Hi everyone,

I'm new here, but I did do a thorough search of all posts relating to this before I thought about making a new topic!

I wanted to specifically sort of bring about a general discussion about these three in particular, but also ask a question or two for those who are more knowledgable than I am on some things.

So firstly, I was a Janet fan before I got into The Time and ashamedly I didn't know all that much about them before that. I knew Jimmy and Terry were amazing producers and were in the band, but apart from that my knowledge was kind of zilch. But now that I've been into the The Time for a while, it's become really apparent to me how MUCH Janet was influenced by them - and of course, Prince. I just want to post her live/video of Control:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mp;ob=av2e

Because even though she's obviously always been inspired by her brother (although keep in mind this was PRE-bad), I can see a lot of Morris and Prince. Also while we're just quickly on the topic, this version of Control is on the Remix cd if anyone has it, and right at the end after the last synth fade there's a laugh (which I think belongs to either Jimmy or Terry) and then an extremely Morris-like "yeee-eeess". Dunno why he'd be hanging around these recordings, but they were done in minneapolis so who knows.

Anyway, so that kind of takes me to Control as a whole album; to me it resembles What Time Is It in some ways. There's a call and response in Nasty that's similar (to me) to The Walk (which in turn, the drum pattern on that recalls Rock With You by Michael). What Have You Done For Me Lately I've heard comes from a jam session between the guys and Prince. When I Think Of You has the signature Morris-sound from The Bird. The Pleasure Principle was of course produced by Monte Moir. I mean it's just so Time influenced for me that it's incredible....kind of makes me wish she got to share the stage with the full band just once, seeing as we got four members in the Control video.

Well my point of all this ramble is I guess to hear everyone's thoughts on this as a whole, because I totally respect and love the discussion that goes on in this forum compared to er....certain other places that lean towards more of the Jacksons way (big MJ fan, but the discussion has long since died on the fanboards in regards to his music and the actual interesting aspects of that all).

And that said, anybody got any info on whether Morris has ever spoken about Janet or Jimmy/Terry producing her stuff? Would love to know!

Oh and one last thing - I'm an illustrator by profession, couldn't help myself by doing this:

[Edited 5/16/12 1:57am]

Wow I love your picture! Welcome to the board by the way! You'll find that though MJ is a popular topic of discussion here, there are many other artists that grew up in the same era as him, janet, prince etc. that are discussed here, which I don't see at MJ boards.

I can't recall Janet working with The Time or Morris Day talking about her, but a song sounding like Jungle Love or The Bird would have really suited Janet IMO another song that would have been cute for her is the Jam & Lewis produced Take Your Time for SOS, and of course Tell Me If You Still Care which was sampled in her song Call On Me.

Thanks man! This is why I love this place already, people discuss everything to do with several eras which I love a lot of artists from (60's, 70's, 80's). Whereas on MJ boards, you mostly get the crazy female fans (that said I'm female too haha!) who are still in their teens and know jack shiz about any other artist except Michael. So I'm very glad to be involved in this place, particularly because I grew up with all this music with my dad being a muso.

Weeeeelll technically I'd say Janet DID work with the Time; she's got Jimmy, Terry, Jellybean and Monte all on Control, and that's more than half of the band haha! And I heard Jerome apparently did the backing vocals on What Have You Done For Me Lately? There's a low voice that sings with her in the verses, but there's a lot of rumours who that is....

Totally agree on having a song like The Bird/Jungle Love for her in the 80's. I love Janet's vibe though, very independent and she definitely set herself apart from other female artists at the time throwing themselves at guys and parrotting on about nonsense. Control is probably my favourite album from her!

blackat said:

Weeeeelll technically I'd say Janet DID work with the Time; she's got Jimmy, Terry, Jellybean and Monte all on Control, and that's more than half of the band haha! And I heard Jerome apparently did the backing vocals on What Have You Done For Me Lately?

Jesse Johnson wrote & produced a couple of songs on Janet's 2nd album and a B-side song. There was a rumor in the 1980's that Janet was going to do a movie with The Time (including Morris). I don't know what the movie was going to be about, but the song You Need Me was supposed to be for the film. Janet has mentioned in several interviews that she went to see The Time in concert and she was a fan of the group. I assume that is why she chose to work with them. As far as I know, she has not worked with Morris, but she has worked with the other 6 members.

blackat said:

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, but I did do a thorough search of all posts relating to this before I thought about making a new topic!

I wanted to specifically sort of bring about a general discussion about these three in particular, but also ask a question or two for those who are more knowledgable than I am on some things.

So firstly, I was a Janet fan before I got into The Time and ashamedly I didn't know all that much about them before that. I knew Jimmy and Terry were amazing producers and were in the band, but apart from that my knowledge was kind of zilch. But now that I've been into the The Time for a while, it's become really apparent to me how MUCH Janet was influenced by them - and of course, Prince. I just want to post her live/video of Control:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mp;ob=av2e

Because even though she's obviously always been inspired by her brother (although keep in mind this was PRE-bad), I can see a lot of Morris and Prince. Also while we're just quickly on the topic, this version of Control is on the Remix cd if anyone has it, and right at the end after the last synth fade there's a laugh (which I think belongs to either Jimmy or Terry) and then an extremely Morris-like "yeee-eeess". Dunno why he'd be hanging around these recordings, but they were done in minneapolis so who knows.

Anyway, so that kind of takes me to Control as a whole album; to me it resembles What Time Is It in some ways. There's a call and response in Nasty that's similar (to me) to The Walk (which in turn, the drum pattern on that recalls Rock With You by Michael). What Have You Done For Me Lately I've heard comes from a jam session between the guys and Prince. When I Think Of You has the signature Morris-sound from The Bird. The Pleasure Principle was of course produced by Monte Moir. I mean it's just so Time influenced for me that it's incredible....kind of makes me wish she got to share the stage with the full band just once, seeing as we got four members in the Control video.

Well my point of all this ramble is I guess to hear everyone's thoughts on this as a whole, because I totally respect and love the discussion that goes on in this forum compared to er....certain other places that lean towards more of the Jacksons way (big MJ fan, but the discussion has long since died on the fanboards in regards to his music and the actual interesting aspects of that all).

And that said, anybody got any info on whether Morris has ever spoken about Janet or Jimmy/Terry producing her stuff? Would love to know!

Oh and one last thing - I'm an illustrator by profession, couldn't help myself by doing this:

[Edited 5/16/12 1:57am]

Beautiful illustration--it made me laugh. BTW welcome to the org...and beware.

Just want to say that I love the illustration and welcome to the Org.!

Not sure if Morris has ever mentioned Janet, but you are right that she did work with The Time, essentially. They were all over Dream Street and Control, and the "Control" video as well. Janet has said in many interviews that she's a huge Prince fan, and that she's seen The Time in concert (she said when Vanity 6 was on stage, she felt embarrassed because her mother was sitting right next to her lol).

That Minneapolis funk is all over "Control", and the Jesse Johnson-produced B-side that MickyDolenz spoke about called "French Blue" is pure Prince through and through

Prince himself has even covered "...Lately" several times in concert.

About that "Yesss!" and cackle at the end of the Control Video Mix, I always thought it was Terry playing around. It's at 5:54 in this video

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I've been on MJ boards for years and though it's nice to empathize with like-minded fans when it comes to his music and him as a person, I love music overall too and have since I was young, and could barely ever find other fans who like artists that mj was inspired by or into great songs out at the same time as mj at his peak, which were excellent and that I myself would sometimes put above mj's too though his catalogue overall is the strongest.

MickyDolenz said:

blackat said:

Weeeeelll technically I'd say Janet DID work with the Time; she's got Jimmy, Terry, Jellybean and Monte all on Control, and that's more than half of the band haha! And I heard Jerome apparently did the backing vocals on What Have You Done For Me Lately?

Jesse Johnson wrote & produced a couple of songs on Janet's 2nd album and a B-side song. There was a rumor in the 1980's that Janet was going to do a movie with The Time (including Morris). I don't know what the movie was going to be about, but the song You Need Me was supposed to be for the film. Janet has mentioned in several interviews that she went to see The Time in concert and she was a fan of the group. I assume that is why she chose to work with them. As far as I know, she has not worked with Morris, but she has worked with the other 6 members.

Oh man, how I wish that movie would've happened...it must've been slated for what, around the time of Control? Just before The Time split? Or more Dream Street era? Either way, it would've been awesome seeing as Janet was a bit of an actress herself! I love that scene in the Control video of the guys meeting her outside her house and horsing around. You can see they really had a big brother/little sister relationship with her.

Yup, she has! I think she mentions The Time more than Prince in terms of being a fan, which I find interesting!

Beautiful illustration--it made me laugh. BTW welcome to the org...and beware.

Haha thank you! I can sort of imagine Morris being a little taken aback by Janet's persona around Control...I mean come on, in comparision to "these jeans are too tight" Vanity she's pretty damn assertive LOL! And thank you....should I be scared of this forewarning?

Just want to say that I love the illustration and welcome to the Org.!

Not sure if Morris has ever mentioned Janet, but you are right that she did work with The Time, essentially. They were all over Dream Street and Control, and the "Control" video as well. Janet has said in many interviews that she's a huge Prince fan, and that she's seen The Time in concert (she said when Vanity 6 was on stage, she felt embarrassed because her mother was sitting right next to her lol).

That Minneapolis funk is all over "Control", and the Jesse Johnson-produced B-side that MickyDolenz spoke about called "French Blue" is pure Prince through and through

Okay so here's the thing with French Blue: I don't know if it's just me, but the version I have of that song is basically a weird remix of Pretty Boy which is probably my favourite track off Dream Street (apart from Don't Stand Another Chance). Do I have the wrong version or something?

Prince himself has even covered "...Lately" several times in concert.

About that "Yesss!" and cackle at the end of the Control Video Mix, I always thought it was Terry playing around. It's at 5:54 in this video

Yeah! And he makes a sly remark about it, which sort of refers to the rumour of the song coming from a jam between The Time and Prince. It does have a bit of his flavour in it....

Yeah I think it's probably Terry, but I'm just gonna keep on thinking it's Morris to satisfy my fantasies haha! I guess he was busy off with The Oak Tree.

I've been on MJ boards for years and though it's nice to empathize with like-minded fans when it comes to his music and him as a person, I love music overall too and have since I was young, and could barely ever find other fans who like artists that mj was inspired by or into great songs out at the same time as mj at his peak, which were excellent and that I myself would sometimes put above mj's too though his catalogue overall is the strongest.

Yes to all of this! Were you ever on Maximum Jackson? That place was pretty much the best to talk about Michael musically, and I used to be mod there under the same username I have here. Unfortunately the owners there were on a bit of a power trip and ended up banning a whole bunch of people, and then the forum went down the drain. Such a pity, because the discussion there was great.

I'm already loving all the amazing responses here; see this is why I love this board haha! Everyone is so informed, they know their stuff. It's so refreshing to be around people like this and to also be treated with respect when asking questions and throwing ideas out there. You guys rock!

Also, I was listening to When I Think Of You last night and just realised that you can hear Terry in the backup vocals! Never heard that before. It's a nice touch to Janet's lead vocals. Still think she's doing The Bird sound in it though haha!

(Btw I'm not trying to advertise myself here, but I post a lot of my artwork over here - http://youngearlgrey.tumblr.com and it's mostly of an 80's/nostalgia flavour!)

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Okay so here's the thing with French Blue: I don't know if it's just me, but the version I have of that song is basically a weird remix of Pretty Boy which is probably my favourite track off Dream Street (apart from Don't Stand Another Chance). Do I have the wrong version or something?

French Blue is a mix of Pretty Boy and Fast Girls with backmasking. The drums and synths are totally early 80s Prince.

SEANMAN said:

Okay so here's the thing with French Blue: I don't know if it's just me, but the version I have of that song is basically a weird remix of Pretty Boy which is probably my favourite track off Dream Street (apart from Don't Stand Another Chance). Do I have the wrong version or something?

French Blue is a mix of Pretty Boy and Fast Girls with backmasking. The drums and synths are totally early 80s Prince.

That's what I thought! But everybody always talks about French Blue being this amazing song, and I'm sitting here going...."uh all I hear is Pretty Boy" which is fine because I love that song anyway haha! The synths are totally Prince, as is the 1999-esque break down towards the end ("play that funky horn"/"mommy why does everyone have a bomb").

"Control" is basically a Time album with Janet on lead, lol. Actually - it's a Flyte Tyme album with Janet on lead. The difference between Flyte Tyme and The Time being Prince, of course.

But you know what that album proved for me, mostly? Monte Moir can THROW DOWN. "Pleasure Principle" might be my favorite joint on the whole album (and I love the whole album)

I mean, urrbody knows Jimmy and Terry come correct, but Monte was always kinda in the background with The Time and didn't really showcase his skills the way some of the others did.

Between "Pleasure Principle" and Alex O Neal's "If You Were Here Tonight", Monte kicked some ass!!!

It's a shame Janet never did a duet with Morris. Between working with Jesse prior to Jimmy and Terry, working with Monte, and then working with Jellybean on "Black Cat", she pretty much utilised the talents of every band member bar Morris.

btw, phenomenal illustration! I'm following you on Tumblr

blackat said:

Hi everyone,

I'm new here, but I did do a thorough search of all posts relating to this before I thought about making a new topic!

I wanted to specifically sort of bring about a general discussion about these three in particular, but also ask a question or two for those who are more knowledgable than I am on some things.

So firstly, I was a Janet fan before I got into The Time and ashamedly I didn't know all that much about them before that. I knew Jimmy and Terry were amazing producers and were in the band, but apart from that my knowledge was kind of zilch. But now that I've been into the The Time for a while, it's become really apparent to me how MUCH Janet was influenced by them - and of course, Prince. I just want to post her live/video of Control:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...mp;ob=av2e

Because even though she's obviously always been inspired by her brother (although keep in mind this was PRE-bad), I can see a lot of Morris and Prince. Also while we're just quickly on the topic, this version of Control is on the Remix cd if anyone has it, and right at the end after the last synth fade there's a laugh (which I think belongs to either Jimmy or Terry) and then an extremely Morris-like "yeee-eeess". Dunno why he'd be hanging around these recordings, but they were done in minneapolis so who knows.

Anyway, so that kind of takes me to Control as a whole album; to me it resembles What Time Is It in some ways. There's a call and response in Nasty that's similar (to me) to The Walk (which in turn, the drum pattern on that recalls Rock With You by Michael). What Have You Done For Me Lately I've heard comes from a jam session between the guys and Prince. When I Think Of You has the signature Morris-sound from The Bird. The Pleasure Principle was of course produced by Monte Moir. I mean it's just so Time influenced for me that it's incredible....kind of makes me wish she got to share the stage with the full band just once, seeing as we got four members in the Control video.

Well my point of all this ramble is I guess to hear everyone's thoughts on this as a whole, because I totally respect and love the discussion that goes on in this forum compared to er....certain other places that lean towards more of the Jacksons way (big MJ fan, but the discussion has long since died on the fanboards in regards to his music and the actual interesting aspects of that all).

And that said, anybody got any info on whether Morris has ever spoken about Janet or Jimmy/Terry producing her stuff? Would love to know!

Oh and one last thing - I'm an illustrator by profession, couldn't help myself by doing this:

[Edited 5/16/12 1:57am]

Welcome to the org! Wow, you're a really talented artist, love that illustration!

Militant said:

"Control" is basically a Time album with Janet on lead, lol. Actually - it's a Flyte Tyme album with Janet on lead. The difference between Flyte Tyme and The Time being Prince, of course.

But you know what that album proved for me, mostly? Monte Moir can THROW DOWN. "Pleasure Principle" might be my favorite joint on the whole album (and I love the whole album)

I mean, urrbody knows Jimmy and Terry come correct, but Monte was always kinda in the background with The Time and didn't really showcase his skills the way some of the others did.

Between "Pleasure Principle" and Alex O Neal's "If You Were Here Tonight", Monte kicked some ass!!!

It's a shame Janet never did a duet with Morris. Between working with Jesse prior to Jimmy and Terry, working with Monte, and then working with Jellybean on "Black Cat", she pretty much utilised the talents of every band member bar Morris.

Yeah I have a similar feeling! Monte has a great feel to his tracks, I really wish he did more production work. The Pleasure Principle is probably in my top favourites on the album; although that said I do prefer the remix used in the video which I think utilizes the extra beats track from the Control Remixes album (which conversely comes from When I Think Of You). It really adds that extra edge that's missing from the album version of the song.

Agreed on Morris and Janet, I think their voices would've worked quite well together! I mean Janet didn't really duet with anybody back in the 80's...which is a total shame, because her vocal style changed a bit after then. At least we got her on with Q-Tip on Velvet Rope!

And thank you for the comment on the illustration.

Welcome to the org! Wow, you're a really talented artist, love that illustration!

Thanks dude!

Morris remade Somebody's Watching Me. So there's an indirect connection.

^ Why oh why did he do that....props to the Gordy son and Michael, but that song is just plain awful (bar the hook which was remade into a far better dance track 20 years later). Morris has a good voice, he didn't need to do that shiz haha!

purplethunder3121 said:

She's so adorable!! But I totally dig old-school Janet more:

In late 1986,plans were being made for a Time movie featuring Janet Jackson.Not sure what it was gonna be about,but there was alot of talk about it back then.

SoulAlive said:

In late 1986,plans were being made for a Time movie featuring Janet Jackson.Not sure what it was gonna be about,but there was alot of talk about it back then.

Thanks for the info! So this was post-Purple Rain split? And was this the original line up, or...? Either way, would've been amazing!!

blackat said:

SoulAlive said:

In late 1986,plans were being made for a Time movie featuring Janet Jackson.Not sure what it was gonna be about,but there was alot of talk about it back then.

Thanks for the info! So this was post-Purple Rain split? And was this the original line up, or...? Either way, would've been amazing!!

yep,this was after Purple Rain.It was going to include all the original members.The plan was to make a movie,release a hot soundtrack and then go on a tour.

blackat said:

Why did he do that

It was for this movie.

During the "Control" era in 1986, I remember seeing a small video clip (by small, I mean just a few seconds) of Janet getting out of a car with either the entire Time, or the majority of The Time, and walking up to either a house or building or something. They guys were doing that loud laughing that they do and I can't remember if Morris was with them or not but I want to say that he was.

That's been a lot of years and I only saw it once and never saw it again. I can't even remember what show it was on, maybe "New York Hot Tracks" or "ET Tonight", I can't remember. I don't even know what the clip was for because it wasn't a music video and it was only for a few seconds.

vainandy said:

During the "Control" era in 1986, I remember seeing a small video clip (by small, I mean just a few seconds) of Janet getting out of a car with either the entire Time, or the majority of The Time, and walking up to either a house or building or something. They guys were doing that loud laughing that they do and I can't remember if Morris was with them or not but I want to say that he was.

That's been a lot of years and I only saw it once and never saw it again. I can't even remember what show it was on, maybe "New York Hot Tracks" or "ET Tonight", I can't remember. I don't even know what the clip was for because it wasn't a music video and it was only for a few seconds.

Man, your memory is much better than mine for such things...that was soooo long ago. But, then I've developed "lag time" memory in recent years anyhow....

vainandy said:

During the "Control" era in 1986, I remember seeing a small video clip (by small, I mean just a few seconds) of Janet getting out of a car with either the entire Time, or the majority of The Time, and walking up to either a house or building or something. They guys were doing that loud laughing that they do and I can't remember if Morris was with them or not but I want to say that he was.

That's been a lot of years and I only saw it once and never saw it again. I can't even remember what show it was on, maybe "New York Hot Tracks" or "ET Tonight", I can't remember. I don't even know what the clip was for because it wasn't a music video and it was only for a few seconds.

That was for the Control video. All the fellas was were in the ride save for Morris. Jerome, Jam & Lewis, Bean, Monte. They went to "pick Janet up" from a suburban home after she is having a fight with her (different) parents (they are famed actors I forget..is the mom Patti?).

rdhull said:

vainandy said:

During the "Control" era in 1986, I remember seeing a small video clip (by small, I mean just a few seconds) of Janet getting out of a car with either the entire Time, or the majority of The Time, and walking up to either a house or building or something. They guys were doing that loud laughing that they do and I can't remember if Morris was with them or not but I want to say that he was.

That's been a lot of years and I only saw it once and never saw it again. I can't even remember what show it was on, maybe "New York Hot Tracks" or "ET Tonight", I can't remember. I don't even know what the clip was for because it wasn't a music video and it was only for a few seconds.

That was for the Control video. All the fellas was were in the ride save for Morris. Jerome, Jam & Lewis, Bean, Monte. They went to "pick Janet up" from a suburban home after she is having a fight with her (different) parents (they are famed actors I forget..is the mom Patti?).

The mom in the "Control" video was Ja'net Dubois, Willona from "Good Times". It was cool seeing them together again later in years.

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No, I've never been to Maximum Jackson, does it still exist?

I also agree Pleasure Principle is my favourite on Control, along with You Can Be Mine and Nasty. I've always enjoyed this album, but have come to appreciate it even more in recent years. I actually used to like Dream Street more than Control too at one point, Pretty Boy reminded me of 1999 as well. If It Takes All Night also had a Prince vibe to it.

I also thought of the Control video intro with that scene, not sure if that was Morris, will have to watch it again.

Yeah that footage is from the Control video! I made some gifs of it a while back, this might refresh everyone's memories:

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I always liked their big brother/little sister vibe! Really adorable. You can see a movie probably would've worked pretty well, considering Janet had already done a lot of acting and Jerome lights up any scene!

No, I've never been to Maximum Jackson, does it still exist?

I also agree Pleasure Principle is my favourite on Control, along with You Can Be Mine and Nasty. I've always enjoyed this album, but have come to appreciate it even more in recent years. I actually used to like Dream Street more than Control too at one point, Pretty Boy reminded me of 1999 as well. If It Takes All Night also had a Prince vibe to it.

I also thought of the Control video intro with that scene, not sure if that was Morris, will have to watch it again.

It closed about 6 months ago, unfortunately taking all the threads and discussions with it. A damn shame.

Oh me too on Dream Street! I think it's a pretty decent album, but Janet obviously hadn't found her vocal strengths yet so that's a bit blandish.

Morris unfortunately isn't in Control, but Jerome, Terry, Jimmy and Jellybean are.

Btw, I don't want to clog up the forum with lots of things that have probably already been discussed, but I have a question in relation to Ice Cream Castles:

Chili Sauce obviously has dialogue that appears in both the Purple Rain film and the original script (most of it took place in a scene in the Caddy, after Apples escapes from The Kid's house and runs into Morris), so does anybody treat the track as sort of a continuity of Purple Rain? And then conversely, "If The Kid Can't Make You Come" as part of that? Not sure if I could sit through a sex scene involving Morris and Apples (even though I find Morris waaaaay more attractive than Prince LOL it must be a height thing! I can't do short guys!), but it would be interesting to hear any thoughts behind that track and in relation to Purple Rain.

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Janet sounded kind of decent on the debut album, but then got lost vocally on Dream Street. I think the first album reminded me of Off The Wall, and Dream Street of MJ and Prince's sound a little, though not as strong.

To be honest, I don't think Janet's acting was all that great with the guys in Control, they overshadowed her though she was okay with her "parents". So maybe it's better that movie was not her debut, and that she focused on her music career for sometime.

alphastreet said:

Janet sounded kind of decent on the debut album, but then got lost vocally on Dream Street. I think the first album reminded me of Off The Wall, and Dream Street of MJ and Prince's sound a little, though not as strong.

To be honest, I don't think Janet's acting was all that great with the guys in Control, they overshadowed her though she was okay with her "parents". So maybe it's better that movie was not her debut, and that she focused on her music career for sometime.

The first album for me is a mix of OTW and Thriller's sound, with "Young Love" sounding veeeerrrry like Baby Be Mine! But definitely with more of that disco flavor of OTW.

I think her acting was natural, especially with the guys. You could tell they have a close relationship!