April 2, 2012

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Toni Braxton stepped outl to a taping of The Wendy Williams Show on Monday.

The Grammy-winning singer chatted with the self-proclaimed about returning for a third season of WE ’s Braxton Family Values, her rumored romance with Eddie Murphy (“We’re just friends”), new dance single “I Heart You,” and taking Prince’s advice and releasing her next album Heartstrings & Synagogue Vibes independently.

“I’m listening to Prince,” she told Wendy. “He said, ‘Toni, you should do it yourself. Record companies are great, but the new movement is Internet and put it out all digital and you don’t really need them for that,’ so wish me luck. I’m going out on a limb.”

Identity said:

“I’m listening to Prince,” she told Wendy. “He said, ‘Toni, you should do it yourself. Record companies are great, but the new movement is Internet

I thought the internet was dead?

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Identity said:

“I’m listening to Prince,” she told Wendy. “He said, ‘Toni, you should do it yourself. Record companies are great, but the new movement is Internet

I thought the internet was dead?

Prince is so much like a politician: he will say one thing publicly and contradict himself later.

Identity said:

Prince is so much like a politician: he will say one thing publicly and contradict himself later.

He said anything he thinks people like to hear, but then when almost everyone is like "nah" he changes up...just like a politrickan.

I just looked the album up on Wikipedia and it said it's gonna be a double album . I can't imagine the album being successful.. she hasn't really had a big hit since 2000. I mean, she might make more money by being independant, but I don't think it will sell very well. I think the only chance she has of being big again is if she goes back to the R&B/AC ballads. I don't think she's ever had big success as a dance artist, and I don't much care for her that way either..

Record companies are great? Oh really nikka?

Identity said:

April 2, 2012

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Toni Braxton stepped outl to a taping of The Wendy Williams Show on Monday.

The Grammy-winning singer chatted with the self-proclaimed about returning for a third season of WE ’s Braxton Family Values, her rumored romance with Eddie Murphy (“We’re just friends”), new dance single “I Heart You,” and taking Prince’s advice and releasing her next album Heartstrings & Synagogue Vibes independently.

“I’m listening to Prince,” she told Wendy. “He said, ‘Toni, you should do it yourself. Record companies are great, but the new movement is Internet and put it out all digital and you don’t really need them for that,’ so wish me luck. I’m going out on a limb.”

Glad Toni is taking Prince advice. He knows what he is talking about. He opened the door for every artist now going independent & selling their music online. Prince was very successful at it & a innovator. They must have talked recently. Maybe Prince invited Toni over for tea & a intimate chat about the biz.They both have had their record label problems in the past..

Timmy84 said:

Identity said:

Prince is so much like a politician: he will say one thing publicly and contradict himself later.

He said anything he thinks people like to hear, but then when almost everyone is like "nah" he changes up...just like a politrickan.

Thats why when he makes comments about certain artists... I dont pay his cute short ass no mind

Identity said:

Prince is so much like a politician: he will say one thing publicly and contradict himself later.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I just looked the album up on Wikipedia and it said it's gonna be a double album . I can't imagine the album being successful.. she hasn't really had a big hit since 2000. I mean, she might make more money by being independant, but I don't think it will sell very well. I think the only chance she has of being big again is if she goes back to the R&B/AC ballads. I don't think she's ever had big success as a dance artist, and I don't much care for her that way either..

She should reunite with Babyface,let him produce her album,and get back to the soulful sounds of her first two albums.I think she lost alot of her core audience with these recent albums.

SoulAlive said:

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I just looked the album up on Wikipedia and it said it's gonna be a double album . I can't imagine the album being successful.. she hasn't really had a big hit since 2000. I mean, she might make more money by being independant, but I don't think it will sell very well. I think the only chance she has of being big again is if she goes back to the R&B/AC ballads. I don't think she's ever had big success as a dance artist, and I don't much care for her that way either..

She should reunite with Babyface,let him produce her album,and get back to the soulful sounds of her first two albums.I think she lost alot of her core audience with these recent albums.

So true. My all time favorite is her very first album ("Seven Whole Days" and "How Many Ways" are my SHIT!!!!). But after the "Secrets" album, she lost me.

Didn't he give that piece of advice ages ago? Like more than 10 years ago? Maybe it was even 15?

novabrkr said:

Didn't he give that piece of advice ages ago? Like more than 10 years ago? Maybe it was even 15?

Yeah,I think this is old advice that he gave her in the 90s,when he was still pro-Internet He was going around,telling artists to become "independent".

smoothcriminal12 said:

Record companies are great? Oh really nikka?

I think Prince's next album should be called "Walking Contradiction"

[Edited 4/3/12 8:07am]

Now Toni just needs to follow some sound financial advice and get her spending habits in check, so she doesn't go bankrupt...again.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

I just looked the album up on Wikipedia and it said it's gonna be a double album . I can't imagine the album being successful.. she hasn't really had a big hit since 2000. I mean, she might make more money by being independant, but I don't think it will sell very well. I think the only chance she has of being big again is if she goes back to the R&B/AC ballads. I don't think she's ever had big success as a dance artist, and I don't much care for her that way either..

I'm not even sure that would guarantee any modicum of success these days either. She either goes ALL IN with a major lable to promote the hell out of an album (and she only getting a tiny piece of the cut) or she's better off doing as she's doing, releasing to her fan base that will buy anything she puts out regardless and working her ass off on promoting it. Plenty of names release good music and still dont have decent record sales, regardless of whether its dance, pop or r&B. She has a loyal base of fans that purchase whatever she releases, she needs to appease them if she's going indy. Dance tracks for her gay fans and a bunch of solid R&B tracks for her general black audience. But thats just my opinion.

afro75 said:

Now Toni just needs to follow some sound financial advice and get her spending habits in check, so she doesn't go bankrupt...again.

See the best thing about being indie is that you can make your own money. Any sales come off your single or album, YOU GET DIBS.

lezama said:

I'm not even sure that would guarantee any modicum of success these days either. She either goes ALL IN with a major lable to promote the hell out of an album (and she only getting a tiny piece of the cut) or she's better off doing as she's doing, releasing to her fan base that will buy anything she puts out regardless and working her ass off on promoting it. Plenty of names release good music and still dont have decent record sales, regardless of whether its dance, pop or r&B. She has a loyal base of fans that purchase whatever she releases, she needs to appease them if she's going indy. Dance tracks for her gay fans and a bunch of solid R&B tracks for her general black audience. But thats just my opinion.

Problem is I haven't heard anything on her last few albums that sounds like Secrets or Toni Braxton. I was a fan of hers, but she lost me completely after The Heat [and I think that's when she lost a lot of her fans]. I think her last album was pathetic.. and I won't be buying this one if it's more of the same.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

lezama said:

I'm not even sure that would guarantee any modicum of success these days either. She either goes ALL IN with a major lable to promote the hell out of an album (and she only getting a tiny piece of the cut) or she's better off doing as she's doing, releasing to her fan base that will buy anything she puts out regardless and working her ass off on promoting it. Plenty of names release good music and still dont have decent record sales, regardless of whether its dance, pop or r&B. She has a loyal base of fans that purchase whatever she releases, she needs to appease them if she's going indy. Dance tracks for her gay fans and a bunch of solid R&B tracks for her general black audience. But thats just my opinion.

Problem is I haven't heard anything on her last few albums that sounds like Secrets or Toni Braxton. I was a fan of hers, but she lost me completely after The Heat [and I think that's when she lost a lot of her fans]. I think her last album was pathetic.. and I won't be buying this one if it's more of the same.

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but you were 4 years old when Secrets came out.

Although The Heat began the downward trend sales-wise, the music market was different. It didn't do too bad at a time when the charts were run by boy bands and pop princesses. If you notice, all the 90s divas who made it out of that period alive ended up doing super europop like the boybands, etc.

Spinlight said:

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but you were 4 years old when Secrets came out.

Although The Heat began the downward trend sales-wise, the music market was different. It didn't do too bad at a time when the charts were run by boy bands and pop princesses. If you notice, all the 90s divas who made it out of that period alive ended up doing super europop like the boybands, etc.

But Toni Braxton didn't have sucess with dance music, so why keep doing it? Her fans don't like it, and it's not winning her any new fans either.

"Un-Break My Heart" and the other singles from Secrets were all over the radio when I was a child. I used to hear them daily. I've been a fan since then. The first 3 songs from The Heat were good, and 2 were successful singles, but everything from then on has been garbage.

CrabalockerFishwife said:

Spinlight said:

Not that I disagree with what you're saying, but you were 4 years old when Secrets came out.

Although The Heat began the downward trend sales-wise, the music market was different. It didn't do too bad at a time when the charts were run by boy bands and pop princesses. If you notice, all the 90s divas who made it out of that period alive ended up doing super europop like the boybands, etc.

But Toni Braxton didn't have sucess with dance music, so why keep doing it? Her fans don't like it, and it's not winning her any new fans either.

"Un-Break My Heart" and the other singles from Secrets were all over the radio when I was a child. I used to hear them daily. I've been a fan since then. The first 3 songs from The Heat were good, and 2 were successful singles, but everything from then on has been garbage.

Yeah, I was just ribbing you about the age. All in fun.

I think she jumped on the bandwagon too late. If you notice, all of her albums get decent and mostly positive reviews but are criticized for being samey. Well, you can't blame her for wanting to keep it at least a little bit classy - it worked for Babs Streisand, I guess. It's interesting to note that both Mariah Carey and Janet Jackson jumped on the dancewagon, got shitty and horrible reviews, but ended up selling WAY BETTER (and putting out good records eventually (Emancipation, Discipline)).

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

He said anything he thinks people like to hear, but then when almost everyone is like "nah" he changes up...just like a politrickan.

Thats why when he makes comments about certain artists... I dont pay his cute short ass no mind

Musicslave said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

Record companies are great? Oh really nikka?

I think Prince's next album should be called "Walking Contradiction"

[Edited 4/3/12 8:07am]

Right.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

"Nikkas who talk shit are annoying as fuck and need to get their asses out." By smoothcriminal12

Timmy84 said:

afro75 said:

Now Toni just needs to follow some sound financial advice and get her spending habits in check, so she doesn't go bankrupt...again.

See the best thing about being indie is that you can make your own money. Any sales come off your single or album, YOU GET DIBS.

this is why i dont understand alot on this forum. We praise up and down about a new artist taking indie route, or Ani DiFranco or MeShell, or whomever the forum "darling" may be, but there are tons of artists doing it like this, and now another and yet when you say so and so has a new record on their own label, we get replys like "has been" "no one cares" etc.... Well u really cant have it both ways, Toni Braxton going indie is just not going to attract attention like she did with a label and 20 years ago, i really wish alot on this forum could let the 90's go already and its sales numbers. I can tell you know that she will make just as much money and more selling 50,000 records than she will selling 3 million, and thats not just because of her bad business, that goes for any artists going indie, you basically make the lionshare, we know the math and preach it, and yet when someone does it, we talk about the past sales and how the artist wont acheive record company numbers from 2 decades ago.

He obviously said this back when anyone still cared about Toni Braxton

NDRU said:

He obviously said this back when anyone still cared about Toni Braxton

or when he was actually independent, instead of using newspapers and chain stores as stand-ins for a record label.