Cerebus said:

TotalAlisa said:

its not fact... if it were really based on the fact of how many number 1 rnb songs an artist had janet would be number 1 on the list not r kelly

It's not based on number one singles, it's based on a bunch of different collected data. R Kelly has released a truckload more albums than Janet, all of which had multiple charting singles. I love Janet and all, but she has NOT had 56 top 40 R&B singles in the last 25 years.

Eh they actually released the same amount of albums...

midiscover said:

Cerebus said:

It's not based on number one singles, it's based on a bunch of different collected data. R Kelly has released a truckload more albums than Janet, all of which had multiple charting singles. I love Janet and all, but she has NOT had 56 top 40 R&B singles in the last 25 years.

Eh they actually released the same amount of albums...

Yeah, well.... I don't know. I know R Kelly has been more REGULARLY present on radio when I listen. Janet just seems to get the same old songs played.

TotalAlisa said:

musicjunky318 said:

Why is it a joke? It's fact not opinion.

its not fact... if it were really based on the fact of how many number 1 rnb songs an artist had janet would be number 1 on the list not r kelly

Fail. It's fact and it's not based the amount of #1's. If it was I think Aretha or James Brown would be number one, not Janet.

Cerebus said:

midiscover said:

Eh they actually released the same amount of albums...

Yeah, well.... I don't know. I know R Kelly has been more REGULARLY present on radio when I listen. Janet just seems to get the same old songs played.

His music is always being played on radio. Old R&B stations, Urban and Pop play his music all the time. I guess his music is more consistent, Idk.

Janet barely gets any airplay.

How has Janet released the same amount of albums as R Kelly, though? (She may have released more, even.) She must have released them a lot faster back at the beginning of her career. Because the certainly don't appear frequently these days.

I wonder of R Kelly's songs with other people are part of his count, or if it's just solo tracks?

Cerebus said:

How has Janet released the same amount of albums as R Kelly, though? (She may have released more, even.) She must have released them a lot faster back at the beginning of her career. Because the certainly don't appear frequently these days.

I wonder of R Kelly's songs with other people are part of his count, or if it's just solo tracks?

Janet doesn't appear frequently these days because her recent music is being put on the back burner. So people think her music stopped in 2001. Yea, collabs count for both of them.

Janet

• Janet Jackson (1982)
• Dream Street (1984)
• Control (1986)
• Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 (1989)
• janet. (1993)
• The Velvet Rope (1997)
• All for You (2001)
• Damita Jo (2004)
• 20 Y.O. (2006)
• Discipline (2008)

R. Kelly

• 12 Play (1993)
• R. Kelly (1995)
• R. (1998)
• TP-2.com (2000)
• Chocolate Factory (2003)
• Happy People/U Saved Me (2004)
• TP.3 Reloaded (2005)
• Double Up (2007)
• Untitled (2009)

Oh yea

Collaboration albums

• Born into the 90's (1992) (with Public Announcement)
• The Best of Both Worlds (2002) (with Jay-Z)
• Unfinished Business (2004) (with Jay-Z)
  

Overall R. Kelly released 46 singles in his career. Janet released 61.

Timmy84 said:

Trying to link "Urban" music together.

Is that the new word for "Race" music? For the most part it looks like an Adult Contemporary list not R&B. Sharon Jones & The Dap Kings, Brand New Heavies, or Raul Midon is R&B to me, but they get no radio play. I quit listening to to the radio in early 1991. So most of the popular acts in any genre after then I've never actually listened to.

midiscover said:

Cerebus said:

Yeah, well.... I don't know. I know R Kelly has been more REGULARLY present on radio when I listen. Janet just seems to get the same old songs played.

His music is always being played on radio. Old R&B stations, Urban and Pop play his music all the time. I guess his music is more consistent, Idk.

Janet barely gets any airplay.

Janet Jackson don't need airplay

and Damn @ Freddie Jackson being mentioned in a top 10 list in 2010

See, I'm using Discogs, which says 15 for R (which IS counting compilations, but isn't counting the new one, so 16) and 17 for Janet (which is counting a couple compilations and re-releases).

It also says 72 singles and EPs for R (the Trapped In The Closet releases were EPs, I believe), 79 singles and EPs for Janet.

However, the Billboard article at the beginning of this thread (which uses their own data) says R has had 84 charting singles and "The R&B icon continued to post new chart achievements in 2010, as he notched his 56th top 40 single with "When a Woman Loves."

So... whatever! It's confusing, which is part of why this stuff doesn't really matter.

Janet's album releases have been far more regular than I realized, though.

Cerebus said:

See, I'm using Discogs, which says 15 for R (which IS counting compilations, but isn't counting the new one, so 16) and 17 for Janet (which is counting a couple compilations and re-releases).

It also says 72 singles and EPs for R (the Trapped In The Closet releases were EPs, I believe), 79 singles and EPs for Janet.

However, the Billboard article at the beginning of this thread (which uses their own data) says R has had 84 charting singles and "The R&B icon continued to post new chart achievements in 2010, as he notched his 56th top 40 single with "When a Woman Loves."

So... whatever! It's confusing, which is part of why this stuff doesn't really matter.

Janet's album releases have been far more regular than I realized, though.

84 chartings which includes non-singles because he hasn't released that many singles.

and that's what everyone says about Janet

bboy87 said:

midiscover said:

His music is always being played on radio. Old R&B stations, Urban and Pop play his music all the time. I guess his music is more consistent, Idk.

Janet barely gets any airplay.

Janet Jackson don't need airplay

and Damn @ Freddie Jackson being mentioned in a top 10 list in 2010

Yes, she does It's a shame people only remember her for her 80's to All for You hits.

He looks so misplaced.

[Edited 11/18/10 22:43pm]

midiscover said:

Cerebus said:

See, I'm using Discogs, which says 15 for R (which IS counting compilations, but isn't counting the new one, so 16) and 17 for Janet (which is counting a couple compilations and re-releases).

It also says 72 singles and EPs for R (the Trapped In The Closet releases were EPs, I believe), 79 singles and EPs for Janet.

However, the Billboard article at the beginning of this thread (which uses their own data) says R has had 84 charting singles and "The R&B icon continued to post new chart achievements in 2010, as he notched his 56th top 40 single with "When a Woman Loves."

So... whatever! It's confusing, which is part of why this stuff doesn't really matter.

Janet's album releases have been far more regular than I realized, though.

84 chartings which includes non-singles because he hasn't released that many singles.

and that's what everyone says about Janet

Well, I'm not claiming Billboard is a pillar of journalism or anything, but the article is using their own data (which is probably computerized so nobody has to think) and it says "singles". So I'm thinking it has something to do with including the additional 98 single and EP appearances Discogs shows for R. That would actually make a LITTLE bit of sense and explain why he would be that far ahead of some other artists. Nothing against her, but the same goes for Mary J. Blige. She's appeared on a gazillion singles by other artists.

Cerebus said:

midiscover said:

84 chartings which includes non-singles because he hasn't released that many singles.

and that's what everyone says about Janet

Well, I'm not claiming Billboard is a pillar of journalism or anything, but the article is using their own data (which is probably computerized so nobody has to think) and it says "singles". So I'm thinking it has something to do with including the additional 98 single and EP appearances Discogs shows for R. That would actually make a LITTLE bit of sense and explain why he would be that far ahead of some other artists. Nothing against her, but the same goes for Mary J. Blige. She's appeared on a gazillion singles by other artists.

That's true but I think even without the features they would still be where they are on the list.

midiscover said:

TotalAlisa said:

its not fact... if it were really based on the fact of how many number 1 rnb songs an artist had janet would be number 1 on the list not r kelly

Fail. It's fact and it's not based the amount of #1's. If it was I think Aretha or James Brown would be number one, not Janet.

ITS NOT THAT F**king serious...

i don't really care if its fact or not..... YOU FAILED... if you don't present me with the facts...

back up what you say with facts.. if you want to call out fails....

cause im going by what numbers billboard mention.. and they said JANET JACKSON has the most 1 number 1 rnb songs of the past 25 years....

What are you talking about? You keep saying present the facts when Billboard already did. The list isn't about who has the most #1's, genius. It's based off the amount of time spent on the chart and the amount of singles that charted.

midiscover said:

What are you talking about? You keep saying present the facts when Billboard already did. The list isn't about who has the most #1's, genius. It's based off the amount of time spent on the chart and the amount of singles that charted.

Im trying to figure out WTF you were talking about with the word "FAIL" ... you brought up james brown and aretha..... so give facts or stats to prove they would have the most number 1s in the past 25 years.....

Someone already replied to my response explaining how they determined the list.. I DIDN'T NEED YOU TO CHIME IN..... and repeat what was already said..... SO what are you talking about.....

LIKE I SAID... if the chart was based on number 1s in the past 25 years janet would be number 1... (that is not a F**KING FAIL) BUT OBVIOUSLY ITS NOT... and someone already explained that.....

stop BEING catty......

vainandy said:

Let's see now....25 years, that would put us back to 1985 on up to the present.

Well my, my, my...look how dull that list is. Like I've always said, 1985 is the year when things first started getting dull and look who's at number 3 on the list.

I agree with you,things really changed after 1985.

I SWEAR... when i first joined this forum... i tried to be nice and not curse people out.... BUT I GOT SHORT TOLERANCE.. AND will curse anyone the F**K OUT..... im not going to try to be nice to people... IM DONE WITH IT.......

midiscover said:

bboy87 said:

Janet Jackson don't need airplay

and Damn @ Freddie Jackson being mentioned in a top 10 list in 2010

Yes, she does It's a shame people only remember her for her 80's to All for You hits.

He looks so misplaced.

[Edited 11/18/10 22:43pm]

I just think she's proven herself enough....

and yeah he does Last time Freddie saw the top of the chart, Cross Colors was the IN thing

[Edited 11/19/10 1:04am]

I'm with bboy on this. She's a legend. If folks are that clueless that they think Janet didn't do anything past 2001 (or past 2004) that's their fault.

[Edited 11/19/10 1:22am]

trueiopian said:

Graycap23 said:

If R Kelly is at the top of the list..........no wonder music is dead.

How? He created many memorable R&B classics, not just for himself but for many other artists as well.

12 Play, his Public Announcement work and a few singles here and there are the ONLY material he made that I can listen 2.

MickyDolenz said:

I thought R&B stood for Rhythm and Blues.

Not true.

For Aretha it stands for Ribs & Bacon.

midiscover said:

It's a "joke" because MJ didn't make the Top 10

MJ does NOT belong to such unknown floppy list , he wasn't even in my mind when I said what I wanted to say.......

Failed attempt....nice try tho

Fail

TotalAlisa said:

I SWEAR... when i first joined this forum... i tried to be nice and not curse people out.... BUT I GOT SHORT TOLERANCE.. AND will curse anyone the F**K OUT..... im not going to try to be nice to people... IM DONE WITH IT.......

You need to either drink less coffee or up your dosage... maybe both.

trueiopian said:

The Top 50 R&B / Hip-Hop Artists of the Past 25 Years

In honor of the incomparable artists that have helped bring urban music to the masses over the last three decades -- and also to toast the success of our recently launched music column The Juice -- the Billboard chart team has assembled this list of the Top 50 R&B/Hip-Hop artists of the last 25 years.

The tally is based on actual performance on the weekly Hot R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums charts from Jan. 5, 1985, issue to the charts dated Nov. 6, 2010*. Artists are ranked based on an inverse point system (which just means that who ever spent the most weeks at No. 1 earned greater value than those that spent most time at the lower end of the chart).

Our list includes recent chart-toppers as well as classic favorites, platinum-selling crossover divas and quiet-storm crooners, innovators you'd expect to see and some surprising inclusions you never saw coming. But each artist is an essential voice in a genre that has become the driving force in today's popular music.

1. R. Kelly
R. Kelly crowns our list of the top 25 R&B/hip-hop artists of the past 25 years with good reason. Since January of 1985, he's amassed 35 top 10 hits on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs (the most of any act in the time frame) and a total of 84 charting singles. Among those are 11 No. 1s, including "Bump N' Grind" (12 weeks at the top) and "Down Low (Nobody Has To Know)" (seven weeks) with Ronald Isley. Further cementing Kelly's hitmaker status is his staggering 11 No. 1s on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums. The R&B icon continued to post new chart achievements in 2010, as he notched his 56th top 40 single with "When a Woman Loves."

2. Mary J. Blige
The Queen of hip-hop soul was the title bestowed upon Mary J. Blige by Sean "Diddy" Combs who worked her debut album "What's The 411?" as an A&R exec at Uptown Records in 1992. On its way to spending seven weeks at the summit of Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, No. 1 singles "You Remind Me" and "Real Love" set the stage for Blige's illustrious career as one of the genre's most celebrated artists. She has since posted 20 top 10 tracks on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, including "Be Without You" which spent a record-setting 15 weeks atop the list, and eight chart-topping albums, the most by a female in R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart history.

3. Whitney Houston
When Whitney Houston arrived on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart in 1984 as the featured guest star on Teddy Pendergrass' No. 5 hit "Hold Me," many knew that chart success was in her future. After all, it was in her genes: mother Cissy Houston was a respected gospel/R&B singer (and member of the Sweet Inspirations) and cousin Dionne Warwick had been a staple on the Billboard charts for decades. But no one could have expected just how big Houston would become. The diva not only went on to earn eight No. 1 singles on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, but also landed five No. 1s on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, including her most recent, 2009's "I Look To You."

4. Mariah Carey
Having celebrated 20 years of conquering Billboard charts in 2010, Carey counts numerous records among her achievements. In addition to 10 No. 1s on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs and five on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, her 18 Hot 100 No. 1s are the most among solo acts (and second only to the Beatles' 20) and "One Sweet Day," with Boyz II Men, remains the chart's longest-reigning No. 1 (16 weeks, 1995-96). With 52.7 million albums sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan, Carey stands as the best-selling R&B album artist (and third overall after Garth Brooks and the Beatles) since SoundScan began tracking sales in 1991.

5. Janet Jackson
With a staggering 15 No. 1 singles on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, Janet Jackson owns the most toppers on the tally in the past 25 years. Only R. Kelly and Usher, with 11 each, come close to the diva in that span of time. (Even Jackson's superstar older brother Michael trails, with just eight in that span of time.) Between the years of 1985 and 2001, Janet Jackson was an unstoppable force on the charts, landing more top 10s than any other act: 27. Going further, from 1985 through 2004, Jackson amassed 33 consecutive top 40 hits, beginning with the No. 40-peaking "Fast Girls" through the No. 18 hit "I Want You."

6. Usher
Since arriving modestly on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs with the No. 56-peaking "Call Me a Mack" (from the movie "Poetic Justice," starring Janet Jackson) in 1993, and on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums a year later with his self-titled debut set, which peaked at No. 25, Usher has gone on to sell 22.1 million albums, according to Nielsen SoundScan. Among his more recent non-chart-related credits: discovering Justin Bieber and being named one of Glamour's "50 Sexiest Men of 2010." (The mentor may have taught his protege a little too well: Usher placed at No. 38 on the list. Bieber ranked No. 7).

7. Luther Vandross
The silky-voiced singer placed 36 hits on the R&B/Hip-Hop Songs chart, including 20 top 10s and six No. 1s, between 1985 and 2007. Sadly, his last two appearances followed his passing in 2005 at age 54. Key to Vandross' staying power was his ability to connect with younger audiences, courtesy of duets with Janet Jackson and Mariah Carey in the '90s and Beyonce in 2004. Before he suffered a debilitating stroke in 2003, he recorded "Dance With My Father," which he co-wrote with pop singer/songwriter Richard Marx. The touching ballad won the 2004 song of the year Grammy Award and Vandross' album of the same name became his first to top the Billboard 200.

8. Jay-Z
Shawn "Jay-Z" Carter has come a long way from having to form his own record label, along with Damon Dash and Kareem "Biggs" Burke, in 1996 to release to his music after being rejected by label after label. After his critically acclaimed debut "Reasonable Doubt" peaked at No. 3 on R&B/Hip-Hop Albums and sophomore release "In My Lifetime, Vol. 1" capped out at No. 2, his breakthrough album "Vol. 2 - Hard Knock Life" spent six weeks atop the list in 1998. Overall, the Brooklyn emcee has posted a record 11 No. 1 albums (including two shared with R. Kelly) and on R&B/Hip-Hop Songs, holds the most charted titles in the list's history with a fitting 99.

9. Freddie Jackson
Pop fans may not be overly familiar with Freddie Jackson's hit singles (as he's never reached the top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100) but the singer/songwriter was a core hitmaking act on our R&B charts between 1985 and 1999, with a string of 18 top 10 hits starting with the No. 1 "Rock Me Tonight" in 1985 up through 1992's No. 2 hit "I Could Use a Little Love (Right Now)." On R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, he landed four straight No. 1s, including a 26-week reign with 1986's "Just Like the First Time" -- the third-longest run at No. 1 in the history of the chart. Only MC Hammer's "Please Hammer Don't Hurt 'Em" (with 29 weeks at the top) and Michael Jackson's "Thriller" (37 weeks) were bigger.


10. Alicia Keys
Alicia Keys exploded onto R&B/Hip-Hop Songs in 2001 with her anthem "Fallin' " spending four weeks atop the chart and has never looked back. Every one of her five albums has reached the summit of R&B/Hip-Hop Albums, including her latest, "The Element of Freedom," which opened 2010 with five weeks at the top. The classically-trained pianist-turned-singer has sold a staggering 17.1 million albums in the U.S., according to Nielsen SoundScan, in her nine-year history, making her No. 10 ranking on this list well-deserved.


Rest of the list: http://www.billboard.com/...ory?page=5

Does anyone know why they put Hip-Hop with R&B?

This list is shit!

Where's boyz ii men? If im not mistaken they had plenty more hits then #1, 2, 6, 8, 9, especially 10!

Jay-z? He only had three. An white person made this list up, I can tell.

Seriously Jay-Z is the only rapper? what about DMX, Ja rule, A tribe called quest, Rakim, cash money, Busta Rhymes, ect?

MickyDolenz said:

For the most part it looks like an Adult Contemporary list not R&B.

That's exactly what it looks like. The only thing missing is Barbara Streisand and Neil Diamond.

PoppyBros said:

This list is shit!

Where's boyz ii men? If im not mistaken they had plenty more hits then #1, 2, 6, 8, 9, especially 10!

Jay-z? He only had three. A white person made this list up, I can tell.

LOL.

PoppyBros said:

Where's boyz ii men?

They're not R&B either. They're pop.