody is bashing your boo lowkey. If you were to ask me who is the better dancer between the two, I would say Janet in a heartbeat I just don't think Janet has done as much free styling and fluid free lance spontaneous dancing like Ciara does.

CynicKill said:

lowkey said:

you think ciara is fluid? i think she's very robotic, she looks very masculine when dancing thats why she is more michael than janet. ciara also has her choreographer who has been with her for years.they all use choreographers, even beyonce uses them and she basically gyrates and booty pops most of the time. its because janet's choreography is so technical why people assume she cant just regular dance.

>

I think Janet invented masculine dancing in women. To me her style was always "tomboy" dancing. Very hard and sharp. She rarely looks feminine when she dances.

Ciara on the other hand is a freestyle street dancer. Isn't that the definition of fluid. That matrix move she does takes a lot of flexibility and fluidity just to pull off on its own.

Good point. That matrix move damn sure ain't as easy as it looks!

I think Janet is the better technical dancer but in terms of free style I think Ciara has the edge.