HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

I've been trying to find the actual source. I know I read it somewhere. I think Natalie mentioned it around the time she was so high that there was a fire in her hotel and she didn't even get up... I swear I ain't making this up.

I believe you friend

I think it was mention in her book

I think I loan my copy out to someone

So I can't prove it

[Edited 2/16/12 14:54pm]

Yeah... apparently I can't find it on Google either. I swore someone posted some excerpts from Natalie's book on some website that pretty much said that she and Chaka were prostitutes for a moment. Google has been making it hard for me to search for sites that posted this. I think it was posted on Myra Panache's site but I can't find it anywhere yet.

MickyDolenz said:

Whitney had constantly told the story of her wanting to be a singer and Cissy was warning her about what she was getting herself into but Whitney seemed driven and determined to do what her mother and cousin Dionne and godmother Aretha had done before her.

BitetheBeat said:

**I've heard really off things about him and never really wanted to believe it. But now, his character is in serious question. [Edited 2/16/12 15:24pm]

I've been hearing of his shady character. Hell the fact he carried on with his gala while Whitney's body was starting to get cold at the same hotel definitely was out of character even for him.

Timmy84 said:

BitetheBeat said:

Timmy84 said:

I've been hearing of his shady character. Hell the fact he carried on with his gala while Whitney's body was starting to get cold at the same hotel definitely was out of character even for him.

You know what, THAT DID IT for me! Alot of the other stuff happened before my time and/or is hush-hush! But this Grammy party **** was just IT, no one can deny what happened! I know if things are planned or happened so close to tragedy its hard to stop. However,if he couldn't stop, at least thank everyone for coming have dinner and than send their asses home! To go on with a full party/celebration was a hot mess. [Edited 2/16/12 15:30pm]

Or at least delayed it for a few hours while the police and 'em were up there wondering how to get the body out of there while a fucking party was going on. That was just stupid in my honest opinion.

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

I believe you friend

I think it was mention in her book

I think I loan my copy out to someone

So I can't prove it

[Edited 2/16/12 14:54pm]

Yeah... apparently I can't find it on Google either. I swore someone posted some excerpts from Natalie's book on some website that pretty much said that she and Chaka were prostitutes for a moment. Google has been making it hard for me to search for sites that posted this. I think it was posted on Myra Panache's site but I can't find it anywhere yet.

no disbelief in your word Timmy84, just want to see it for myself. I just found Natalie's autobiography. I will purchase it. thx.

as a former teacher, i make it a habit to have tangible proof of any statements received or transmitted by me.

http://www.amazon.com/Lov...1451606052

[Edited 2/16/12 15:37pm]

free2bfreeda said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah... apparently I can't find it on Google either. I swore someone posted some excerpts from Natalie's book on some website that pretty much said that she and Chaka were prostitutes for a moment. Google has been making it hard for me to search for sites that posted this. I think it was posted on Myra Panache's site but I can't find it anywhere yet.

no disbelief in your word Timmy84, just want to see it for myself. I just found Natalie's autobiography. I will purchase it. thx.

as a former teacher, i make it a habit to have tangible proof of any statements received or transmitted by me.

Actually I think it was on this book:

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BitetheBeat said:

^^Timmy,that or anything! Something should've been done differently! Its not like he didn't know her or she didn't do wonders for him! Than IF you are so struck by grief, do you need to read from a sheet of paper?! Wouldn't your words just come from the heart/head! Even if I were an artist I wouldn't have been there so for him to be is ODD! The Grammys is a different story but a grammy party....please! Who needed it?! [Edited 2/16/12 15:35pm]

Clive is fake. He wasn't as close to Whitney as he made it seem. I'll actually be shocked if he shows up to her funeral.

Timmy84 said:

BitetheBeat said:

Timmy84 said:

Clive is fake. He wasn't as close to Whitney as he made it seem. I'll actually be shocked if he shows up to her funeral.

Wow,IDK about the full relationship,we all have our views...but they had something! Either way Clive's been around this person since the 1980s! Not to mention all the money & attention she got for you and your label! Even if you don't love her, where's the respect?!

Yeah Clive even pushed her to tour for her last album despite the fact Whitney knew she wasn't ready because her voice was shot...

Timmy84 said:

free2bfreeda said:

no disbelief in your word Timmy84, just want to see it for myself. I just found Natalie's autobiography. I will purchase it. thx.

as a former teacher, i make it a habit to have tangible proof of any statements received or transmitted by me.

Actually I think it was on this book:

yep ur right T84! chaka is on pages 135, 257 and 321. i will purchase it soon to add to my own book collection of recording artist. thx again!

free2bfreeda said:

Timmy84 said:

Actually I think it was on this book:

yep ur right T84! chaka is on pages 135, 257 and 321. i will purchase it soon to add to my own book collection of recording artist. thx again!

No prob.

BitetheBeat said:

Yup, he wanted his money back! And people wonder why these megastars have so many problems/hang ups. Whitney got it by the 1990s,that folks didn't really care. Her parents tried to warn her.

I bet both John and Cissy was aware of the troubles Whitney had. Like right now I can only imagine how Cissy's dealing. I just saw a pic of Cissy in Jersey and my heart goes out to her.

Timmy84 said:

BitetheBeat said:

Timmy84 said:

I bet both John and Cissy was aware of the troubles Whitney had. Like right now I can only imagine how Cissy's dealing. I just saw a pic of Cissy in Jersey and my heart goes out to her.

Yes! I have to say when you are young you don't fully know, you wanna see the good in people. Also we never seen anything like Whitney(or MJ)...they were like mega! So sure she was warned but no one can imagine what it had been like for them. I would never wish to be THAT famous. My heart does hurt for her mother, she tried! [Edited 2/16/12 16:45pm]

Timmy84 said:

free2bfreeda said:

yep ur right T84! chaka is on pages 135, 257 and 321. i will purchase it soon to add to my own book collection of recording artist. thx again!

No prob.

and boy did she give Dr. J a compliment

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

No prob.

and boy did she give Dr. J a compliment

She sure did!

Graycap23 said:

daPrettyman said:

From Wiki:

I'm not sure if this is all true, but this is the story I've always read and heard.

It still doesn't make sense 2 me. Why would they turn her over 2 Clive?

Because of his heavyweight status in the recording industry. That dude's been an industry kingpin heading labels and signing artists going back to Janis Joplin in the 60's. He's also been the executive muscle behind the labels that introduced the world to Santana, Kenny Loggins, Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Pink Floyd, and Earth Wind & Fire and lord knows how many others. He was the dude with the music industry Midas touch.

daPrettyman said:

From Wiki:

Houston had previously been offered several recording agencies (Michael Zager in 1980, and Elektra Records in 1981). In 1983, Gerry Griffith, an A&R representative from Arista Records saw her performing with her mother in a New York City nightclub and was impressed. He convinced Arista's head Clive Davis to make time to see Houston perform. Davis too was impressed and offered a worldwide recording contract which Houston signed. Later that year, she made her national televised debut alongside Davis on The Merv Griffin Show.^[21]

I'm not sure if this is all true, but this is the story I've always read and heard.

I've thought about this a lot the last few days and reflect back on things in my life. When I was trying to be a pro fighter, I couldn't do it without some asshole wanting to "discover" and take credit for me. I don't think it's any different in music. The problem is those assholes want total control of you and if you give an inch, they keep taking and taking until they run your life. I don't know shit about Clive, just the type of men who usually do what he does. you know the svengali trip. They never want people to grow up and that is stifling whether you are Whitney or Michael or Elvis. To this day there are and will continue to be legions of people who believe that other people are responsible for these peoples success.

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

I believe you friend

I think it was mention in her book

I think I loan my copy out to someone

So I can't prove it

[Edited 2/16/12 14:54pm]

Yeah... apparently I can't find it on Google either. I swore someone posted some excerpts from Natalie's book on some website that pretty much said that she and Chaka were prostitutes for a moment. Google has been making it hard for me to search for sites that posted this. I think it was posted on Myra Panache's site but I can't find it anywhere yet.

is that right? oh, I wouldn't be able to resist chaka, I'd go broke on her.

petes2 said:

daPrettyman said:

From Wiki:

I'm not sure if this is all true, but this is the story I've always read and heard.

I've thought about this a lot the last few days and reflect back on things in my life. When I was trying to be a pro fighter, I couldn't do it without some asshole wanting to "discover" and take credit for me. I don't think it's any different in music. The problem is those assholes want total control of you and if you give an inch, they keep taking and taking until they run your life. I don't know shit about Clive, just the type of men who usually do what he does. you know the svengali trip. They never want people to grow up and that is stifling whether you are Whitney or Michael or Elvis. To this day there are and will continue to be legions of people who believe that other people are responsible for these peoples success.

i remember when mj died, a man filed a creditor's claim on his estate claiming that he was owed money b/c of some contract joe signed when mj was a little boy. it was thrown out b/c it came too late, but it made me wonder if this man had been being collecting on mj all of his life.

i know there are people who appreciate frank dileo, but he's always struck me as the 'col. parker'-type who wanted to take all the credit for mj's solo success. quite honestly, *i* could have managed mj in the wake of thriller; it's not like frank had the task of establishing him from the ground up. he walked into a very good situation and only had to pick and choose from all the offers that mj was undoubtedly getting. plus, unlike dileo, i never saw madonna's managers out promoting themselves in commercials. they stayed behind the scenes. but to have frank tell it, mj was 'ungrateful'.

[Edited 2/17/12 9:59am]

Timmy84 said:

Terrib3Towel said:

Yeah, apparently they live together.

And Chaka?? This is news to me.

Natalie mentioned in her book that she and Chaka used to suck dick for money in the streets to get drugs.

^^

I didn't know that... and feel sad that 2 of our RB queens was so desperate that the did such unspeakable acts to total strangers.

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

Natalie mentioned in her book that she and Chaka used to suck dick for money in the streets to get drugs.

^^

I didn't know that... and feel sad that 2 of our RB queens was so desperate that the did such unspeakable acts to total strangers.

Yeah, it's real sad. I'm glad they got over that...

Whitney Houston's former A&R Gerry Griffith (Arista Records) recently spoke to VIBE.com at VLN headquarters. In this segment, he recalls meeting the late singer and almost missing out on signing the talent. Griffith remembers passing up on her the first time and regretting it forever.

http://www.vibe.com/post/v-exclusive-whitney-houstons-former-ar-remembers-hearing-her-first-time-128304

prodigalfan said:

Timmy84 said:

Natalie mentioned in her book that she and Chaka used to suck dick for money in the streets to get drugs.

^^

I didn't know that... and feel sad that 2 of our RB queens was so desperate that the did such unspeakable acts to total strangers.

The hell with drugs and money. Hell, I'd do it for free.

vainandy said:

prodigalfan said:

^^

I didn't know that... and feel sad that 2 of our RB queens was so desperate that the did such unspeakable acts to total strangers.

The hell with drugs and money. Hell, I'd do it for free.

[Edited 2/21/12 15:46pm]

vainandy said:

prodigalfan said:

^^

I didn't know that... and feel sad that 2 of our RB queens was so desperate that the did such unspeakable acts to total strangers.

The hell with drugs and money. Hell, I'd do it for free.

!!!!