Gunsnhalen said:

Anywho... to try to not make this another constant pee joke after pee joke.

Does he talk about his year in Public Announcement & MGM?

I always wondered what those bands where about... i mean Kells was always the star. So where they just kind of there for the ride? or was there plans on PA going bigger after Born Into The 90's?

Jive used PA as a platform. They hired two back-up dancers and Kellz close friend was in the group too. They were never intended to blow up just to get Kellz name out there. He wrote and sang all the songs and did background vocals too. Jive thought that putting Kellz in a group would be a better way to launch his career instead of going solo first because around that time Boyz II Men and other groups were on the rise and garnered a lot of attention.

Kellz went separate ways from MGM once they signed to Jive. They didn't like that he was getting all the attention and there was some kind of dispute (I forgot what for) so Jive released them and hired 3 other people.

neonlights said:

Gunsnhalen said:

Anywho... to try to not make this another constant pee joke after pee joke.

Does he talk about his year in Public Announcement & MGM?

I always wondered what those bands where about... i mean Kells was always the star. So where they just kind of there for the ride? or was there plans on PA going bigger after Born Into The 90's?

Jive used PA as a platform. They hired two back-up dancers and Kellz close friend was in the group too. They were never intended to blow up just to get Kellz name out there. He wrote and sang all the songs and did background vocals too. Jive thought that putting Kellz in a group would be a better way to launch his career instead of going solo first because around that time Boyz II Men and other groups were on the rise and garnered a lot of attention.

Kellz went separate ways from MGM once they signed to Jive. They didn't like that he was getting all the attention and there was some kind of dispute (I forgot what for) so Jive released them and hired 3 other people.

Now it all makes sense!, But the other guys in PA where just kind of... eh. It's obvious Kells was pretty much doing everything he was the Beyonce & Diana of the group for them

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neonlights said:

fuzion said:

As I said, his learning disability has NOTHING to do with it, but it's a pretty safe bet to assume

Why are you assuming?

Soulacoaster Details:

Act I: Back in the Day" chronicles the musician's early life on Chicago's south side with Joann Kelly, his beloved soul-singer mother. Kelly reveals the secret pain of too early, too often sexual trauma that impacted him as a child.

Plagued by a crippling learning disorder that left him unable to read or write even to this very day, young Kelly compensated for his deficiencies by perfecting his basketball skills until his dream was nearly destroyed by random gun violence. When his music teacher/mentor Lena McLin prophesied that music, not basketball, would be his destiny, he wanted to believe her.

In "Act II: Getting Busy," Kelly evolves from a Chicago drop-out to a struggling L.A. musician homeless on the sands of Venice Beach while wrestling with the hard-to-resist sexual and financial temptations that accompany sudden stardom.

Kelly's musical genius shines as he describes the genesis of hits like "12-Play," "Bump N' Grind," "I'm Your Angel," and "We Thuggin." When Kelly writes and produces for his musical hero Michael Jackson, readers learn how initially he was not credited as writer on "You Are Not Alone," and what happened when he pushed back.

"R. Kelly is R&B," says actor and singer Tyrese Gibson. "In Soulacoaster you'll discover that his genius rests in his ability to constantly push the musical envelope as he explores the intimate aspects of love and lust, pain and joy, defeat and triumph."

"Act III: In the Ring," Kelly boxes against real-life challenges including: the diss-respect of colleagues, the painful end of his 12-year marriage, and the pepper spray truth behind the "Best of Both Worlds Tour." During this time, Kelly faced down his detractors orchestrating the most prolific period of his career at The Chocolate Factory– even as his legal team advised him to slow down, hide out, and cop a plea.

By 2008, Kelly had won the hardest fight of his life and in 2010, he re-emerged on the world stage when his inspirational anthem "Sign of Victory" opened the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

The beautifully designed Soulacoaster includes more than 130 color photographs that offer a truly dimensional portrait of Robert Kelly, the mama's boy, the brother, the artist, the father, and most of all, Robert the man.

Source: PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1ftoM)

Identity said:

Soulacoaster Details:

When Kelly writes and produces for his musical hero Michael Jackson, readers learn how initially he was not credited as writer on "You Are Not Alone," and what happened when he pushed back.

Wooo! Consider it copped.

Identity said:

Soulacoaster Details:

Act I: Back in the Day" chronicles the musician's early life on Chicago's south side with Joann Kelly, his beloved soul-singer mother. Kelly reveals the secret pain of too early, too often sexual trauma that impacted him as a child.

Plagued by a crippling learning disorder that left him unable to read or write even to this very day, young Kelly compensated for his deficiencies by perfecting his basketball skills until his dream was nearly destroyed by random gun violence. When his music teacher/mentor Lena McLin prophesied that music, not basketball, would be his destiny, he wanted to believe her.

In "Act II: Getting Busy," Kelly evolves from a Chicago drop-out to a struggling L.A. musician homeless on the sands of Venice Beach while wrestling with the hard-to-resist sexual and financial temptations that accompany sudden stardom.

Kelly's musical genius shines as he describes the genesis of hits like "12-Play," "Bump N' Grind," "I'm Your Angel," and "We Thuggin." When Kelly writes and produces for his musical hero Michael Jackson, readers learn how initially he was not credited as writer on "You Are Not Alone," and what happened when he pushed back.

"R. Kelly is R&B," says actor and singer Tyrese Gibson. "In Soulacoaster you'll discover that his genius rests in his ability to constantly push the musical envelope as he explores the intimate aspects of love and lust, pain and joy, defeat and triumph."

"Act III: In the Ring," Kelly boxes against real-life challenges including: the diss-respect of colleagues, the painful end of his 12-year marriage, and the pepper spray truth behind the "Best of Both Worlds Tour." During this time, Kelly faced down his detractors orchestrating the most prolific period of his career at The Chocolate Factory– even as his legal team advised him to slow down, hide out, and cop a plea.

By 2008, Kelly had won the hardest fight of his life and in 2010, he re-emerged on the world stage when his inspirational anthem "Sign of Victory" opened the 2010 World Cup in South Africa.

The beautifully designed Soulacoaster includes more than 130 color photographs that offer a truly dimensional portrait of Robert Kelly, the mama's boy, the brother, the artist, the father, and most of all, Robert the man.

Source: PR Newswire (http://s.tt/1ftoM)

See... now THAT I'd read. Regardless of my feelings about him outside of music, he IS a genius and sometimes geniuses are tortured spirits. This is something I can read and not feel like someone's just blowing smoke.

Thanks for that excerpt.

See, it's never good to ASSume.

----

Anyway, I'm really interested to read this book. Can't wait!

fuzion said:

See... now THAT I'd read. Regardless of my feelings about him outside of music, he IS a genius and sometimes geniuses are tortured spirits. This is something I can read and not feel like someone's just blowing smoke.

Thanks for that excerpt.

Kelly is a genius? .....................at what?

I don't view him as a genius-level artist. I do think he's one of R & B's last ray of hope, a prolific albeit undisciplined tunesmith. I can't wait to read the memoir.

Graycap23 said:

fuzion said:

See... now THAT I'd read. Regardless of my feelings about him outside of music, he IS a genius and sometimes geniuses are tortured spirits. This is something I can read and not feel like someone's just blowing smoke.

Thanks for that excerpt.

Kelly is a genius? .....................at what?

Music.

Gunsnhalen said:

neonlights said:

Jive used PA as a platform. They hired two back-up dancers and Kellz close friend was in the group too. They were never intended to blow up just to get Kellz name out there. He wrote and sang all the songs and did background vocals too. Jive thought that putting Kellz in a group would be a better way to launch his career instead of going solo first because around that time Boyz II Men and other groups were on the rise and garnered a lot of attention.

Kellz went separate ways from MGM once they signed to Jive. They didn't like that he was getting all the attention and there was some kind of dispute (I forgot what for) so Jive released them and hired 3 other people.

Now it all makes sense!, But the other guys in PA where just kind of... eh. It's obvious Kells was pretty much doing everything he was the Beyonce & Diana of the group for them

R Kelly's earlier career he tried to model himself after Aaron Hall & Guy. Same haircut,clothes and everything. Its funny how he soon surpassed them in talent...

neonlights said:

Graycap23 said:

Kelly is a genius? .....................at what?

Music.

Thanks 4 the laugh. If Kelly is a genius, P. Diddy is Pavarotti.

Graycap23 said:

neonlights said:

Music.

Thanks 4 making me fume.

No problem. Seems like an easy thing to do.

Graycap23 said:

neonlights said:

Music.

Thanks 4 the laugh. If Kelly is a genius, P. Diddy is Pavarotti.

Robert's catalog is a testament to his standing power as both writer and performer. Even when he's off his game, he outpaces the competition. That's a true artist.

neonlights said:

Graycap23 said:

Thanks 4 making me laugh.

No problem. Seems like an easy thing to do.

Don't change my words...............

Identity said:

Graycap23 said:

Thanks 4 the laugh. If Kelly is a genius, P. Diddy is Pavarotti.

Robert's catalog is a testament to his standing power as both writer and performer. Even when he's off his game, he outpaces the competition. That's a true artist.

Very true!!!These people here are just judging him by his demons. Just like like the public judged MJ by his legal trouble. The R's catalog of hits passes everyone in his generation. Even MJ knew that. At one point you couldn't turn the radio on without hearing a song he wrote or was singing..

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Identity said:

Robert's catalog is a testament to his standing power as both writer and performer. Even when he's off his game, he outpaces the competition. That's a true artist.

Very true!!!These people here are just judging him by his demons. Just like like the public judged MJ by his legal trouble. The R's catalog of hits passes everyone in his generation. Even MJ knew that. At one point you couldn't turn the radio on without hearing a song he wrote or was singing..

U guys are on a roll. Kelly is NOT a genius at any thing music related. I could care less about his so called demons.

It makes no difference, GC. I'm moving on...

Exclusive Book Excerpt: R. Kelly's Soulacoaster: The Diary of Me

Robert recalls meeting Tupac and Biggie before their untimely deaths

Link

Identity said:

It makes no difference, GC. I'm moving on...

It is insulting 2 music 2 call Kelly a genius. Sorry.

It's neither insulting nor wrong to question the ''genius'' label some have placed upon him. The back and forth becomes rather boring after awhile. My goal is to keep focusing on the memoir itself.

Identity said:

It's neither insulting nor wrong to question the ''genius'' label some have placed upon him. The back and forth becomes rather boring after awhile. My goal is to keep focusing on the memoir itself.

Graycap23 said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Very true!!!These people here are just judging him by his demons. Just like like the public judged MJ by his legal trouble. The R's catalog of hits passes everyone in his generation. Even MJ knew that. At one point you couldn't turn the radio on without hearing a song he wrote or was singing..

U guys are on a roll. Kelly is NOT a genius at any thing music related. I could care less about his so called demons.

He's a musical genius and this a fact. We get it, you don't like him. Get out and move on already. It's redundant now.

neonlights said:

Graycap23 said:

U guys are on a roll. Kelly is NOT a genius at any thing music related. I could care less about his so called demons.

He's a musical genius and this a fact. We get it, you don't like him. Get out and move on already. It's redundant now.

He didnt say he didnt like him but just not deserving to be called genius. That word is thrown around to loosely. R. Kelly is a very talented dude and I like him but I wouldnt call him a genius either. Just because his music is a notch better than his peers doesnt mean he is.

mjscarousal said:

neonlights said:

He's a musical genius and this a fact. We get it, you don't like him. Get out and move on already. It's redundant now.

He didnt say he didnt like him but just not deserving to be called genius. That word is thrown around to loosely. R. Kelly is a very talented dude and I like him but I wouldnt call him a genius either. Just because his music is a notch better than his peers doesnt mean he is.

My opinion is based on Gray's posting pattern in R. Kelly threads.

People don't refer to R. Kelly as a musical genius because his music is better than his peers. It has more to do with the fact that he's a savant.

mjscarousal said:

neonlights said:

He's a musical genius and this a fact. We get it, you don't like him. Get out and move on already. It's redundant now.

He didnt say he didnt like him but just not deserving to be called genius. That word is thrown around to loosely. R. Kelly is a very talented dude and I like him but I wouldnt call him a genius either. Just because his music is a notch better than his peers doesnt mean he is.

I can't believe u wouldn't after he wrote one of Ur idol's MJ biggest hits. Even though I only reserve the word "genius" for Prince...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

mjscarousal said:

He didnt say he didnt like him but just not deserving to be called genius. That word is thrown around to loosely. R. Kelly is a very talented dude and I like him but I wouldnt call him a genius either. Just because his music is a notch better than his peers doesnt mean he is.

I can't believe u wouldn't after he wrote one of Ur idol's MJ biggest hits. Even though I only reserve the word "genius" for Prince...

He wrote one song for MJ (which by the way is a weak track compared to the others on HIStory) and you think he's "genius"?

He's a great songwriter though, but not a "genius".

To me, the definition of genius = Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince.

In that order.

mjscarousal said:

neonlights said:

He's a musical genius and this a fact. We get it, you don't like him. Get out and move on already. It's redundant now.

He didnt say he didnt like him but just not deserving to be called genius. That word is thrown around to loosely. R. Kelly is a very talented dude and I like him but I wouldnt call him a genius either. Just because his music is a notch better than his peers doesnt mean he is.

I dig Kelly. He has a lot of material that I can get into...but genius? Hell no.

ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

I can't believe u wouldn't after he wrote one of Ur idol's MJ biggest hits. Even though I only reserve the word "genius" for Prince...

He wrote one song for MJ (which by the way is a weak track compared to the others on HIStory) and you think he's "genius"?

He's a great songwriter though, but not a "genius".

To me, the definition of genius = Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, Prince.

In that order.

and you think Michael Jackson is a genius?