JudasLChrist said:

meisme said:

How do you all know Elton has not always wanted a child and just now feels comfortable enough having one. He is sober,as far as we know, also married, and also given his wealth I doubt "loot" will be a problem for counseling. As a gay man living in South MS I have to say we dont have the luxury of doing everything in the same traditional order as heterosexuals. Hatred puts a division in ones life that seperates true want and trying to fit ino the mainstream. I think he probably just found the courage to be a gay parent. Good job Elton and I hope you and this child have many years together.

It's not a matter of how comfortable HE feels, or about whether HE fufulls HIS needs or aspirations for HIS life. It's about what the child needs. There's a real likely chance that he will die before his kid even hits 20. Having children past a certain age is just messed up. It's not in the best interest of children to give newborns to the elderly.

Cant agree with this because children need to grow up in a loving atmosphere, Mom and Dad is as false a premise as the idea of a home and a house. With the points i raised before Elton could die at 100 he could have died at 30 from an overdose, would that have been good for a kid to have as a father/parent? I mean like i said John Lennon was a terrible father first time around, and so many in the industry who have kids shouldnt, and lets not forget the general population, i say about 75-85% of people that have kids, need to not have them.

I'm currently studying to become a social worker, and I'm not surprised by all the stigma and judgement Elton is getting.

There are children that are raised by families from all backgrounds that miss out on basic needs to help in their development. Nobody is too OLD to be a parent. As somebody said 'Grand parents do fantastic jobs in filling in the roles of parents'.

I believe that not only Elton has every right to be a father, he will make a very good one at that.

Furthermore, I personally encourage more gay couples to become fathers/mothers.

andykeen said:

I'm currently studying to become a social worker, and I'm not surprised by all the stigma and judgement Elton is getting.

There are children that are raised by families from all backgrounds that miss out on basic needs to help in their development. Nobody is too OLD to be a parent. As somebody said 'Grand parents do fantastic jobs in filling in the roles of parents'.

I believe that not only Elton has every right to be a father, he will make a very good one at that.

Furthermore, I personally encourage more gay couples to become fathers/mothers.

As a foster child I can testify that social workers have no authority on any particular issue.

Grandparents may do a good job, but rarely do grandparents make a conscious decision to have children.

The person above accused people in this thread of being homophobic, but I have yet to see anyone express any homophobic thoughts here.

I do agree that gay people should become parents, but I don't think that they should necessarily have bio-children. People who insist on having bio-kids are suspect to me. If you want a kid so that your ego can live on in the form of a little you, that's fucked up. The world doesn't really need more people. I don't care if you are straight or gay. There are so many kids out there that need families. I think gay people should be encouraged to foster and adopt.

JudasLChrist said:

As a foster child I can testify that social workers have no authority on any particular issue.

Grandparents may do a good job, but rarely do grandparents make a conscious decision to have children.

The person above accused people in this thread of being homophobic, but I have yet to see anyone express any homophobic thoughts here.

I do agree that gay people should become parents, but I don't think that they should necessarily have bio-children. People who insist on having bio-kids are suspect to me. If you want a kid so that your ego can live on in the form of a little you, that's fucked up. The world doesn't really need more people. I don't care if you are straight or gay. There are so many kids out there that need families. I think gay people should be encouraged to foster and adopt.

I have to disagree.....

I would definitely encourage more people to adopt or foster but it takes a very special person to do so. I would also like to add Elton did try adoption first, and sadly failed.

And I have't accused anyone of being homophobic at all. Ageist...definitely

Cinnie said:

I was in a waiting area at an airport gate on Dec 30 when this story came on the television news, and no one looked impressed. All I could think of was this ageist, homophobic thread. Dude is beyond rich and has a younger spouse, I'm sure the baby will be looked after!

Exactly. The baby's set for life. Again showing my gratitude to Elton and David.

JudasLChrist said:

andykeen said:

I'm currently studying to become a social worker, and I'm not surprised by all the stigma and judgement Elton is getting.

There are children that are raised by families from all backgrounds that miss out on basic needs to help in their development. Nobody is too OLD to be a parent. As somebody said 'Grand parents do fantastic jobs in filling in the roles of parents'.

I believe that not only Elton has every right to be a father, he will make a very good one at that.

Furthermore, I personally encourage more gay couples to become fathers/mothers.

As a foster child I can testify that social workers have no authority on any particular issue.

Grandparents may do a good job, but rarely do grandparents make a conscious decision to have children.

The person above accused people in this thread of being homophobic, but I have yet to see anyone express any homophobic thoughts here.

I do agree that gay people should become parents, but I don't think that they should necessarily have bio-children. People who insist on having bio-kids are suspect to me. If you want a kid so that your ego can live on in the form of a little you, that's fucked up. The world doesn't really need more people. I don't care if you are straight or gay. There are so many kids out there that need families. I think gay people should be encouraged to foster and adopt.

Ya, because wanting your own is such a big ego stroke. How does him wanting his own kids translate into him being an egomaniac?

NDRU said:

ManlyMoose said:

JudasLChrist said:

I do agree that gay people should become parents, but I don't think that they should necessarily have bio-children. People who insist on having bio-kids are suspect to me. If you want a kid so that your ego can live on in the form of a little you, that's fucked up. The world doesn't really need more people. I don't care if you are straight or gay. There are so many kids out there that need families. I think gay people should be encouraged to foster and adopt.

Some people don't want to adopt, because they don't know what the family history is. Not many people would want Adolph Hitler's children. There also might be health issues or they don't want older children. Others might not want to deal with the red tape, even Madonna had a hard time. The adoption process can also take years. Some people with the financial means skip all of that and just buy black market babies.

As long as Elton is a good parent, that's all that matters. Some people get foster children just to get a check from the government, and ignore and/or abuse the foster child and then send them back if the money stops. Some women give birth and put the baby in a trash can or leave it on somebody else's doorstep. Where I live, women can leave their newborn at the fire station, no questions asked. Being young doesn't make a person a better parent, nor does having both a mother and father make a child a better person than one with a single parent.

MickyDolenz said:

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ISF said:

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You know what? My gay foster parents were the best parents I ever had. I went through about 23 different placements, too. I have a lot to compare them to. Those guys are still my family today. They are rad. I won the fucking lottery when I got hooked up with them

You haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about. The only thing informing your opinion is yr own bigotry. Yr opinion is fatiguing to me as a former foster child who loves his foster dads.

ISF said:

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So, if a child is raised by a straight family, then they will grow up ok? What if the child comes from an incest situation or have drug addict, abusive, or alcoholic parents? By your logic, since the parents are straight, then everything is like Leave It To Beaver. It's not only the parents that influence children, the environment a child grows up in is a factor. In some places, children are recruited into the military, in others they join gangs or they're prostitutes. In places like Thailand, the parents often sell their children off as sex slaves because they can't afford to raise them. In China & India, they kill female babies, because they can't carry on the family name or they don't want to or can't afford to pay dowry later on down the line. In some areas in Africa, Female Genital Mutilation is still practiced on young girls.

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^^ @ the last two posts.

ISF said:

I didn't say they can't be good parents.
I said that I think it is better the parents be straight.
If you had gay foster parents who were good, that is very good for you. As I said, I offered a hypothetical situation.
I'm not saying a straight parent who beats theirs kids and starves them is better than a homosexual parent. I'm saying it is preferable for the parents to be straight, in my opinion.

I don't mind people discussing this with me, or arguing with me, or maybe even getting worked up, but to have my comment removed when we have people on this website encouraging US colonialism and murder is surprising.

Even though I am against homosexuality, I do not hate homosexuals.

It's just as bad. You can report on those comments about that other stuff if you want to.

Timmy84 said:

It's just as bad. You can report on those comments about that other stuff if you want to.

No, it is not just as bad!

Of course I can report it, but that is not the point.

The point is that those comments I am talking about (I've seen them more than once) are not removed, and do not cause such an uproar, but my comments here have!

Me saying that it is not ideal to have homosexual parents, should not be considered by anyone to be worse than supporting murder and colonialism.

I think the priority is that the parents are caring, capable and able to raise children. I think it is preferable for them to be heterosexual, and that it should be encouraged more. In a case where this is not possible (which may exist, I'm no expert on adoption, that's why I offered a hypothetical situation) of course a caring homosexual couple are a better option than a crackhead/rapist couple.

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My point is if you're saying that, it just makes you judgmental. That's like saying you're against black parents adopting white kids. No it don't make you "racist" or "homophobic" but it's like did you really have to make that point and not think you'll be argued about it? That's all I'm saying.

I only look at the music section, so I don't know anything about US colonialism threads.

Timmy84 said:

My point is if you're saying that, it just makes you judgmental. That's like saying you're against black parents adopting white kids. No it don't make you "racist" or "homophobic" but it's like did you really have to make that point and not think you'll be argued about it? That's all I'm saying.

I didn't say don't aruge. I said the opposite in an earlier post in this thread.

I don't think that being black is a bad thing. I think being homosexual is. That is not to say I think homosexual people are bad through and through, but that homosexuality is a bad thing.
Don't get me wrong, even though I am against homosexuality, if 2 people of the same sex wish to engage in sexual acts with one another in the privacy of their homes that is their own business, not mine. However, I don't like this way of thinking, the way that has led to children being taught about homosexuality in schools from a young age (I'm not sure it has been passed, but has been proposed by many). They shouldn't teach AGAINST it either.

ISF said:

Timmy84 said:

My point is if you're saying that, it just makes you judgmental. That's like saying you're against black parents adopting white kids. No it don't make you "racist" or "homophobic" but it's like did you really have to make that point and not think you'll be argued about it? That's all I'm saying.

I didn't say don't aruge. I said the opposite in an earlier post in this thread.

I don't think that being black is a bad thing. I think being homosexual is. That is not to say I think homosexual people are bad through and through, but that homosexuality is a bad thing.
Don't get me wrong, even though I am against homosexuality, if 2 people of the same sex wish to engage in sexual acts with one another in the privacy of their homes that is their own business, not mine. However, I don't like this way of thinking, the way that has led to children being taught about homosexuality in schools from a young age (I'm not sure it has been passed, but has been proposed by many). They shouldn't teach AGAINST it either.

if this whole world was homosexual, then the human race would no longer exist

Bloody Catholics.....Ruin everything

Congrats to Elton John.

I hope Elton and his family are having a great time right now.

ISF said:

I didn't say they can't be good parents.
I said that I think it is better the parents be straight.
If you had gay foster parents who were good, that is very good for you. As I said, I offered a hypothetical situation.
I'm not saying a straight parent who beats theirs kids and starves them is better than a homosexual parent. I'm saying it is preferable for the parents to be straight, in my opinion.

I don't mind people discussing this with me, or arguing with me, or maybe even getting worked up, but to have my comment removed when we have people on this website encouraging US colonialism and murder is surprising.

Even though I am against homosexuality, I do not hate homosexuals.

You are a bigot. You think that straight people make better parents. You have no logic for that position. It's something you believe against all evidence to the contrary.

When people say they don't hate homosexuals, just homosexuality, what they are trying to do is sidestep being held accountable for their own heterosexist prejudice. I'm telling you right now that your prejudice against gay people is not acceptable.

JudasLChrist said:

ISF said:

I didn't say they can't be good parents.
I said that I think it is better the parents be straight.
If you had gay foster parents who were good, that is very good for you. As I said, I offered a hypothetical situation.
I'm not saying a straight parent who beats theirs kids and starves them is better than a homosexual parent. I'm saying it is preferable for the parents to be straight, in my opinion.

I don't mind people discussing this with me, or arguing with me, or maybe even getting worked up, but to have my comment removed when we have people on this website encouraging US colonialism and murder is surprising.

Even though I am against homosexuality, I do not hate homosexuals.

You are a bigot. You think that straight people make better parents. You have no logic for that position. It's something you believe against all evidence to the contrary.

When people say they don't hate homosexuals, just homosexuality, what they are trying to do is sidestep being held accountable for their own heterosexist prejudice. I'm telling you right now that your prejudice against gay people is not acceptable.

I'm not sidestepping anything. I told you what I think. I think it is desirable for a person's parents to be straight. I also said that a straight parent is not necessarily better than a homosexual parent.
What is it you do not understand?

To the moderator who removed my comment: Do you agree with murder and colonialism? If one was to write a thread praising Al Qaeda, would it be removed?

ISF said:

JudasLChrist said:

You are a bigot. You think that straight people make better parents. You have no logic for that position. It's something you believe against all evidence to the contrary.

When people say they don't hate homosexuals, just homosexuality, what they are trying to do is sidestep being held accountable for their own heterosexist prejudice. I'm telling you right now that your prejudice against gay people is not acceptable.

I'm not sidestepping anything. I told you what I think. I think it is desirable for a person's parents to be straight. I also said that a straight parent is not necessarily better than a homosexual parent.
What is it you do not understand?

To the moderator who removed my comment: Do you agree with murder and colonialism? If one was to write a thread praising Al Qaeda, would it be removed?

You think it is BETTER for a child's parents to be heterosexual. Rather than have self reflexivity and examining your own prejudice, you defend your belief. That is heterosexism and bigotry.