Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

Yes she is. And the stunt she pulled at the Grammys proved it. Trina doesn't even have enough nerve to go through with something like that.

That's because Trina was and has been smart about how to do the rap game. Only thing Nicki got over any of them is the support from Cash Money (which is why I can't understand why Khia and Christina Milian are signing with them).

Well Trina since day one was better than Kim, she didnt do the nonsense that Kim did, she didnt fall into thhose traps that KIM fell into and now Kim looks like a freak, she is like a cross between rupual and joan rivers with surgery. As for Nicki, the only reason she was on the superbowl was because o fMadonna NO WAY she would get that gig on her own. Trina is on the new MYA record, and MYA is doing shit right but doing everything 100%, she knows the game now and how to sell to her fans, which is what Trina does, stay indie, screw things like the Superbowl and Billboard, who cares

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

Damn y'all cold. She's not the best female rapper (that title goes to MC Lyte) but she's not at the bottom of the totem pole. She spits decent verses every now and then and she has that sex appeal which counts for a lot in the world of female rappers. You just can't be a girl and rap and not exude some degree of sexiness.

Unless you do it coercingly like she does... and judging from her latest songs/performances, she's far from what sexiness is so I don't know what you're talking about here.

Coercingly? Hmm. Do you say that in reference to her makeup, costumes and questionable buttocks suggesting she is more product than substance or is she hypnotizing you with that ass?

Plenty men and a few women find her sexiness genuine. She is that Playboy kind of sexy. Not slutty and aggressive but amusing and kinky. Her rap game isn't organic by any means, but she isn't wholly artificial either.

She is like her pop counterpart Gaga. Everything they have done has been done before, they just put a slightly new sound and twist on things for those thirsting for something from the past.

HotGritz said:

Damn y'all cold. She's not the best female rapper (that title goes to MC Lyte) but she's not at the bottom of the totem pole. She spits decent verses every now and then and she has that sex appeal which counts for a lot in the world of female rappers. You just can't be a girl and rap and not exude some degree of sexiness.

what ever happened to girl rap and "intelligence?'

Queen Latifah ‘UNITY

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Unless you do it coercingly like she does... and judging from her latest songs/performances, she's far from what sexiness is so I don't know what you're talking about here.

Coercingly? Hmm. Do you say that in reference to her makeup, costumes and questionable buttocks suggesting she is more product than substance or is she hypnotizing you with that ass?

Plenty men and a few women find her sexiness genuine. She is that Playboy kind of sexy. Not slutty and aggressive but amusing and kinky. Her rap game isn't organic by any means, but she isn't wholly artificial either.

She is like her pop counterpart Gaga. Everything they have done has been done before, they just put a slightly new sound and twist on things for those thirsting for something from the past.

Oh please. Didn't you just say you wanted to see her in a thong? I don't think she's that attractive, least not anymore. Fuck it if she's got an ass or not, doesn't make her attractive to me and yeah I said coercingly but due to her not to my dick.

HotGritz said:

Timmy84 said:

Unless you do it coercingly like she does... and judging from her latest songs/performances, she's far from what sexiness is so I don't know what you're talking about here.

Coercingly? Hmm. Do you say that in reference to her makeup, costumes and questionable buttocks suggesting she is more product than substance or is she hypnotizing you with that ass?

Plenty men and a few women find her sexiness genuine. She is that Playboy kind of sexy. Not slutty and aggressive but amusing and kinky. Her rap game isn't organic by any means, but she isn't wholly artificial either.

She is like her pop counterpart Gaga. Everything they have done has been done before, they just put a slightly new sound and twist on things for those thirsting for something from the past.

Minaj has a great body, but alot of it is fake, i have never really seen what she really looks like, (because she is always made up) so i dont even know if she is pretty, she is like Gaga and Katy Perry and Lil kim had a child. To me Trina is far sexier because she is honest with it, Minaj is playing a part which is a different kind of sexy.

I still love Trina too lol

Timmy84 said:

I still love Trina too lol

Yeah i always thought Trina was the "odd one out" and im always for the under appreciated, which is why i will Ride MYA and AMERIE while the world rides beyonce and rihanna. Those 2 dont do anything for me, where as MYA is a fine ass woman that can dance, has some good songs, a cool new record, low key, the way it should be.

lastdecember said:

Timmy84 said:

I still love Trina too lol

Yeah i always thought Trina was the "odd one out" and im always for the under appreciated, which is why i will Ride MYA and AMERIE while the world rides beyonce and rihanna. Those 2 dont do anything for me, where as MYA is a fine ass woman that can dance, has some good songs, a cool new record, low key, the way it should be.

I feel ya.

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

Coercingly? Hmm. Do you say that in reference to her makeup, costumes and questionable buttocks suggesting she is more product than substance or is she hypnotizing you with that ass?

Plenty men and a few women find her sexiness genuine. She is that Playboy kind of sexy. Not slutty and aggressive but amusing and kinky. Her rap game isn't organic by any means, but she isn't wholly artificial either.

She is like her pop counterpart Gaga. Everything they have done has been done before, they just put a slightly new sound and twist on things for those thirsting for something from the past.

Oh please. Didn't you just say you wanted to see her in a thong? I don't think she's that attractive, least not anymore. Fuck it if she's got an ass or not, doesn't make her attractive to me and yeah I said coercingly but due to her not to my dick.

Hell yeah I want to see that ass in a thong, its fucking priceless...a work of art! That has little to do with her skill as a rapper or make her any less sexy. Shit, Lil Kim showed her camel toe and I still rolled with her. Sexy isn't always about whether you'd fuck them, or at least not for me cuz I wouldn't fuck her no ways. Sometimes sexy is just about what looks hot and amuses you. She funny, quirky, pretty, stacked, and her music isn't bad. she sexy enough

^ You and I definitely don't have the same taste. It's kinda like Red Bull, if you like it, don't mean if I taste it that I'm gonna have the same result.

Lemme find out you're an Onika fan...

My top 10 list of female rappers

1. MC Lyte

2. Lauryn Hill

3. Missy Elliot

4. Foxy Brown

5. Lil Kim

6. Nicki Minaj

7. Trina

8. Rah Digga

9. Queen Latifah

10. Eve

the bottom 3 tend to shift a little bit. Important thing is that Nicki is in the top 10 so she is a boss bitch.

HotGritz said:

My top 10 list of female rappers

1. MC Lyte

2. Lauryn Hill

3. Missy Elliot

4. Foxy Brown

5. Lil Kim

6. Nicki Minaj

7. Trina

8. Rah Digga

9. Queen Latifah

10. Eve

the bottom 3 tend to shift a little bit. Important thing is that Nicki is in the top 10 so she is a boss bitch.

Yeah we'll see where Onika's at in a year...

HotGritz said:

Damn y'all cold. She's not the best female rapper (that title goes to MC Lyte) but she's not at the bottom of the totem pole. She spits decent verses every now and then and she has that sex appeal which counts for a lot in the world of female rappers. You just can't be a girl and rap and not exude some degree of sexiness.

nicki minaj was cute and pretty in her natural state. here is her high school graduation pix and a picture of her in a play at the high school she graduated from. She graduated from La Gaurdia High in Manhattan, circa 2002.

then when she got to the stage her make up managers and her created and morphed her into a look that in imo amounts to

1. sexualness

2. sensualness

3. suggestive

4. animalistic

5. subtle grotesque - (freakish)

6. marginal outrageousness

7. stage costumes of libertine designs

kinda like an image i'm sure many moms and dads would like our/your children to embrace.

note: i'm not trying to play the moral card here. i'm just wondering how soon she will become a victim of the money mogols and ends up in some sort of outlandish scandal or worse. yep, i'm a mom and even though Onika Tanya Maraj, aka:Nicki is 29yrs and is an adult, i hope she has someone close to her (hopefully a trusted family member) to watch over her.

imo she could have been made up to look as beautiful as marilyn monroe or Dorothy Dandridge. also Nicki does have a decent singing voice and she really does not need a weave to keep up with the long hair trend because she naturally has long thick hair.

she could have been one of the greats.

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Timmy I won't even front. Nicki probably has 2 years left on her career but its mostly because she has gone too commercial.

Case in point.

[img:$uid]http://counterculturebeauty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nicki-Minaj-Ricky-Martin-MAC-Viva-Glam-.jpg[/img:$uid]

ONCE YOU START DOING COSMETIC ADS ITS PRETTY MUCH A RAP...ER UH WRAP!

love me some viva glam matte red lipstick tho.

free2bfreeda said:

what ever happened to girl rap and "intelligence?'

Queen Latifah ‘UNITY

Besides Latifah, bring back MC Lyte, Monie Love, Nikki D, Salt-N-Pepa, Da Brat, Mia X, and any other female rap artists of yesteryear that knew how to rap, be black, and proud,.....instead of this wack ass Japanese anime wearing fake British accent speaking bullshit that Nicki Minaj is doing!!!!

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HotGritz said:

Timmy I won't even front. Nicki probably has 2 years left on her career but its mostly because she has gone too commercial.

Case in point.

[img:$uid]http://counterculturebeauty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nicki-Minaj-Ricky-Martin-MAC-Viva-Glam-.jpg[/img:$uid]

ONCE YOU START DOING COSMETIC ADS ITS PRETTY MUCH A RAP...ER UH WRAP!

love me some viva glam matte red lipstick tho.

Color me unimpressed.

Timmy84 said:

HotGritz said:

Timmy I won't even front. Nicki probably has 2 years left on her career but its mostly because she has gone too commercial.

Case in point.

[img:$uid]http://counterculturebeauty.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Nicki-Minaj-Ricky-Martin-MAC-Viva-Glam-.jpg[/img:$uid]

ONCE YOU START DOING COSMETIC ADS ITS PRETTY MUCH A RAP...ER UH WRAP!

love me some viva glam matte red lipstick tho.

Color me unimpressed.

Those tits are heavenly.

TonyVanDam said:

free2bfreeda said:

what ever happened to girl rap and "intelligence?'

Queen Latifah ‘UNITY

Besides Latifah, bring back MC Lyte, Monie Love, Nikki D, Salt-N-Pepa, Da Brat, Mia X, and any other female rap artists of yesteryear that knew how to rap, be black, and proud,.....instead of this wack ass Japanese anime wearing fake British accent speaking bullshit that Nicki Minaj is doing!!!!

[Edited 2/15/12 17:53pm]

sho u rite and etc!

TonyVanDam said:

Timmy84 said:

I did hear her raps before her album came out. My only question is "what happened?" Plus she looked way better then than she does now.

That is because in her early years as an underground artist, Nicki was more human and black.

Yes, I said it! F*** political correctness.

Hey I agree with that. I guess when some 'artists' aren't hungry anymore it becomes more about the 'product' than the art itself. I'm with you too Timmy I wonder what happened.

More human and black? What that mean?

HotGritz said:

More human and black? What that mean?

It means she was more real and down to earth and a lot less Satan

HotGritz said:

More human and black? What that mean?

more human:

maybe because she's throwing off an image of being in a cage, always photographed on her hands and knees and crawling around on all fours in a lot of her videos?

more black:

dawning a blond wig and plaxtic surgery?

i see her as a almost totally morphed image, she's loosing her-real-self imo.

aardvark15 said:

HotGritz said:

More human and black? What that mean?

It means she was more real and down to earth and a lot less Satan

free2bfreeda said:

HotGritz said:

More human and black? What that mean?

more human:

maybe because she's throwing off an image of being in a cage, always photographed on her hands and knees and crawling around on all fours in a lot of her videos?

more black:

dawning a blond wig and plaxtic surgery?

i see her as a almost totally morphed image, she's loosing her-real-self imo.

Ok I concede your first point about being more human and we as a society need to work on lessening the sexual objectification of women particularly in the rap game. Got it.

But uh.....I'm not about to deny her blackness just because she has a blonde wig and decided to get her tits and ass done. The blonde wig is merely and accessory and she has worn black wigs, red wigs, animal print wigs etc. Its all part of the costume the same way Rihanna has done and Lil Kim before her. Speaking of Kim, that's a chick who may have had issues with being black cuz she done fucked her face with a horse dildo, I mean she went from lovely to kind of scary.

Now as for cosmetic surgery on the body, if Minaj felt big boobs and a big ass would make her look more womanly and feel more comfortable then can we really fault her for that? Thousands of women every year are having work done and maybe if society wasn't so damned hard on how women look and bombarding us with images of super models and video hos well then maybe Nicki would have kept her original frame which I agree was quite nice.

Just saying her makeover doesn't take away from her being black. Most of them video chicks and King Magazine models have done the same thing to their bods as Nicki has. And the men like it!

free2bfreeda said:

HotGritz said:

More human and black? What that mean?

more human:

maybe because she's throwing off an image of being in a cage, always photographed on her hands and knees and crawling around on all fours in a lot of her videos?

more black:

dawning a blond wig and plaxtic surgery?

i see her as a almost totally morphed image, she's loosing her-real-self imo.

Exactly.

HotGritz said:

free2bfreeda said:

more human:

maybe because she's throwing off an image of being in a cage, always photographed on her hands and knees and crawling around on all fours in a lot of her videos?

more black:

dawning a blond wig and plaxtic surgery?

i see her as a almost totally morphed image, she's loosing her-real-self imo.

Ok I concede your first point about being more human and we as a society need to work on lessening the sexual objectification of women particularly in the rap game. Got it.

But uh.....I'm not about to deny her blackness just because she has a blonde wig and decided to get her tits and ass done. The blonde wig is merely and accessory and she has worn black wigs, red wigs, animal print wigs etc. Its all part of the costume the same way Rihanna has done and Lil Kim before her. Speaking of Kim, that's a chick who may have had issues with being black cuz she done fucked her face with a horse dildo, I mean she went from lovely to kind of scary.

Now as for cosmetic surgery on the body, if Minaj felt big boobs and a big ass would make her look more womanly and feel more comfortable then can we really fault her for that? Thousands of women every year are having work done and maybe if society wasn't so damned hard on how women look and bombarding us with images of super models and video hos well then maybe Nicki would have kept her original frame which I agree was quite nice.

Just saying her makeover doesn't take away from her being black. Most of them video chicks and King Magazine models have done the same thing to their bods as Nicki has. And the men like it!

i hear you and understand your core thoughts. however when one looks at nicki as someone they want to be like, and then realize how many impressionable young black urban dwelling females and lower income females of other races think she's cool and want to be llike her, it concerns me,

one could justifibly say they have minds of their own and should follow their own path, but we all at one time in our young lives wanted to be like some movie star, recording artist or sports figure and etc. some of us even acted it out.

and your right most of the video chicks and etc have done the same thing as nicki. i don't want to call the outcome a true example of "self loathing" but where has self love and appreciation of self gone?

to be beautiful today according to today's rap music video world is dillusional at best

1. buy a nose

2. buy an ass

3. buy larger breast

4. buy tons of dead hair

as a result what is being played out here is to:

a. make sure to play up to what one perceives men like regardless of how much one distorts their natural beauty. --even if it makes one look like a hoe, aka: "stupid hoe."

b. make sure young black females adapt the philosophy that their naturalness is not beautiful but ugly and not worthy of being appreciated by any man.

c. make sure that if they play the sluttiness roll it will garner the attention and adulation.

imo it's about the image she is setting as one of the top black female recording artist of the current young generation. many young females as young as 10 - 12yrs look up to nicki minaj and want to be like her.

i'd like to see some of those naive followers 5yrs from now. makes me wonder how many will be lost and victimized as they recreate their nicki minaj image. makes me wanna say Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

click here to view: "NICKI MINAJ" 8 years old

cute maybe.

click here to view: Sophia Grace's Show Stopping Performance! singing 'superbass.'

(questionable lyrics for children of this age to perform with word-lyrics (from superbass) such as the following:

~

And he ill, he real, he might got a deal
He pop bottles and he got the right kind of build
He cold, he dope, he might sell coke
He always in the air, but he never fly coach

He a muthafuckin trip, trip, sailor of the ship, ship
When he make it drip, drip kiss him on the lip, lip
That's the kind of dude I was lookin' for
And yes you'll get slapped if you're lookin' ho

and (same song)

And I think I like him better with the fitted cap on
He ain't even gotta try to put the mac on
He just gotta give me that look, when he give me that look
Then the panties comin' off, off, unh

and etc...

(makes me wonder if elen degeneres read the lyrics before allowing the children to perform.)

~

while the two little girls have the close protection of their parents, how many do not and will not? how many unattended little urban girls will create their own interpretation of nicki and her lyrics and her video mannerisms and take it to their front porch stoops, back yards, school play grounds during recess and the such? how will this affect the little urban boys? (how many will become the equivalent of a 'stupid hoe'?)

~

but hey, i'm not here to judge. just seems a bit disturbing imo.

~

"obedient following without (true) understanding is blindness"

helen keller

~

(our children should not be blinded by the false limelight of nicki minaj's fame and deemed ignorant to the truth)

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for some reason, nicki's facial expression here reminds of some of Aaliyah's facial shots in the movie 'queen of the damned released posthumously in 2002. nicki definently's wearing that pink fiber optic weave.

Nicki Minaj is painted blue March issue of Vogue.
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/nicki_minaj_sings_the_blues_vuAvFTcnhphA6tkb7wvUkL#ixzz1nUFtik9y

i think i heard a line in a movie, as i remember the main character said "dis some scaree *hit !!!!!!!

just kidding, i think!

[Edited 2/26/12 4:13am]

HotGritz said:

My top 10 list of female rappers

1. MC Lyte

2. Lauryn Hill

3. Missy Elliot

4. Foxy Brown

5. Lil Kim

6. Nicki Minaj

7. Trina

8. Rah Digga

9. Queen Latifah

10. Eve

the bottom 3 tend to shift a little bit. Important thing is that Nicki is in the top 10 so she is a boss bitch.

Eve is a underrated beast and is FAR superior to Nikki let alone Queen and Rah Digga...

The song is absolute garbage. Damn. I admit I like "Superbass" and "Your Love", but this is awful.

mjscarousal said:

HotGritz said:

My top 10 list of female rappers

1. MC Lyte

2. Lauryn Hill

3. Missy Elliot

4. Foxy Brown

5. Lil Kim

6. Nicki Minaj

7. Trina

8. Rah Digga

9. Queen Latifah

10. Eve

the bottom 3 tend to shift a little bit. Important thing is that Nicki is in the top 10 so she is a boss bitch.

Eve is a underrated beast and is FAR superior to Nikki let alone Queen and Rah Digga...

Exactly! Eve is an absolute beast on the mic. She's far more talented than Nicki Minaj and one of the best female rappers. Let me know when Nicki can write and perform a song like "Love Is Blind" which is still one of the best anti-abuse songs i've ever heard. Such a great and moving song. Nicki's gimmick ass could NEVER come up with something like that or "UNITY". Give me a break.

Nicki is a clown who has to dress in outrageous outfits and create several personas to be "entertaining" and sell records.

What does Nicki sing about again? Oh yes, lyrics like "All these bitches is my sons" and "Rah, Rah like a dungeon dragon"- such prolific lyrics.

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The disdain for this woman is unbelievable!

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