OldFriends4Sale said:

dag said:

Considering Janet was crucified for that.... Unbelievable. Yeah, some may say that was not on national TV in Prime time, but was Madonna's concert rated 18 and over?

I didn't like what they made of that Janet incident, nor do I like the way Madonna acts. I think it's embarrasing regardless of her age.

Funny thing is that recently I spoke to one of my collegues about MJ because I am preparing to have a lesson on him during Music. He seems to be appaled by MJ's crotch grabbing and tried to tell me that I should understand that not everyone may feel comfortable watching that. I told him that Madonna has been acting like a self-obssessed, arrogant bitch her whole life, yet I've never read an article where they would call her that. ANd not just Madonna, what Ozzy has done onstage eating that chicken or what, what Lady Gaga does, you name them....

I just find it interesting to see what some people find offensive with some people while others can easily get away with even worst things and not just that, they are said to be "pushing the envelopes" etc.

I can't believe you said that...

Madonna was criticized and attacked from the beginning.

She's been handed the mantel of being the one who made being gay acceptible back in the 1990's

Glenn Beck just 2 years ago on his show said he wished she would just hurry up and die

Prince & Madonna since the 80's were called control freaks and Madonna has been called a bitch

What some of it comes down to also are peoples levels of prudishness

What Janet did was not at her show, as others have stated. The Superbowl is not a place to be as free as you want to be in your videos and concerts.

What Madonna did and that is pretty tame, was at her show. Anyone who goes to a Madonna show with prudishness needs to be offended.

Who's Glenn Beck?

Personally, I do see double standards here.

I am not sure what difference there is between a Superbowl show and a concert. I thought the problem with the whole Janet thing was that it was not appropriate for young people. Of course, when you go to a Madonna concert, you should expect a lot of controversy, but I am not aware of her concerts being accesible only for 18.

As for the press attacks, maybe the media over here aren't as critical towards her as in your country.

dag said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I can't believe you said that...

Madonna was criticized and attacked from the beginning.

She's been handed the mantel of being the one who made being gay acceptible back in the 1990's

Glenn Beck just 2 years ago on his show said he wished she would just hurry up and die

Prince & Madonna since the 80's were called control freaks and Madonna has been called a bitch

What some of it comes down to also are peoples levels of prudishness

What Janet did was not at her show, as others have stated. The Superbowl is not a place to be as free as you want to be in your videos and concerts.

What Madonna did and that is pretty tame, was at her show. Anyone who goes to a Madonna show with prudishness needs to be offended.

Who's Glenn Beck?

Personally, I do see double standards here.

I am not sure what difference there is between a Superbowl show and a concert. I thought the problem with the whole Janet thing was that it was not appropriate for young people. Of course, when you go to a Madonna concert, you should expect a lot of controversy, but I am not aware of her concerts being accesible only for 18.

As for the press attacks, maybe the media over here aren't as critical towards her as in your country.

There are double standards and Madonna is full of shit. Madonna bashed Janet for that incident and even insisted that you dont have to do that to be popular but she goes and turns around and does the very same thing! It doesnt matter if it was at a private show. If she truly believes you dont have to show your tit to get attention why is she doing it herself? For me its principle... Madonna is full of shit and just like a concert children can attend it as well even though its not on a bigger scale as the superbowl

[b][color=red][Geezuz....... site owner does not allow full frontal nudes. There are young ones on this site. - luv4u]

Children watch porn when their parents are at work.

excited said:

NeonCraxx said:

[b][color=red][Geezuz....... site owner does not allow full frontal nudes. There are young ones on this site. - luv4u]

Children watch porn when their parents are at work.

But this site is only accountable for this site

mjscarousal said:

dag said:

Who's Glenn Beck?

Personally, I do see double standards here.

I am not sure what difference there is between a Superbowl show and a concert. I thought the problem with the whole Janet thing was that it was not appropriate for young people. Of course, when you go to a Madonna concert, you should expect a lot of controversy, but I am not aware of her concerts being accesible only for 18.

As for the press attacks, maybe the media over here aren't as critical towards her as in your country.

There are double standards and Madonna is full of shit. Madonna bashed Janet for that incident and even insisted that you dont have to do that to be popular but she goes and turns around and does the very same thing! It doesnt matter if it was at a private show. If she truly believes you dont have to show your tit to get attention why is she doing it herself? For me its principle... Madonna is full of shit and just like a concert children can attend it as well even though its not on a bigger scale as the superbowl

Did you see the interview where it was brought up? She did not BASH Janet, it was a tongue in cheek "no wardrobe malfunctions" comment, a term that since then has been very common and popular, people use that phrase all the time,

Did she BASH Janet in some other interview that you know of? Because if it's Madonna's pre superbowl interv she did not

How can it be a double standard when these are 2 different kinds of shows: Janet's was not her own concert, it was the Superbowl and Madonnas was not a malfunction and it was her own show.

"I have not mainstreamed and I’m not planning anything naughty. I’m planning something super entertaining. Yep, yep! You don’t have to show nipples to be interesting. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re cutting edge if you do, right?"

dag said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I can't believe you said that...

Madonna was criticized and attacked from the beginning.

She's been handed the mantel of being the one who made being gay acceptible back in the 1990's

Glenn Beck just 2 years ago on his show said he wished she would just hurry up and die

Prince & Madonna since the 80's were called control freaks and Madonna has been called a bitch

What some of it comes down to also are peoples levels of prudishness

What Janet did was not at her show, as others have stated. The Superbowl is not a place to be as free as you want to be in your videos and concerts.

What Madonna did and that is pretty tame, was at her show. Anyone who goes to a Madonna show with prudishness needs to be offended.

Who's Glenn Beck?

Personally, I do see double standards here.

I am not sure what difference there is between a Superbowl show and a concert. I thought the problem with the whole Janet thing was that it was not appropriate for young people. Of course, when you go to a Madonna concert, you should expect a lot of controversy, but I am not aware of her concerts being accesible only for 18.

As for the press attacks, maybe the media over here aren't as critical towards her as in your country.

Glenn Beck is a conservative media host guy

It can only be a double standard if it's the same type of venue & situation

Which it was not

The Superbowl is televised, its a ''family hour" show no parental ratings etc

Madonna's concert is not a televised "family hour" show, it has parental ratings

You have to choose to pay to see it and most people know they are going to get

some curse words sex naughtiness etc etc

Madonna followed the guidelines of the Superbowl show, she stayed within the boundaries of what they required, it was not her show

There are no double standards

OldFriends4Sale said:

mjscarousal said:

There are double standards and Madonna is full of shit. Madonna bashed Janet for that incident and even insisted that you dont have to do that to be popular but she goes and turns around and does the very same thing! It doesnt matter if it was at a private show. If she truly believes you dont have to show your tit to get attention why is she doing it herself? For me its principle... Madonna is full of shit and just like a concert children can attend it as well even though its not on a bigger scale as the superbowl

Did you see the interview where it was brought up? She did not BASH Janet, it was a tongue in cheek "no wardrobe malfunctions" comment, a term that since then has been very common and popular, people use that phrase all the time,

Did she BASH Janet in some other interview that you know of? Because if it's Madonna's pre superbowl interv she did not

How can it be a double standard when these are 2 different kinds of shows: Janet's was not her own concert, it was the Superbowl and Madonnas was not a malfunction and it was her own show.

"I have not mainstreamed and I’m not planning anything naughty. I’m planning something super entertaining. Yep, yep! You don’t have to show nipples to be interesting. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re cutting edge if you do, right?"

After the Superbowl incident she did bash Janet for the Superbowl and that comment above is taking a stab at Janet implying that she was purposely trying to be more entertaining by showing her breast and suggesting you dont have to do that but we all can see thats bullshit because she turned around and did the exact same thing...

Because if Janet were to do the same thing again like Madonna just did at a concert she would get bashed harshly... I agree to an extent about the venue difference but its the same principle and if she felt so strongly about commenting that you dont have to show a breast to be entertaining... why do it? Madonna is a walking contradiction and talks out of her ass.

mjscarousal said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Did you see the interview where it was brought up? She did not BASH Janet, it was a tongue in cheek "no wardrobe malfunctions" comment, a term that since then has been very common and popular, people use that phrase all the time,

Did she BASH Janet in some other interview that you know of? Because if it's Madonna's pre superbowl interv she did not

How can it be a double standard when these are 2 different kinds of shows: Janet's was not her own concert, it was the Superbowl and Madonnas was not a malfunction and it was her own show.

"I have not mainstreamed and I’m not planning anything naughty. I’m planning something super entertaining. Yep, yep! You don’t have to show nipples to be interesting. It doesn’t necessarily mean you’re cutting edge if you do, right?"

After the Superbowl incident she did bash Janet for the Superbowl and that comment above is taking a stab at Janet implying that she was purposely trying to be more entertaining by showing her breast and suggesting you dont have to do that but we all can see thats bullshit because she turned around and did the exact same thing...

Because if Janet were to do the same thing again like Madonna just did at a concert she would get bashed harshly... I agree to an extent about the venue difference but its the same principle and if she felt so strongly about commenting that you dont have to show a breast to be entertaining... why do it? Madonna is a walking contradiction and talks out of her ass.

That quote was from the pre Superbowl interview, I read or head nothing following that of Madonna BASHING Janet.

Again once that comment was made by Janet everyone took it and used it, made fun of it and used it on themselves. I didn't see anything malicious in her comment. And she only responded because of her own types of shows and the interviewer making a comment about malfunctions

Until Janet does something like that at one of her concerts, we will never know. Until then there is no double standard. You can't apply a double standard comment to very different situations.

Madonna continues to be alked about while not giving a fuck.

I bet she's laughing all the way to the bank.

RKJCNE said:

Madonna continues to be alked about while not giving a fuck.

I bet she's laughing all the way to the bank.

Yep, and she this concert is already sold out

And every thread on madonna people who 'cant stand her' will make sure they flood it with their "I don't care about her" opinions

NeonCraxx said:

[b][color=red][Geezuz....... site owner does not allow full frontal nudes. There are young ones on this site. - luv4u]

Children watch porn when their parents are at work.

My Dad walked in when that came up.

smoothcriminal12 said:

NeonCraxx said:

Children watch porn when their parents are at work.

My Dad walked in when that came up.

well now he knows what your up to

aardvark15 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

My Dad walked in when that came up.

well now he knows what your up to

Madonna hasn't been completely culturally significant since Vogue.

Real talk.

duccichucka said:

Madonna hasn't been completely culturally significant since Vogue.

Real talk.

So the fact that Ray Of Light is one of her most successful albums means nothing? How about the fact that Frozen, Ray Of Light, Music, and 4 Minutes became worldwide top 5 singles (mostly number one)? How about the fact that Hung Up is her most successful song ever and topped the charts in nearly every country it was eligible aside from the U.S and a few others? How about the fact that Confessions On A Dance Floor has sold over 10 million copies despite being released in a time when album sales were plummeting? How about the fact that her Sticky And Sweet Tour is the most successful tour by a solo artist in history?

aardvark15 said:

duccichucka said:

Madonna hasn't been completely culturally significant since Vogue.

Real talk.

So the fact that Ray Of Light is one of her most successful albums means nothing? How about the fact that Frozen, Ray Of Light, Music, and 4 Minutes became worldwide top 5 singles (mostly number one)? How about the fact that Hung Up is her most successful song ever and topped the charts in nearly every country it was eligible aside from the U.S and a few others? How about the fact that Confessions On A Dance Floor has sold over 10 million copies despite being released in a time when album sales were plummeting? How about the fact that her Sticky And Sweet Tour is the most successful tour by a solo artist in history?

Rihanna said it best: Aw, poor dat #neaux1currrr

It never ceases to amaze me how ppl who don't like a certain artist, always knows every damn thing.

Madonna has always been "relevant" and "significant", unlike our purple one who most of the world believes haven't released new music since the 80's. Prince has his following, just like Madonna has her own and ppl who "use" to like or love her, now telling her to "hang it up"... for WHAT?????

She still sells out arenas and stadiums... she still breaks the bank.... she still gets ratings on network shows, whether she's performing or being interviewed. So why should she "HANG IT UP"????

Because she's over 50 now???? I mean they said that when she hit 40!

It's a double standard for females in the Industry, because you can't be provocative or controversial and be 53 years old, but if Mick Jagger or David Bowie did something "shocking" we'd all pay attention and praise them for being edgy or causing a stir!

The point is, we all have to "age" and Madonna isn't bad looking, she's matured alot in her looks but she's still one hell of a performer, the woman sings and dances her heart out on stage and of course we know she isn't the BEST singer or dancer, but she's doing it better than anyone else is doing it at this stage of the game. Prince is performing the hits in new arrangments and offering up Jam Sessions on DR.Funkenberry. He hasn't given up a new dvd or cd, nor has he released any catchy music for the masses to enjoy, even us... were constantly complaining about his lack of new material and when we finally get it. We criticize the hell out of it. Madonna is human, Prince is human, their both 53 years old and I don't see nothing wrong with them continuing to do what they love to do. Music is their calling and how dare we say "HANG IT UP" because were not digging it! Why would they "HANG IT UP", especially Madonna... she's been dancing all her freaking life and just because she's got a few wrinkles here and there, means she should just "HANG IT UP", thats absurd! Madonna has maintained a HIGH PROFILE since 1982 and she has had multiple hits since "VOGUE" @Duccichuka, not to mention a few Mega hit albums (Ray of Light, Confessions...) she has had the BIGGEST SELLING TOUR, continued to score #1 dance club hits (she's on her 42nd now), She had the Highest Rated Superbowl Performance (114 million) much more than the Superbowl Game itself... so she's not "Significant"???? Her pre order for M.D.N.A ranked #1 in 38 countries and her current tour has already made $250 million dolloars... so she's not "Significant"??? If she wasn't relevant, do you honestly think we'd be talking about her NIPPLE????

If "Cyndi Lauper" did it... it wouldn't even be a trending topic on twitter! That just goes to show you how much impact MADONNA still has and the interest is still there, whether she's sold a million copies of M.D.N.A. The point is, she didn't even promote the album in a conventional style, she relied on print interviews and social media promotions to spread the word, with close to no airplay, except for "GIVE ME ALL YOUR LUVIN" which most clear channel stations played every hour on the hour, the weekend of superbowl. Yet she's nearing "GOLD" status... and we all know ALBUMS DON'T SELL ANYMORE, its the Tours where most artist make their money. ASK PRINCE!

Anyhow, I am a Madonna fan and I don't feel she should "HANG IT UP" because there's plenty of fans like myself who grew up on her music like we did with Prince and enjoy her New Records and New Tours. She still puts on a great show and as someone who has attended many of her concerts, each new tour, she gets better and better! So no she isn't losing her "SHOCK VALUE"... I think if anything, its more shocking now than ever, because she's defying age at this point. #OFF MY SOAP BOX

The older she gets, the more it becomes clear that Ray of Light was really an anomaly in her catalogue. I have no idea how that album got made given that she's still flashing her tits in concert fifteen years later. It's completely uninteresting and I guess I just thought she'd have more to say at this point in her career than the drivel that was Hard Candy and MDNA.

smoothcriminal12 said:

aardvark15 said:

So the fact that Ray Of Light is one of her most successful albums means nothing? How about the fact that Frozen, Ray Of Light, Music, and 4 Minutes became worldwide top 5 singles (mostly number one)? How about the fact that Hung Up is her most successful song ever and topped the charts in nearly every country it was eligible aside from the U.S and a few others? How about the fact that Confessions On A Dance Floor has sold over 10 million copies despite being released in a time when album sales were plummeting? How about the fact that her Sticky And Sweet Tour is the most successful tour by a solo artist in history?

Rihanna said it best: Aw, poor dat #neaux1currrr

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aardvark15 said:

duccichucka said:

Madonna hasn't been completely culturally significant since Vogue.

Real talk.

So the fact that Ray Of Light is one of her most successful albums means nothing? How about the fact that Frozen, Ray Of Light, Music, and 4 Minutes became worldwide top 5 singles (mostly number one)? How about the fact that Hung Up is her most successful song ever and topped the charts in nearly every country it was eligible aside from the U.S and a few others? How about the fact that Confessions On A Dance Floor has sold over 10 million copies despite being released in a time when album sales were plummeting? How about the fact that her Sticky And Sweet Tour is the most successful tour by a solo artist in history?

Don't care, dude.

Vogue is the last time Madonna crossed over into the US's pop culture's consciousness.

Her pullling a titty out is a desperate attempt to be relevant again.

But I've seen her cooch and titties before - Madge is passe.

duccichucka said:

aardvark15 said:

So the fact that Ray Of Light is one of her most successful albums means nothing? How about the fact that Frozen, Ray Of Light, Music, and 4 Minutes became worldwide top 5 singles (mostly number one)? How about the fact that Hung Up is her most successful song ever and topped the charts in nearly every country it was eligible aside from the U.S and a few others? How about the fact that Confessions On A Dance Floor has sold over 10 million copies despite being released in a time when album sales were plummeting? How about the fact that her Sticky And Sweet Tour is the most successful tour by a solo artist in history?

Don't care, dude.

Vogue is the last time Madonna crossed over into the US's pop culture's consciousness.

Whatever you say. It's obviously false.

aardvark15 said:

duccichucka said:

Don't care, dude.

Vogue is the last time Madonna crossed over into the US's pop culture's consciousness.

Whatever you say. It's obviously false.

Clearly you have no idea what constitues "obviously false."

2+2=5 is obviously false.

Madonna being passe/relevant will always be debatable. I happen to think that

her titty exposure is boring and that she's a 50 year old diva trying to make a

headline.

Madonna hasn't had an interesting musical idea in about 10+ years.

aardvark15 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Rihanna said it best: Aw, poor dat #neaux1currrr

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I was tryna insult you but it didn't work out.

oh lol.

Here we go again. Madonna does what she wants. she doesn't care about age, or if it's shocking or not. well, of course she kinda likes to shock. but she does what she wants. that's what I always loved about Madonna. that's why I see her as inspiration, for me... as young lady.

And who cares that she is 53? she is not allowed to show her tit? just because she's ''old''? oh come on!!! she looks very good for her age, and she isn't ''old''.. people should do what they want, no matter what their age is!!

just saying.

smoothcriminal12 said:

aardvark15 said:

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I was tryna insult you but it didn't work out.

Can't see the picture

Great for Madonna that she's still successful and her fans love this,etc. but I personally didn't find it interesting or sexy at all. This is coming who considers themself at least somewhat of a Madonna fan (I own several of her albums and will see her in concert in September! yay) but at some point, it's time to lay some things to rest.

Call me ageist and whatnot, but Madonna is TOO OLD to be doing this kind of thing. If this was say Chaka Khan (who is around 5 or 6 years older than Madge) doing this, people would be calling her sad, desperate,pathetic,etc. If it was Janet Jackson who had intentionally done this at one of her concerts (superbowl doesn't count!) ?!!! FORGET ABOUT IT. People would talk so much shit about her. The same ones on this site praising Madonna for flashing her boob and going against the grain of what stars her age are expected to do would have so much negative things to say if it was Janet.

Madonna flashing her boob at her age and after all she's accomplished in her career is not groundbreaking, cool or interesting. We've seen this time and time again from Madonna. We've seen her naked several times.

It's simply not interesting or even shocking anymore.

She doesn't need to resort to stunts like this anymore. At some point, it's time to put the tits away.

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Cinnamon234 said:

Great for Madonna that she's still successful and her fans love this,etc. but I personally didn't find it interesting or sexy at all. This is coming who considers themself at least somewhat of a Madonna fan (I own several of her albums and will see her in concert in September! yay) but at some point, it's time to lay some things to rest.

Call me ageist and whatnot, but Madonna is TOO OLD to be doing this kind of thing. If this was say Chaka Khan (who is around 5 or 6 years older than Madge) doing this, people would be calling her sad, desperate,pathetic,etc. If it was Janet Jackson who had intentionally done this at one of her concerts (superbowl doesn't count!) ?!!! FORGET ABOUT IT. People would talk so much shit about her. The same ones on this site praising Madonna for flashing her boob and going against the grain of what stars her age are expected to do would have so much negative things to say if it was Janet.

Madonna flashing her boob at her age and after all she's accomplished in her career is not groundbreaking, cool or interesting. We've seen this time and time again from Madonna. We've seen her naked several times.

It's simply not interesting or even shocking anymore.

She doesn't need to resort to stunts like this anymore. At some point, it's time to put the tits away.

[Edited 6/12/12 18:42pm]

Not me

Cinnamon234 said:

Great for Madonna that she's still successful and her fans love this,etc. but I personally didn't find it interesting or sexy at all. This is coming who considers themself at least somewhat of a Madonna fan (I own several of her albums and will see her in concert in September! yay) but at some point, it's time to lay some things to rest.

Call me ageist and whatnot, but Madonna is TOO OLD to be doing this kind of thing. If this was say Chaka Khan (who is around 5 or 6 years older than Madge) doing this, people would be calling her sad, desperate,pathetic,etc. If it was Janet Jackson who had intentionally done this at one of her concerts (superbowl doesn't count!) ?!!! FORGET ABOUT IT. People would talk so much shit about her. The same ones on this site praising Madonna for flashing her boob and going against the grain of what stars her age are expected to do would have so much negative things to say if it was Janet.

Madonna flashing her boob at her age and after all she's accomplished in her career is not groundbreaking, cool or interesting. We've seen this time and time again from Madonna. We've seen her naked several times.

It's simply not interesting or even shocking anymore.

She doesn't need to resort to stunts like this anymore. At some point, it's time to put the tits away.

[Edited 6/12/12 18:42pm]

I don't know if anyone is praising her for doing it. I'm not, I'm just saying so what, she did it at 1 concert and I don't know what was happening to promt it. Maybe fans in the audience asked her too IDK

But I would definately not have anything negative to say if Janet did it.

I hope this isn't some undercover black vs white thing

If Janet had Justin T rip her piece off at one of her concerts and showed a pierced nipple I'd have no problem with it.

I don't think any or most fans at the concert would have a problem

Doing it at the Superbowl and lying about a malfunction though is not cool