Pet shop boys!

Prodigy!

Kate Bush!

Faithless!

The list goes on and on....

I remember the whole Drum&bass movement, 2step, bigbeat, all those famous dj's...they are very creative

Yeah, the Uk brought some amazing music, must be something in the water...

and yeah: Once again, Americans and their problem with the concept "World"

Was Siouxsie and the Banshees mentioned in this thread because if not, they need to be. I have a one-track mind sometimes lol

Timmy84 said:

Was Siouxsie and the Banshees mentioned in this thread because if not, they need to be. I have a one-track mind sometimes lol

Moonbeam said:

Timmy84 said:

Was Siouxsie and the Banshees mentioned in this thread because if not, they need to be. I have a one-track mind sometimes lol

Harlepolis said:

TyphoonTip said:

Of course it's subjective. If you just like something becausse you feel it more, then there is little to argue with. However, your reasoning that just 'because someone did something first', that makes them inherently better. ..........I say again, that makes zero sense.

Not generally speaking, but in this case it does. When all of those UK acts mentioned tried to copy those artists(who spent their lives mastering their instruments/music, mind you) to no vail and like I said, admitted that those artists were better than them, what does that tell you? I think it makes abit of sense, you're just not that keen to give the credit.

And Diddly, Richard & Berry wrote songs that made their audience resonate and identify with them and it made their legacy endure to this day, thats good enough, don't worry about the rest. And don't think your condescending tone will make songs like "Strawberry Fields Forever"(although I love them) the end all/be all of song writing, you have to remember that people relate to music differently. What you might put on a pedestal, 10 others might feel indifferent to it. Just a thought.

Of course the whole "UK does it better" is a bit insulting, hopefully that's just a joke.

I think Lennon & the Stones say that stuff (and meant it) because those were their childhood idols, and those impressions stay with us our whole lives. But I think it's a bit unfair to say that everything the Beatles (or whoever) did is a re-run because of that.

The Beatles tried to be like Ray Charles & Chuck Berry, and honestly they did a pretty bad job of it. Then they grew into something new. That is not to say what they became is better or more important than their idols, just that it was a new thing.

We are all in the debt of those who came before (just like Chuck & Richard were in debt to the blues men before them) but we all create something new with our lives, too.

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NDRU said:

Harlepolis said:

Not generally speaking, but in this case it does. When all of those UK acts mentioned tried to copy those artists(who spent their lives mastering their instruments/music, mind you) to no vail and like I said, admitted that those artists were better than them, what does that tell you? I think it makes abit of sense, you're just not that keen to give the credit.

And Diddly, Richard & Berry wrote songs that made their audience resonate and identify with them and it made their legacy endure to this day, thats good enough, don't worry about the rest. And don't think your condescending tone will make songs like "Strawberry Fields Forever"(although I love them) the end all/be all of song writing, you have to remember that people relate to music differently. What you might put on a pedestal, 10 others might feel indifferent to it. Just a thought.

Of course the whole "UK does it better" is a bit insulting, hopefully that's just a joke.

I think Lennon & the Stones say that stuff (and meant it) because those were their childhood idols, and those impressions stay with us our whole lives. But I think it's a bit unfair to say that everything the Beatles (or whoever) did is a re-run because of that.

The Beatles tried to be like Ray Charles & Chuck Berry, and honestly they did a pretty bad job of it. Then they grew into something new. That is not to say what they became is better or more important than their idols, just that it was a new thing.

We are all in the debt of those who came before (just like Chuck & Richard were in debt to the blues men before them) but we all create something new with our lives, too.

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It wasn't lost on many of the legends the Beatles were influenced by when they began creating their own music. The Isley Brothers even commented on "Testify" near the end of it (they didn't say their name but come on, I can make that Beatles connection with "the long-haired boys over the other side of the ocean" ) about them now having soul.

Timmy84 said:

NDRU said:

Of course the whole "UK does it better" is a bit insulting, hopefully that's just a joke.

I think Lennon & the Stones say that stuff (and meant it) because those were their childhood idols, and those impressions stay with us our whole lives. But I think it's a bit unfair to say that everything the Beatles (or whoever) did is a re-run because of that.

The Beatles tried to be like Ray Charles & Chuck Berry, and honestly they did a pretty bad job of it. Then they grew into something new. That is not to say what they became is better or more important than their idols, just that it was a new thing.

We are all in the debt of those who came before (just like Chuck & Richard were in debt to the blues men before them) but we all create something new with our lives, too.

[Edited 2/2/11 14:19pm]

It wasn't lost on many of the legends the Beatles were influenced by when they began creating their own music. The Isley Brothers even commented on "Testify" near the end of it (they didn't say their name but come on, I can make that Beatles connection with "the long-haired boys over the other side of the ocean" ) about them now having soul.

Exactly, I am the last to dispute the fact that the so-called British invasion was founded on imported American albums that the "invaders" listened to as kids.

But just as you have to listen to Lennon & Keith Richards & Clapton sing the praises of Muddy, Chuck, Ray, Richard, etc, you have to acknowledge Stevie, Ray, Aretha, Wilson Pickett, EW&F, etc singing Beatles covers.

It's not a competition, it's music, and I could not care less where greatness comes from, as long as it's coming from somewhere!

Sadly, this conversation is about stuff that happened 40+ years ago I wish we were discussing someone around right now and arguing "where the greatness came from"

NDRU said:

Sadly, this conversation is about stuff that happened 40+ years ago I wish we were discussing someone around right now and arguing "where the greatness came from"

hmmm, my original list includes the following artists:

Basement Jaxx

Coldplay

Keane

Franz Ferdinand

Arctic Monkeys

Roisin Murphy

Amy Whinehouse

Duffy

+00's Radiohead

JoeTyler said:

NDRU said:

Sadly, this conversation is about stuff that happened 40+ years ago I wish we were discussing someone around right now and arguing "where the greatness came from"

hmmm, my original list includes the following artists:

Basement Jaxx

Coldplay

Keane

Franz Ferdinand

Arctic Monkeys

Roisin Murphy

Amy Whinehouse

Duffy

+00's Radiohead

Nobody could ever say Amy Winehouse borrowed from American R&B!! (I know that was not your point, just a joke)

JoeTyler said:

NDRU said:

Sadly, this conversation is about stuff that happened 40+ years ago I wish we were discussing someone around right now and arguing "where the greatness came from"

hmmm, my original list includes the following artists:

Coldplay

Keane

Don't remind me.

I was just listening to boy george after ages, and will play wham soon. I always thought karma chameleon gets too much credit, when they have other good songs.

Loose Ends

Hijack

Soul II Soul

Bomb The Bass

Sade

and at least a dozen more...

JoeTyler said:

Def Leppard

lol

Yes, love them but they don't sound British....I like a lot of those mentioned but

the UK doesn't have Van Halen and.....mmm PRINCE

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catpark said:

Also to name but a few....

Frankie Goes To Hollywood

The Specials

Massive Attack

Sex Pistols

Gorillaz

Big Audio Dynamite

Adam Ant

UB40

Damn, even Madonna tried to be British

Damn, even Madonna tried to be British

paul weller 'godlike genius'..

billy idol

billy ocean

vince clark

lily allen

subo & charlotte church

fatboy slim

elvis costello

gary newman

cliff

flo & the machine

rick astley!!