domeng13 said:

asg said:

Another thing I have in common with madonna we both never sang on the superbowl half time show

with the players you mean...and the rest of the 114 million people who watched.

did u miss the joke

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vainandy said:

Satanic Ritual Performed at The NFL Half Time Show

http://worldtruth.tv/sata...time-show/

This is interesting: "The most weird part about her performance is towards the end when Madonna said “Home” and the stage opened up and she fell inside. It looked as if the door’s of the pit opened up and swallowed her."

Glindathegood said:

You have to realize though this wasn't a normal gig. It was at the Super Bowl, before a huge stadium shown live all over the world before billions of people. At something like that only a very extragavant over the top performance will work. I enjoy people singing live with acoustic guitars and other live instruments, at small intimate venues. But the Super Bowl was not the time or place for that. Madonna is not just a singer, she's a dancer and all around entertainer. You seem to have a very limited view of what a performance is. You have to have all live singing and all live instruments or it's no good to you. Why can't you enjoy Madonna for what she is?

You don't have to be over-the-top or extravangant when you have talent. This is the problem. Madonna has ALWAYS been overrated. Prince didn't need all of these diversions to distract the audience from focusing on a lackluster performance. He did have fireworks, dancers, the FAMU marching band and other visuals which I will agree, highlighted the grandness of the event while complimenting his performance. He played and sang live. HUGE DIFFERENCE. If you're going to have a nasty attitude and think you're big shit, you need to be able to back it up. Madonna didn't. She was nervous and fake looking throughout, lip synced her "performance" and her dancing was lousy. Her guests, with the exception of Cee-Lo were subpar as well. At the end of the day,the visual elements were good but she sucked. I don't think that's having a"limited view of what a performance is." At 36, I've seen all kinds of shows my whole life; plays, musicals, dances etc., concerts, opera, symphony and I know what a crappy performance is and that was Madonna's Superbowl Halftime Show.

Astasheiks said:

vainandy said:

Satanic Ritual Performed at The NFL Half Time Show

http://worldtruth.tv/sata...time-show/

This is interesting: "The most weird part about her performance is towards the end when Madonna said “Home” and the stage opened up and she fell inside. It looked as if the door’s of the pit opened up and swallowed her."

The Indianapolis Hellmouth reclaimed its succubus, rotting crotch and all.

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asg said:

domeng13 said:

with the players you mean...and the rest of the 114 million people who watched.

did u miss the joke

Missed the humour...not the joke.

lazycrockett said:

Astasheiks said:

This is interesting: "The most weird part about her performance is towards the end when Madonna said “Home” and the stage opened up and she fell inside. It looked as if the door’s of the pit opened up and swallowed her."

The Indianapolis Hellmouth reclaimed its succubus, rotting crotch and all.

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NaughtyKitty said:

This thread is bigger than the MJ sticky!

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only because the mj sticky is constantly closed then reopened in a new thread

airbak said:

Glindathegood said:

You have to realize though this wasn't a normal gig. It was at the Super Bowl, before a huge stadium shown live all over the world before billions of people. At something like that only a very extragavant over the top performance will work. I enjoy people singing live with acoustic guitars and other live instruments, at small intimate venues. But the Super Bowl was not the time or place for that. Madonna is not just a singer, she's a dancer and all around entertainer. You seem to have a very limited view of what a performance is. You have to have all live singing and all live instruments or it's no good to you. Why can't you enjoy Madonna for what she is?

You don't have to be over-the-top or extravangant when you have talent. This is the problem. Madonna has ALWAYS been overrated. Prince didn't need all of these diversions to distract the audience from focusing on a lackluster performance. He did have fireworks, dancers, the FAMU marching band and other visuals which I will agree, highlighted the grandness of the event while complimenting his performance. He played and sang live. HUGE DIFFERENCE. If you're going to have a nasty attitude and think you're big shit, you need to be able to back it up. Madonna didn't. She was nervous and fake looking throughout, lip synced her "performance" and her dancing was lousy. Her guests, with the exception of Cee-Lo were subpar as well. At the end of the day,the visual elements were good but she sucked. I don't think that's having a"limited view of what a performance is." At 36, I've seen all kinds of shows my whole life; plays, musicals, dances etc., concerts, opera, symphony and I know what a crappy performance is and that was Madonna's Superbowl Halftime Show.

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

All the other chatter dont matta...

Prince WON!

bellanoche said:

Astasheiks said:

I don't think you can fake playing drums especially the way Cora pounding those drums during Let's Go Crazy and Baby I'm A Star.

I know. After Sheila planted that ridiculous seed of doubt, I went back and watched Prince's performance again. I analyzed multiple aspects of it. It would have been very hard to stay in sync with a pre-recorded version of that performance. There were too many nuances and imperfections that pointed to it being live. Also, Sheila was trying to be coy with that dig, probably because people were firing back at her about Prince being better than Madoona. So she got defensive because her slight backfired in some ways.

- Hmm, but as far as I saw, the musicians almost dont appear in the video. And these guys are very professional. They could pretend they were playing very well, if they wanted to.

I am not saying the performance wasnt live, but the voice and guitar sounded more ´raw´ than the rest (maybe the higher volume helped)

Darshy said:

Pls don't say that her performance was amazing. It was Ok. Thats it.

- Well, from an entertainment-only point of view, I have to agree it was amazing...but lacked musicianship.

GustavoRibas said:

bellanoche said:

I know. After Sheila planted that ridiculous seed of doubt, I went back and watched Prince's performance again. I analyzed multiple aspects of it. It would have been very hard to stay in sync with a pre-recorded version of that performance. There were too many nuances and imperfections that pointed to it being live. Also, Sheila was trying to be coy with that dig, probably because people were firing back at her about Prince being better than Madoona. So she got defensive because her slight backfired in some ways.

- Hmm, but as far as I saw, the musicians almost dont appear in the video. And these guys are very professional. They could pretend they were playing very well, if they wanted to.

I am not saying the performance wasnt live, but the voice and guitar sounded more ´raw´ than the rest (maybe the higher volume helped)

I'm thinking it was the volume more than anything. I doubt anything else was pre-recorded.

Glindathegood said:

bellanoche said:

How can you say that people who have a dissenting opinion are negative??? Perhaps we have different critera for judging a MUSICAL performance. Maybe we actually do love music, which is why we are not impressed with an overblown lip synched ode to Cirque Du Soleil. Perhaps live music and instruments carry more weight for us than a extravagant wardrobes and dancers. Hey, I love the costumes and performances at Cirque du Soleil so it doesn't bother me that there music is recorded. However, I do not expect to see a musician (singer or instrumentalist) lip synching to a recording during a so-called LIVE performance. So, why do I need to "lose the attitude and try to enjoy life" because my expectations for a LIVE musical performance are different from yours? That is a very illogical statement. If you all you expect from a LIVE musical performance is pantomiming, costumes and dancers, fine. But don't "pity" me because I expect a so-called singer to SING.

You have to realize though this wasn't a normal gig. It was at the Super Bowl, before a huge stadium shown live all over the world before billions of people. At something like that only a very extragavant over the top performance will work. I enjoy people singing live with acoustic guitars and other live instruments, at small intimate venues. But the Super Bowl was not the time or place for that. Madonna is not just a singer, she's a dancer and all around entertainer. You seem to have a very limited view of what a performance is. You have to have all live singing and all live instruments or it's no good to you. I love extravagant performances and also intimate live singing and instrument playing. They both have their place. I think you should open your mind to different types of performances. I certainly would never tell someone who sings all live with all live instruments in a shirt and jeans with no dancers that they have to change and be like Madonna or it's no good. I enjoy those type of performances for what they are. Why can't you enjoy Madonna for what she is?

I'm not against negative criticism, but I do have to wonder when people online are so negative about something that the rest of the world seemed to love. I'm a big Madonna fan but I don't like everything she does. She deserves criticism sometimes like for example the Hard Candy album which was pretty sub par bar a few songs, but you have to give it up to her when she comes through as she did at the Super Bowl.

I do not have to give anything to her Super Bowl performance because I stand by my assertion that it was an overblown, uninspired mess.

You make several assumptions in your post that are completely off base. First, I am well aware that the Super Bowl is not a "normal gig." I would have to be an idiot to not realize that performing at halftime of the most watched single sporting event is not a "normal gig.” I know very well what a performance is as I have seen countless performances in my lifetime. I know that different audiences and occasions require different performances. I have seen myriad performances on myriad levels - from dance to opera, to plays, musicals, concerts, the symphony and everything in between. To me, at the core of any GOOD performance is TALENT! When I go to see Alvin Ailey or Martha Graham I expect to see talented dancers dance! When I go to the symphony, I expect to hear talented musicians play!. When I see live theater I expect to see talented actors to act! So, it is not a far stretch to expect a so-called singer to SING at a Super Bowl performance! Even the crappy BEP managed to do that. I do not care what stage you are on or what theatrics you want to employ, at the end of the day, you should be able to do it LIVE!

In case you missed it, Prince didn't perform a "normal gig" at the Super Bowl. Yet, he managed to perform LIVE in the rain. He used the FAMU marching band, fireworks, his symbol stage and lighting to COMPLEMENT his LIVE MUSICAL performance not to distract the audience from a lack of live music.

Finally, what rest of the world is in love with it? Many people have expressed how mediocre it was for all the hype that came with it. The same media that have been licking Madonna's boots for years are just following suit. They are painting by numbers in lauding her spectacle. We are living in a time where mediocrity reigns, so it is no wonder that the same media who report Kim Kardashian's every move are heaping praise on Madonna. Her celebrity frats carry no weight to me either. Yet, what I do find funny about all this praise is that NO ONE has said ANYTHING about the MUSIC because there was NOTHING OF NOTE about her cartwheeling to a CD. I could have learned the choreography and done what she did. Many far superior dancers could have done better and been more engaging. There are many karaoke singers who would have put her to shame.

If you enjoy seeing someone perform karaoke in front of 114 million in the middle of an extravagant, overblown display of mediocrity, then that is your prerogative. But don't try to psychoanalyze my expectation for more.

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I guess if you criticize something people like, they think you don't have fun... I don't get that either.

Glindathegood said:

You have to realize though this wasn't a normal gig. It was at the Super Bowl, before a huge stadium shown live all over the world before billions of people. At something like that only a very extragavant over the top performance will work. I enjoy people singing live with acoustic guitars and other live instruments, at small intimate venues. But the Super Bowl was not the time or place for that. Madonna is not just a singer, she's a dancer and all around entertainer.

- Well, Prince - and other artists - did it live. Ok, it wasnt as over produced as she was, but Prince put the MUSIC in the first place. And he is an entertainer too. A great one.

Let´s face it: Madonna isnt a great singer, a great dancer and a great songwriter. But she is a very intelligent woman who made the right career moves and is the most famous pop icon after Michael Jackson, even if there are other people more talented than she is.

I always looked at Madonna as a businesswoman first. Singer somewhere between number two or number three. In her day, she was a good performer, I just thought her SB performance was odd, hamstring injury or not.

Watching Prince's performance again.

Obviously Madonna's production killed his, but for a guy doing what appeared to be a live performance (whether it actually was or not, it certainly seemed live) in pouring rain he really did a fantastic job. He has to get extra points for the rain.

More entertaining than the other "live" acts like McCartney or Petty or the Stones, but more of a fun and exciting performance of music than Madonna or Janet. Loose, yet big & fun.

And his song choice was great to me. Madonnas was questionable to me. A snippet of Proud Mary did nothing to diminish Prince's flow IMO. Actually it was the one place where his medleys really made sense, given the time constraints.

domeng13 said:

airbak said:

You don't have to be over-the-top or extravangant when you have talent. This is the problem. Madonna has ALWAYS been overrated. Prince didn't need all of these diversions to distract the audience from focusing on a lackluster performance. He did have fireworks, dancers, the FAMU marching band and other visuals which I will agree, highlighted the grandness of the event while complimenting his performance. He played and sang live. HUGE DIFFERENCE. If you're going to have a nasty attitude and think you're big shit, you need to be able to back it up. Madonna didn't. She was nervous and fake looking throughout, lip synced her "performance" and her dancing was lousy. Her guests, with the exception of Cee-Lo were subpar as well. At the end of the day,the visual elements were good but she sucked. I don't think that's having a"limited view of what a performance is." At 36, I've seen all kinds of shows my whole life; plays, musicals, dances etc., concerts, opera, symphony and I know what a crappy performance is and that was Madonna's Superbowl Halftime Show.

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

You and some of these other Madonna fans are so completely illogical that I now understand why you stan for her. What standards would someone have other than their own for judging someone? If airbak finds Madonna overrated, she is entitled to that if Madonna's "talents" do not meet her expectations. This is a Prince site, yes, but that is not fodder to dismiss legitimate observations about Madonna's mediocrity. If you compare Madonna to any of the big artists of the 1980s, she falls short. She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick. She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. I do not like her because for me, there is nothing for me to like about her as an "artist." She is not original. She is a very limited "singer." She is an average dancer at best. Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue.

Your talk of hate and insecurity belie an unhealthy connection to the talentless wonder that you are so in love with. Why would a Prince fan feel insecure about anything Madonna has done? His catalogue is unparalleled in its breadth, diversity and quality. What serious musician has ever praised Madonna? “Entertainers” might enjoy her spectacle, but serious musicians see her for what she is – an overblown pop artist who would have been a few-hit wonder were it not for her crafty media savvy and the media’s willingness to prop her up as something more than she is. At 53, Prince's natural talent, musicianship and showmanship mean that he does not have to reduce himself to a visual spectacle like Madonna to garner attention. Her talented counterparts from the 1980s are still making good, adult music without desperately pandering to young audiences, trying to suck the life out of other mediocre current artists like Britney, LMFAO, Nicki Minaj and M.I.A for a hint of relevance.

I don’t like Lady Gaga, but at least she is talented. It is funny that Madonna called Lady GaGa reductive. I have never seen a greater instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about someone feeling insecure. However, at least Gaga can sing and play piano. What about your girl?

domeng13 said:

airbak said:

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

If you had read my posts regarding Madonna, you would have clearly understood my position. I said that I do like some of her music but that she is OVERRATED! Lyrically, theory/composition wise her songs aren't anything to write home about. They are simply catchy pop songs. I put her in the same category as I do Brittany Spears or others of this cloak. This has nothing to do with this being a Prince site, but everything to do with my well-trained eye and measure for quality. I'm sorry that you have lower expectations and are obviously content with a lower standard for music and "performance" for that matter. Also, if you had clearly understood my points of view, you would have seen that I compared her to several artists from the 80s. The Prince comparison was made because in addition to being a popular 80s artist, they both performed at the Superbowl. You mention her being a "visual element" but that "performance" wasn't worth the visual.

bellanoche said:

domeng13 said:

Overrated? Whose standards? Well of course yours. I know this is a primarily a Prince site. And we respect the artist. But you not liking Madonna and always comparing the Purple One to her will only highlight the insecurity that you feel. I accept the fact that you don't like Madonna and have expressed it clearly, though your reasons are anchored on the fact that you just hate her and her success that you thought could only be achieved by your kind of talented people. You said you love the visual element. She is the visual element. At 36 you have more to watch and more to learn.

You and some of these other Madonna fans are so completely illogical that I now understand why you stan for her. What standards would someone have other than their own for judging someone? If airbak finds Madonna overrated, she is entitled to that if Madonna's "talents" do not meet her expectations. This is a Prince site, yes, but that is not fodder to dismiss legitimate observations about Madonna's mediocrity. If you compare Madonna to any of the big artists of the 1980s, she falls short. She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick. She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. I do not like her because for me, there is nothing for me to like about her as an "artist." She is not original. She is a very limited "singer." She is an average dancer at best. Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue.

Your talk of hate and insecurity belie an unhealthy connection to the talentless wonder that you are so in love with. Why would a Prince fan feel insecure about anything Madonna has done? His catalogue is unparalleled in its breadth, diversity and quality. What serious musician has ever praised Madonna? “Entertainers” might enjoy her spectacle, but serious musicians see her for what she is – an overblown pop artist who would have been a few-hit wonder were it not for her crafty media savvy and the media’s willingness to prop her up as something more than she is. At 53, Prince's natural talent, musicianship and showmanship mean that he does not have to reduce himself to a visual spectacle like Madonna to garner attention. Her talented counterparts from the 1980s are still making good, adult music without desperately pandering to young audiences, trying to suck the life out of other mediocre current artists like Britney, LMFAO, Nicki Minaj and M.I.A for a hint of relevance.

I don’t like Lady Gaga, but at least she is talented. It is funny that Madonna called Lady GaGa reductive. I have never seen a greater instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about someone feeling insecure. However, at least Gaga can sing and play piano. What about your girl?

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lazycrockett said:

bellanoche said:

You and some of these other Madonna fans are so completely illogical that I now understand why you stan for her. What standards would someone have other than their own for judging someone? If airbak finds Madonna overrated, she is entitled to that if Madonna's "talents" do not meet her expectations. This is a Prince site, yes, but that is not fodder to dismiss legitimate observations about Madonna's mediocrity. If you compare Madonna to any of the big artists of the 1980s, she falls short. She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick. She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. I do not like her because for me, there is nothing for me to like about her as an "artist." She is not original. She is a very limited "singer." She is an average dancer at best. Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue.

Your talk of hate and insecurity belie an unhealthy connection to the talentless wonder that you are so in love with. Why would a Prince fan feel insecure about anything Madonna has done? His catalogue is unparalleled in its breadth, diversity and quality. What serious musician has ever praised Madonna? “Entertainers” might enjoy her spectacle, but serious musicians see her for what she is – an overblown pop artist who would have been a few-hit wonder were it not for her crafty media savvy and the media’s willingness to prop her up as something more than she is. At 53, Prince's natural talent, musicianship and showmanship mean that he does not have to reduce himself to a visual spectacle like Madonna to garner attention. Her talented counterparts from the 1980s are still making good, adult music without desperately pandering to young audiences, trying to suck the life out of other mediocre current artists like Britney, LMFAO, Nicki Minaj and M.I.A for a hint of relevance.

I don’t like Lady Gaga, but at least she is talented. It is funny that Madonna called Lady GaGa reductive. I have never seen a greater instance of the pot calling the kettle black. Talk about someone feeling insecure. However, at least Gaga can sing and play piano. What about your girl?

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Really??? Is that the best you got? Thanks for saving me the work by posting that gif. I see the guys in the gif found that "performance" as laughable as I did. Voice sucked. She could barely strum 3 chords and stay in time. And just like her hamstring disclaimer, she tried to forewarn of her mediocre performance with the "I'm just learning" line.

Thanks for making my argument for me! As I said, not great at anything musically.

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Was this supposed to prove how good she is? We already know she can't sing. We didn't need this video to confirm it. It took her like 30 years to pick up an instrument, that she sucks at playing btw? I guess that's why she apologized before she even started playing. "I just started playing." "I have a hamstring pull." No more excuses, you're just mediocre.

RKJCNE said:

x 1,000,000,000

airbak said:

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Was this supposed to prove how good she is? We already know she can't sing. We didn't need this video to confirm it. It took her like 30 years to pick up an instrument, that she sucks at playing btw? I guess that's why she apologized before she even started playing. "I just started playing." "I have a hamstring pull." No more excuses, you're just mediocre.

Lord no. I would never defend that hack. They arn't laughing with her theyre laughing at her.

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airbak said:

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Was this supposed to prove how good she is? We already know she can't sing. We didn't need this video to confirm it. It took her like 30 years to pick up an instrument, that she sucks at playing btw? I guess that's why she apologized before she even started playing. "I just started playing." "I have a hamstring pull." No more excuses, you're just mediocre.

Oh dear.....and this is supposed to convince the world that she's no good? She was the first one to admit that she's not a good singer...but it's all about what she loves doing...performing...and now it's all about her being a cultural icon. Since up to now you don't get her... you never will. And those two guys...they're laughing at you. You hate her so much...but you spend most of your time here...well unless you're getting paid to do this....if not....those two guys are really having a good time laughing at you. To counter the negativity...here she is for you.

bellanoche said:

lazycrockett said:

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Really??? Is that the best you got? Thanks for saving me the work by posting that gif. I see the guys in the gif found that "performance" as laughable as I did. Voice sucked. She could barely strum 3 chords and stay in time. And just like her hamstring disclaimer, she tried to forewarn of her mediocre performance with the "I'm just learning" line.

Thanks for making my argument for me! As I said, not great at anything musically.

And for someone who is not great in anything related to music....she has everything you ever wanted all your life....well except the one that you have...INTERNET CONNECTION.

lazycrockett said:

airbak said:

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Was this supposed to prove how good she is? We already know she can't sing. We didn't need this video to confirm it. It took her like 30 years to pick up an instrument, that she sucks at playing btw? I guess that's why she apologized before she even started playing. "I just started playing." "I have a hamstring pull." No more excuses, you're just mediocre.

Lord no. I would never defend that hack. They arn't laughing with her theyre laughing at her.

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No...at you...they're laughing at you.

bellanoche said:

If you compare Madonna to any of the big artists of the 1980s, she falls short. She is nowhere near as naturally talented as Prince, MJ, Bruce, Whitney or Sade. She is not the visual element, she is the gimmick. She is not great at anything beyond media manipulation. I do not like her because for me, there is nothing for me to like about her as an "artist." She is not original. She is a very limited "singer." She is an average dancer at best. Her songs are catchy pop tunes with no real staying power. I like Dress You Up, Holiday, Human Natur and Get into the Groove, but these are not great songs. I do not think there is a "great song in her catalogue.

- Agree. I like some of her songs (Like a Prayer is my fave) but even her "great" songs werent written by herself, as far as I know.