FLOP for MJ means comparing him to his past albums.

Not FLOP as in you cant go platinum or hit 2 million

So comparing 3 t to MJ when it comes to USA sales....cmon dude

Your comparing millions to a group who sold maybe 500,000 in the US at there PEAK

Also. females in the USA are not even in to that 3 t look. Even there 1996 appearance. It looks to feminine. Especially in that era

BabyBeMine said:

FLOP for MJ means comparing him to his past albums.

Not FLOP as in you cant go platinum or hit 2 million

So comparing 3 t to MJ when it comes to USA sales....cmon dude

Your comparing millions to a group who sold maybe 500,000 in the US at there PEAK

Also. females in the USA are not even in to that 3 t look. Even there 1996 appearance. It looks to feminine. Especially in that era

Yeah because B2K and Immature looked manly in 1996-2004

bboy87 said:

BabyBeMine said:

Teddy has to give interviews because he is one of the producers on the album and ppl want to ask questions about the controversy.

The media doesn't want to interview the former 1 hit wonder 3 t wanna be his uncle loser looking like a women in the why video. Nobody out here gives a rats ass about t 3 or whatever they names were. What are they doing now? Living in Michaels old room in Encino looking at old pics of MJ and Diana Ross when MJ went to the Forum....LMBAO....

You DO know where on Prince.org, right?

A site dedicated to a brotha who's spent his entire career rockin' lace, pants with his ass out, high heels, and full makeup....

just sayin'....

Are you comparing Prince to 3 t?

Your comparing a low budget group to a legend . I mean daaaaaamn

Now i need a drink. The only time prince should be in the same sentence as TWO 3 is

Prince and his bodyguards rolled up on a local burger king and guess what...Michaels nephew was asking...Would you like a apple pie with that?

Since Hold My Hand isn't doing too well on the charts, I think it would be cool for them to release Hollywood Tonight as the next single

put it on iTunes with a radio edit, 2 remixes, and maybe another unreleased track as a b-side and the sales will go through the roof

bboy87 said:

Since Hold My Hand isn't doing too well on the charts, I think it would be cool for them to release Hollywood Tonight as the next single

put it on iTunes with a radio edit, 2 remixes, and maybe another unreleased track as a b-side and the sales will go through the roof

That is if they plan to do anything further than what they've been doing. People getting tired of Acorn too.

bboy87 said:

Since Hold My Hand isn't doing too well on the charts, I think it would be cool for them to release Hollywood Tonight as the next single

put it on iTunes with a radio edit, 2 remixes, and maybe another unreleased track as a b-side and the sales will go through the roof

I agree. You make a great point.

Just remix it and take off that talking. Keep the song flowing.

I'm kinda surprised Motown ain't starting to put out the deluxe edition of Diana Ross Presents the Jackson 5 yet.

BabyBeMine said:

Just like MJ shows the fans....His FAKE SIDE

But this is not a negative or me putting him down. Its MJ being a man who drinks, gets his buzz on and chases women.

About a year ago i had doubts about MJ's innocents and weather he really liked women. Well, i met and became friends with someone that you all know and MJ as he said....Kept a certain side of him away from his family such as his alcohol side...MJ has gotten drunk and passed out.... Does his nephew and brothers know this....doubt it.....MJ has gotten a yep yep....by a female in the backseet of the limo many times. Meaning they didnt go all the way but Mike was satisfied..i will stop right there.

So the fact that he did it on the backseat made you stop to doubt his innocence? Or was it something else?

As you had you doubts you sounded as if not wanting to screw "lovely Tatjana" immediately, now and then, were the worst crime imaginably, ever. A person who wanted nothing from "lovely Brooke" got to be capable of anything - including incest, child rape and serial murder

Nevermind, but asexual people, people with suppressed sexuality or "just very private people" would have bad cards with you

BabyBeMine said:

bboy87 said:

You DO know where on Prince.org, right?

A site dedicated to a brotha who's spent his entire career rockin' lace, pants with his ass out, high heels, and full makeup....

just sayin'....

Are you comparing Prince to 3 t?

Your comparing a low budget group to a legend . I mean daaaaaamn

Now i need a drink. The only time prince should be in the same sentence as TWO 3 is

Prince and his bodyguards rolled up on a local burger king and guess what...Michaels nephew was asking...Would you like a apple pie with that?

Where did I compare Prince to 3T?

Wait, what the fuck am I doing in this ig'nant ass discussion?

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No thats not what made me feel MJ was 100% innocent.

Umm what made me me lean towards guilt at one time was the weak excuse of his manager kicked Tatiana off the Bad tour...If a MALE superstar is feeling a CHICK...She's gonna stay...But MJ gets a pass on this one, just not buying that excuse.

I also had doubts because he felt Brooke Shields grew impatient of WAITING....and wanted a man to put that ...SWIGITI on her...Look at that big smile on her face in the limo at the 1984 Grammy Awards. She's smothering MJ in the backseat. Mike could have had that, married her and had kids.

I have my reasons as to why i feel he was innocent

BabyBeMine said:

MJ was a undercover pimp who got his drank on with the right friends.

He showed his family this FAKE side of i only drink water and carrot juice. Dude was chasing women and getting faded in the back seat of the limo.

shit, i hope this is true, wish there was proof.

bboy87 said:

BabyBeMine said:

Are you comparing Prince to 3 t?

Your comparing a low budget group to a legend . I mean daaaaaamn

Now i need a drink. The only time prince should be in the same sentence as TWO 3 is

Prince and his bodyguards rolled up on a local burger king and guess what...Michaels nephew was asking...Would you like a apple pie with that?

Where did I compare Prince to 3T?

Wait, what the fuck am I doing in this ig'nant ass discussion?

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Great. Now i dont have to hear your mouth.

I know MJ more than you son...PERSONALLY....I tried to keep it quiet

But wont sell him out like his punk ass nephew... Bragging about his relationship with his uncle everyday on twitter

If i felt something wrong, im not gonna go to twitter.

BabyBeMine said:

bboy87 said:

Where did I compare Prince to 3T?

Wait, what the fuck am I doing in this ig'nant ass discussion?

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Great. Now i dont have to hear your mouth.

I know MJ more than you son...PERSONALLY....I tried to keep it quiet

But wont sell him out like his punk ass nephew... Bragging about his relationship with his uncle everyday on twitter

If i felt something wrong, im not gonna go to twitter.

okay, whatever you say.....

I didn't disrespect you, but you throwin' shade on nuccas like a muthafucka

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http://www.mjworld.net/news/2010/12/07/michael-album-review-a-nostalgic-look-to-the-future/

Tuesday, December 7th 2010
'Michael' Album Review - A Nostalgic Look To The Future

By Matt Blank

MJWN was invited by Sony Music to attend the preview of the forthcoming album ‘Michael’. Here’s our review:

Let’s begin by dispelling all the nasty rumours that have been circulating amongst the internet and media. There’s very little question about the legitimacy of the vocals. These polished versions we hear on this album are not the same as the leaks and scream Michael in everyway.

Now we have that out the way, let me tell you, this is an amazing album and something I’m sure Michael would have been proud of. The songs are wide ranging but together, make a very rounded and complete sounding album, from dance to funk to ballads and with even a little bit of bubble gum pop thrown in for good measure, this album has it all and is worthy of Michael’s good name being associated with it.

The album brings a sense of ‘old skool,’ Michael with a modern twist. As you listen to each track, there’s a familiarity to them yet something new and exhilarating. It’s a nostalgic look to how Michael may have presented us with his next album.

Within the album sleeve there are sadly no photos of Michael, however, all the lyrics are there for you to learn and scans of four hand-written notes from Michael. The first one reads:

“I hear the whole entire song and arrangements in my head. What each instrument is supposed to do. I put them down orally on tape then I go out, find that instrument, I don’t give in until I get exactly what I want. I sing every part with my MOUTH.”

Whilst I don’t want to ruin all your surprises for when you open the album, the final message is very touching with the opening written words being; “We only live once…”

The project itself is very exciting, with Sony Music investing a lot of time, effort and money into promoting it worldwide. With high profile adverts coming to our television sets, radios and billboards in the coming week and a unique approach to promotion that is sure to grab our attention, this is certainly an album to be excited about, even though the loss of Michael and his physical absence still casts a shadow over it and is something that we’ll forever miss.

So let’s go through the tracks:

Hold My Hand
We’re all aware of this fabulous song and what it has to offer. When we first heard it in 2008 it was something we all hoped would be released. We’ve waited a long time, and whilst we’re sure this anthem track will fair well with the public and fans alike, it is by no means the highlight of the album.

Hollywood Tonight
Wow!! I could not fault this track in anyway. From the ‘Who Is It’ style opening to the beat boxing which sounds slicker than that on ‘Tabloid Junkie,’ this is everything you’ve wanted from a Michael Jackson track. Whilst listening I wondered if the album had peaked too early, only the second track! It has a little bit of everything, from a 1980’s Jacksons feel with the “ooohs” to a classic MJ catchy tune with an infectious beat. An almost haunting song, it’s an amalgamation of everything we love about Michael.

Keep Your Head Up
One of the early songs to be leaked and also heavily criticised by many, however, you will soon realise the importance of not passing judgement until a finished product is produced. This has changed somewhat since its leak. Gone are the ‘Earth Song’ vocals we’ve heard previously and a gospel choir has now joined to create an uplifting track. Reminiscent to ‘Cry’ this song is inspirational and no-doubt includes the vocals of the King of Pop.

(I Like) The Way You Love Me
We all know this song from the 2004 ‘Ultimate Collection.’ However this now starts with a recorded phone call from Michael explaining how he wants the track to start as it slowly goes into the song with a piano forming the main instrument in the music, even bordering on a slight honky-tonk feel. Flutes are also added to the instrumental from its predecessor six years ago and the vocals seem to be clearer as well as new vocals added.

Monster
This tune is surely a dance floor filler. Rumours are flying that this is a close contender with ‘Hollywood Tonight’ to be the second single release from the album and there’s good justification for that. This is a hard hitting track with Michael near enough spitting out the verses, yet singing the bridges, quite gently. The song reminded me a lot of ‘Threatened’ but better! A very heavily produced track with plenty of sound effects and a rap by 50 Cent that isn’t half bad. I can see why this may become a favourite amongst fans.

Best Of Joy
Take from this what you will, but I like it. It’s simple and sounds like it’s in a very early demo stage. It seems as if they’ve just recorded Michael singing a little diddy to himself and looped it cleverly. Bubble gum pop is the way I would describe it and something that could have easily been written back in the late 1970’s by Michael. Think ‘Destiny’ album. Whilst it’s not going to be everyone’s cup of tea, in the time that we are now living in, hearing Michael sing “I am forever” puts a smile on my face.

Breaking News
Again, we’ve all heard this. The most controversial song on this album regarding those who want to believe that this album maybe a conspiracy. One thing is for certain, it’s not the best song on the album…especially when it’s up against so many other great upbeat songs. It doesn’t make it a bad song when listened to in isolation, but doesn’t seem to have a needed place on this album.

(I Can’t Make It) Another Day
For those who heard the snippet leak of this a while back, this doesn’t actually provide much more. The song is fairly repetitive, however, has an awesome guitar solo from Lenny Kravitz and for those who adore the angry Michael, similar to the Michael we hear on ‘We’ve Had Enough,’ then you’re going to love this!

Behind The Mask
Firstly, not many people know this but Michael actually co-wrote this long before we all got to hear the Eric Clapton version. So taking this into account, consider how Michael would present this? Okay…now think again! Up there as one of the best tracks on the album, this spells FUNK over and over again! Opening to cheers like in a live concert and a saxophone solo that could put Gerry Rafferty’s ‘Baker Street’ to shame, this is an amazing dance tune that you can’t help but move your head to, with great supporting vocals from Shanice and the Yellow Magic Orchestra.

Much Too Soon
I could not think of a more perfect way to end this album than with this song. Its pureness is blinding and gently ends the ten tracks. It reminds you what is so wonderful and magical about his voice and makes you fall in love with this album, making it a complete rounded presentation of everything that’s been flying around in Michael’s creative mind for many years.

BabyBeMine said:

No thats not what made me feel MJ was 100% innocent.

Umm what made me me lean towards guilt at one time was the weak excuse of his manager kicked Tatiana off the Bad tour...If a MALE superstar is feeling a CHICK...She's gonna stay...But MJ gets a pass on this one, just not buying that excuse.

I also had doubts because he felt Brooke Shields grew impatient of WAITING....and wanted a man to put that ...SWIGITI on her...Look at that big smile on her face in the limo at the 1984 Grammy Awards. She's smothering MJ in the backseat. Mike could have had that, married her and had kids.

I have my reasons as to why i feel he was innocent

As I said, nevermind.

But this "there GOT to be somebody/something" mentality is a unfair and dangerous thing in fact. And it is exactly how accusations against MJ won their plausibility in public eyes.

There GOT to be a woman. And if there is no woman

there GOT to be a man. And if there is no man as well

...it got to be a child.

(Or a dog. Or a mannequin. Or a jap girl in synthesis. SOMEBODY)

Whereas sometimes there is in fact... nobody.

I am not speaking about MJ now (for he did it on the backseat ). But the world is full of people with different kind of sexual (or psychic) disturbances - and they have hard time because of this "there got to be somebody" shit

thanks media or whatever.

So I've been listening to 'it', as everybody else.

Right at this moment, I have to agree, out of the bunch, "Breaking News" does sound the most bizarre (regarding the vocals).

Overall, I think most of it is pretty generic pop, to be honest. And the better songs have been ruined by the production...which might be a reason for that. I even preferred the Pulse version of "Behind The Mask". And what's with that smooth jazz sax solo crap and the fake crowd fx?

The Teddy Riley tracks sound like New Jack Swing / 90's Teddy Riley ca Dangerous. The Lenny Kravitz track starts promisingly (great opening lyric!), but ends up being a pretty generic Kravitz "rocker" with MJ on the vocals.

"Hold My Hand" is an Akon song plain and simple, and the weakest of them all. "Monster" is forgettable. A few sappy late-era MJ ballads, a direction of his I always hated (not including the classic ones from the 80's, I'm talking post-Dangerous)

[Edited 12/7/10 1:55am]

Back to the music.

Love or hate it..... "Keep Your Head up" is gonna be the best track that relates to r&b and hip hop radio.

If your one of those who thinks who cares about Urban radio. In the USA its very important because pop radio stations dont show Mike love. There obsessed with younger artist.

Urban radio is what carried the Invincible album

greatpink said:

BabyBeMine said:

No thats not what made me feel MJ was 100% innocent.

Umm what made me me lean towards guilt at one time was the weak excuse of his manager kicked Tatiana off the Bad tour...If a MALE superstar is feeling a CHICK...She's gonna stay...But MJ gets a pass on this one, just not buying that excuse.

I also had doubts because he felt Brooke Shields grew impatient of WAITING....and wanted a man to put that ...SWIGITI on her...Look at that big smile on her face in the limo at the 1984 Grammy Awards. She's smothering MJ in the backseat. Mike could have had that, married her and had kids.

I have my reasons as to why i feel he was innocent

As I said, nevermind.

But this "there GOT to be somebody/something" mentality is a unfair and dangerous thing in fact. And it is exactly how accusations against MJ won their plausibility in public eyes.

There GOT to be a woman. And if there is no woman

there GOT to be a man. And if there is no man as well

...it got to be a child.

(Or a dog. Or a mannequin. Or a jap girl in synthesis. SOMEBODY)

Whereas sometimes there is in fact... nobody.

I am not speaking about MJ now (for he did it on the backseat ). But the world is full of people with different kind of sexual (or psychic) disturbances - and they have hard time because of this "there got to be somebody" shit

thanks media or whatever.

hey, thats fucking insightful, don't see that kind of thought around here much of the time.

DarlingDiana said:

Why do so many criticize the "King of Pop" for making "generic pop"? He invented "generic pop".

Because he was also much more than just generic pop. That's what we love about him.

bboy87 said:

Since Hold My Hand isn't doing too well on the charts, I think it would be cool for them to release Hollywood Tonight as the next single

put it on iTunes with a radio edit, 2 remixes, and maybe another unreleased track as a b-side and the sales will go through the roof

Bboy - at least let the video come out before you write it off completely.

Why they left the video production so late in the piece dumfounds me. It should have been ready the day it hit itunes.

I think with the video it will get more warranted attention - will it go top 10 - not sure but not undoable.

[Edited 12/7/10 4:24am]

DarlingDiana said:

Why do so many criticize the "King of Pop" for making "generic pop"? He invented "generic pop".

Perhaps I should clarify. By "generic pop" I meant the contemporary mass-produced, cookie-cutter, same-sounding garbage that's playing on the radio these days (Akon or "modern R&B" is a perfect example).

Thriller wasn't "generic pop". It wasn't that in 1982, and it isn't that in 2010. It was a piece of art, and artistic statement, crafted in the pop idiom, that still sounds fresh today. The songs on that record are unique, flavorful and have variation. And this was true back then, and as a true testament to it, it's still true today.

Babybemine you are doing my head in. I never know which side of an argument you are on as you seem to argue facts for and against your own points of view - dismissing them on the one hand then using them to garner sway on another point.

From what I have seen of you on here you are a passionate fan of Michael's OTW and Thriller, and feel he lost it after that. Am I right in assuming that?
Be clear, I'm not saying you are wrong for thinking it - it's your opinion and not more right than my contention that Michael continues to grow and develop as an artist and that HiStory is amongst his finest works for both the personal nature of the songs and his delivery both musically and vocally - there's soul a plenty for me on that album.

I have to wonder though if your criticism of other's points of view is just to wage an argument and be critical without being constructive and informative.

It's ok to disagree just check your tone on it. And I know maybe you are an easy target for people on here to vent on - and that aint right either. But dish respect and you'll get respect.

You have mentioned that you knew Michael personally, and I know we'd all love to know more. When was this, how? I am sure you have some interesting stories to share.

bboy? Who insulted you and what does nuccas mean? Im on the subject of Michael Jackson..

I honestly think Sony should CAN the whole album. To much controversy and i said this last week.

Dude is gone and as will i am has said....enjoy his legacy. Stop obsessing over new material

Its like a Floyd Mayweather fan obsessing over a fight with Pacquiao. He dont want it because he know he gonna get his ass kicked. Funny how when 50 year old Shane Mosley with the same ass predictable right hand came calling...Floyd was like...yea ill fight you..Why? Cause Shane is old with one hand......

Enjoy the old material

Swa said:

Babybemine you are doing my head in. I never know which side of an argument you are on as you seem to argue facts for and against your own points of view - dismissing them on the one hand then using them to garner sway on another point.

From what I have seen of you on here you are a passionate fan of Michael's OTW and Thriller, and feel he lost it after that. Am I right in assuming that?
Be clear, I'm not saying you are wrong for thinking it - it's your opinion and not more right than my contention that Michael continues to grow and develop as an artist and that HiStory is amongst his finest works for both the personal nature of the songs and his delivery both musically and vocally - there's soul a plenty for me on that album.

I have to wonder though if your criticism of other's points of view is just to wage an argument and be critical without being constructive and informative.

It's ok to disagree just check your tone on it. And I know maybe you are an easy target for people on here to vent on - and that aint right either. But dish respect and you'll get respect.

You have mentioned that you knew Michael personally, and I know we'd all love to know more. When was this, how? I am sure you have some interesting stories to share.

One of the reason why i may com across so certain is because i knew him. I will just keep it at that and not talk about it like his nephew on twitter each and everyday.

I never said MJ lost it after Off The Wall and Thriller. I loved the Bad album and liked some tracks on Dangerous. History was aiiiight and Invincible i felt brought MJ back to his roots with one weakness, DANCE TRACKS

Put "Hollywood Tonight" type tracks that are completed in place of that video game heartbreaker beat and its a classic. Invincible has no dance tracks to go with Butterflies, Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens

Im sure some die hard fans will say heeeeeeey i can dance to Unbreakable or Heartbreaker....OK....Im talking non fans. The beats dont flow and sound overproduced like they were trying to hard.

Invincible Slow Jams and Vocals were great

Fast tracks...Horrible...

BabyBeMine said:

Swa said:

Babybemine you are doing my head in. I never know which side of an argument you are on as you seem to argue facts for and against your own points of view - dismissing them on the one hand then using them to garner sway on another point.

From what I have seen of you on here you are a passionate fan of Michael's OTW and Thriller, and feel he lost it after that. Am I right in assuming that?
Be clear, I'm not saying you are wrong for thinking it - it's your opinion and not more right than my contention that Michael continues to grow and develop as an artist and that HiStory is amongst his finest works for both the personal nature of the songs and his delivery both musically and vocally - there's soul a plenty for me on that album.

I have to wonder though if your criticism of other's points of view is just to wage an argument and be critical without being constructive and informative.

It's ok to disagree just check your tone on it. And I know maybe you are an easy target for people on here to vent on - and that aint right either. But dish respect and you'll get respect.

You have mentioned that you knew Michael personally, and I know we'd all love to know more. When was this, how? I am sure you have some interesting stories to share.

One of the reason why i may com across so certain is because i knew him. I will just keep it at that and not talk about it like his nephew on twitter each and everyday.

I never said MJ lost it after Off The Wall and Thriller. I loved the Bad album and liked some tracks on Dangerous. History was aiiiight and Invincible i felt brought MJ back to his roots with one weakness, DANCE TRACKS

Put "Hollywood Tonight" type tracks that are completed in place of that video game heartbreaker beat and its a classic. Invincible has no dance tracks to go with Butterflies, Break of Dawn, Heaven Can Wait, Whatever Happens

Im sure some die hard fans will say heeeeeeey i can dance to Unbreakable or Heartbreaker....OK....Im talking non fans. The beats dont flow and sound overproduced like they were trying to hard.

You definition of every day is 4 days a week?

I the point is, and others have made it, that the way you go about making a point and putting forward an opinion can result in either a pointless argument or a constructive debate that is enjoyable. A lot of the posts of yours I have read seem to be more of the former. They seem almost designed to antagonise. Think about re-phrasing how you say things and maybe you won't find yourself under attack all the time.

The above example: it has been stated to you that he was on twitter 4 times in a week, Teddy hundreds, yet you HAVE to say "each and every day" knowing it is wrong and stating it like a fact. Just stop and think about how you write things. Please.

DarlingDiana said:

Why do so many criticize the "King of Pop" for making "generic pop"? He invented "generic pop".

personally, I thought it was a dubious, silly title, one that distracted from his artistry and fueled the idea that he was just a pop artist. I hate to criticize Mike now that he's gone but I think those kinds of publicity moves took him further and further away from what he was in his prime: an unstoppable,undeniable force of nature. There was always plenty of artistry in Mike's work, plenty of depth, subltlety, you can't really put him in a league of the George Michaels, or Madonna's or people who generally are thought of as having nothing substantial to say. Mike was a giant and sure as hell a lot bigger than a title like King Of Pop.