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Thread started 07/04/12 8:35pm

dm3857

Favorite Jazz albums

hi guys, im really getting into jazz lately listening to some classsic miles davis and john coltrane..

what are some of your guys favorite jazz albums.

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Reply #1 posted 07/04/12 8:53pm

CynicKill

dm3857 said:

hi guys, im really getting into jazz lately listening to some classsic miles davis and john coltrane..

what are some of your guys favorite jazz albums.

We kinda already got a thread going here.

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Reply #2 posted 07/04/12 9:54pm

dm3857

CynicKill said:

dm3857 said:

hi guys, im really getting into jazz lately listening to some classsic miles davis and john coltrane..

what are some of your guys favorite jazz albums.

We kinda already got a thread going here.

oh, im sorry. lol, could you send a link please.

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Reply #3 posted 07/04/12 10:18pm

motownlover

Ben webster meets oscar peterson is one of my fav non john coltrane / miles albums

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Reply #4 posted 07/04/12 10:27pm

CynicKill

dm3857 said:

CynicKill said:

We kinda already got a thread going here.

oh, im sorry. lol, could you send a link please.

http://prince.org/msg/8/383747

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Reply #5 posted 07/05/12 3:31am

duccichucka

There's a different request in that other jazz thread, Cynic.

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[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/78/Sketches_of_Spain_-_Miles_Davis.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Point_of_Departure.jpg[/img:$uid]

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Reply #6 posted 07/05/12 5:32am

novabrkr

Playing "Point Of Departure" always clears the room pretty effectively at work. wink

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Reply #7 posted 07/05/12 8:15am

duccichucka

novabrkr said:

Playing "Point Of Departure" always clears the room pretty effectively at work. wink

He can definitely be an acquired taste for some; he's more of a cerebral

player/composer than like a Red Garland or Ahmad Jamal...or even

Bill Evans in some cases.

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Reply #8 posted 07/05/12 9:05am

novabrkr

I think it's really Dolphy's playing that is too much for some on that record.

I love Dolphy though.

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Reply #9 posted 07/05/12 5:07pm

Harlepolis

novabrkr said:

I think it's really Dolphy's playing that is too much for some on that record.

I love Dolphy though.

Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview lol

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Reply #10 posted 07/05/12 5:35pm

Lammastide

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We need namepeace and tA up in here.

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μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
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Reply #11 posted 07/06/12 12:15am

novabrkr

Harlepolis said:

novabrkr said:

I think it's really Dolphy's playing that is too much for some on that record.

I love Dolphy though.

Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview lol

I think his late-60s / early-70s output was far more influenced by Dolphy than he would ever admit. He basically took the musicians that had already worked with Dolphy under his own wings as well.

I tried to do a list of favourites but it just kept growing lol

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Reply #12 posted 07/06/12 2:49am

duccichucka

Harlepolis said:

novabrkr said:

I think it's really Dolphy's playing that is too much for some on that record.

I love Dolphy though.

Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview lol

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

And I think that's why he may have disliked Dolphy; 'though I never

heard/read about his disdain for him.

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Reply #13 posted 07/06/12 2:54am

duccichucka

A thought just came to me...

How do you guys (who are willing to join in this discussion)

like Dolphy as a leader? I think I prefer him as a sideman.

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Reply #14 posted 07/06/12 11:54am

theAudience

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Some albums from a favorite artist.

1949...

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1955...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02971994ka.jpg[/img:$uid]

1956...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02926380xa.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02925d9bc4.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f647/f64707bwfuu.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c559/c55997l1491.jpg[/img:$uid]

These 4 recordings of his 1st great quintet were done in TWO sessions to satisfy his contract with Prestige before moving on to Columbia.


1957...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c978/c978712vqx9.jpg[/img:$uid]


1958...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c028/c02888k3w16.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f549/f54994vbbno.jpg[/img:$uid]


1959...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c903/c90369l6uc6.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c076/c07673j9250.jpg[/img:$uid]


1969-70...
[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g424/g42412e9yd5.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d626/d626280oeeo.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg600/g615/g61524psg7m.jpg[/img:$uid]


The rest of the 70s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd000/d028/d028985qal6.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e220/e2201554ziy.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e219/e21943ccfkw.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f604/f60499a339a.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f747/f74717co2nz.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c477/c47786wa19p.jpg[/img:$uid]

The 80s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c555/c555133n35b.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre600/e687/e687827w6qi.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre600/e688/e68857pbej0.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f541/f54136abwgi.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e259/e25901pge9t.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d660/d66047554hp.jpg[/img:$uid]


The 90s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c474/c474790fp9i.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c524/c52469o1g67.jpg[/img:$uid]


Examples from a 6 decade contribution to the art form of music.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

peace Tribal Records

"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all."
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Reply #15 posted 07/06/12 12:20pm

Harlepolis

duccichucka said:

Harlepolis said:

Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview lol

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

And I think that's why he may have disliked Dolphy; 'though I never

heard/read about his disdain for him.

http://www.forghieri.net/...vis_3.html

He spared no one in that test though.

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Reply #16 posted 07/06/12 1:59pm

Ottensen

It's easiest for me to start with the albums of female musicians and "girl singers" I love most...

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Reply #17 posted 07/06/12 8:05pm

Lammastide

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theAudience said:

Some albums from a favorite artist.

1949...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd000/d099/d099180112q.jpg[/img:$uid]

1955...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02971994ka.jpg[/img:$uid]

1956...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02926380xa.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c029/c02925d9bc4.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f647/f64707bwfuu.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c559/c55997l1491.jpg[/img:$uid]

These 4 recordings of his 1st great quintet were done in TWO sessions to satisfy his contract with Prestige before moving on to Columbia.


1957...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c978/c978712vqx9.jpg[/img:$uid]


1958...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c028/c02888k3w16.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f549/f54994vbbno.jpg[/img:$uid]


1959...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c903/c90369l6uc6.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc000/c076/c07673j9250.jpg[/img:$uid]


1969-70...
[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg400/g424/g42412e9yd5.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d626/d626280oeeo.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drg600/g615/g61524psg7m.jpg[/img:$uid]


The rest of the 70s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd000/d028/d028985qal6.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e220/e2201554ziy.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e219/e21943ccfkw.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf600/f604/f60499a339a.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf700/f747/f74717co2nz.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c477/c47786wa19p.jpg[/img:$uid]

The 80s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c555/c555133n35b.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre600/e687/e687827w6qi.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre600/e688/e68857pbej0.jpg[/img:$uid]

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drf500/f541/f54136abwgi.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/dre200/e259/e25901pge9t.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd600/d660/d66047554hp.jpg[/img:$uid]


The 90s...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc400/c474/c474790fp9i.jpg[/img:$uid][img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc500/c524/c52469o1g67.jpg[/img:$uid]


Examples from a 6 decade contribution to the art form of music.

Music for adventurous listeners


tA

peace Tribal Records

I'm slightly impressed with myself. I've got all of these except "We Want Miles" and "Live at Montreaux." cool

Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #18 posted 07/06/12 10:05pm

novabrkr

duccichucka said:

Harlepolis said:

Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview lol

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

lol

Dolphy and Coltrane really did try to fit a lot of stuff into their solos. I can understand the criticism.

I love that performance though.

Miles might have played fewer notes, but I don't think he and his band mates were strangers to dissonance or completely disregarding the harmonic foundation at times. When he started using the wah wah pedal himself he certainly wasn't playing "nice" anymore. I think that, in general, the trumpet just isn't suited to as chromatic approach as the saxophone is.

Miles had very negative feelings about "free" initially, but he just started incorporating more and more elements from it - even from Ornette Coleman - as the years passed by. His younger band mates at the time must have had something to do with that. I find some of the stuff released by his 60s quintet - especially "Nefertiti" - to sound a lot like Dolphy's stuff.

I love Dolphy myself and he's one of my all-time faves. He just didn't do that many albums as a band leader during his lifetime (I think six?). "Out To Lunch" is usually regarded as the masterpiece, but I like the live "At the Five Spot" records the most myself.

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Reply #19 posted 07/07/12 12:32am

kenkamken

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I would have to say just about anything with Betty Carter

"So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..."
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Reply #20 posted 07/07/12 5:31am

paligap

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duccichucka said:

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

...

biggrin This reminded me of the discussion between Coltrane and Miles in the late 50's after Trane rejoined Miles' group. Coltrane confessed that he had so many ideas, and that he couldn't stop playing...Miles looked at him a moment, and then replied , "Try taking the damn horn out of your mouth...."

...

[Edited 7/7/12 5:32am]

" I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout
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Reply #21 posted 07/07/12 10:18am

Harlepolis

paligap said:

duccichucka said:

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

...

biggrin This reminded me of the discussion between Coltrane and Miles in the late 50's after Trane rejoined Miles' group. Coltrane confessed that he had so many ideas, and that he couldn't stop playing...Miles looked at him a moment, and then replied , "Try taking the damn horn out of your mouth...."

...

[Edited 7/7/12 5:32am]

Is the discussion documented online somewhere?

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Reply #22 posted 07/07/12 11:06am

NDRU

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theAudience said:

Some albums from a favorite artist.




1957...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drc900/c978/c978712vqx9.jpg[/img:$uid]



Seems like Sketches of Spain gets more love for its unique sound, but I think this is my favorite of the Gil Evans albums.

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Reply #23 posted 07/07/12 11:10am

NDRU

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paligap said:

duccichucka said:

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

...

biggrin This reminded me of the discussion between Coltrane and Miles in the late 50's after Trane rejoined Miles' group. Coltrane confessed that he had so many ideas, and that he couldn't stop playing...Miles looked at him a moment, and then replied , "Try taking the damn horn out of your mouth...."

lol yes, I heard that one. What a perfect answer!

Just goes to show you, you might think having John Coltrane in your band is a dream come true, but it must have come with its own set of problems.

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Reply #24 posted 07/07/12 7:40pm

HuMpThAnG

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theAudience said:

Some albums from a favorite artist.

1949...

[img:$uid]http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drd000/d099/d099180112q.jpg[/img:$uid]

ahhh yess music

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Reply #25 posted 07/08/12 12:24am

paligap

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Harlepolis said:

paligap said:

...

biggrin This reminded me of the discussion between Coltrane and Miles in the late 50's after Trane rejoined Miles' group. Coltrane confessed that he had so many ideas, and that he couldn't stop playing...Miles looked at him a moment, and then replied , "Try taking the damn horn out of your mouth...."

...

[Edited 7/7/12 5:32am]

Is the discussion documented online somewhere?

Not sure if the whole discussion is, although I've seen the quote often online. I know Miles himself mentioned the exchange in one of his 1980's TV interviews, though I can't remember which one...

....

" I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout
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Reply #26 posted 07/08/12 12:49pm

duccichucka

Harlepolis said:

duccichucka said:

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

And I think that's why he may have disliked Dolphy; 'though I never

heard/read about his disdain for him.

http://www.forghieri.net/...vis_3.html

He spared no one in that test though.

Miles being Miles.

Not shocked by what he said but thanks fer posting that link.

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Reply #27 posted 07/08/12 1:03pm

duccichucka

novabrkr said:

duccichucka said:

Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought

his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling"

as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note

in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.

lol

Dolphy and Coltrane really did try to fit a lot of stuff into their solos. I can understand the criticism.

I love that performance though.

Miles might have played fewer notes, but I don't think he and his band mates were strangers to dissonance or completely disregarding the harmonic foundation at times. When he started using the wah wah pedal himself he certainly wasn't playing "nice" anymore. I think that, in general, the trumpet just isn't suited to as chromatic approach as the saxophone is.

Miles had very negative feelings about "free" initially, but he just started incorporating more and more elements from it - even from Ornette Coleman - as the years passed by. His younger band mates at the time must have had something to do with that. I find some of the stuff released by his 60s quintet - especially "Nefertiti" - to sound a lot like Dolphy's stuff.

I love Dolphy myself and he's one of my all-time faves. He just didn't do that many albums as a band leader during his lifetime (I think six?). "Out To Lunch" is usually regarded as the masterpiece, but I like the live "At the Five Spot" records the most myself.

I never thought about the trumpet's chromatic capabilities as being less suited

than a sax-o-ma-phone's. Nice insight. And that may be why Dolphy's sound can

be grating?....a trumpet's inherent tonal qualities don't make chromaticisms "sound"

good?

Anyways, I didn't really enjoy this performance; and I think it was because of the

mix. I want to hear the base's anchoring and the drums were too loud for my

taste. But yeah, Coltrane threw every Slonimsky jewel he had into his playing.

Sometimes I dig it, sometimes I don't. I've been listening to a lot of Mozart and

yeah, now is the time I ain't diggin' it...besides, the Panera next to my crib plays

jazz all the time and the first thing I thought when I hit play on the video was

"Let's see...I'ma get a greek salad, creamy tomato soup and my wife'll probably

want the Italian combo, chips on the side...."

It's nice to see someone really into Dolphy. I like his approach to music, but I

don't necessarily like the results. Towards his death, the only persons who under-

stood what Coltrane was speaking musically was Coltrane and God: that shit is

impenetrable, similar to the mysteries I attribute to God, but that's another forum...

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Reply #28 posted 07/08/12 1:11pm

duccichucka

I love this weird, strange, intoxicating, quirky, genius mutherfucker.

You had to have a really good grounding in theory and a superb

ear to play with him. At the 3:08 mark ---> g.e.n.i.u.s.

Rouse did a great job, too.

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Reply #29 posted 07/08/12 2:31pm

dm3857

wow! thanks guys, i have got a lot of listening to do! cant wait!

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