NDRU said:

I don't know why people ignore the fact the BB's have been a "real" band for over 20 years

Because ignorance is bliss for some...

The original version of the Beasties was a punk rock band, but Ad Rock wasn't in the pre-rap version.

People really aren't letting this go

Lets all blame the evil white man seems ot be the easiest way out, every white artists every born into creation has stolen from blacks. Is this what people want others to admit? Did Slayer still from Little richard to?

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

Alot of his most popular songs were written by African Americans and EVEN his dancing which he STOLE from Jackie Wilson

A lot of Sammy Davis Jr, Johnny Mathis, Nancy Wilson, Billie Holliday, Lena Horne, etc songs were written by whites or Jews. What's your point?

Now me and you both know that the point that I made goes BEYOND songwriters races. So I think its silly that you brought that up to equate that as being the same when it isnt... AND sadly if you missed the big picture that was presented I cant help you with that.. Futhermore, this isnt about those black acts and they werent given credit for something they didnt do on their own AND especially if you were BLACK.. you werent getting credit for shit whether you created it or not in MOST cases...

Are you seriously implying that systematic NEVER occured during that era????????????????

MickyDolenz said:

Why don't you say that Marion Anderson or Robert McFerrin Sr "stole" white music by singing opera or Paul Robeson by singing showtunes? A lot of Latin music like salsa and fandango was inspired by African music. Carlos Santana said in the 1970's that his music was really African music.

Because they were not GIVEN credit for innovating or creating those things UNLIKE white entertainers during that era. Elvis wasnt the ONLY white entertainer that practiced that.. It was considered acceptable during that era because blacks still didnt have no rights and were still fighting for equal liberties... Most of all what white people adapted.. rock n roll, forms of dances etc orginated from alot BLACK innovators that NO ONE NEVER talks about and you can take that to the bank...

I just find it sickoning how alot of you are making excuses for how unfairly black people were treated during the time.. I find it very disrespectful exactly...

MickyDolenz said:

People who say Elvis "stole" say nothing about this. Many R&B, soul, Black, jazz songs have strings and orchestras on them. That's European, so why don't you say blacks "stole" it? Why was it Jimi Hendrix was mostly ignored by black folks in the 1960's.

Because thats dumb and not accurate. Black people were playing instruments with strings before they were even brought over to America.. What the hell are you talking about????

This arguement isnt about which "race invented what first" the entire point is going over you head..

So what... Bojangles Robinson audiences were primarily whites back in the late 1800's and he portrayed in MINSTREL shoows NO brainer that the audience was primarily WHITE... the same with dorothy dandridge etc... During that period African American at some point HAD to have a core white audience in order to cross over and be successful ESPECIALLY during that period of hatred and racism towards blacks.

MickyDolenz said:

Many blacks ignored blues music and considered it "low class" and "backwards". It took white British guys listening to bootleg radio or records brought over by black GI's to popularize it to the masses. Also, beatniks and hippies invited blues singers to sing in their clubs & coffeehouses. If the blues was dependent on African Americans, it would have become extinct decades ago.

LOL are you serious???? The "BLUES" Black people were singing "blues" before it even became recognized as a damn musical genre LOL... this ALL goes back to slavery bro... BLACKS originally came up with the blues but it never fails America will brainwash and tell lies to cover up their dirty laundry... It seems you equate as orginating the same as popularizing but you LEAVE OUT crucial parts in the history of this and not only that "popularizing" and creating are two different things.

Black people did not have the same resources, rights, opportunities AS WHITES so I bet it would be EASY for them to popularize the genre on a RADIO STATION LOL in the 1900's. To sit here and say that Whites started the blues because they popularized it on a radio doesnt mean they originally innovated the genre. I mean NO SHIT its not suprising they would popularize it, making profit off it etc they were the mass majority and African Americans didnt have any rights or equality to do anything. What do you think their going to do? Go to court and expect a fair trial? And they damn sure cant speak out about it if they didnt want to get lynched the next day.

I mean c'mon now seriously...

MickyDolenz said:

As far as dancing goes, why don't you talk about Michael Jackson moves from Bob Fosse, Fred Estaire, and even Elvis himself or that Alvin Ailey was influenced by Lester Horton? Elvis made it no secret that he would go to the blues clubs and black churches to hear the gospel choirs. Elvis and Jackie were friends and he defended Elvis and so did BB King. Elvis was even interviewed by Jet magazine several times.

I'M NOT TAKIN THE BAITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NOPPPPPEEEE SIRRRRRYYYY NOT MEE

MickyDolenz said:

You don't say anything about blackface and minstrel shows, which black peformers of the time themselves participated in. Now that is something that could be considered "stolen" rather than just influenced. You don't see many in the white media today claiming that.

At any rate, those who can, do.

Those who can't, talk.

And why do you think that was???

First off do you know what those minstrel shows were about???

The whole concept of the play from start to finish was about DEPICTING AFRICAN AMERICANS IN THE WORSE WAY AKA RACIST PLAYS TOWARDS BLACK PEOPLE. White people dressed in all black face and their characters were the stereotypical of blacks during that time primarily depicted them as being lazy or happy go lucky uncle toms; servants that were happy in their current condition among other things... those dumb ass minstrel shows were a great influence on politics and the perception of how blacks would further be depicted in films.

What the hell do you expect a white person to say about that NOW????

There not going to say squat about it now because THEY even know how racist as crap it was

That has nothing to do with Black people stealing anything from whites. The whole point was to belittle and showed prejudice against black people so how could black people possibly steal anything???

Do you think black people WANTED to play those sterotypical racist roles that depicted them in the worse way?

Those are the ONLY JOBS in HOLLYWOOD they could get during the time.. if they didnt want to mop a floor. Those are the only jobs WHITE people would GIVE them... now YOU think about that, WHY do you think that?

And plus anyway their werent a whole lot of black people that particpated ONLY a few the most well known is Bojangles which just so happens to be one of my favs tap dancers.

[Edited 12/12/11 15:06pm]

rialb said:

mjscarousal said:

He STOLE from blacks but see what you fail to realize is he wasnt the only person that made that operation successful. He thrived during a time that it was like second nature to STEAL and take the credit for what African Americans had ALREADY been doing... Regardless if he had other influences or not.. he is WELL KNOWN for alot of the things that he STOLE from blacks... Alot of his most popular songs were written by African Americans and EVEN his dancing which he STOLE from Jackie Wilson.

No I dont like him OR his music.

And I hate the system that he operated on which is 98% of why he is as famous for what he is. Its the same system that goes back to slavery... but America wants to sweep crap under the rug like it didnt or doesnt happen... thats not the REAL America.. The REAL America doest give a fuck about you or anybody

I really do not see your logic. Sure, he recorded some songs that were written by black songwriters but so what? Are you saying that white artists can only cover songs by other white artists? Some of Michael Jacksons biggest songs were written by a white Englishman, does that mean MJ stole white music? What about Billie Holiday? Many of the songs that she sang were written by white jews, is that ok? One of Jimi Hendrix' most popular songs is a Bob Dylan cover. Did Jimi steal that song?

I think that you missed my point. Elvis did not simply copy black artists. He had many influences, and yes some of them were black artists, but his sound was a mixture of those influences filtered into something new. If you listen to his Sun recordings there is nothing that sounded like that before Elvis.

My only point was that he received easy credit for things that African Americans had been doing for years previously or invented because he was white... that is all. I wasnt trying to bash him. I was responding to what someone had said.

He probably did have more influences but that doesnt justify that fact... people always trying to make excuses for the truth when you cant... Many white singers/entertainers did that and got away with it..

That example of Jimi Hendrix you gave is not stealing because the MEDIA is not giving him credit for writing the song. Hendrix aint stupid... there is no way he would have ever LIED about that because he knows he wouldnt have gotten away with that LOL Like a white person would of... the FIRST thing Im sure he thought was... "wow this is a cool song LET ME ASK FOR PERMISION FIRST ASAP" Oh yea ... he did all of that plus 900...lol...

Its DIFFERENT... its DIFFERENT.. not the SAME.. the shit that black people had to go through and go through is NOT the same as white people... BECAUSE of slavery and racism. I REALLY wishthe past was not like that and even till this day but it is what it is... I just hate how people try not to acknowledge it.

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

jackson35 said:

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

jackson35 said:

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

Exactly!!!!!!

VERY WELL SAID.. right there you hit it

LOL

I agree that the reason why WAR didnt get in THIS TIME had NOTHING to do with racism... I dont really know how this topic got brought up anyway but glad it kinda did because it has brought to light alot of things people well America rather hush hush about which people generally do with the truth anyway...

To honestly call yourself an American and sit behind your computer screen LOL and exactly type out that NONE of these award shows NEVER practiced RACISM EVER when their some of the most corrupt political full of b.s. mass gravy ish of all time ??? What are yall smoking? and your no better than the corrupt grammys. rhof for foolishly thinking that..

Theres a reason why James Brown, Marvin Gaye, etc dont have really no grammys...

Its not just based on "politics" racism is included in the math equation being that they were mostly ran and voted on by whites..

So I can UNDERSTAND why a 1970s band like WAR feels angry... and on top of that this is their SECOND time not getting in..

aint that some sh**

I mean I dont care about it and it really means nothing but its the "principle" but everything is crap nowadays anyway...

[Edited 12/12/11 15:42pm]

mjscarousal said:

LOL are you serious???? The "BLUES" Black people were singing "blues" before it even became recognized as a damn musical genre LOL... this ALL goes back to slavery bro... BLACKS originally came up with the blues but it never fails America will brainwash and tell lies to cover up their dirty laundry... It seems you equate as orginating the same as popularizing but you LEAVE OUT crucial parts in the history of this and not only that "popularizing" and creating are two different things.

Black people did not have the same resources, rights, opportunities AS WHITES so I bet it would be EASY for them to popularize the genre on a RADIO STATION LOL in the 1900's. To sit here and say that Whites started the blues because they popularized it on a radio doesnt mean they originally innovated the genre. I mean NO SHIT its not suprising they would popularize it, making profit off it etc they were the mass majority and African Americans didnt have any rights or equality to do anything. What do you think their going to do? Go to court and expect a fair trial? And they damn sure cant speak out about it if they didnt want to get lynched the next day.

I mean c'mon now seriously...

There's nothing in my comment that says whites invented the blues, but they popularized it and kept it alive when the most of black audience abandoned it for "soul" and "R&B" music. Some blues singers themselves said that they were helped out in the 1960's when beatniks started booking them at colleges and coffeehouses in the 1960s, and started making more money than they were performing in obscure juke joints. They also got a bigger audience when British acts like the Beatles, Paul Butterfield, and Eric Clapton either talked about them and/or performed their music. If you go to the average blues concert today, who is the audience? It's more whites than black.

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving? Then you are celebrating the stealing of land and genocide of the natives. Do you shop at Wal-Mart or wear Nike? Well you're supporting sweatshops. Do you eat chocolate or chew gum? Then you're supporting modern slavery. A lot of the old railroads were built by the Chinese. Japanese people were put in "camps" during WWII. You can't tell me anything about US history. I know that there were blacks living in the "new land" before Columbus "discovered" it. They were part of the Native Americans. A small percentage of Africans during the slave trade even came to the USA, the majority were taken to South America, parts of Mexico, and Hispaniola.

jackson35 said:

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

While i'm not here to add fuel to the fire micheal bolton is definitely a part of this list

as he tried to shit the Isley brothers out of songwriting credit in the early nineties with

Love Is A Wonderful Thing.

jackson35 said:

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

Those who can, do.

Those who can't, talk.

Look at Latinos, they didn't just whine about whites ignoring them. The created their own TV networks, radio stations, record labels, award shows, etc. I can turn on the TV and find Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, African, etc. run channels on regular TV. I don't see any African-American ones. BET is a white owned network and on cable, so doesn't count.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

LOL are you serious???? The "BLUES" Black people were singing "blues" before it even became recognized as a damn musical genre LOL... this ALL goes back to slavery bro... BLACKS originally came up with the blues but it never fails America will brainwash and tell lies to cover up their dirty laundry... It seems you equate as orginating the same as popularizing but you LEAVE OUT crucial parts in the history of this and not only that "popularizing" and creating are two different things.

Black people did not have the same resources, rights, opportunities AS WHITES so I bet it would be EASY for them to popularize the genre on a RADIO STATION LOL in the 1900's. To sit here and say that Whites started the blues because they popularized it on a radio doesnt mean they originally innovated the genre. I mean NO SHIT its not suprising they would popularize it, making profit off it etc they were the mass majority and African Americans didnt have any rights or equality to do anything. What do you think their going to do? Go to court and expect a fair trial? And they damn sure cant speak out about it if they didnt want to get lynched the next day.

I mean c'mon now seriously...

There's nothing in my comment that says whites invented the blues, but they popularized it and kept it alive when the most of black audience abandoned it for "soul" and "R&B" music. Some blues singers themselves said that they were helped out in the 1960's when beatniks started booking them at colleges and coffeehouses in the 1960s, and started making more money than they were performing in obscure juke joints. They also got a bigger audience when British acts like the Beatles, Paul Butterfield, and Eric Clapton either talked about them and/or performed their music. If you go to the average blues concert today, who is the audience? It's more whites than black.

Do you celebrate Thanksgiving? Then you are celebrating the stealing of land and genocide of the natives. Do you shop at Wal-Mart or wear Nike? Well you're supporting sweatshops. Do you eat chocolate or chew gum? Then you're supporting modern slavery. A lot of the old railroads were built by the Chinese. Japanese people were put in "camps" during WWII. You can't tell me anything about US history. I know that there were blacks living in the "new land" before Columbus "discovered" it. They were part of the Native Americans. A small percentage of Africans during the slave trade even came to the USA, the majority were taken to South America, parts of Mexico, and Hispaniola.

Why are you trying to make this a competition?

lol

Its not about whos winning or whose knows more and some information that you said you were way off on so if I were you I would brush up on my history

I find it funny that you throw anything and everything at me to trash my arguement but it has NOTHING to do with the arguement

Why are you talking about Columbus? FYI .. Columbus didnt discover America.. Native Americans did another little false lie America made up to give credit to the white man.

Why are you bringing up Thanksgiving? Chocolate? when were talking about an era in music/entertainment specifically 1920s 1950s roughly...

You bring up all these things to refute my claim.. never once admiting that its true.. I dont care you dont have to agree with me NO ONE has to agree with me LOL.. because I know the history of the REAL America.. the one the fantasy America wants to hide

ALSO

You did imply whites created "Blues" as well as popularized it

I greatly disagree that you insist black artists abandoned blues when their are alot of great black blues singers."Blues" was not as popular as R&B doesnt mean no black artists didnt sing the genre.

FWIW check out the top Grammy winners

If that is not a diverse group of fantastic musicians, I really don't know what is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...rd_records

mjscarousal said:

You did imply whites created "Blues" as well as popularized it

How did you get that from this:

Many blacks ignored blues music and considered it "low class" and "backwards". It took white British guys listening to bootleg radio or records brought over by black GI's to popularize it to the masses. Also, beatniks and hippies invited blues singers to sing in their clubs & coffeehouses. If the blues was dependent on African Americans, it would have become extinct decades ago.

I greatly disagree that you insist black artists abandoned blues when their are alot of great black blues singers."Blues" was not as popular as R&B doesnt mean no black artists didnt sing the genre.

I said audience, not artists. They're two different things. Also I didn't say Columbus discovered anything. That's why there's quotes around "discovered". The Chinese, Vikings, Africans, and others sailed here before him. Since everything you say is "right" and you don't want to listen to anybody else, talking to you is a waste of time. You say no one listens to you, but you don't listen to anyone else either. It's like everybody else is wrong and that's it. If you really cared about what you say, then you wouldn't gripe on some obscure Prince site that the average person doesn't know or care about, and go straight to the source. Write to Jann Wenner and/or Rolling Stone magazine or find out who is on the board. Create your own Hall Of Fame and put whoever you want in it. Yakking about wrongs doesn't help anything.

Again:

Those who can, do

Those who can't, talk.

[Edited 12/12/11 16:47pm]

There is some real graspin going on just to hate on the Beastie Boys.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

You did imply whites created "Blues" as well as popularized it

How did you get that from this:

Many blacks ignored blues music and considered it "low class" and "backwards". It took white British guys listening to bootleg radio or records brought over by black GI's to popularize it to the masses. Also, beatniks and hippies invited blues singers to sing in their clubs & coffeehouses. If the blues was dependent on African Americans, it would have become extinct decades ago.

I greatly disagree that you insist black artists abandoned blues when their are alot of great black blues singers."Blues" was not as popular as R&B doesnt mean no black artists didnt sing the genre.

I said "audience", not "artists". They're two different things. Also I didn't say Columbus discovered anything. That's why there's quotes around "discovered". The Chinese, Vikings, Africans, and others sailed here before him. Since everything you say is "right" and you don't want to listen to anybody else, talking to you is a waste of time. You say no one listens to you, but you don't listen to anyone else either. It's like everybody else is wrong and that's it. If you really cared about what you say, then you wouldn't gripe on some obscure Prince site that the average person doesn't know or care about, and go straight to the source. Write to Jann Wenner and/or Rolling Stone magazine or find out who is on the board. Create your own Hall Of Fame and put whoever you want in it. Yakking about wrongs doesn't help anything.

Again:

Those who can, do

Those who can't, talk.

I dont think I am right on everything or know everything. In fact, their have been plenty of times on alot of things here Ive been corrected on by other posters and I lovveee it because I like being enlightened cause at 19 I damn sure dont know everything especially with the older artists that I love.

Why dont you take a little bit of your own advice becauase once again their were some things you said that wasnt 100% correct.

You seem to think this is about who knows more and your forgetting the BIG picture in this whole discussion. We can go for days talking about this topic..

The ONLY point that I was trying to make was that many white acts stole from black people and took alot of credit for things blacks did.. (for some weird reason you seem to not acknowledge it which shows your biasedness which you have no reason to be but its definitly underlined even people who didnt completely agree with me agreed that RACISM did exist in those forms) but watver... I dont care about the dumb RHOF or stupid ass grammys like alot of yall do...BUT thats not going to stop me from voicing my opinion on somebody being done wrong or a systematic that is not fair... I dont care but I am still going to speak on it... There is alot of things that I do that does make a difference. I dont tune into those shows or give support and your right.. I should write to them about my concerns...

Yakking and voicing your opinion on a message board is two different things but I guess its yakking two you since you failed to listen and dont agree? Ok... I didnt call your opinion as yakking so why express that to mines... Its just DISCUSSION not that serious thats why we all are here.. its a DISCUSSION BOARD. But if you cant handle it okay lol

lazycrockett said:

There is some real graspin going on just to hate on the Beastie Boys.

No one cares that the Boys earned their place, they just need a scapegoat since their favorite acts didn't get in. It's childish really. At the end of the day War is just as influential as they were last month.

mjscarousal said:

I dont think I am right on everything or know everything. In fact, their have been plenty of times on alot of things here Ive been corrected on by other posters and I lovveee it because I like being enlightened cause at 19 I damn sure dont know everything especially with the older artists that I love.

Why dont you take a little bit of your own advice becauase once again their were some things you said that wasnt 100% correct.

You seem to think this is about who knows more and your forgetting the BIG picture in this whole discussion. We can go for days talking about this topic..

The ONLY point that I was trying to make was that many white acts stole from black people and took alot of credit for things blacks did.. (for some weird reason you seem to not acknowledge it which shows your biasedness which you have no reason to be but its definitly underlined even people who didnt completely agree with me agreed that RACISM did exist in those forms) but watver... I dont care about the dumb RHOF or stupid ass grammys like alot of yall do...BUT thats not going to stop me from voicing my opinion on somebody being done wrong or a systematic that is not fair... I dont care but I am still going to speak on it... There is alot of things that I do that does make a difference. I dont tune into those shows or give support and your right.. I should write to them about my concerns...

Yakking and voicing your opinion on a message board is two different things but I guess its yakking two you since you failed to listen and dont agree? Ok... I didnt call your opinion as yakking so why express that to mines... Its just DISCUSSION not that serious thats why we all are here.. its a DISCUSSION BOARD. But if you cant handle it okay lol

You're just assuming. I never said there was or wasn't racism and I didn't say I cared about the Hall Of Fame or Grammys. I just came in here to say that the Beastie Boys played instruments, when the OP said they sampled only. In the other thread I even said that Alvin & The Chipmunks should be inducted. I also said that there was female baby genocide and a group getting into a museum is not important. Elvis and whites ripping off black music doesn't have anything to do with War, Beastie Boys, or the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame

It's yakking because you're only talking and not putting any effort to change what you feel is wrong. I don't care about who gets in the Hall Of Fame and not upset about who got in or who didn't, so why would I bother protesting? Since it seems to bother you, do something about it, fight for the cause. Anybody can talk, what good is it doing you? You say racism in the US is swept under the rug, and people are "whitewashed", well do something about it. Look at the women fighting for suffrage, African Americans fighting for civil rights, or women fighting to play high school and college sports in the 1970's. Carter G Woodson was one of the first to start writing about African American history. They didn't just sit around and talk, they put forth some action. Even PETA and Greenpeace gets out there, whether people like their methods or not.

MickyDolenz said:

jackson35 said:

the whole point is this... the rrhof, the grammys, ama, the oscars, all these shows are created to bait black artist into being angry, bitter and jealous and frustrated.how many black artist were pissed over the years because of the fact that they never recieved these stupid awards while artist like pat boone, michael bolton, kenny g, among others reap the benifits.

Those who can, do.

Those who can't, talk.

Look at Latinos, they didn't just whine about whites ignoring them. The created their own TV networks, radio stations, record labels, award shows, etc. I can turn on the TV and find Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, African, etc. run channels on regular TV. I don't see any African-American ones. BET is a white owned network and on cable, so doesn't count.

I wonder if I am the only one who is tired of The Monkees and their noise.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

I dont think I am right on everything or know everything. In fact, their have been plenty of times on alot of things here Ive been corrected on by other posters and I lovveee it because I like being enlightened cause at 19 I damn sure dont know everything especially with the older artists that I love.

Why dont you take a little bit of your own advice becauase once again their were some things you said that wasnt 100% correct.

You seem to think this is about who knows more and your forgetting the BIG picture in this whole discussion. We can go for days talking about this topic..

The ONLY point that I was trying to make was that many white acts stole from black people and took alot of credit for things blacks did.. (for some weird reason you seem to not acknowledge it which shows your biasedness which you have no reason to be but its definitly underlined even people who didnt completely agree with me agreed that RACISM did exist in those forms) but watver... I dont care about the dumb RHOF or stupid ass grammys like alot of yall do...BUT thats not going to stop me from voicing my opinion on somebody being done wrong or a systematic that is not fair... I dont care but I am still going to speak on it... There is alot of things that I do that does make a difference. I dont tune into those shows or give support and your right.. I should write to them about my concerns...

Yakking and voicing your opinion on a message board is two different things but I guess its yakking two you since you failed to listen and dont agree? Ok... I didnt call your opinion as yakking so why express that to mines... Its just DISCUSSION not that serious thats why we all are here.. its a DISCUSSION BOARD. But if you cant handle it okay lol

You're just assuming. I never said there was or wasn't racism and I didn't say I cared about the Hall Of Fame or Grammys. I just came in here to say that the Beastie Boys played instruments, when the OP said they sampled only. In the other thread I even said that Alvin & The Chipmunks should be inducted. I also said that there was female baby genocide and a group getting into a museum is not important. Elvis and whites ripping off black music doesn't have anything to do with War, Beastie Boys, or the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame

It's yakking because you're only talking and not putting any effort to change what you feel is wrong. I don't care about who gets in the Hall Of Fame and not upset about who got in or who didn't, so why would I bother protesting? Since it seems to bother you, do something about it, fight for the cause. Anybody can talk, what good is it doing you? You say racism in the US is swept under the rug, and people are "whitewashed", well do something about it. Look at the women fighting for suffrage, African Americans fighting for civil rights, or women fighting to play high school and college sports in the 1970's. Carter G Woodson was one of the first to start writing about African American history. They didn't just sit around and talk, they put forth some action. Even PETA and Greenpeace gets out there, whether people like their methods or not.

Ive already said that mutiple of times and even said I dont know how the subject got brought up but since you disagree with it being related to this topic you justify and make excuses for Elvis and the prejudice against African Americans during an era where alot of blacks were snubbed because of racism ....

Ahh.. yea I have a problem with that because thats like trying to deny racism even existed in the first place. NO its not related in this case but the thread like it usually does in MOST cases changed in a different direction... so far what I get from you is since racism has nothing to do with why WAR didnt get inducted in RHOF 2011, I am going to make up excuses to shut down the possible reason blacks might not have receive their fair share of awards dued to racism because it has nothing to do with this thread... I mean seriously, WHO CARES if its not related to the topic?? lol It STILL a hidden fact in how it use to operate... thats ALL I'm saying... I already put the cards on the table and said that NO this is a off target subject BUT I am not going to sit here and deny facts that alot of posters pointed out either just because it doesnt relate in this situation.

Thats the thing... I havent ASSUMED anything LOL You have made your feelings clear... Just because racism has nothing to do with THIS particular situation doesnt mean it has NEVER happened because it HAS happened. You have made every excuse in the book to eclipse that. You have never mentioned or acknowledge the injustice against African Americans and how that affected politics in how awards were given at one point.

Once again I jumped into this conversation as well and dont think its associated with this particular topic but just because its not related doesnt mean you shut down a fact that is still true at the end of the day whether its related or not.

ALSO

Just because I show to be opinionated on alot of issues doesnt mean I am just talking and NOT doing anything about it.. you dont know shit about me... cause unlike most people things I believe in I exactly apply to my life and strive to make changes if it is something I want to make a difference in... thanks...

I dont think racism is swept under the rug but their are alot of spectrums, cracks, and factual info that America doesnt want to confront because they want us to remember it in a certain way but thats with alot of things NOT just racism and the only reason why I said that is because you have arrogantly and disrespectfully chose to not acknowledge something apart of history because you feel it is minor and not related to THIS topic when in reality RHOF have practiced it in the past

mjscarousal said:

I havent ASSUMED anything LOL You have made your feelings clear... Just You have made every excuse in the book to eclipse that. You have never mentioned or acknowledge the injustice against African Americans and how that affected politics in how awards were given at one point.

you dont know shit about me...

you have arrogantly and disrespectfully chose to not acknowledge something apart of history because you feel it is minor and not related to THIS topic

These comments contradict each other. I don't know about you, yet you know everything about me from what I say or not say. Alrighty then. You're right and I'm wrong and just leave it that.

MickyDolenz said:

mjscarousal said:

I havent ASSUMED anything LOL You have made your feelings clear... Just You have made every excuse in the book to eclipse that. You have never mentioned or acknowledge the injustice against African Americans and how that affected politics in how awards were given at one point.

you dont know shit about me...

you have arrogantly and disrespectfully chose to not acknowledge something apart of history because you feel it is minor and not related to THIS topic

These comments contradict each other. I don't know about you, yet you know everything about me from what I say or not say. Alrighty then. You're right and I'm wrong and just leave it that.

LMAO.. while I didnt agree with you I at least applaud that you acted civil through out the discussion.

And I never labeled you as anything as you did with my opinions, I just pointed out you never acknowledge that blacks experienced discrimination dued to racism in how awards were given to them because you thought it wasnt associated with the thread title.

lazycrockett said:

bottom line.... we are SICK AND TIRED of rrhof doing the same lame and disrespectful shit of putting certain black artist like war, chic, Donna summer, Rufus and chaka khan on their press release, telling the world that they might induct these artist into the hall, and then turn around and clown all of them by inducting the beastie boys who have sold a lot of albums sampling their music and diss all the black artist who put in much work in thing call music.

The Beastie Boys organist/kb player is Money Mark. Mario C was their longtime producer.

Other than that..

There are plenty of people who deserve to be there and it sucks that they keep getting overlooked. But that doesn't mean that the Beastie Boys don't deserve to be there, too. So ride that hate train over to a stop where somebody actually cares.

mjscarousal said:

MickyDolenz said:

You're just assuming. I never said there was or wasn't racism and I didn't say I cared about the Hall Of Fame or Grammys. I just came in here to say that the Beastie Boys played instruments, when the OP said they sampled only. In the other thread I even said that Alvin & The Chipmunks should be inducted. I also said that there was female baby genocide and a group getting into a museum is not important. Elvis and whites ripping off black music doesn't have anything to do with War, Beastie Boys, or the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame

It's yakking because you're only talking and not putting any effort to change what you feel is wrong. I don't care about who gets in the Hall Of Fame and not upset about who got in or who didn't, so why would I bother protesting? Since it seems to bother you, do something about it, fight for the cause. Anybody can talk, what good is it doing you? You say racism in the US is swept under the rug, and people are "whitewashed", well do something about it. Look at the women fighting for suffrage, African Americans fighting for civil rights, or women fighting to play high school and college sports in the 1970's. Carter G Woodson was one of the first to start writing about African American history. They didn't just sit around and talk, they put forth some action. Even PETA and Greenpeace gets out there, whether people like their methods or not.

Ive already said that mutiple of times and even said I dont know how the subject got brought up but since you disagree with it being related to this topic you justify and make excuses for Elvis and the prejudice against African Americans during an era where alot of blacks were snubbed because of racism ....

Ahh.. yea I have a problem with that because thats like trying to deny racism even existed in the first place. NO its not related in this case but the thread like it usually does in MOST cases changed in a different direction... so far what I get from you is since racism has nothing to do with why WAR didnt get inducted in RHOF 2011, I am going to make up excuses to shut down the possible reason blacks might not have receive their fair share of awards dued to racism because it has nothing to do with this thread... I mean seriously, WHO CARES if its not related to the topic?? lol It STILL a hidden fact in how it use to operate... thats ALL I'm saying... I already put the cards on the table and said that NO this is a off target subject BUT I am not going to sit here and deny facts that alot of posters pointed out either just because it doesnt relate in this situation.

Thats the thing... I havent ASSUMED anything LOL You have made your feelings clear... Just because racism has nothing to do with THIS particular situation doesnt mean it has NEVER happened because it HAS happened. You have made every excuse in the book to eclipse that. You have never mentioned or acknowledge the injustice against African Americans and how that affected politics in how awards were given at one point.

Once again I jumped into this conversation as well and dont think its associated with this particular topic but just because its not related doesnt mean you shut down a fact that is still true at the end of the day whether its related or not.

ALSO

Just because I show to be opinionated on alot of issues doesnt mean I am just talking and NOT doing anything about it.. you dont know shit about me... cause unlike most people things I believe in I exactly apply to my life and strive to make changes if it is something I want to make a difference in... thanks...

I dont think racism is swept under the rug but their are alot of spectrums, cracks, and factual info that America doesnt want to confront because they want us to remember it in a certain way but thats with alot of things NOT just racism and the only reason why I said that is because you have arrogantly and disrespectfully chose to not acknowledge something apart of history because you feel it is minor and not related to THIS topic when in reality RHOF have practiced it in the past

RKJCNE said:

mjscarousal said:

Ive already said that mutiple of times and even said I dont know how the subject got brought up but since you disagree with it being related to this topic you justify and make excuses for Elvis and the prejudice against African Americans during an era where alot of blacks were snubbed because of racism ....

Ahh.. yea I have a problem with that because thats like trying to deny racism even existed in the first place. NO its not related in this case but the thread like it usually does in MOST cases changed in a different direction... so far what I get from you is since racism has nothing to do with why WAR didnt get inducted in RHOF 2011, I am going to make up excuses to shut down the possible reason blacks might not have receive their fair share of awards dued to racism because it has nothing to do with this thread... I mean seriously, WHO CARES if its not related to the topic?? lol It STILL a hidden fact in how it use to operate... thats ALL I'm saying... I already put the cards on the table and said that NO this is a off target subject BUT I am not going to sit here and deny facts that alot of posters pointed out either just because it doesnt relate in this situation.

Thats the thing... I havent ASSUMED anything LOL You have made your feelings clear... Just because racism has nothing to do with THIS particular situation doesnt mean it has NEVER happened because it HAS happened. You have made every excuse in the book to eclipse that. You have never mentioned or acknowledge the injustice against African Americans and how that affected politics in how awards were given at one point.

Once again I jumped into this conversation as well and dont think its associated with this particular topic but just because its not related doesnt mean you shut down a fact that is still true at the end of the day whether its related or not.

ALSO

Just because I show to be opinionated on alot of issues doesnt mean I am just talking and NOT doing anything about it.. you dont know shit about me... cause unlike most people things I believe in I exactly apply to my life and strive to make changes if it is something I want to make a difference in... thanks...

I dont think racism is swept under the rug but their are alot of spectrums, cracks, and factual info that America doesnt want to confront because they want us to remember it in a certain way but thats with alot of things NOT just racism and the only reason why I said that is because you have arrogantly and disrespectfully chose to not acknowledge something apart of history because you feel it is minor and not related to THIS topic when in reality RHOF have practiced it in the past

smoothcriminal12 said:

I hate it when people dismiss sampling like it's nothing.

It's less than nothing, IMO.

RodeoSchro said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

I hate it when people dismiss sampling like it's nothing.

It's less than nothing, IMO.

Your loss.