Gunsnhalen said:

Let me just say i am one of the orgers here who HATES when the word genius gets thrown around here... but got damn after completing Peter's discography i have to say he is a musical genius!!!!

A genius?...No.
A hightly creative individual?...Yes.

After hearing this album when it was originally released, I knew this band was onto something.



Turns out that was it for his tenure with Genesis.
But the solo records that followed showed how much he influenced the band's concept.

Give Peter Gabriel credit for having a unique creative vision and never really dumbing it down for mass mainstream acceptance.


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theAudience said:

Give Peter Gabriel credit for having a unique creative vision and never really dumbing it down for mass mainstream acceptance.

One of the things I love about the guy.

theAudience said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Let me just say i am one of the orgers here who HATES when the word genius gets thrown around here... but got damn after completing Peter's discography i have to say he is a musical genius!!!!

A genius?...No.
A hightly creative individual?...Yes.

After hearing this album when it was originally released, I knew this band was onto something.



Turns out that was it for his tenure with Genesis.
But the solo records that followed showed how much he influenced the band's concept.

Give Peter Gabriel credit for having a unique creative vision and never really dumbing it down for mass mainstream acceptance.


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Don't you think he dumbed it down a bit with So? Then he came back to his idiosyncratic and experimental music with Us, but, to my ears, So is a small concession to the mainstream. Not that I dislike the album, but it lacks the edge of his previous and even of his later work.

Javi said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Javi said:

Don't you think he dumbed it down a bit with So? Then he came back to his idiosyncratic and experimental music with Us, but, to my ears, So is a small concession to the mainstream. Not that I dislike the album, but it lacks the edge of his previous and even of his later work.

I remember him saying on the making of So docemtary her filmed how he tried to write a more pop song structure. But still the singles have some great sounds to them! Sledgehammer is funky and full of life, big time has an amazing bass line!, don't give up is pretty minimalistic and lets the 2 stars shine. And Red Rain has that cool dimming by Stewart Copelnd that sounds like raindrops. In your eyes is just ok though... Never got into it much.

Don't get me wrong, I like So a lot. But I think it is a step towards the mainstream. Maybe like Bowie's Let's Dance, in a way: a great album, but also a more commercial and less edgy one.

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Javi said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Javi said: I remember him saying on the making of So docemtary her filmed how he tried to write a more pop song structure. But still the singles have some great sounds to them! Sledgehammer is funky and full of life, big time has an amazing bass line!, don't give up is pretty minimalistic and lets the 2 stars shine. And Red Rain has that cool dimming by Stewart Copelnd that sounds like raindrops. In your eyes is just ok though... Never got into it much.

Don't get me wrong, I like So a lot. But I think it is a step towards the mainstream. Maybe like Bowie's Let's Dance, in a way: a great album, but also a more commercial and less edgy one.

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I can agree on that and i think the Let's Dance comparison is perfect.

I ma really starting to get into US there is something about it... can't quite put my finger on it. But something about it has this 90's nostalgia feel with all the early 90's alternative rock, r&b, house etc. Wrapped into a Peter Gabriel style... i really like it.

Tracklist of ...And I'll Scratch Yours:

I can't wait to hear Brian Eno's cover of "Mother Of Violence" and Lou Reed's of "Solsbury Hill".

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Javi said:

Give Peter Gabriel credit for having a unique creative vision and never really dumbing it down for mass mainstream acceptance.

Don't you think he dumbed it down a bit with So? Then he came back to his idiosyncratic and experimental music with Us, but, to my ears, So is a small concession to the mainstream. Not that I dislike the album, but it lacks the edge of his previous and even of his later work.

Are you saying that simply because Sledgehammer was such a big hit? The album really didn't contain song after song in that vein.
On top of that, subsequent albums (not counting Passion which was a movie soundtrack) were not carbon copies of So.

If anything, Sledgehammer raised the bar on video production and introduced many MTV viewers to the art of stop-motion animation.

I don't want to assume what his motivation for the album was, so i'll accept what he said in a Rolling Stone interview last year...

When you made So, did you try and make it more accessible, or that was just sort of a natural development?
I think that was a bunch of songs that were there at the time. With "Sledgehammer," everyone thinks, "Oh, he must have created that to get a hit." And it wasn't done that way. In fact, [bassist] Tony Levin reminded me that he was packing his bags to go home, and I called him back into the studio, saying "I've got this one idea that maybe we can fool around with for the next record – but I like the feel." That was "Sledgehammer." It was late in the day and we just fell into the groove, landed a beautiful drum track on it, a great bass line and it all came together.

I think the video really helped get it to a different audience. I've not had many intersections with mass culture, so that was one occasion where that happened.

...http://www.rollingstone.c...o-20120904


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^^It's interesting that Sledgehammer replaced Invisible Touch as #1 in Billboard

theAudience said:

Javi said:

Don't you think he dumbed it down a bit with So? Then he came back to his idiosyncratic and experimental music with Us, but, to my ears, So is a small concession to the mainstream. Not that I dislike the album, but it lacks the edge of his previous and even of his later work.

Are you saying that simply because Sledgehammer was such a big hit? The album really didn't contain song after song in that vein.
On top of that, subsequent albums (not counting Passion which was a movie soundtrack) were not carbon copies of So.

If anything, Sledgehammer raised the bar on video production and introduced many MTV viewers to the art of stop-motion animation.

I don't want to assume what his motivation for the album was, so i'll accept what he said in a Rolling Stone interview last year...

When you made So, did you try and make it more accessible, or that was just sort of a natural development?
I think that was a bunch of songs that were there at the time. With "Sledgehammer," everyone thinks, "Oh, he must have created that to get a hit." And it wasn't done that way. In fact, [bassist] Tony Levin reminded me that he was packing his bags to go home, and I called him back into the studio, saying "I've got this one idea that maybe we can fool around with for the next record – but I like the feel." That was "Sledgehammer." It was late in the day and we just fell into the groove, landed a beautiful drum track on it, a great bass line and it all came together.

I think the video really helped get it to a different audience. I've not had many intersections with mass culture, so that was one occasion where that happened.

...http://www.rollingstone.c...o-20120904


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[Edited 8/21/13 18:27pm]

I can't help but noticing a different kind of feel on So. Maybe not the same edginess, the same willingness to explore new musical ground as on the previous albums. But the record is also brilliant, and it's true that on the subsequent albums he followed a different path: when I heard "Digging In The Dirt" I heard my favourite Gabriel again. Anyway, although we may discuss the case of So, I agree in general with your opinion about Gabriel following his creative vision regardless of the mainstream trends.

you guys are making me feel like i'm missing some good ish. like i stated in the recent thread about his voice, it/he have always just been "mediocre" to me, not particularly emotive, soulful, unique or just good range, which is huge for me (so my favorite Genesis stuff has Phil on lead), but I may just dig for Melt at a used CD store and see if it compels me to dig deeper. he seems quite the cerebral guy, which i typically like, so i'm willing to give him a one album a shot (the singles from So were too poppish IMO but Big Time wasn't as annoying as Sledgehammer and I did like Shock the Monkey in the early MTV days). So if Melt doesn't do it, I guess i'll continue to be in the "dark"...

datdude said:

you guys are making me feel like i'm missing some good ish. like i stated in the recent thread about his voice, it/he have always just been "mediocre" to me, not particularly emotive, soulful, unique or just good range, which is huge for me (so my favorite Genesis stuff has Phil on lead), but I may just dig for Melt at a used CD store and see if it compels me to dig deeper. he seems quite the cerebral guy, which i typically like, so i'm willing to give him a one album a shot (the singles from So were too poppish IMO but Big Time wasn't as annoying as Sledgehammer and I did like Shock the Monkey in the early MTV days). So if Melt doesn't do it, I guess i'll continue to be in the "dark"...

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Phish Invite Peter Gabriel to Perform ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ Onstage

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Peter Gabriel performing the complete classic Genesis album ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ onstage? It could happen, and with Phish as Gabriel’s backing band.

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In fact, it’s been a topic of discussion before. In 2011, Gabriel told Rolling Stone that the jam band had approached him about backing him for a complete ‘Lamb’ show but that the talks “didn’t go anywhere.” Nevertheless, it seems Phish frontman Trey Anastasio hasn’t given up on the dream.

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“I’m such a big fan of Peter Gabriel, I can’t even begin to tell you,” Anastasio recently told Rolling Stone. “I’ve been one my whole lifetime, so just hearing his voice on the phone was kind of exciting. If he wanted to [perform 'The Lamb'] with us, I would do it.”

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Like a lot of young music fans in the ’70s, the guys in Phish forged a strong bond with the album in their youth. As Anastasio put it, “That album had a huge effect on me, and [Phish drummer] Jon Fishman as well. I spent most of my high school years in a dark closet with headphones on listening to ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.’”

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The prospect of Gabriel performing 1974′s ‘Lamb’ has tantalized fans for years. In 2005, he had a few discussions with his former Genesis bandmates about taking the album on tour, but as Rolling Stone put it, “he bailed when it seemed like too big a commitment.”

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With Phish set to take the stage for its annual performance of a complete classic album on Oct. 31, the time might finally be right. “I can play that album in my sleep, but we’ll only do it if [Gabriel] does it with us,” Anastasio vowed. “Peter Gabriel, if you want to do ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ with us this Halloween, we’re your band.”

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MickyDolenz said:

Phish Invite Peter Gabriel to Perform ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ Onstage

by Jeff Giles - August 22, 2013 10:23 AM

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Peter Gabriel performing the complete classic Genesis album ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ onstage? It could happen, and with Phish as Gabriel’s backing band.

.

In fact, it’s been a topic of discussion before. In 2011, Gabriel told Rolling Stone that the jam band had approached him about backing him for a complete ‘Lamb’ show but that the talks “didn’t go anywhere.” Nevertheless, it seems Phish frontman Trey Anastasio hasn’t given up on the dream.

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“I’m such a big fan of Peter Gabriel, I can’t even begin to tell you,” Anastasio recently told Rolling Stone. “I’ve been one my whole lifetime, so just hearing his voice on the phone was kind of exciting. If he wanted to [perform 'The Lamb'] with us, I would do it.”

.

Like a lot of young music fans in the ’70s, the guys in Phish forged a strong bond with the album in their youth. As Anastasio put it, “That album had a huge effect on me, and [Phish drummer] Jon Fishman as well. I spent most of my high school years in a dark closet with headphones on listening to ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.’”

.

The prospect of Gabriel performing 1974′s ‘Lamb’ has tantalized fans for years. In 2005, he had a few discussions with his former Genesis bandmates about taking the album on tour, but as Rolling Stone put it, “he bailed when it seemed like too big a commitment.”

.

With Phish set to take the stage for its annual performance of a complete classic album on Oct. 31, the time might finally be right. “I can play that album in my sleep, but we’ll only do it if [Gabriel] does it with us,” Anastasio vowed. “Peter Gabriel, if you want to do ‘The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway’ with us this Halloween, we’re your band.”

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Hey, this would be great!

Perfection and praise, all in one, especially when you know when it's featured in the movie.