MickyDolenz said:

PoppyBros said:

Where's boyz ii men?

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

whitney houston back in her prime was considered pop, too.

PoppyBros said:

MickyDolenz said:

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

whitney houston back in her prime was considered pop, too.

That's why I called this an Adult Contemporary list. I have some Whitney stuff and I've never considered her R&B. R&B acts had to cross over to pop, Whitney was pop from the beggining. Clive Davis marketed her as a pop singer, not a R&B singer. Clive's whole agenda at Arista was selling to the masses. She's not like Lionel Richie, Natalie Cole, Peabo Bryson, or Michael Jackson, who started out in R&B, soul, & funk and then changed later. Whitney, Boyz II Men, & Mariah Carey were like Johnny Mathis, Dionne Warwick, and the 5th Dimension. They sang pop tunes. In Mariah's case, that's why many of her earlier pop audience abandoned her when she started doing hip hop flavored songs and having rappers on her albums.

MickyDolenz said:

PoppyBros said:

Where's boyz ii men?

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

bboy87 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

There is a style of music called pop (like Olivia Newton John), but it can also mean "popular music" or Top 40. Which is whatever is mainstream (popular with whites) on Top 40 radio at any given time. Today R&B just means music by black performers, not really Rhythm & Blues in the way it was when it 1st started like with Fats Domino.

Cerebus said:

TotalAlisa said:

I SWEAR... when i first joined this forum... i tried to be nice and not curse people out.... BUT I GOT SHORT TOLERANCE.. AND will curse anyone the F**K OUT..... im not going to try to be nice to people... IM DONE WITH IT.......

You need to either drink less coffee or up your dosage... maybe both.

I don't drink coffee...

They link R&B and Hip Hop together because the genres are both associated with black people (remember when they first began nominating rappers for Grammys? They thru them in the R&B category). But, they are two totally different genres and should not be linked. There are no Pop/Country charts. Hip Hop and R&B should be separated just like Pop and Country are.

Beyonce is only #15??? Oh my! I bet she and daddy Knowles are reeling over that number!

PoppyBros said:

Seriously Jay-Z is the only rapper? what about DMX, Ja rule, A tribe called quest, Rakim, cash money, Busta Rhymes, ect?

You have to read the entire list, there are more rappers on the list. How would Rakim, Busta Rhymes and Tribe Called Quest make this list of the most successful acts of the past 25 years? And who is Cash Money?

I'm trying to figure out how Tevin Campbell made it on the list?

kitbradley said:

bboy87 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

Well, wasn't the thing with MJ is that he kinda helped in making pop its own genre or redefining it? Though, according to history, r&b and pop were always considered to go hand in hand until the Beatles came along in the 60s.

midiscover said:

What are you talking about? You keep saying present the facts when Billboard already did. The list isn't about who has the most #1's, genius. It's based off the amount of time spent on the chart and the amount of singles that charted.

Well, they missed one of Janet's - she has 16 No. 1 R&B singles. While she did not receive credit on the Hot 100 for "Diamonds", she did receive credit on the R&B chart the week it hit #1. But, they often forget it when they compile these lists as the credit was not applied consistently across the charts when they were originally printed. For example, when Call On Me hit #1, Fred Bronson reported that it was her fifteenth.

Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

Well, wasn't the thing with MJ is that he kinda helped in making pop its own genre or redefining it? Though, according to history, r&b and pop were always considered to go hand in hand until the Beatles came along in the 60s.

There was pop music long before the J5 came along. R&B was not pop before the Beatles. R&B was called "Race" music in Billboard, then "Black", then "Soul", etc. R&B has gone through several names throughout the years. Technically "Rock N' Roll" (which was old black slang for sex) was just "Rhythm and Blues" sang by whites (like jazz performed by whites was called "swing"), and was sometimes mixed with "Country & Western" and called "Rockabilly". Some whites called black music "Jungle Bunny" music, especially jazz & ragtime. Pop music before the Beatles was like Pat Boone, Bobby Darin, Doris Day, Johnny Mathis, and Frankie Avalon. During the 60's teen idol singers such as Bobby Sherman was pop and then there were "Surf Pop" acts like Jan & Dean. There was "girl pop" too, like Leslie Gore, The Dixie Cups, The Angels, and The Shirelles. Crooners like Bing Crosby were also considered pop, although later some people called it "Easy Listening" (like those Columbia Club '12 albums for a penny' ads), which is a name like "Race" that no one uses anymore.

kitbradley said:

They link R&B and Hip Hop together because the genres are both associated with black people (remember when they first began nominating rappers for Grammys? They thru them in the R&B category). But, they are two totally different genres and should not be linked. There are no Pop/Country charts. Hip Hop and R&B should be separated just like Pop and Country are.

Exactly.

Unholyalliance said:

bboy87 said:

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

Well, wasn't the thing with MJ is that he kinda helped in making pop its own genre or redefining it? Though, according to history, r&b and pop were always considered to go hand in hand until the Beatles came along in the 60s.

Pop music was already its own genre but when it first started, it was basically crooners like Frank Sinatra and Nat "King" Cole. Then when Elvis and 'em came through, the format of "pop music" started to change as a form of popular mainstream music though their music was not classified as such. I credit Motown and the Beatles for making pop music as an art form to be honest.

MickyDolenz said:

There was pop music long before the J5 came along. R&B was not pop before the Beatles. R&B was called "Race" music in Billboard, then "Black", then "Soul", etc. R&B has gone through several names throughout the years. Technically "Rock N' Roll" (which was old black slang for sex) was just "Rhythm and Blues" sang by whites (like jazz performed by whites was called "swing"), and was sometimes mixed with "Country & Western" and called "Rockabilly". Some whites called black music "Jungle Bunny" music, especially jazz & ragtime. Pop music before the Beatles was like Pat Boone, Bobby Darin, Doris Day, Johnny Mathis, and Frankie Avalon. During the 60's teen idol singers such as Bobby Sherman was pop and then there were "Surf Pop" acts like Jan & Dean. There was "girl pop" too, like Leslie Gore, The Dixie Cups, The Angels, and The Shirelles. Crooners like Bing Crosby were also considered pop, although later some people called it "Easy Listening" (like those Columbia Club '12 albums for a penny' ads), which is a name like "Race" that no one uses anymore.

lol Of course there was. I meant in the 80s. Usually him, Madonna, and Prince are all credited for redefining pop music during that time.

http://www.time.com/time/...02,00.html

I was reading this and I thought that this paragraph seemed to be interesting:

How were they a problem?
The Beatles were the first superstar pop group to simply cease to exist except on record. As late as the 1940s, pop music was what bands played when people went out dancing. The records were just what you listened to at home. The Beatles were the first group to realize that pop had become records, and that they never needed to step on a stage again in their lives. That's a huge shift, and [although] I think it would have happened without them, they were the catalysts.

The thing I'm not at all sure would have happened without them is the racial split. American pop music has always been an interaction between black and white musicians — and it's often oversimplified into black musicians creating and white musicians stealing. But black musicians always kept up with what the white musicians were doing, just the way that white musicians tried to keep up with what the black musicians were doing. By 1963, the pop charts really were intensely integrated. Billboard magazine stopped having a separate pop and R&B chart because the two charts were virtually identical. And the Beatles single-handedly re-segregated those charts. The Beatles hit white America like the biggest thing to happen maybe ever, and they hardly hit black America at all.

^ That was interesting.

bboy87 said:

MickyDolenz said:

They're not R&B either. They're pop.

A friend of mine said that pop wasn't a real genre

But then again, he also classified Justin Beiber as R&B......

LOL , He's Pop&B I have nothing against Justin.

Congrats to Kells, he deserves that

Unholyalliance said:

I was reading this and I thought that this paragraph seemed to be interesting:

How were they a problem?
The Beatles were the first superstar pop group to simply cease to exist except on record. As late as the 1940s, pop music was what bands played when people went out dancing. The records were just what you listened to at home. The Beatles were the first group to realize that pop had become records, and that they never needed to step on a stage again in their lives. That's a huge shift, and [although] I think it would have happened without them, they were the catalysts.

The thing I'm not at all sure would have happened without them is the racial split. American pop music has always been an interaction between black and white musicians — and it's often oversimplified into black musicians creating and white musicians stealing. But black musicians always kept up with what the white musicians were doing, just the way that white musicians tried to keep up with what the black musicians were doing. By 1963, the pop charts really were intensely integrated. Billboard magazine stopped having a separate pop and R&B chart because the two charts were virtually identical. And the Beatles single-handedly re-segregated those charts. The Beatles hit white America like the biggest thing to happen maybe ever, and they hardly hit black America at all.

This is historically inaccurate . . . . what Billboard decided to do or not do with charts didn't have any bearing on how radio and TV marked and sold music. Nor, did Billboard have any bearing

whatsoever on where Black musicians or it's black auidence could or couldn't hear/see black musicians perform. I understand to some degree the amalgamation that's taken place between black's and white in the U.S. (especially southern culture) but for anyone to sit up and write (whom ever the author was ) that white musicians and black musicians routinely shared a musical kinship is false. He or she doesn't have a understanding of Jim Crow, segregation down South or up South -how the migration of some Black's to the North shaped African American art, music, and culture. Please.

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Graycap23 said:

If R Kelly is at the top of the list..........no wonder music is dead.

Thank you . . .