banks is like....

"WAR, y'all. WAR!"

Cerebus said:

banks is like....

"WAR, y'all. WAR!"

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett said:

So GNR got in cause while they hate each other they aren't suing. How Blondie.

Pretty much. And if it's true that's that's what's going on with WAR than FUCK Lonnie Jordan. I don't care how influential you are, you don't fuck over your band members LIKE that. Fuck that. But I doubt half of GNR will show up lol

I don't know Lonnie well but the few times I met him he came off as a self centered, egotistical SOB who would stab his own mother in the back...I can't stand him and wasn't surprised by his betrayal.

Lonnie would rather work with the fake band so he can be the leader but trust me, Howard Scott is the heart and soul of WAR and Harold Brown and BB Dickerson are the life blood and Lee Oskar is the secret weapon!

Don't get me wrong, Lonnie is hella talented but he thinks it's all about him. The rest of the guys are very down to earth and cool to hang out with.

Hell, even tired ass Shitney Houston deserves to be in there before The Beastie Boys. At least she's an actual singer instead of a rapper. Rappers do deserve to get in there eventually, but only after every single singer and band has been inducted on down to the one hit wonders.

War shouldn't worry about it though because fuck the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Hell, fuck a R&B or Soul Hall of Fame also because if R&B or soul ain't funk related, I ain't got time for it.

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namepeace said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah and WAR is far from the only group to not get in while their predecessors have. Like why Bowie got inducted before Bolan? If the New York Dolls are nominated - and are inducted - that can open the door for KISS. I know how this Hall of Fame operates... it's no shock why WAR didn't get in, neither why Donna didn't get in or Chaka or what not.

Simple truth is, among the Hall voters have blind spots that ultimately keep a lot of successful or groundbreaking acts from getting in.

- Disco is constantly passed over.

- Arena rock acts of the 70's, especially KISS, are passed over.

- Funk is often overlooked.

- Acts that blend musical traditions -- WAR being perhaps the most obvious example -- are overlooked.

Hell, take away Purple Rain and Prince, for the depth of his musical canon, may still be on the outside looking in.

Funk and disco is just too hard and rhythmic for them. It's that "jungle music" as they used to call it publicly but now call it privately. It's too "black" for them.

As for the extremely hard rock acts, that's just it, it's just too "hard" for them. The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Grammys, etc. remind me of a soccer mom's version of honoring rock. It has to be an extremely well selling act that all ages of white people get into. If it's a black act, it has to be one that crossed over and is hugely well known in the white world but if it's got that "jungle" rhythm to it, it stays out. The only reason folks like Prince or Michael Jackson/The Jacksons got in is because they are such huge icons that it would look stupid if they weren't inducted.

Years have passed by and more and more people will be eligible. Watch what I tell you. Nice "safe" folks like Shitney Houston and Anita Baker will get in before the funk and disco acts do.

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

Pretty much. And if it's true that's that's what's going on with WAR than FUCK Lonnie Jordan. I don't care how influential you are, you don't fuck over your band members LIKE that. Fuck that. But I doubt half of GNR will show up lol

I don't know Lonnie well but the few times I met him he came off as a self centered, egotistical SOB who would stab his own mother in the back...I can't stand him and wasn't surprised by his betrayal.

Lonnie would rather work with the fake band so he can be the leader but trust me, Howard Scott is the heart and soul of WAR and Harold Brown and BB Dickerson are the life blood and Lee Oskar is the secret weapon!

Don't get me wrong, Lonnie is hella talented but he thinks it's all about him. The rest of the guys are very down to earth and cool to hang out with.

I saw Lonnie and his "fake" War band in concert and I decided that I would never pay to see them again.I hate the idea of seeing a fake band when the original members are still alive.Lonnie should be ashamed of himself.

Harlepolis said:

Gunsnhalen said:

I literally just posed this on the last page but i will say it again

Wow another white hate response thread. Look war is great! But so is the beastie boys & red hot chilli peppers. Yes they where inspired by african american music and? I also ate a pickle today! Wanna talk about more shit that doesn't matter? This is about the music, they all have made great music. War is a killer funk band and they deserve there place! No doubt, the beastie boys mixed punk & rap and made it something unique. And they used samples in a very clever way and some groundbreaking videos. The chilli peppers are kings of alternative, also my aunt is a dj... said rhcp is the only group she played on every stationshe worked at. They appeal to rockers, funksters, heavy metal, even r&b. And make unique music by fantastic, respected musicians. The r&r hall of fame is a joke anyway....

But really the RHCP they where the first to play the rock & the funk like they did. Not even the greats like The Stones, Led Zeppelin, The Beatles. Played the funk rock by mainstrem rock artists. And they brought a lot of humor along with great ballads.

How in the hell is it a white hate thread?

So, according to your logic, anybody who points out the award ceremonies blatant dissmisal of artists from the R&B/Funk/Soul categories automatically "hate" white folks?

Gotta love the org, sometime

I can see people's frustrations with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's dismissal of R&B/funk/soul acts because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened that can of worms up by inducting any of those types of acts to begin with. When you start something, you have to continue it.

The way I see it, if it was started as the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, then it should have remained rock acts only. Not R&B acts, not soul acts, not disco acts, not funk acts, not country acts, not adult contemporary acts, and not pop acts either. Strictly rock acts and rock acts only. It should have nothing to do with race either. White acts like ABBA, Elton John, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Human League, etc. shouldn't be inducted either. Those are pop acts, not rock or rock and roll acts. As for the black acts, it should have been the pioneers such as Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, etc. but when it branched on into the Motown era, those acts shouldn't be in there. Those are R&B acts. When you get on into the 1970s and 1980s, then there's Thin Lizzy, The Bus Boys, Living Color, Lenny Kravitz, etc. I don't even think Michael Jackson or The Jacksons should be in there either. "Beat It", "Black or White", etc. are rock songs but the majority of the rest of the albums are either R&B or pop. One rock song per album does not make an artist a rock artist. If a diverse artist like Michael Jackson or Prince has enough "rock" songs to compete with other full fledged rock artists, then they should be in there but if they don't, they shouldn't. If it's going to be called the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, keep it strictly rock and rock only.

I personally would love to see a Funk Hall of Fame and it should be treated the same way. None of the R&B icons like Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, etc. inducted. Strictly folks like Rick James, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Cameo, Roger and Zapp, etc. Prince, as diverse as he is, should be in there also because he's made enough funk to compete. The same rules to apply with the white artists. Only folks like The Average White Band, KC and The Sunshine Band, Teena Marie, etc.

I've always been more into appreciation to an actual genre rather than throwing everyone into one category because that makes artists, especially black artists, want to water and "whiten" things down because they feel like they haven't actually "arrived" until they reach that pop recognition, translation "white" recognition. But a big part of the problem is, when you do have charts, awards shows, and hall of fames honoring genres such as R&B, funk, soul, etc., a lot of people, especially white people, dismiss their success with an attitude like...."Oh, that's just the black chart"....Just look at Prince as a perfect example. Lots of people make statements all the time that Prince was "unknown", "underground", etc. up until "Little Red Corvette". No matter how high he charted on the R&B chart before it, they act as if he didn't "arrive" until he got on that pop chart and stayed on it. That kind of thinking is why we don't have all the different genres that we used to have because everyone wants to reach that pop status these days.

That's why I think The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be strictly rock and rock only. Other Hall of Fames for other genres need to pop up and keep their rules strict too. But as I said before, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is nothing more than a "Pop Hall of Fame".

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

How in the hell is it a white hate thread?

So, according to your logic, anybody who points out the award ceremonies blatant dissmisal of artists from the R&B/Funk/Soul categories automatically "hate" white folks?

Gotta love the org, sometime

I can see people's frustrations with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's dismissal of R&B/funk/soul acts because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened that can of worms up by inducting any of those types of acts to begin with. When you start something, you have to continue it.

The way I see it, if it was started as the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, then it should have remained rock acts only. Not R&B acts, not soul acts, not disco acts, not funk acts, not country acts, not adult contemporary acts, and not pop acts either. Strictly rock acts and rock acts only. It should have nothing to do with race either. White acts like ABBA, Elton John, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Human League, etc. shouldn't be inducted either. Those are pop acts, not rock or rock and roll acts. As for the black acts, it should have been the pioneers such as Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, etc. but when it branched on into the Motown era, those acts shouldn't be in there. Those are R&B acts. When you get on into the 1970s and 1980s, then there's Thin Lizzy, The Bus Boys, Living Color, Lenny Kravitz, etc. I don't even think Michael Jackson or The Jacksons should be in there either. "Beat It", "Black or White", etc. are rock songs but the majority of the rest of the albums are either R&B or pop. One rock song per album does not make an artist a rock artist. If a diverse artist like Michael Jackson or Prince has enough "rock" songs to compete with other full fledged rock artists, then they should be in there but if they don't, they shouldn't. If it's going to be called the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, keep it strictly rock and rock only.

I personally would love to see a Funk Hall of Fame and it should be treated the same way. None of the R&B icons like Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, etc. inducted. Strictly folks like Rick James, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Cameo, Roger and Zapp, etc. Prince, as diverse as he is, should be in there also because he's made enough funk to compete. The same rules to apply with the white artists. Only folks like The Average White Band, KC and The Sunshine Band, Teena Marie, etc.

I've always been more into appreciation to an actual genre rather than throwing everyone into one category because that makes artists, especially black artists, want to water and "whiten" things down because they feel like they haven't actually "arrived" until they reach that pop recognition, translation "white" recognition. But a big part of the problem is, when you do have charts, awards shows, and hall of fames honoring genres such as R&B, funk, soul, etc., a lot of people, especially white people, dismiss their success with an attitude like...."Oh, that's just the black chart"....Just look at Prince as a perfect example. Lots of people make statements all the time that Prince was "unknown", "underground", etc. up until "Little Red Corvette". No matter how high he charted on the R&B chart before it, they act as if he didn't "arrive" until he got on that pop chart and stayed on it. That kind of thinking is why we don't have all the different genres that we used to have because everyone wants to reach that pop status these days.

That's why I think The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be strictly rock and rock only. Other Hall of Fames for other genres need to pop up and keep their rules strict too. But as I said before, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is nothing more than a "Pop Hall of Fame".

In that vein, I say R&B IS the original rock and roll, which was called, "race music," "jungle music," and worse, in its infancy. But there's a reason they simply call it "rock" now; it rarely "rolls."

The most beloved rock bands and artists of the 60's, which still define rock as a genre basically built their sound around blues, r&b and soul fundamentals. As many of those bands began to experiment, and draft away with edgier sounds, they simply called it "rock."

The children of rhythm and blues -- soul, disco, hip-hop -- are therefore rock and roll. I do think rock critics lose sight of that, and that goes especially for HOF voters.

Cerebus said:

I'd like to throw The Cure into this "not in the RRHOF, do they deserve to be" conversation as well.

Formed in 1973

First album released in 1979

Released more than 20 albums

Released countless EPs and singles with non-album tracks

Had a huge impact on modern rock/alternative/college radio

Influenced at least two generations, maybe three, of musicians who came after them in the alternative world

Still playing sold out THREE HOUR shows all around the world (like, three shows at The Beacon in NYC a couple weeks ago)

Yet something tells me they'll forever fall into the same area Rush and KISS occupy that the HOF seems to ignore.

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While they deserve to be in I doubt that they will for a while. Its weird in the US they are almost considered heavy metal, specially after they kinda became mainstream.

The Cure won't get in until 2015...

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babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

Pretty much. And if it's true that's that's what's going on with WAR than FUCK Lonnie Jordan. I don't care how influential you are, you don't fuck over your band members LIKE that. Fuck that. But I doubt half of GNR will show up lol

I don't know Lonnie well but the few times I met him he came off as a self centered, egotistical SOB who would stab his own mother in the back...I can't stand him and wasn't surprised by his betrayal.

Lonnie would rather work with the fake band so he can be the leader but trust me, Howard Scott is the heart and soul of WAR and Harold Brown and BB Dickerson are the life blood and Lee Oskar is the secret weapon!

Don't get me wrong, Lonnie is hella talented but he thinks it's all about him. The rest of the guys are very down to earth and cool to hang out with.

I see. It's fucked up how the story of WAR has become. Even more tragic than them not being able to get in the HOF for the fifth time.

namepeace said:

How many people have actually talked to Howard E Scott besides the person who interviewed him?

TMZ's job is stir stuff up. That's what they get paid for and that gets them advertising dollars.

Howard is a personal friend, Uncle and brother. I have spent time on the road with Howard, Harold, Lee and BB. I also spent time with Lonnie and his hired guns. I don't like what has happened but I actually got along (for a little while) with the Tribute WAR band. I have a lot of respect for Tex especially after he quit that fake WAR Band. Howard is not pissed at The Beastie Boys. He is unbelievably pretty calm. I spoke to him this afternoon (Pacific time). He lives in Texas so there is a time difference. People can talk, make assumptions and post whatever they want. We live in America. Howard has been snubbed by The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. He made a comment and it is a justifiable comment.

How can The Beastie Boys get inducted when they sampled my music? Makes sense to me.

Some people think certain band members are more important than others. That is crazy.

Don't they know who Lee Oskar is? Howard? Charles Miller? Papa Dee?

http://youtu.be/SZ-I0C5CIs8 link to soundcheck in LA.

I have attached an email response to an email that I received from Harold Brown (drummer of WAR) asking, "What were my thoughts on WAR being snubbed by The RRHOF.

I don't know what to say. I think that you know where my heart, ears and loyalty lie. The worse part is that you deserve to have been inducted years ago and it is a travesty that the band isn't inducted. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is supposed to be hallowed ground and it is supposed to be the home of what is best in music. I thought that it was the home of the innovators, musicians who were cutting edge and the Creators of sound. Music to me, is a blend of sound that touches your heart, expands your mind and warms your soul. Although, I am not a musician (which breaks my heart), I love music. When I was a kid, I had this Uncle and he would always take me places with him. We would cruise in his car, even though I did not know I was cruising. He taught me many things but for me, the best thing he showed me was the love of music. He thad this 8 track player in this 1965 Chevy SS Impala and he would play all kinds of music from Chicago, Santana, The Beatles and this band called WAR. He would take me to the Drive In and he would blast his crappy 8 track player during intermission. I don't know why and I can't explain it but WAR touched my soul. There were no other tapes that had that blend of music. WAR's sound was different and it was original. I don't know of any other group that had a harmonica in almost every song. I have been bummed out since I found out that WAR wasn't inducted and as you can see, I just typed a bunch of words and I don't even know if I answered the question. At first, I thought. MAYBE The RRHoF did not want to deal with the drama of a band with unresolved ISSUES but that can't be true. If that were the case, WHY did they induct (that band that I cannot stand) Guns N Roses? IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE! I love you guys (BB, HB, Howard & Lee) and I wish that they would have inducted the band and it hurts to know that you belong there. You guys are the best and you let me experience the magic that you make first hand. I don't know what else to add except I made an effort to let people know where to vote and who I thought they should vote for... and it wasn't The Beastie Boys are (A COMEDY ACT) NOT MUSICIANS!

wanting to be in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame is the first sign you don't belong in it.

...The Beastie Boys are (A COMEDY ACT) NOT MUSICIANS!

goddamn...the beastie boys deserve to be in. the beastie boys have nothing to do with war not getting in. when all this b boy bashing gets war into the hall of fame, somebody let me know.

I think that when you have a career in music that includes creating music that is mainstream and sells millions of copies, you deserve certain accolades.

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peedub said:

...The Beastie Boys are (A COMEDY ACT) NOT MUSICIANS!

goddamn...the beastie boys deserve to be in. the beastie boys have nothing to do with war not getting in. when all this b boy bashing gets war into the hall of fame, somebody let me know.

I stand by my comment. No cussing, no hate. Just my opinion.

Comedy is not pretty.

Steve Martin

ElCallejero said:

I think that when you have a career in music that includes creating music that is mainstream and sells millions of copies, you deserve certain accolades.

In that case Alvin & The Chipmunks should be inducted. They've been around long before War or the Beastie Boys existed.

ElCallejero said:

How many people have actually talked to Howard E Scott besides the person who interviewed him?

TMZ's job is stir stuff up. That's what they get paid for and that gets them advertising dollars.

Howard is a personal friend, Uncle and brother. I have spent time on the road with Howard, Harold, Lee and BB. I also spent time with Lonnie and his hired guns. I don't like what has happened but I actually got along (for a little while) with the Tribute WAR band. I have a lot of respect for Tex especially after he quit that fake WAR Band. Howard is not pissed at The Beastie Boys. He is unbelievably pretty calm. I spoke to him this afternoon (Pacific time). He lives in Texas so there is a time difference. People can talk, make assumptions and post whatever they want. We live in America. Howard has been snubbed by The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. He made a comment and it is a justifiable comment.

How can The Beastie Boys get inducted when they sampled my music? Makes sense to me.

Some people think certain band members are more important than others. That is crazy.

Don't they know who Lee Oskar is? Howard? Charles Miller? Papa Dee?

http://youtu.be/SZ-I0C5CIs8 link to soundcheck in LA.

I have attached an email response to an email that I received from Harold Brown (drummer of WAR) asking, "What were my thoughts on WAR being snubbed by The RRHOF.

I don't know what to say. I think that you know where my heart, ears and loyalty lie. The worse part is that you deserve to have been inducted years ago and it is a travesty that the band isn't inducted. The Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is supposed to be hallowed ground and it is supposed to be the home of what is best in music. I thought that it was the home of the innovators, musicians who were cutting edge and the Creators of sound. Music to me, is a blend of sound that touches your heart, expands your mind and warms your soul. Although, I am not a musician (which breaks my heart), I love music. When I was a kid, I had this Uncle and he would always take me places with him. We would cruise in his car, even though I did not know I was cruising. He taught me many things but for me, the best thing he showed me was the love of music. He thad this 8 track player in this 1965 Chevy SS Impala and he would play all kinds of music from Chicago, Santana, The Beatles and this band called WAR. He would take me to the Drive In and he would blast his crappy 8 track player during intermission. I don't know why and I can't explain it but WAR touched my soul. There were no other tapes that had that blend of music. WAR's sound was different and it was original. I don't know of any other group that had a harmonica in almost every song. I have been bummed out since I found out that WAR wasn't inducted and as you can see, I just typed a bunch of words and I don't even know if I answered the question. At first, I thought. MAYBE The RRHoF did not want to deal with the drama of a band with unresolved ISSUES but that can't be true. If that were the case, WHY did they induct (that band that I cannot stand) Guns N Roses? IT DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE! I love you guys (BB, HB, Howard & Lee) and I wish that they would have inducted the band and it hurts to know that you belong there. You guys are the best and you let me experience the magic that you make first hand. I don't know what else to add except I made an effort to let people know where to vote and who I thought they should vote for... and it wasn't The Beastie Boys are (A COMEDY ACT) NOT MUSICIANS!

Right on bro! I can honestly say that Howard is one of the coolest dudes I've ever met and considering what he and the Lowriders have been through for all these years, the HOF thing is truly adding insult to injury.

I actually wrote a letter to the HOF back in '09 on their behalf because I was so upset.

I remember when Tex Nakamura left the tribute band...he must have been fed up.

WAR was unique and their sound was distinctive even amongst other bands of the era and it makes me sick the way they continually get overlooked and never receive the credit due to them. I don't see the beastie boys being on their level at all.

Please give the Lowriders my regards.

peedub said:

...The Beastie Boys are (A COMEDY ACT) NOT MUSICIANS!

goddamn...the beastie boys deserve to be in. the beastie boys have nothing to do with war not getting in. when all this b boy bashing gets war into the hall of fame, somebody let me know.

Don't worry about it. People need to let their steam loose, they're doing it wrong dissing three boys from Brooklyn who did good.

MickyDolenz said:

ElCallejero said:

I think that when you have a career in music that includes creating music that is mainstream and sells millions of copies, you deserve certain accolades.

In that case Alvin & The Chipmunks should be inducted. They've been around long before War or the Beastie Boys existed.

WTF? The Original members of WAR have toured, they have suffered and they also have reaped the rewards of working hard and creating REAL music but maybe you attended a Chipunks on Ice concert? I really don't know but if that what floats your boat...

If you spent any time with BB, Harold, Howard, Lee or Lonnie whatsoever or educated yourself let's say on Wikipedia, maybe you could make an educated comment.

But with a name like Mickey Dolenz...I sincerely doubt it. A member of another fabricated plastic band who tried to breakaway from their handlers and disappeared into an old cover teeny bopper magazine.

Maybe you should also use the alias's Leif Garrett, Shaun Cassidy or David Cassidy to name a few.

^You know in the other thread I said just shake it off and move on, but now go ahead and stew in it, that will do ya loads of good.

Too bad they didn't get in. Something is wrong with the RRHOF.

I'm only going to watch to see what the hell GNR might or might not be doing.

ElCallejero said:

Wikipedia

I like the Beastie Boys. They probably deserve to get in but not before War.

I've been pissed at the R&RHOF since they voted friggin Guns n Roses in before Rush. They (R&RHOF) ain't shit!

vainandy said:

Harlepolis said:

How in the hell is it a white hate thread?

So, according to your logic, anybody who points out the award ceremonies blatant dissmisal of artists from the R&B/Funk/Soul categories automatically "hate" white folks?

Gotta love the org, sometime

I can see people's frustrations with the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's dismissal of R&B/funk/soul acts because the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame opened that can of worms up by inducting any of those types of acts to begin with. When you start something, you have to continue it.

The way I see it, if it was started as the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, then it should have remained rock acts only. Not R&B acts, not soul acts, not disco acts, not funk acts, not country acts, not adult contemporary acts, and not pop acts either. Strictly rock acts and rock acts only. It should have nothing to do with race either. White acts like ABBA, Elton John, Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Human League, etc. shouldn't be inducted either. Those are pop acts, not rock or rock and roll acts. As for the black acts, it should have been the pioneers such as Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Jimi Hendrix, etc. but when it branched on into the Motown era, those acts shouldn't be in there. Those are R&B acts. When you get on into the 1970s and 1980s, then there's Thin Lizzy, The Bus Boys, Living Color, Lenny Kravitz, etc. I don't even think Michael Jackson or The Jacksons should be in there either. "Beat It", "Black or White", etc. are rock songs but the majority of the rest of the albums are either R&B or pop. One rock song per album does not make an artist a rock artist. If a diverse artist like Michael Jackson or Prince has enough "rock" songs to compete with other full fledged rock artists, then they should be in there but if they don't, they shouldn't. If it's going to be called the "Rock and Roll" Hall of Fame, keep it strictly rock and rock only.

I personally would love to see a Funk Hall of Fame and it should be treated the same way. None of the R&B icons like Aretha Franklin, Smokey Robinson, Marvin Gaye, etc. inducted. Strictly folks like Rick James, Parliament/Funkadelic, The Barkays, Con Funk Shun, Cameo, Roger and Zapp, etc. Prince, as diverse as he is, should be in there also because he's made enough funk to compete. The same rules to apply with the white artists. Only folks like The Average White Band, KC and The Sunshine Band, Teena Marie, etc.

I've always been more into appreciation to an actual genre rather than throwing everyone into one category because that makes artists, especially black artists, want to water and "whiten" things down because they feel like they haven't actually "arrived" until they reach that pop recognition, translation "white" recognition. But a big part of the problem is, when you do have charts, awards shows, and hall of fames honoring genres such as R&B, funk, soul, etc., a lot of people, especially white people, dismiss their success with an attitude like...."Oh, that's just the black chart"....Just look at Prince as a perfect example. Lots of people make statements all the time that Prince was "unknown", "underground", etc. up until "Little Red Corvette". No matter how high he charted on the R&B chart before it, they act as if he didn't "arrive" until he got on that pop chart and stayed on it. That kind of thinking is why we don't have all the different genres that we used to have because everyone wants to reach that pop status these days.

That's why I think The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame should be strictly rock and rock only. Other Hall of Fames for other genres need to pop up and keep their rules strict too. But as I said before, The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is nothing more than a "Pop Hall of Fame".

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. What a shame! Hopefully they will wake up one day and do the right thing. Anyway,,,,,,,,,,,,,

MickyDolenz said:

ElCallejero said:

Wikipedia

It's cool if they sample but it is not the same as playing an instrument and creating your own music.

I have a couple Beastie Boy's cd's myself. The thing is that I don't take them serious and they were not cutting edge. There were rappers before them and I don't think that they made any significant contribution to the advancement of music or style. Unless, you consider being

The Three Stooges of RAP and Hip Hop a contribution? I can see Run DMC, Afrika Soul Bambaataa, LL Cool J and there are many more East Coast rappers who contributed a lot more than The Beastie Boys. The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Would Lennon and McCartney, Prince, Sly Stone, Kurt Cobain, Stevie Wonder be considered the genius's that they are if they had a catalog like The Boys from Brooklyn?

Just a thought.

ElCallejero said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's cool if they sample but it is not the same as playing an instrument and creating your own music.

I have a couple Beastie Boy's cd's myself. The thing is that I don't take them serious and they were not cutting edge. There were rappers before them and I don't think that they made any significant contribution to the advancement of music or style. Unless, you consider being

The Three Stooges of RAP and Hip Hop a contribution? I can see Run DMC, Afrika Soul Bambaataa, LL Cool J and there are many more East Coast rappers who contributed a lot more than The Beastie Boys. The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control.

If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Would Lennon and McCartney, Prince, Sly Stone, Kurt Cobain, Stevie Wonder be considered the genius's that they are if they had a catalog like The Boys from Brooklyn?

Just a thought.

Preach the truth bro! I could use that bolded line over in the P&R forum right about now...

ElCallejero said:

Hell, even I can be a music snob!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Anybody can write anything on Wiki. Are you going to recommend the Weekly World News next?

I know who my friends are and none of them are you Mickey.

I think Toni Basil is your only fan (LMAO). Take care and God Bless.

el_callejero

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