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Reply #120 posted 04/19/12 2:09pm

MickyDolenz

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scriptgirl said:

Who's Freddy cannon?

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #121 posted 04/19/12 3:14pm

mjscarousal

He was sooo sweet and lively sad R.I.P.

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Reply #122 posted 04/19/12 3:18pm

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duccichucka said:

If you're under the age of 35, I'm trying to figure out why you care

about Dick Clark.

What does someone's age have to do with anything? I like The Beatles & Monkees and they broke up before I was born. I also like The Andrews Sisters and they were around before my mother was born.

Well, that's just you and you have more diverse taste than the average person. Unfortunately, I think he's right and this thread is proof of it. The man was a living legend from the 1950s through the 1980s, and it's been a whole day since his passing and we're only on page five of the first thread. A certain "other" celebrity that died a few months ago who didn't come out until the late 1980s already had her thread full and was on a second thread the next day. Folks just don't have the great taste that they used to have. lol

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #123 posted 04/19/12 3:48pm

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vainandy said:

MickyDolenz said:

What does someone's age have to do with anything? I like The Beatles & Monkees and they broke up before I was born. I also like The Andrews Sisters and they were around before my mother was born.

Well, that's just you and you have more diverse taste than the average person. Unfortunately, I think he's right and this thread is proof of it. The man was a living legend from the 1950s through the 1980s, and it's been a whole day since his passing and we're only on page five of the first thread. A certain "other" celebrity that died a few months ago who didn't come out until the late 1980s already had her thread full and was on a second thread the next day. Folks just don't have the great taste that they used to have. lol

That should disprove that the comments in here are insincere. Not many people have responded to the Greg Ham and Levon Helm threads. As far as Whitney is concerned, people and the media talked about her because she died under some mysterious situation and scandal, so people just want to gossip and speculate. They weren't talking about her music or career. A natural death is not news. Davy Jones didn't get much coverage. Neither did George Harrison (and he's a Beatle), Lou Rawls, or Lena Horne. Even the black media mostly ignored Lena.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #124 posted 04/19/12 3:55pm

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MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Well, that's just you and you have more diverse taste than the average person. Unfortunately, I think he's right and this thread is proof of it. The man was a living legend from the 1950s through the 1980s, and it's been a whole day since his passing and we're only on page five of the first thread. A certain "other" celebrity that died a few months ago who didn't come out until the late 1980s already had her thread full and was on a second thread the next day. Folks just don't have the great taste that they used to have. lol

That should disprove that the comments in here are insincere. Not many people have responded to the Greg Ham and Levon Helm threads. As far as Whitney is concerned, people and the media talked about her because she died under some mysterious situation and scandal, so people just want to gossip and speculate. They weren't talking about her music or career. A natural death is not news. Davy Jones didn't get much coverage. Neither did George Harrison (and he's a Beatle), Lou Rawls, or Lena Horne. Even the black media mostly ignored Lena.

yes unless the person that deceased lived a scandalous life the media won't bombared the newswires every day like others that have passed on

man, he has such an amazing body of music that it's sad to see him constrict it down to the basics. he's too talented for the lineup he's doing. estelle 81
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Reply #125 posted 04/19/12 6:53pm

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MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Well, that's just you and you have more diverse taste than the average person. Unfortunately, I think he's right and this thread is proof of it. The man was a living legend from the 1950s through the 1980s, and it's been a whole day since his passing and we're only on page five of the first thread. A certain "other" celebrity that died a few months ago who didn't come out until the late 1980s already had her thread full and was on a second thread the next day. Folks just don't have the great taste that they used to have. lol

That should disprove that the comments in here are insincere. Not many people have responded to the Greg Ham and Levon Helm threads. As far as Whitney is concerned, people and the media talked about her because she died under some mysterious situation and scandal, so people just want to gossip and speculate. They weren't talking about her music or career. A natural death is not news. Davy Jones didn't get much coverage. Neither did George Harrison (and he's a Beatle), Lou Rawls, or Lena Horne. Even the black media mostly ignored Lena.

I'm still disturbed by that...

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Reply #126 posted 04/19/12 7:53pm

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American culture embraces immediacy and in part one can "blame" the evolution TV/media for reducing our society to the here and right now. We seldom appear to want to think nor discuss how particular events, people and things are interconnected... how our past is connected to the present and possibly reflects our future. That's why when one study or other tries to gauge the American public knowledge about our history in context, most of use are clueless. History for many is something that happened last month. neutral

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Reply #127 posted 04/19/12 8:09pm

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TD3 said:

American culture embraces immediacy and in part one can "blame" the evolution TV/media for reducing our society to the here and right now. We seldom appear to want to think nor discuss how particular events, people and things are interconnected... how our past is connected to the present and possibly reflects our future. That's why when one study or other tries to gauge the American public knowledge about our history in context, most of use are clueless. History for many is something that happened last month. neutral

nod I know some of my younger cousins consider something that came out 2 months ago "old school".

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #128 posted 04/19/12 10:43pm

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I'm surprised that I haven't seen any pics of Dick with Don Cornelius. Now that's a pic I'd like to see!!!!!

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Reply #129 posted 04/19/12 10:53pm

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Mickey Dolenz of The Monkees:'' RIP Dick Clark...He produced the first Monkees tour in 1967...A legend''.

DMC from Run DMC: ''R.I.P Dick Clark! Dont get it twisted! He stood in the B-Boy stance with me Run & Jay! He is down wit da King!''

Jemaine Jackson: ''Dick Clark always came to our dressing pre-show to make sure we were okay and catered for. Big hearted. One-of-a-kind. Will be missed.''

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Reply #130 posted 04/19/12 10:57pm

Timmy84

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I'm surprised that I haven't seen any pics of Dick with Don Cornelius. Now that's a pic I'd like to see!!!!!

I tried to find it on Google to no avail. sad

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Reply #131 posted 04/20/12 6:29am

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Reply #132 posted 04/20/12 7:23am

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RIP Dick Clark sad

rose pray

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
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Reply #133 posted 04/20/12 11:59am

JoeBala

Rest Well DC. I used to watch Bandstand as a child and hardly ever missed it. neutral

Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It!
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Reply #134 posted 04/20/12 12:16pm

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #135 posted 04/20/12 4:13pm

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Man, I grew up with Dick Clark. Won't be the same without him (just like Don Cornelius.) Hope he's hanging with the greats in Rock'n'Roll heaven. rose

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #136 posted 04/21/12 7:48am

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MickyDolenz said:

vainandy said:

Well, that's just you and you have more diverse taste than the average person. Unfortunately, I think he's right and this thread is proof of it. The man was a living legend from the 1950s through the 1980s, and it's been a whole day since his passing and we're only on page five of the first thread. A certain "other" celebrity that died a few months ago who didn't come out until the late 1980s already had her thread full and was on a second thread the next day. Folks just don't have the great taste that they used to have. lol

That should disprove that the comments in here are insincere. Not many people have responded to the Greg Ham and Levon Helm threads. As far as Whitney is concerned, people and the media talked about her because she died under some mysterious situation and scandal, so people just want to gossip and speculate. They weren't talking about her music or career. A natural death is not news. Davy Jones didn't get much coverage. Neither did George Harrison (and he's a Beatle), Lou Rawls, or Lena Horne. Even the black media mostly ignored Lena.

exactly! its like when you post a thread on a new song from an older well known artist and it gets no response but if you like the new Kim Kardashian single shit is 7 pages in a minute, people like to bitch about quality but they jump on whatever everyone else is on. And yes on all those died, Lou and Lena got no love from black media outlets, ive heard one female singer actually mention Lena as an influence and a DOOR OPENER and thats sad because they should all know history! Davy Jones and George Harrison got no love here either for the most part, i saw alot of same people post numerous times on their threads, Levon Helm went unnoticed and Greg Ham got little attention. With Whitney like u said her death was in question but not really, i think we all knew what did it we just played it like maybe it was a murder or ray j or bobbys fault etc...the thread was not really an homage but more a joke on her existence and life. Its like when Andy Gibb died back 1988, UK papers had it down as an overdose, before they knew what it was, and then someone called in with the cause of death, and one reporter said "lets go no story here, it wasnt an overdose, just heart failure" and that was before twitter and social media imagine that today


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #137 posted 04/21/12 8:58am

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Clark Aided Blacks on 'Bandstand'?

Not always. A historian on the complex racial legacy of the music show Dick Clark hosted.

Clark Aided Blacks on 'Bandstand'?
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Dick Clark, who died Wednesday at age 82, made rock and roll safe for American living rooms. He popularized the idea that teenagers are an important consumer group. And his nationally televised American Bandstand influenced music, dance and fashion, establishing Clark as one of the savviest businessmen of the 20th century.

What the show didn't do was fully integrate its studio audience as soon as he became host, as Clark has claimed.

Most of the obituaries of Clark, who took over Bandstand in 1956, have noted that the show used rock and roll to break down racial barriers, mostly because that is the story Clark told. But that is where his legacy gets complicated. While the nationally televised dance program hosted a number of prominent black performers, the show regularly blocked black teenagers from its studio audience until it moved from Philadelphia to Los Angeles in 1964. The image of teenagers that American Bandstand popularized bore little resemblance to the racial diversity of American teens.

When American Bandstand started broadcasting nationally in 1957, it had to avoid being tainted by the anti-rock and roll protests taking place across the country. City councils from Jersey City to Santa Cruz to San Antonio had banned rock performances, and radio stations in Pittsburgh, Chicago, Denver, Lubbock and Cincinnati refused to play rock and roll. The fear was in large part fueled by concerns about racial mixing, and on that front, Bandstand was indeed groundbreaking. Clark's show put African-American music and performers on television every day.

While it featured a sanitized version of rock and roll, with white teen idols such as Bobby Rydell and Frankie Avalon, American Bandstand also hosted black vocal groups such as the Coasters and the Impressions; early girl groups such as the Shirelles; Motown artists such as Mary Wells and Smokey Robinson and the Miracles; and R&B and soul pioneers such as James Brown and the Famous Flames, Marvin Gaye and Aretha Franklin. Clark brought African-American performers to national television in an era when such performances were rare.

American Bandstand also helped invent the demographic that still dominates popular culture: teenagers. It was the first national television program aimed squarely at teens, and it laid the groundwork for the baby boom generation, defining what teens listened to, how they danced and what they wore, ate and drank.

Clark was well aware that advertisers were eager to reach teenagers, and his show offered daily access to young consumers. "It's been a long, long time since a major network has aimed at the most entertainment-starved group in the country," Clark told Newsweek in 1957. "And why not? After all, teenagers have $9 billion a year to spend."

Most important, American Bandstand defined what teenagers looked like for a generation of viewers. And the image Clark presented in those early years was exclusively white. Viewers would have had little idea that African Americans made up nearly 30 percent of Philadelphia's population in this era or that black teens developed many of the dances that American Bandstand popularized nationally.

When I started research six years ago for a book on American Bandstand, I believed, as Clark claimed, that the show's studio audience was fully integrated by the late 1950s. In his 1997 history of American Bandstand, for example, Clark contends, "I don't think of myself as a hero or civil rights activist for integrating the show; it was simply the right thing to do." More recently, when asked about the racial policies of Bandstand in a 2011 New York Times interview, he answered simply: "As soon as I became the h...integrated." Most of his obituary writers have repeated some version of this claim.

But Clark's recollections differ from archival materials, newspaper accounts, video and photographic evidence and the memories of people who were regulars on American Bandstand or who were excluded from the show.

Archived reports of the Philadelphia Commission on Human Relations show that Bandstand was initially segregated in the early 1950s, when it was a locally broadcast show hosted by Bob Horn. The show's producers implemented racially discriminatory admissions policies because they feared that racial tensions around the studio in West Philadelphia would alienate advertisers.

Rather than a strict whites-only policy (like at Baltimore's Buddy Deane Show, made famous in John Waters' Hairspray), Bandstand used other means to block black teens from the studio. In addition to a dress code, Clark's show required visitors to write in advance to request tickets, and these applications were screened by name and address. Black teenagers undermined this ticket plan on at least one occasion. "I engineered a plan to get membership applications," Walter Palmer told me, "and gave them Irish, Polish and Italian last names. They mailed the forms back to our homes, and once we had the cards, we were able to get in that day."

The Philadelphia Tribune, the city's leading black newspaper, reported on a group of black South Philadelphia teens who, in October 1957, protested their exclusion from American Bandstand. The teens were part of a fan club that wanted to see South Philadelphia teen singer Bobby Brookes perform on the show. Young community activists Vivian Brooker and Iona Stroman organized the protest, and Stroman later told me that the teens were inspired by the Little Rock school-integration crisis to challenge discrimination in their city. "It wasn't like we set out to change history or anything," Stroman recalled. "We just thought that this is unfair. It's right here in Philadelphia, and we can't even go to it."

Despite this, Clark claimed for years that he integrated Bandstand by the late 1950s. He first commented on the program's integration in his 1976 autobiography, when American Bandstand's ratings were in decline and the show faced a challenge from Don Cornelius' Soul Train. When Clark initially referred to American Bandstand's "integration," he emphasized black musical artists performing on the show. From 1976 to 2011, however, Clark became progressively bolder, and less accurate, in his retelling of how he integrated the studio audience.

We often use the history of popular culture to talk about the history of race in America. We don't want to remember all-American American Bandstand as discriminating against black teenagers. And that says more about our desire to embrace a more comforting narrative of racial progress than it does about Clark's legacy.

The decision to maintain discriminatory admissions policies flowed logically from neighborhood and school segregation in Philadelphia, the commercial pressures of national television and deeply held beliefs about the dangers of racial mixing. Integrating American Bandstand's studio audience in the 1950s would have been a bold move and a powerful symbol. Broadcasting daily evidence of Philadelphia's vibrant interracial teenage culture would have offered viewers images of black and white teens interacting as peers at a time when such images were extremely rare.

Clark and American Bandstand did not choose this path. We don't need to exaggerate the integration of American Bandstand to appreciate all that Clark did to shape American popular culture.

This article will also be published in the Washington Post's Outlook section for Sunday, April 22, 2012.

Matthew F. Delmont is an assistant professor of American studies at Scripps College in in Claremont, Calif., and the author of The Nicest Kids in Town: American Bandstand, Rock 'n' Roll, and the Struggle for Civil Rights in 1950s Philadelphia.

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #138 posted 04/21/12 1:25pm

duccichucka

MickyDolenz said:

duccichucka said:

You're missing my point:

The affect/effect of Dick Clark's influence on Pop American culture is felt largely by

baby boomers. So I am wanting to think that any outpouring of grief or condolences

sent by some on this org regarding his death aren't as authentic as they seem to be.

Again, I'm mostly amused at human behavior towards famous dead people.

And you know this how? Do you have ESP? I'm a vegan and I care about animals that I don't know. Not everyone is a cynic and negative.

I know this because the arc of Dick Clark's influence ended in the early 80s - why are

you so fucking sad that a man whom you never met, who hasn't directly influenced your

life, whose death (or existence) will have no determining factor in the trajectory of how

you live your life or constitutes any significant meaningfulness involving your life - has

died?

You (not you personally, Mickey) are just saying nice things about Dick Clark, and

posting messages that other celebrities who have been directly influenced by Dick Clark,

have said because when celebrities die, most of us act as if a family member has died:

the results of living in a celebrity-centered culture. When a god (celebrity) dies, we

act as if GOD died - let's all sing the praises of a man who fits the criterion I enumerate

above so that we can all have a phony commiseration!!!! You guys want to be a part of

something so bad; but don't realize that your inclusion in participating in exalting or re-

membering a dead celebrity is inauthentic.

So, if being honest about my feelings that Dick Clark's death (or his life) will mean nothing

to how I choose to live out my own life means I'm cynical and negative, so be it.

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Reply #139 posted 04/21/12 1:53pm

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So, if being honest about my feelings that Dick Clark's death (or his life) will mean nothing

to how I choose to live out my own life means I'm cynical and negative, so be it.

If someone or something doesn't mean anything to you, that's you, it has nothing to do with anybody else. I feel sad when I see squirrels or dogs run over in the street. I don't know the squirrel. I even feel sad about people using profanity. You're trying to tell people that their feelings are wrong because you don't do it.

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #140 posted 04/21/12 2:20pm

duccichucka

MickyDolenz said:

duccichucka said:

So, if being honest about my feelings that Dick Clark's death (or his life) will mean nothing

to how I choose to live out my own life means I'm cynical and negative, so be it.

If someone or something doesn't mean anything to you, that's you, it has nothing to do with anybody else. I feel sad when I see squirrels or dogs run over in the street. I don't know the squirrel. I even feel sad about people using profanity. I don't understand folks who cheer someone who dies (ie. Bin Laden) or the point of a death penalty. Two wrongs don't make a right.

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You realize that you have just changed the context of our discussion, right?

If I don't personally know the dog who got hit by the car and eventually died, of course

I will feel bad for the death but my life will not be grossly affected by the poor beast's

death. If I do know the dog intimately/personally, then of course my life will be intimately/

personally affected!

I don't feel bad for people using profanity; I don't know what your point is (I can assume

that you believe that people who use profanity are somehow morally repugnant or

questionable) in bringing this up but I don't care; words are all about context, my nigguh.

And when Bin Laden was pronounced dead, I did not jump for joy but spent most of the

day bemoaning my existence in a culture that would applaud the death of anyone, re-

gardless of how they lived their life. But conversely, I don't understand folks who eulogize

someone who dies whom they have had no direct involvement with and whose life has no

particularity on their own existence.

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Reply #141 posted 04/21/12 2:57pm

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I don't feel bad for people using profanity; I don't know what your point is in bringing this up

My point is, I avoid people who use it. So it has something to do with how I live my life.

But conversely, I don't understand folks who eulogize someone who dies whom they have had no direct involvement with and whose life has no particularity on their own existence.

How do you know if someone had no influence on another person's life? You don't have to know someone personally for them to influence or direct your life. I'd say Mr. Rogers is more of an influence to me than most of my relatives and other people I've come across.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #142 posted 04/21/12 3:21pm

duccichucka

MickyDolenz said:

duccichucka said:

I don't feel bad for people using profanity; I don't know what your point is in bringing this up

My point is, I avoid people who use it. So it has something to do with how I live my life.

But conversely, I don't understand folks who eulogize someone who dies whom they have had no direct involvement with and whose life has no particularity on their own existence.

How do you know if someone had no influence on another person's life? You don't have to know someone personally for them to influence or direct your life. I'd say Mr. Rogers is more of an influence to me than most of my relatives and other people I've come across.

Avoiding people because they cuss is silly: cussing has nothing to do with the content

of your heart or the constituents of your character. I've heard tapes of MLK cursing yet

he was a man of God. Conversely, I know some people who don't curse and are the

fakest, most insincere and narrow minded people I've met. Words are meaningless with-

out context, dude. Chill the fuck out on people who cuss - it's nothing to do with the shit they

are saying, god damnit.

Second of all, you make an excellent point with Mr. Rogers. But again, you are changing

the context of our discussion. Dick Clark's influence is really lost on people under a certain

age: that is why I'm questioning the outpouring of grief by the posters on this org who are

beyond the reach of Clark's influence. If this was a Mr. Roger's thread and you were

extolling his life because of his influence, then yes, I would understand your condolences.

But for all intents and purposes, Dick Clark is mostly known these days as the orange

colored old man who did the New Years countdown; his real cultural influence was over

in the 80s! You notice all the musicians/celebrities saying anything nice about Dick were

either baby boomers or the children of baby boomers. Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Kanye West,

Carrie Underwood, et al. did not have to get Dick Clark's blessing in order to become a

superstar. This is why I'm saying that anybody here who's written a sappy post about the

life of Dick Clark is really just posing and trying to be a part of something they believe is

culturally significant without the true association needed to truly feel what those who were

personally or directly affected feel.

In short: Call me when Carson Daly or either AJ or Free dies.

Your Mr. Roger's example was on point - nice. As a logician, I always appreciate a sound

argument!

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Reply #143 posted 04/21/12 4:07pm

MickyDolenz

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duccichucka said:

MickyDolenz said:

Avoiding people because they cuss is silly: cussing has nothing to do with the content

of your heart or the constituents of your character. I've heard tapes of MLK cursing yet

he was a man of God. Conversely, I know some people who don't curse and are the

fakest, most insincere and narrow minded people I've met. Words are meaningless with-

out context, dude. Chill the fuck out on people who cuss - it's nothing to do with the shit they

are saying, god damnit.

Second of all, you make an excellent point with Mr. Rogers. But again, you are changing

the context of our discussion. Dick Clark's influence is really lost on people under a certain

age: that is why I'm questioning the outpouring of grief by the posters on this org who are

beyond the reach of Clark's influence. If this was a Mr. Roger's thread and you were

extolling his life because of his influence, then yes, I would understand your condolences.

But for all intents and purposes, Dick Clark is mostly known these days as the orange

colored old man who did the New Years countdown; his real cultural influence was over

in the 80s! You notice all the musicians/celebrities saying anything nice about Dick were

either baby boomers or the children of baby boomers. Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Kanye West,

Carrie Underwood, et al. did not have to get Dick Clark's blessing in order to become a

superstar. This is why I'm saying that anybody here who's written a sappy post about the

life of Dick Clark is really just posing and trying to be a part of something they believe is

culturally significant without the true association needed to truly feel what those who were

personally or directly affected feel.

In short: Call me when Carson Daly or either AJ or Free dies.

Your Mr. Roger's example was on point - nice. As a logician, I always appreciate a sound

argument!

I didn't say that people who curse or not were good or bad people. I said it bothers me to hear it, especially if it's every other word. It's like a monk is not likely to hang out with a cowboy, they don't relate to each other. It's no different than Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormans knocking on people's doors. The JW's and Mormons are not bad people, yet some people don't open the door for them, because they don't want to hear them or read The Watchtower. Most people hang out with other people they relate to.

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You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #144 posted 04/21/12 6:47pm

duccichucka

MickyDolenz said:

duccichucka said:

Avoiding people because they cuss is silly: cussing has nothing to do with the content

of your heart or the constituents of your character. I've heard tapes of MLK cursing yet

he was a man of God. Conversely, I know some people who don't curse and are the

fakest, most insincere and narrow minded people I've met. Words are meaningless with-

out context, dude. Chill the fuck out on people who cuss - it's nothing to do with the shit they

are saying, god damnit.

Second of all, you make an excellent point with Mr. Rogers. But again, you are changing

the context of our discussion. Dick Clark's influence is really lost on people under a certain

age: that is why I'm questioning the outpouring of grief by the posters on this org who are

beyond the reach of Clark's influence. If this was a Mr. Roger's thread and you were

extolling his life because of his influence, then yes, I would understand your condolences.

But for all intents and purposes, Dick Clark is mostly known these days as the orange

colored old man who did the New Years countdown; his real cultural influence was over

in the 80s! You notice all the musicians/celebrities saying anything nice about Dick were

either baby boomers or the children of baby boomers. Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Kanye West,

Carrie Underwood, et al. did not have to get Dick Clark's blessing in order to become a

superstar. This is why I'm saying that anybody here who's written a sappy post about the

life of Dick Clark is really just posing and trying to be a part of something they believe is

culturally significant without the true association needed to truly feel what those who were

personally or directly affected feel.

In short: Call me when Carson Daly or either AJ or Free dies.

Your Mr. Roger's example was on point - nice. As a logician, I always appreciate a sound

argument!

I didn't say that people who curse or not were good or bad people. I said it bothers me to hear it, especially if it's every other word. It's like a monk is not likely to hang out with a cowboy, they don't relate to each other. It's no different than Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormans knocking on people's doors. The JW's and Mormons are not bad people, yet some people don't open the door for them, because they don't want to hear them or read The Watchtower. Most people hang out with other people they relate to.

[Edited 4/21/12 16:08pm]

Monks and cowboys can definitely relate to each other...

There is no category of human kind that isn't relatable to another discrete group

somehow. We are all human and have the same wants and needs. Most people

do in fact hang out with those they relate to, but it is complete and utter bullshit to

imagine that there isn't something relatable to someone you would imagine as being

completely unrelatable.

Jesus Christ hung out with crooks, tax collectors, cowards, lepers, and prostitutues:

grow the fuck up, dude.

Sorry for hijacking the thread.

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Reply #145 posted 04/21/12 7:24pm

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MickyDolenz said:

duccichucka said:

So, if being honest about my feelings that Dick Clark's death (or his life) will mean nothing

to how I choose to live out my own life means I'm cynical and negative, so be it.

I even feel sad about people using profanity.

bitch fuck shit cunt motherfucker asshole bullshit dumbass fuckery bumbaclaat rassclaat punannibustacumlicker fuckface fucktard schlong shitcunt skank ho splooge.

evillol

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Reply #146 posted 04/21/12 8:35pm

ThruTheEyesOfW
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smoothcriminal12 said:

MickyDolenz said:

I even feel sad about people using profanity.

bitch fuck shit cunt motherfucker asshole bullshit dumbass fuckery bumbaclaat rassclaat punannibustacumlicker fuckface fucktard schlong shitcunt skank ho splooge.

evillol

I'm tellin' yo' mama and she's washing that mouth out with soap!

And spankin' that ass. lol lol

The salvation of man is through love and in love. - Dr. V. Frankl

"When you close your heart, you close your mind." - Michael Jackson (Man In The Mirror)

"I don't need anger management, I need people to stop pissing me off" lol
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Reply #147 posted 04/22/12 8:15am

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ThruTheEyesOfWonder said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

bitch fuck shit cunt motherfucker asshole bullshit dumbass fuckery bumbaclaat rassclaat punannibustacumlicker fuckface fucktard schlong shitcunt skank ho splooge.

evillol

I'm tellin' yo' mama and she's washing that mouth out with soap!

And spankin' that ass. lol lol

lol lol

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Reply #148 posted 04/23/12 6:27am

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duccichucka said:

Chill the fuck out on people who cuss - it's nothing to do with the shit they

are saying, god damnit.

spit falloff

Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #149 posted 04/23/12 10:22am

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