Madonna stole from Jody Watley , Jody has been vocal about that.…

TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

Oh, for fuck's sake. This old thing again?

There have been numerous threads on the org alone about it in the last decade.

Oh get off your high horse. bell hooks' cultural criticism of Madonna makes great discussions.

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I guess. But it's discussion that's been made for the last 15 years every time some newb runs across it. You do realize how old this essay is, right? It's more played out than that Jay-Z/Illuminati bullshit you're hung up on.

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errant said:

TonyVanDam said:

Oh get off your high horse. bell hooks' cultural criticism of Madonna makes great discussions.

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I guess. But it's discussion that's been made for the last 15 years every time some newb runs across it. You do realize how old this essay is, right? It's more played out than that Jay-Z/Illuminati bullshit you're hung up on.

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WTF do you know?!? You're a Satanist!

TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

I guess. But it's discussion that's been made for the last 15 years every time some newb runs across it. You do realize how old this essay is, right? It's more played out than that Jay-Z/Illuminati bullshit you're hung up on.

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WTF do you know?!? You're a Satanist!

You're god damn right I am. How's that hex I put on you?

This is nothing more than her talking about her experience with black men...which turned out to be a bit negative...and like someone with non common sense ..says it inappropriately on her interview...she should have said (or if she did at least) "my experience with black men has been..." blaze blaze.

No one is perfect. I still haven't got over Beyonce talking shit about Janet, or Prince's 'acceptance' of gay people...but it is the music that matters at the end of the day imo. She hasnt made an immediate racist remark that she hates black people in particular because they are black; where stereotypical responses can either hit someone emotionally or not (which means the person needs to be re-educated) it is up to the individual to remember it, forgive and move on or quit listening to the artist altogether.

errant said:

TonyVanDam said:

WTF do you know?!? You're a Satanist!

You're god damn right I am. How's that hex I put on you?

You need to go back to your local occult gift shop and get a full refund because your hex FAILED. Or many you didn't lick that goat's ass good enough!

TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

You're god damn right I am. How's that hex I put on you?

You need to go back to your local occult gift shop and get a full refund because your hex FAILED. Or many you didn't lick that goat's ass good enough!

You still haven't grown any brain cells. My hex worked just fine, it seems.

sosgemini said:

This whole article is rendered moot by the introduction od Rhiahna and BWeave.

I'm pretty sure if she wrote an article on them, it would bore me into a coma, .

errant said:

TonyVanDam said:

You need to go back to your local occult gift shop and get a full refund because your hex FAILED. Or many you didn't lick that goat's ass good enough!

You still haven't grown any brain cells. My hex worked just fine, it seems.

My brain cells are excellent. The real problem is that you're still an agent and you will NEVER have the courage to see me in person to repeat every negative comment you have made about me in the past OR present to my face.

Just like an Illuminati-driven pawn/slave that you have chosen to be, there is nothing about you surprised me anymore Errant. Nonetheless, I'm moving on from your petty foolishness. Live AND die in your rage against me for all I care.

KemiVA said:

sosgemini said:

This whole article is rendered moot by the introduction od Rhiahna and BWeave.

I'm pretty sure if she wrote an article on them, it would bore me into a coma, .

Dr. bell hooks would be wasting her time writing any cultural criticism about Beyonce or Rihanna. Why bother when Professor Griff, Vigilant Citizen, Dr. Steve Cokey, and many others have plenty of criticisms about those industry whores already?!?

TonyVanDam said:

errant said:

You still haven't grown any brain cells. My hex worked just fine, it seems.

My brain cells are excellent. The real problem is that you're still an agent and you will NEVER have the courage to see me in person to repeat every negative comment you have made about me in the past OR present to my face.

Just like an Illuminati-driven pawn/slave that you have chosen to be, there is nothing about you surprised me anymore Errant. Nonetheless, I'm moving on from your petty foolishness. Live AND die in your rage against me for all I care.

pawn/slave? I'm in the inner circle bud. Oooga Booga!

MidniteMagnet said:

TonyVanDam said:

Help me find a link to that essay so I can re-rdit my opening post.

Here you go:

http://stevenstanley.trip...donna.html

It's very poorly written, but I'm hoping that's just the transcription. She makes some bizarre claims. Her entire argument is invalid anyway because Madonna is a black woman. She had 1 black relative back in the 1700s so according to the one drop rule she is black. I just talked to Halle Berry and she agrees.

*I have no problem with people trashing Madonna because I don't take stuff like that personally. I love her music but I don't care if someone else doesn't like her. I mean, I don't like seafood but some other people do. I'm not going to crticize them for it and adopt a holier-than-thou attitude. I can give an objective opinion.*

As someone with a BA in sociology, I found this article interesting but I think it's poorly written. She doesn't give much evidence to back up her claims of Madonna appropriating black culture. It's all just conjecture that's informed by her own personal experiences that existed long before she ever heard of Madonna.

Besides, if we don't appropriate cultures we'll possibly end up separatists. Appropriation isn't always bad. There's a difference between a white woman wearing blackface and a white woman getting box braids because she thinks it's pretty.

You don't need a BA in sociology to know that Madonna appropriated black culture. All you need is a set of eyes, a set of ears, some old videos and a knowledge of music history to know that.

Now one thing she is - a user. She will use whatever and whoever to get what she wants. She has proven that time and time again. I don't think anyone could love herself more than Madonna does. She's a self-absorbed chick and that lies at the root of every industry move she makes.

BlaqueKnight said:

MidniteMagnet said:

Here you go:

http://stevenstanley.trip...donna.html

It's very poorly written, but I'm hoping that's just the transcription. She makes some bizarre claims. Her entire argument is invalid anyway because Madonna is a black woman. She had 1 black relative back in the 1700s so according to the one drop rule she is black. I just talked to Halle Berry and she agrees.

*I have no problem with people trashing Madonna because I don't take stuff like that personally. I love her music but I don't care if someone else doesn't like her. I mean, I don't like seafood but some other people do. I'm not going to crticize them for it and adopt a holier-than-thou attitude. I can give an objective opinion.*

As someone with a BA in sociology, I found this article interesting but I think it's poorly written. She doesn't give much evidence to back up her claims of Madonna appropriating black culture. It's all just conjecture that's informed by her own personal experiences that existed long before she ever heard of Madonna.

Besides, if we don't appropriate cultures we'll possibly end up separatists. Appropriation isn't always bad. There's a difference between a white woman wearing blackface and a white woman getting box braids because she thinks it's pretty.

You don't need a BA in sociology to know that Madonna appropriated black culture. All you need is a set of eyes, a set of ears, some old videos and a knowledge of music history to know that.

That being said, everybody knows that Madonna will just say shit on a whim sometimes depending on her mood.

She didn't fuck all those brothas because she doesn't like black people and she didn't "borrow" her early sound because she doesn't like black culture. This brother-lovin muther ain't foolin' nobody.

Now one thing she is - a user. She will use whatever and whoever to get what she wants. She has proven that time and time again. I don't think anyone could love herself more than Madonna does. She's a self-absorbed chick and that lies at the root of every industry move she makes.

Madonna did have sexual relations with Dennis Rodman. Dennis himself comfirmed THAT true story in his first autobiography, As Bad As I Wanna Be. He wrote an entire chapter about everything right AND wrong about his relationship with her, raw and uncut.

TonyVanDam said:

Madonna did have sexual relations with Dennis Rodman. Dennis himself comfirmed THAT true story in his first autobiography, As Bad As I Wanna Be. He wrote an entire chapter about everything right AND wrong about his relationship with her, raw and uncut.

She did more brothas than Rodman. A lot more.

BlaqueKnight said:

TonyVanDam said:

Madonna did have sexual relations with Dennis Rodman. Dennis himself comfirmed THAT true story in his first autobiography, As Bad As I Wanna Be. He wrote an entire chapter about everything right AND wrong about his relationship with her, raw and uncut.

She did more brothas than Rodman. A lot more.

Even today, I'm surprise that 2pac admitted that he and Madonna were close. I never gotten around to pinpoint exactly when in the early 1990's did they even hooked up.

TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:

She did more brothas than Rodman. A lot more.

Even today, I'm surprise that 2pac admitted that he and Madonna were close. I never gotten around to pinpoint exactly when in the early 1990's did they even hooked up.

paisleypark4 said:

TonyVanDam said:

Even today, I'm surprise that 2pac admitted that he and Madonna were close. I never gotten around to pinpoint exactly when in the early 1990's did they even hooked up.

Didnt she date Basquiat too? They would have made a very intresting odd couple to watch.

I don't know. But that is a good question.

Madonna's been intimate with all sorts of people but people who've known her say she wasn't completely promiscuous. Maybe when she first moved to NYC, but she tried to hook up with people who helped her along the way. She'd date, get bored, burn the bridge, then move on to someone else. Not all of her brothers and sisters think she's so wonderful, but she's helped her dad out.

She worked with Nile on "Like a Virgin" and wrote a lot of songs meant for the dance club, but she's done stuff with Bjork and William Orbit, and had Gogol Bordello do some shows with her. And let's not forget that weird accent she had going for a while.

When she comes up with new music, she has to figure ways to stay relevant. Sometimes she's taken the controversial route which backfired once in a while.

But when she hooked up with Dennis, she had full on baby fever going.

She'd prob. be the first to admit she's not the best singer in the world, and very few songs were written by her. She knows how to market herself really well and make impact, but as of late she's staying out of the limelight and letting her daughter and Kelly Osbourne be the face on a clothing line she's backing, directing films, and kind of living a quieter life as she grows older. This last tour she did plus the collection of songs for "Celebration" were kind of an end of an era. She'll prob. do something with Lady Gaga and still put out music, but won't be her main focus.

In NYC in 1981, it truly was a small group of artists & musicians that have made a lot of impact in the world.

TonyVanDam said:

paisleypark4 said:

Didnt she date Basquiat too? They would have made a very intresting odd couple to watch.

I don't know. But that is a good question.

i remember when the spin article came out, ernest hardy, another black writer/social commentator, also noted the b.s. statement madonna made. he didn't bring up sean penn, but bell makes a very good point.

sean fucking penn ties your ass up to a chair, trusses you like a turkey, beats the shit out of you and yet and BLACK MEN have been the most disrespectful to you???!!! did rodman and tupac do that to her? no because if they had, we would have never have heard the end of it.

hardy went on to wonder if madonna had ever dated a black doctor, professional, or someone who came from a good home, instead of someone like rodman who came from a troubled home. maybe it wasn't/isn't race that's at issue here. instead of blaming 'black culture' how about she blame herself for her own poor decisions.

i was lurking on another board where they were talking about one of the lead dancers in truth or dare. the poster noted how surprised they were at the way the dancer was behaving in the film as opposed to the way he knew him to be in real life. he was trying not to use the word 'ghetto', i guess, but i understood what he was getting at. maybe he felt he had to act a certain way, lest he not be acceptable to madonna. i felt the same way about nikki harris after i saw her singing at a free concert in our old home town of benton harbor, mi. she was nothing like that woman i saw in the film.

i think that if they weren't behaving in a 'ghetto' fashion, or otherwise conforming to madonna's ideas of 'blackness', then she wouldn't have asked them to be on her tour. i particularly agree with bell b/c i remember seeing that film years ago and being offended by madonna's comments that these people were emotional cripples and how she was obviously getting off on playing 'great white mama' to them.

madonna might like to screw black and hispanic men because it gives her a certain 'edge' in the eyes of some. but i notice that she married white men who were both well respected in their professions, and particularly in the case of ritchie, was ready to conform within the boundaries of patriarchial expectations.