BlaqueKnight said:

Militant said:

Are you guys serious? It's from "The Wizard Of Oz" movie.

How could people not know this?

4 sho...........it's ONLY been around 4 damn near a CENTURY.

Dewrede said:

^

oh lawrd

the guy was making a JOKE

I didn't get it, or what's funny about it.

Spinlight said:

MickyDolenz said:

I watch little television, and when I do watch it, it's mostly PBS or the local rerun channel (Beverly Hillbillies, Sanford & Son, Flying Nun, A-Team, etc).

The Wizard of Oz has permeated essentially every cultural avenue there is since its major success. From colloquialisms (following the yellow brick road, wicked witch of the ___, there's no place like home) to music to television to the silver screen to art to politics to crime. While it may somehow be possible to completely avoid any and all references to The Wizard of Oz one would encounter in their daily, normal, everyday life, that person is woefully uninformed and shockingly ignorant.

I don't follow politics, nor crime.

MickyDolenz said:

Dewrede said:

^

oh lawrd

the guy was making a JOKE

I didn't get it, or what's funny about it.

same here

Spinlight said:

MickyDolenz said:

I watch little television, and when I do watch it, it's mostly PBS or the local rerun channel (Beverly Hillbillies, Sanford & Son, Flying Nun, A-Team, etc).

The Wizard of Oz has permeated essentially every cultural avenue there is since its major success. From colloquialisms (following the yellow brick road, wicked witch of the ___, there's no place like home) to music to television to the silver screen to art to politics to crime. While it may somehow be possible to completely avoid any and all references to The Wizard of Oz one would encounter in their daily, normal, everyday life, that person is woefully uninformed and shockingly ignorant.

Don't forget, "Toto, I've a feeling we're not in Kansas, anymore." And "friend of Dorothy." That's a super important one.

Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

The Wizard of Oz has permeated essentially every cultural avenue there is since its major success. From colloquialisms (following the yellow brick road, wicked witch of the ___, there's no place like home) to music to television to the silver screen to art to politics to crime. While it may somehow be possible to completely avoid any and all references to The Wizard of Oz one would encounter in their daily, normal, everyday life, that person is woefully uninformed and shockingly ignorant.

Nope. Thats just your own perception.

I work in the Middle East right now(the Gulf) and many kids I tutor have absolutely no idea about Dorothy and the gang or the big brouhaha surrounding them. And I'm willing to put my rent money on the tabel that 3/4 of those kids are waaaaaaay more intelligent & informed than 1/2 of the people in this thread claim to be, combined at that.

I don't know why some people stubbornly assume that every popular "western"(or in this case, American) phenomenon has to be always universally accepted.

Apples to oranges. Get back on topic and stop comparing anyone in this thread to Middle Eastern children.

edit: And btw, maybe you SHOULD teach them about The Wizard of Oz as its a universal concept and film. It's not just 'An American Phenomenon" - it is popular all over the entire world, both English speaking and not. Perhaps you would afford your children the ability to have more than one set of commonalities and keystone references with other cultures. Hell, it's not like it would be a detriment. You're acting like someone is suggesting its a ghastly thought that Arab children weren't taught about it as opposed to saying, "Well, you make a good point about it being universal. Maybe they SHOULD know about it."

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Spinlight said:

Harlepolis said:

Nope. Thats just your own perception.

I work in the Middle East right now(the Gulf) and many kids I tutor have absolutely no idea about Dorothy and the gang or the big brouhaha surrounding them. And I'm willing to put my rent money on the tabel that 3/4 of those kids are waaaaaaay more intelligent & informed than 1/2 of the people in this thread claim to be, combined at that.

I don't know why some people stubbornly assume that every popular "western"(or in this case, American) phenomenon has to be always universally accepted.

Apples to oranges. Get back on topic and stop comparing anyone in this thread to Middle Eastern children.

edit: And btw, maybe you SHOULD teach them about The Wizard of Oz as its a universal concept and film. It's not just 'An American Phenomenon" - it is popular all over the entire world, both English speaking and not. Perhaps you would afford your children the ability to have more than one set of commonalities and keystone references with other cultures. Hell, it's not like it would be a detriment. You're acting like someone is suggesting its a ghastly thought that Arab children weren't taught about it as opposed to saying, "Well, you make a good point about it being universal. Maybe they SHOULD know about it."

Nah. They'd think Toto should be killed.

Why all my lovely peeps fightening with each other on this damn thread?

Spinlight said:

Harlepolis said:

Nope. Thats just your own perception.

I work in the Middle East right now(the Gulf) and many kids I tutor have absolutely no idea about Dorothy and the gang or the big brouhaha surrounding them. And I'm willing to put my rent money on the tabel that 3/4 of those kids are waaaaaaay more intelligent & informed than 1/2 of the people in this thread claim to be, combined at that.

I don't know why some people stubbornly assume that every popular "western"(or in this case, American) phenomenon has to be always universally accepted.

Apples to oranges. Get back on topic and stop comparing anyone in this thread to Middle Eastern children.

Really? How? And you were the one who made a big case about people being "shockingly ignorant" for not being exposed or encountering the references of the high & mighty "Wizard of Oz" since its universally known, like a social faux-pas was committed. I'm just letting you know that not everybody is gonna conform to your logic, no matter how popular you think its accepted.

And who's to say I didn't already play the darn thing for them?

Genesia said:

Spinlight said:

Apples to oranges. Get back on topic and stop comparing anyone in this thread to Middle Eastern children.

edit: And btw, maybe you SHOULD teach them about The Wizard of Oz as its a universal concept and film. It's not just 'An American Phenomenon" - it is popular all over the entire world, both English speaking and not. Perhaps you would afford your children the ability to have more than one set of commonalities and keystone references with other cultures. Hell, it's not like it would be a detriment. You're acting like someone is suggesting its a ghastly thought that Arab children weren't taught about it as opposed to saying, "Well, you make a good point about it being universal. Maybe they SHOULD know about it."

Nah. They'd think Toto should be killed.

Maybe the Wizard of Oz is racist, too. I mean, they did set a man on fire after all.

Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

Apples to oranges. Get back on topic and stop comparing anyone in this thread to Middle Eastern children.

Really? How? And you were the one who made a big case about people being "shockingly ignorant" for not being exposed or encountering the references of the high & mighty "Wizard of Oz" since its universally known, like a social faux-pas was committed. I'm just letting you know that not everybody is gonna conform to your logic, no matter how popular you think its accepted.

And who's to say I didn't already play the darn thing for them?

I have to explain to you the difference between members of Prince.org and Middle Eastern children? You beg the question. Stop that.

I didn't make a big case about Middle Eastern kids being shockingly ignorant. Stay on topic.

And if you have, then wonderful. Why bring them up at all? Because you were the messenger and without you, they wouldn't have learned it? Who's to say someone like you would not have been there?

Grammarical edit.

[Edited 4/4/11 14:48pm]

Spinlight said:

Harlepolis said:

Really? How? And you were the one who made a big case about people being "shockingly ignorant" for not being exposed or encountering the references of the high & mighty "Wizard of Oz" since its universally known, like a social faux-pas was committed. I'm just letting you know that not everybody is gonna conform to your logic, no matter how popular you think its accepted.

And who's to say I didn't already play the darn thing for them?

I have to explain to you the difference between members of Prince.org and Middle Eastern children? You beg the question. Stop that.

I didn't make a big case about Middle Eastern kids being shockingly ignorant. Stay on topic.

And if you have, then wonderful. Why bring them at all? Because you were the messenger and without you, they wouldn't have learned it? Who's to say someone like you would not have been there?

Dude, you made a blatant statement in your post generalizing that people from "every cultural avenue" are familiar with this film. And the ones who are not, are ignorant. Now, those are YOUR words, not mine. And I brought those kids as examples to show how devoid your logic is. You damn right I'll ask for an explanation, otherwise why make such a statement?

BlaqueKnight said:

Militant said:

Are you guys serious? It's from "The Wizard Of Oz" movie.

How could people not know this?

they're thick as shit?

SEANMAN said:

vainandy said:

And here's another jam that came a few years later that has the chant in it at the end, very much like way they did it in "The Wizard Of Oz"....

U don't know how long I've been looking for this song. It's completely obscure, but that O-wee-oh bit with the freestyle beat has been playing in my head for years, and I knew it was a song from back in the day, but I had no idea who sang it! T4p!

Yep, that was Janice from 1986. Re-recording melodies from old TV shows and using chants from old shows and movies was very popular that year. LA Dream Team did it with "Dream Team Is In The House", Gigolo Tony did with "Smurf Rock", etc.

"Bye Bye" by Janice used a lot of melodies from TV shows and was very popular in my area that summer. Here is another song they used to play back to back with "Bye Bye" that summer that used even more TV show melodies.....

Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

I have to explain to you the difference between members of Prince.org and Middle Eastern children? You beg the question. Stop that.

I didn't make a big case about Middle Eastern kids being shockingly ignorant. Stay on topic.

And if you have, then wonderful. Why bring them at all? Because you were the messenger and without you, they wouldn't have learned it? Who's to say someone like you would not have been there?

Dude, you made a blatant statement in your post generalizing that people from "every cultural avenue" are familiar with this film. And the ones who are not, are ignorant. Now, those are YOUR words, not mine. And I brought those kids as examples to show how devoid your logic is. You damn right I'll ask for an explanation, otherwise why make such a statement?

Um, because what I said is true. Regardless of your need to needle me about a situation you know intimately, people from all walks of life are well-familiar with The Wizard of Oz. And if your students are, because of or not because of you, you're just begging the question. You WANT to debate the point. And I don't need to because the movie's cultural impact around the world has BEEN made. It is its own burden of proof.

I know of the movie, but I don't know many details about it because I hated the Wizard Of Oz even as a kid.

Alice In Wonderland was more my speed.

I thought the chant was from Doin' The Butt too...

It's actually quite easy not to know this if you've never seen the movie. And it's pretty easy not to have seen the movie. If you just have no interest in watching the film, you'll skip it every time it's on. I've never seen the Wizard of Oz ( most people reel in shock when I say that). I've never seen Gone with the Wind. Plenty of folks have never seen It's a Wonderful Life or A Christmas Story or even Star Wars.

It happens. It doesn't make a person smarter or less smart to have knowledge of a pop-culture phenomenon.

By the same token, the people who have never seen Judy Garland, can also tell you who Kirk Alyn is and why he's important.

Spinlight said:

Harlepolis said:

Dude, you made a blatant statement in your post generalizing that people from "every cultural avenue" are familiar with this film. And the ones who are not, are ignorant. Now, those are YOUR words, not mine. And I brought those kids as examples to show how devoid your logic is. You damn right I'll ask for an explanation, otherwise why make such a statement?

Um, because what I said is true. Regardless of your need to needle me about a situation you know intimately, people from all walks of life are well-familiar with The Wizard of Oz. And if your students are, because of or not because of you, you're just begging the question. You WANT to debate the point. And I don't need to because the movie's cultural impact around the world has BEEN made. It is its own burden of proof.

Ah yes, the good old org "flip the table" mind game Nope, null & void. I don't go around these boards quibbling with folks for the heck of it, takes the fun out of being here as it is. I really did want to understand the reasoning behind your statement but from the way you keep restating your statement while throwing these cryptic "truths" & "proofs" without anything to back them up tells me that there ain't any, and it also PROVES to me again & again thats its only your perception and YOUR opinion, not a fact. Well, I hate to burst your self-made bubble here but there's a huge difference between what you think is a fact and what is one, people from "around the world" identify with entertainment differently, just because you "think" everybody is familiar with The Wizard of Oz doesn't make it so, and the ones who are not exposed to it don't make them "ignorant". And thats what I've been trying to tell you for the umpteenth time, so I guess we're back to point number one and there's nothing more to it.

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Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

Um, because what I said is true. Regardless of your need to needle me about a situation you know intimately, people from all walks of life are well-familiar with The Wizard of Oz. And if your students are, because of or not because of you, you're just begging the question. You WANT to debate the point. And I don't need to because the movie's cultural impact around the world has BEEN made. It is its own burden of proof.

Ah yes, the good old org "flip the table" mind game Nope, null & void. I don't go around these boards quibbling with folks for the heck of it, takes the fun out of being here as it is. I really did want to understand the reasoning behind your statement but from the way you keep restating your statement while throwing these cryptic "truths" & "proofs" without anything to back them up tells me that there ain't any, and it also PROVES to me again & again thats its only your perception and YOUR opinion, not a fact. Well, I hate to burst your self-made bubble here but there's a huge difference between what you think is a fact and what is one, people from "around the world" identify with entertainment differently, just because you "think" everybody is familiar with The Wizard of Oz doesn't make it so, and the ones who are not exposed to it don't make them "ignorant". And thats what I've been trying to tell you for the umpteenth time, so I guess we're back to point number one and there's nothing more to it.

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So then we're matched with org mind games because you are doing the old Find Weakness And Exploit maneuver. You know? You pick one single aspect of my comment directed at someone else to slowly attempt to dismantle the rest of my statements. But, fortunately for us both, we don't always need to feel like we either walk away completely believing or completely devastating someone on the internet.

And so there's nothing more to it.

Alasseon said:

It's actually quite easy not to know this if you've never seen the movie. And it's pretty easy not to have seen the movie. If you just have no interest in watching the film, you'll skip it every time it's on. I've never seen the Wizard of Oz ( most people reel in shock when I say that).

...I would be one of them, lol. "The Wizard of Oz" is my all time favorite movie. I've seen it probably 100 times, and have owned 2 or 3 VHS versions of it, then like another 2 versions on DVD, I also have the soundtrack to the movie, as well as other CD's by Harold Arlen, who wrote all the songs for this film and many others.

As a child, the movie was just such a wondrous journey to watch unfold in this story with talking trees, flying monkeys, and an Army of the Wicked Witch of The West that liked to chant when they marched " Oh-ee-oh!". The sound of them marching and chanting like that used to be the stuff of this kids nightmares, lol. And the Witch was like the Devil himself, lol.

They picked the right one to play The Wicked Witch of The West when they chose Margaret Hamilton though. That lady played in a ton of movies and television between the 1930's to the 70's, and she always played some grumpy, strict, mean old lady, lol. Her portrayal of The Witch of The West was frighteningly real to me as a kid. And EVERY TIME that bitch showed up... PARTY WAS OVER! Plus bitch had attitude for days, lol.

Then, as an adult, I recognized all the metaphors they have tucked away in that script. I still get something different out of it each time I watch it. I've just always absolutely loved "The Wizard of Oz". I'm even a fan of the Broadway show "Wicked", which is actually a prequel to "The Wizard of Oz". And it's such a trip to learn though this musical how all the characters got to be the way they were by the time "The Wizard of Oz" picks up the story. It's genius how they pull it off, and the entire theater is decorated in this bizarre Oz motif.

So yeah, the very first moment I heard that " Oh-ee-oh!" chant in all these songs, I immediately recognized it as being from "The Wizard of Oz".

Alasseon said:

I've never seen Gone with the Wind. Plenty of folks have never seen It's a Wonderful Life or A Christmas Story or even Star Wars.

I JUST got around to seeing "Gone With The Wind" about a year ago for the first time. For me; I can say it lived up to the hype, lol. It was a good movie, long as Hell though. But the story it told happened over a number of years. But I'll admit, for about the first 8 minutes or so of the movie, I was like... "what the Hell is going on here?" Those who have seen it will know what I mean. Without giving any spoilers away, I didn't realize the movie was going to have so much American History tied into the plot. It's a powerful movie, and made, if I'm not mistaken, at the same time they were making "The Wizard of Oz".

But I still haven't seen other big movies, like Casablanca and a few others. Just like there's all kinds of music I haven't heard yet. I'll get to it, if there's time, lol. I'm in no hurry to watch every movie or listen to every CD ever made, lol. But there are a few out there that I would like to get to.

For about 15 years I thought it was just something that the audiences would chant at football games and other sports events.

I don't recall the Wizard of Oz ever having been shown on the TV here or that I would have seen it as a kid. It might have been, but I have no recollection of the film. I'd say that at least most Europeans are more familiar with Chronicles of Narnia and stuff like that.

novabrkr said:

For about 15 years I thought it was just something that the audiences would chant at football games and other sports events.

I don't recall the Wizard of Oz ever having been shown on the TV here or that I would have seen it as a kid. It might have been, but I have no recollection of the film. I'd say that at least most Europeans are more familiar with Chronicles of Narnia and stuff like that.

it was shown on telly in the UK every christmas by law. anyone found not to have seen it was hung

fuck knows what you europeans watch at christmas, probably some foreign shit with subtitles that no-one understands. like der untertang or whatever the fuck it's called

and every bank holiday, the law dictates that james bond movies must be shown, and at easter it's a legal requirement to watch the great escape and watch our most famous englisher steve mcqueen get one over on the germans and ride away on his motorbike, which is a true story and not made up like hollywood

in scotland we watch our most famous jew hating scottish actor beat the crap out of the english, just for being english

us brits love to celebrate our patriotism and history and love for mankind. the rest of you foreigners are just uncivilised savages

Militant said:

Are you guys serious? It's from "The Wizard Of Oz" movie.

Was just about to post the same thing

Didn't have the energy and motivation to post yesterday because of a bad workday.

Anyhoo...ya, ignant me succeeded to remember the basics from the original Oz-flic

but my (circa) 10 year old or earlier-aged memory overlooked those munchkins and the earlier

mentioned commercials which parodied them, as i live(d) outside the US. Sue me-oh-wee-yo

this is the reason why prince was turned down from wizard of oz

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/vc61/3121-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

as you can see from the orange that is next to prince, prince is exactly one third of the height of the orange. oranges are basically the same size as apples, and everyone knows that the official height of a smurf is 3 apples tall. thus this confirms prince's height to be the same as a smurf, which is considerably smaller than the size of a munchkin. thus prince was way too small to play a munchkin in the movie

unique said:

this is the reason why prince was turned down from wizard of oz

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/vc61/3121-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

as you can see from the orange that is next to prince, prince is exactly one third of the height of the orange. oranges are basically the same size as apples, and everyone knows that the official height of a smurf is 3 apples tall. thus this confirms prince's height to be the same as a smurf, which is considerably smaller than the size of a munchkin. thus prince was way too small to play a munchkin in the movie

Thank you for the indepth explanation. I've been wondering about this for years!

I didn't know this was from the Wizard of Oz and all I watch are classic movies from the 30s to 60s. I know the characters' names, the tornado, Toto, the witch, the flying monkeys, yellow brick road, "friend of Dorothy," etc. But I still wasn't familiar with this chant. I only saw the movie once and it was horrible, just as horrible as the Wiz. The set was great but the acting was poor. And I say this as a fan of the acting style back then. Compare Judy Garland with any of her contemporaries and she falls near the bottom of the list.

@ Unique.

Harlepolis said:

Spinlight said:

Um, because what I said is true. Regardless of your need to needle me about a situation you know intimately, people from all walks of life are well-familiar with The Wizard of Oz. And if your students are, because of or not because of you, you're just begging the question. You WANT to debate the point. And I don't need to because the movie's cultural impact around the world has BEEN made. It is its own burden of proof.

Ah yes, the good old org "flip the table" mind game Nope, null & void. I don't go around these boards quibbling with folks for the heck of it, takes the fun out of being here as it is. I really did want to understand the reasoning behind your statement but from the way you keep restating your statement while throwing these cryptic "truths" & "proofs" without anything to back them up tells me that there ain't any, and it also PROVES to me again & again thats its only your perception and YOUR opinion, not a fact. Well, I hate to burst your self-made bubble here but there's a huge difference between what you think is a fact and what is one, people from "around the world" identify with entertainment differently, just because you "think" everybody is familiar with The Wizard of Oz doesn't make it so, and the ones who are not exposed to it don't make them "ignorant". And thats what I've been trying to tell you for the umpteenth time, so I guess we're back to point number one and there's nothing more to it.

[Edited 4/5/11 0:19am]

Actually, that is the dictionary definition of ignorant.

novabrkr said:

For about 15 years I thought it was just something that the audiences would chant at football games and other sports events.

I don't recall the Wizard of Oz ever having been shown on the TV here or that I would have seen it as a kid. It might have been, but I have no recollection of the film. I'd say that at least most Europeans are more familiar with Chronicles of Narnia and stuff like that.

I cannot remember it was ever shown on TV here in Austria. Just because something is popular in the US doesn't mean it's popular worldwide. Apart fromt the title I don' know anything about that movie.