Swa said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

I gave you my list already release the solo albums (OWT-Invincible) with added demos and outtakes, 2 unreleased albums, a tour dvd and the Decade album

Decade had new tracks on there also

I know you did i but I guess I wanted a timeline.

I think it's easy to say they should release this and that (at least I did) it's when you start plotting it out that it becomings increasingly difficult - how do you appeal to fans who will buy demos and appeal to the general public with other releases.

THAT, my friend, is the question!

piepie1976 said:

ViintageJunkiie said:

It's a nice song...except for that random copy and paste ad-lib from Earth Song

It'd be nicer if it was actually MJ singing. On a related note...why does Much Too Soon sound like a Carpenters song? Is it from the mid-70s?

Much Too Soon was written in 1981, but the vocals sound much later (Possibly Dangerous era)

^^ Has anyone considered that the leaks out there might be fan made versions - looping sections, adding sections etc. I mean the version of DYKWYCA with "dirty harry" intro is obviously fan made opposed to the actual clean version.

I'm waiting til I hear official tracks on the official album before I comment on the remaining tracks.

Here's what Michael Jackson's Vision DVD Box-Set package looks like. (not me in photo) Looks like he works in a store because you can see in the background what looks like to be where products are shipped and stocked,perhaps..

Swa said:

^^ Has anyone considered that the leaks out there might be fan made versions - looping sections, adding sections etc. I mean the version of DYKWYCA with "dirty harry" intro is obviously fan made opposed to the actual clean version.

I'm waiting til I hear official tracks on the official album before I comment on the remaining tracks.

My version of DYKWYCA doesnt have that, plus that song wont even be on the album

tangerine7 said:

Here's what Michael Jackson's Vision DVD Box-Set package looks like. (not me in photo) Looks like he works in a store because you can see in the background what looks like to be where products are shipped and stocked,perhaps..

aww look at him, total happiness!

Swa said:

^^ Has anyone considered that the leaks out there might be fan made versions - looping sections, adding sections etc. I mean the version of DYKWYCA with "dirty harry" intro is obviously fan made opposed to the actual clean version.

I'm waiting til I hear official tracks on the official album before I comment on the remaining tracks.

I know my copy is clean, no interruptions, cd like quality.

ViintageJunkiie said:

Swa said:

^^ Has anyone considered that the leaks out there might be fan made versions - looping sections, adding sections etc. I mean the version of DYKWYCA with "dirty harry" intro is obviously fan made opposed to the actual clean version.

I'm waiting til I hear official tracks on the official album before I comment on the remaining tracks.

My version of DYKWYCA doesnt have that, plus that song wont even be on the album

I know - I was just using it as an example to highlight how fans have even taken clean tracks and added to them. Thus the same could have happened with leaks.

paisleypark4 said:

tangerine7 said:

Here's what Michael Jackson's Vision DVD Box-Set package looks like. (not me in photo) Looks like he works in a store because you can see in the background what looks like to be where products are shipped and stocked,perhaps..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1153.snc4/149577_1578866925515_1650923211_1380032_3655788_n.jpg

aww look at him, total happiness!

Yeah Dude does look happy.

paisleypark4 said:

Swa said:

^^ Has anyone considered that the leaks out there might be fan made versions - looping sections, adding sections etc. I mean the version of DYKWYCA with "dirty harry" intro is obviously fan made opposed to the actual clean version.

I'm waiting til I hear official tracks on the official album before I comment on the remaining tracks.

I know my copy is clean, no interruptions, cd like quality.

Yeah I have a couple clean copies too. But I do wanna hear the final 'product'

Akon's inspirational track with Michael Jackson, "Hold My Hand," was released as the official first single from Jackson's posthumous album, Michael. It is a track that was completely finished before Jackson's death. However, many of the tracks on the album are pieced-together parts of songs Jackson was working on before his death. Akon told MTV News he has no plans to release any unfinished business he and Jackson worked on.

http://www.mtv.com/videos...acks.jhtml

"I'm definitely excited about our single, because that was finished, complete, and I'm happy with the outcome," Akon explained. "And I know [Jackson] was [happy] 'cause we were there finishing the song together, so I'm really happy about what we accomplished on that record 'Hold My Hand.' " So, what was the concept Akon and Jackson tried to deliver on the song? "We was trying to find the unity, like what can we possibly translate that can bring the world together?" he remembered. "It was a song I was previously working on that I eventually let [Jackson] hear, and when he heard it, he fell in love with it. ... We clicked instantly when it came to it. That was the main concept: Let's figure out something we can leave behind, in 20,000 years later it can still be relevant." It's an idea Akon and Jackson thought a lot about and can be found on many of their unfinished songs, not that anyone will ever get the chance to hear them. "Me and Mike worked on a lot of concepts before he passed. 'Hold My Hand' was one of the records that was actually fully complete; the rest of the records are incomplete. They're just ideas, concepts, harmonies and stuff like that which the world will probably never see 'cause I wouldn't want to put it out unfinished," he explained. "I know at the end of the day if it wasn't fully complete, I don't think he would see it released that way. "Majority of the concepts we worked on, they were all international, worldwide," he added. "It was always the point of which everyone has to find some kind of relativity in it. That was always a challenge, and we found concepts that would do it. We just never got the chance to finish the songs, but 'Hold My Hand' was a prime example." http://www.mtv.com/news/a...akon.jhtml

[Edited 11/18/10 15:23pm]

Shanice sings with Jackson on Behind the Mask.

Shanice Wilson,the bubbly recording star who stole our hearts in the 90s with her number one hit, “I Love Your Smile,” is joining the star-studded list of artists who will be on Michael Jackson’s newest album.

Epic Records, in conjunction with the Estate of Michael Jackson , will be releasing a series of songs on a new album simply entitled, “Michael”. Shanice sings with the King of Pop on the track entitled, “Behind the Mask.” In addition to Shanice, the album features Akon, 50 Cent, Lenny Kravitz and more.

The Grammy nominated artist worked with MJ previously, singing back up on the hook of his song, "Keep The Faith" on the "Dangerous" Album. Now, she reunites with the King on track No. 9.

At age 14, Shanice released her debut album,"Discovery," which produced two top ten R&B hits including "(Baby Tell Me) Can You Dance" and "No Half Steppin.” She later landed a record deal with Motown Recordsand released the album, "Inner Child," which included Shanice’s hit single "I Love Your Smile", featuring saxophonist, Branford Marsalis, which hit #1 in 22 countries. The album, also included a cover of Minnie Ripperton’s 1974 hit “Lovin’ You” where Shanice revealed her incandescent five-octave vocal range. She has performed many duets including "Love Will Follow" with Kenny Loggins on his "Live In The Redwoods"CD, "Breathe Again" on Babyface's MTV Unplugged CD, and "If I Never Knew You", the hit single with Jon Secada from Disney's "Pocahontas". Shanice's voice has been included on soundtracks from the movies, "Boomerang", "The Meteor Man" and she sang a cover of Gladys Knight and the Pips' "If I Were Your Woman" in the movie"Panther."

The versatile diva also graced the Broadway stage for a long-term run as Eponine in the musical hit, Les Miserables. She was the first African American to ever play the role. After a five year hiatus, Shanice released her fifth studio album entitled, "Every Woman Dreams," which she placed on her own label, Imajah Records, named for her two children Imani and Elijah. She just returned from her Japan tour and is currently in the studio working on her sixth album.

Shanice took time out to chat with The Black Star News, as she reflects on how Michael Jackson impacted her life.

Since childhood, it had always been Shanice’s dream to meet Michael Jackson in person, she told BSN. “Having the honor of being on his newest release is an amazing and sentimental experience for me.”

John McClain, the current executor of Michael Jackson’s estate, is also the man who discovered Shanice at age 11. Ultimately, McClain signed Shanice to her first record deal. Shanice vividly recalls during negotiations with A&M Records, the tween siren practically made meeting Jackson a term in the contract.

At age 14, Shanice’s dream became reality. She had just gotten home from school when she got a call from someone at A&M Records saying, “Somebody would like to meet you today.” Shortly after, a limo arrived outside her home, scooped her up and delivered her to the set of Michael Jackson’s “Moonwalker” video. “It was incredible,” reminisced the star. “We sat in the trailer for about an hour. We talked about Bubbles, ( Jackson’s pet chimpanzee) and how Bubbles was doing commercials. We talked about how we shared the same vocal coach (Seth Riggs). Michael was so down to earth. I have been in the entertainment industry for a long time and have met a lot of people and I can honestly say that Michael Jackson is the biggest star that I have ever met, but he was also the most down to earth of all.”

While the album was still in the production stage, John McClainreached out to Shanice via John Nettlesby to be a part of the project. Naturally, she was thrilled. The call took her back to her early childhood, an 8-year-old child in a state of uncertainty riding a Greyhound bus, moving from Pittsburgh to California. She had no idea the future would hold such good fortune. “People kept telling me I was going to Hollywood where all the stars were! I was so excited because I thought there would be stars everywhere, just walking down the street. As soon as I stepped off of the bus I asked, ‘Where is Michael Jackson?’ But to my disappointment I found out that the stars on the streets of Hollywood that people were referring to was the Walk of Fame,” she giggled.

Working on “Behind the Mask” was poignant. Many of the songs on the new album were in their rough stages and had to be completed after the King’s untimely passing. Shanice had difficulty holding back tears in attempts to sing the song. “As soon as the music came on and I heard Michael’s voice, I would start to cry.” But the seasoned professional got it done with the support of others around her. John Nettlesby, for instance, who contributed to production of the vocals, eased the pain by chatting and sharing fun stories about Michael throughout the recording session.

Shanice is the wife of film star, Flex Alexander, and the mother of their two children ~ nine-year-old Imani, and six- year-old Elijah.and six- year-old Elijah.


When asked what it’s like to juggle family and career she stated, “Wearing so many hats can be overwhelming at times, but I love it. Having a family and a career is something that I prayed for. It’s a lot of work, but it has many rewards. In fact, on my way home from the airport after my recent tour in Japan, I ended up having to stop and pick my kids up from school,” she included with a chuckle.

Shanice is as big a star being a wife and mom to her family as she is to her fans who love her across the globe, for her music. In the kitchen, she shines, too. But that has not always been the case. Shanice reflects on earlier times, being a bachelorette and living alone, often feasting on a menu that included Dominoes Pizza or PB&J sandwiches. When she got married, those abbreviated dishes did not go over too well with the man of the house. Flex, although sensitive to her feelings, found a way to let her know that as much as he loves pizza, he thought that having a wife meant that maybe sometimes she would cook something.

Luckily for the all concerned, Flex’s mom, came to the rescue and taught Shanice how to whip up Flex’s favorite dishes. Now she is a hit in the kitchen, and the #1 chart topper is her Sweet Potato pie, and just in time for the holidays!

NaughtyKitty said:

I think these people make some good points:

MJAN Calls for an End to Diversion Tactics

MJAN Calls for an End to Diversion Tactics

We at MJAN call for an end to diversions, and for a return of attention by media, fans, and Michael Jackson’s family, to what is really important – a focus on Michael’s unsolved homicide. According to the charges brought against Michael Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, Michael lost his life at the hands of another. No one has yet been brought to justice for Michael’s death. In many ways the plot seems to have been lost amidst confusion about the authenticity of some songs on the upcoming album, Michael, and in the apparent chaos of his mother’s income-generating schemes, in-fighting among family members, interviews, and combative blurbs on social networking sites. What has been lost in all the digressive chatter, is the fact that justice for Michael remains to be served.

Randy Jackson, Michael’s brother, conducted a Twitter interview with Michael’s fans On Nov. 17. It is not clear why he would turn to social media and conversations with strangers, to voice his concerns? (Those are not hisfans anyway, but those of his deceased brother.} Regardless, he spoke about a rift between the Jackson family and the estate executors, John Branca and John McClain. If there are issues with the executors of the estate, should that not be a matter for the courts? in response to a question about a possible conspiracy in his brother’s death, Randy simply tweeted, “This story has not ended, things are still unfolding.” If the family members have concerns about the way in which Michael died, why are they not outraged and calling for justice, instead of chatting online with fans about a variety of topics?

That Michael Jackson’s mother and children were interviewed by Oprah Winfrey displays questionable judgment and raises concerns about the emotional safety of Michael’s children. Leaked music has generated controversy about the authenticity of at least some of the songs on Michael’s upcoming album. Is this Michael we are hearing, or an imposter? The controversy has been so intense, that one may wonder if this could be an attempt to sabotage the album? Michael’s mother, Katherine Jackson, has entered into a dubious contractual agreement with Howard Mann, about the marketing of her son’s products and the possible exploitation of his children for her own financial gain. Michael’s siblings and extended family are engaging in tweet-wars as they complain publicly about one-another and about songs on the album, instead of using the court-system to file complaints. All of this chaotic chatter is digressive of what should be the most important issue at hand – justice for Michael.

One would expect that the family would be vocal for justice, instead of quarreling with one-another, tweeting to Michael’s fans, and conducting interviews for pay. One also would expect that the fans would be in support of justice for Michael, as a primary focus. We at MJAN are calling for a return to rationality, and even passion, as we ask all who care about Michael Jackson to rededicate themselves to seeking justice for a man who gave the world so much, in his artistry, courage, and character. Enough is enough, of quarreling and diversions, when there is a larger issue at stake.

http://mjanwatch.wordpres...n-tactics/

Why Some Jackson aren't looking for Justice

The Executors are now paying 3 of MJ's Brothers

the get $10k a month, while their adult Children get $20K a month.

It is Know now that one of the Brothers is Jackie is a Paid Consultant

2 & 3 Maybe Tito or Marlon perhaps Jermaine.

Their being Paid for the Silence & Cooperation with the Estate & Sony.

"I'm I my brother's Keeper" apparently not

nina71 said:

NaughtyKitty said:

I think these people make some good points:

MJAN Calls for an End to Diversion Tactics

MJAN Calls for an End to Diversion Tactics

We at MJAN call for an end to diversions, and for a return of attention by media, fans, and Michael Jackson’s family, to what is really important – a focus on Michael’s unsolved homicide. According to the charges brought against Michael Jackson’s doctor, Conrad Murray, Michael lost his life at the hands of another. No one has yet been brought to justice for Michael’s death. In many ways the plot seems to have been lost amidst confusion about the authenticity of some songs on the upcoming album, Michael, and in the apparent chaos of his mother’s income-generating schemes, in-fighting among family members, interviews, and combative blurbs on social networking sites. What has been lost in all the digressive chatter, is the fact that justice for Michael remains to be served.

Randy Jackson, Michael’s brother, conducted a Twitter interview with Michael’s fans On Nov. 17. It is not clear why he would turn to social media and conversations with strangers, to voice his concerns? (Those are not hisfans anyway, but those of his deceased brother.} Regardless, he spoke about a rift between the Jackson family and the estate executors, John Branca and John McClain. If there are issues with the executors of the estate, should that not be a matter for the courts? in response to a question about a possible conspiracy in his brother’s death, Randy simply tweeted, “This story has not ended, things are still unfolding.” If the family members have concerns about the way in which Michael died, why are they not outraged and calling for justice, instead of chatting online with fans about a variety of topics?

That Michael Jackson’s mother and children were interviewed by Oprah Winfrey displays questionable judgment and raises concerns about the emotional safety of Michael’s children. Leaked music has generated controversy about the authenticity of at least some of the songs on Michael’s upcoming album. Is this Michael we are hearing, or an imposter? The controversy has been so intense, that one may wonder if this could be an attempt to sabotage the album? Michael’s mother, Katherine Jackson, has entered into a dubious contractual agreement with Howard Mann, about the marketing of her son’s products and the possible exploitation of his children for her own financial gain. Michael’s siblings and extended family are engaging in tweet-wars as they complain publicly about one-another and about songs on the album, instead of using the court-system to file complaints. All of this chaotic chatter is digressive of what should be the most important issue at hand – justice for Michael.

One would expect that the family would be vocal for justice, instead of quarreling with one-another, tweeting to Michael’s fans, and conducting interviews for pay. One also would expect that the fans would be in support of justice for Michael, as a primary focus. We at MJAN are calling for a return to rationality, and even passion, as we ask all who care about Michael Jackson to rededicate themselves to seeking justice for a man who gave the world so much, in his artistry, courage, and character. Enough is enough, of quarreling and diversions, when there is a larger issue at stake.

http://mjanwatch.wordpres...n-tactics/

Why Some Jackson aren't looking for Justice

The Executors are now paying 3 of MJ's Brothers

the get $10k a month, while their adult Children get $20K a month.

It is Know now that one of the Brothers is Jackie is a Paid Consultant

2 & 3 Maybe Tito or Marlon perhaps Jermaine.

Their being Paid for the Silence & Cooperation with the Estate & Sony.

"I'm I my brother's Keeper" apparently not

Balance this though with what the family can actually do. It is out of their hands now - and is with the courts and investigators as they make a case against Dr Murray.

There is no bigger conspiracy. There is just due process. Trust me, they want to get this one right and have Murray convicted beyond reasonable doubt.

Vanilli said:

Some parts sounds kinda like Michael, but he fails overall.

Vanilli said:

Unbelievable that they would think they could get away with it.

Oprah’s taping another MJ show tomorrow, 11/18/2010. This time it’s about his new album and she wants Chicago area MJ fans in the audience… https://www.oprah.com/own...id=6563513 Attention Chicago Area - Michael Jackson Fans! The Oprah Winfrey Show will be talking about Michael Jackson and the release of the upcoming album "Michael." Have you always been a huge fan of Michael Jackson?? Do you own all of his albums and are intensely interested in hearing more about this new release?? Have you followed his life story and always eager to know more about Micheal?behind the scenes? If you are a huge Michael Jackson fan and would like to be in the audience for this taping on Friday, 11/19, email us now! If there is still availability, you will be contacted through email by a member of the Audience Team.

MattyJam said:

I'm sorry, but your attitude stinks.

How is it the estates fault that some of the songs have leaked? That happens with every single major album release. I can't wait for the album, but then unlike you, I have some self-control and have managed to restrain myself from listening to every snippet which appears online.

So come Monday 13th December I will have a whole albums worth of new MJ songs to enjoy, while you can just continue to bitch and moan about how it doesn't live up to your expectations.

Yes, yes, you're so much of a better person than me because you don't listen to leaked material. Fuck off with that bullshit, and LMFAO at you getting a superiority complex and thinking anyone here gives a fuck about your worthless opinion.

I certainly don't, enjoy my stinky attitude, I'm sure I'll cry myself to sleep tonight because some random guy on the internet thinks I have a bad attitude.

A whole albums worth of NEW MJ songs? Aside from the three fake songs, the 1 song that already came out officially 6 years ago, and the one that is pretty much identical to the version that leaked 2 years ago? Have a blast. I'll keep listening to better material like "Do You Know Where Your Children Are", and "Blue Gangsta" which I will shortly have my hands on.

tangerine7 said:

Here's what Michael Jackson's Vision DVD Box-Set package looks like. (not me in photo) Looks like he works in a store because you can see in the background what looks like to be where products are shipped and stocked,perhaps..

for some reason I thought it would have been packaged in a long box. I thought I saw it like that somewhere.

Sony really dropped the ball with this one. It's obvious that one of their biggest moneymakers (even in death) isn't a top priority. The amount of time, resources, dedication, passion, heart, love and care that is put into a Michael Jackson project obviously will never be matched without the man himself, but, regardless of how many units sold in the end, the way this project is being handled is a little dissapointing. I know very little about the biz, and I know even less about all the family/estate drama that's swirling around (cuz i really don't care, and it's not really my place to know), but everybody knows that proper planning/preparation plays a huge part in the success/failure of any endeavor.

Cutting & pasting some demos together and packaging them as a "NEW" MJ album cannot be the best that these people can do. Listeners see right through this, especially when they're fans. If they truly understood that MJ always put his fans first when it came to his craft, and his standards are set at extremely high levels, things surely would have been done a lot differently. If there's 1 thing you can't allow to be tainted when it's concerning MJ, it's his music. Not saying I'm not curious about some of the tracks. I'll still check 'em out, but I'm on the fence about actually buying this cd. Kinda sad lol. I'm so used to being amped every November, being that something MJ-related seems to always happen around my B-day pretty much every year, for as long as I can remember. This November started off a bit of a downer, imo.

*The "Vision" Dvd box set is a little bright spot tho lol.

[Edited 11/18/10 18:36pm]

Maybe we should hold off slagging off the whole album til its out.

Tunes may be changed in more than one way.

I think it's fair to slag the album when they say "hey, we'll be streaming a song from the album online", then they do, and it sounds like someone doing an impersonation of Chris Tucker impersonating Michael Jackson.

Quincy Jones says he can't even tell who's singing. He says it could be, but asks "How can you tell?"

The estate even admits they hired forensics testing on the tracks in question. Notice they didn't say "We do that with all tracks as a precaution". Only these funky-sounding ones.

1 track on the album like Breaking News is 1 too many. If the album comes out and all these tracks magically sound undboutfully like Michael Jackson, I will change my opinion and admit I was wrong. I think most of the people let down by these tracks WANT to be proven wrong. I know I would like for this to be some stupid-ass marketing mistake that pisses people off more than it helps them look forward to the release, but I don't see that being the case.

I think thats him...

Swa said:

Maybe we should hold off slagging off the whole album til its out.

Tunes may be changed in more than one way.

Not to sound negative but the CDs have already been pressed. Pretty sure

the fake tracks made the cut. As catchy as they may be, they are NOT MJ and

contain random samples from REAL MJ. Disappointing. If I thought boycotting would

change anything I would totally rally one up somehow, but it isn't worth the effort. The

man himself is gone so us fans yelling loudly won't do anything but build interest in this

sham of an album. Sony really dropped the ball hard with this.

I still can't believe THREE FAKE SONGS are going to officially be a part of his cannon come December. MICHAEL JACKSON!!! Can you imagine if some fake ass Beatles songs made it onto their albums...or some fake ass Elvis tracks?! I can't believe this is actually going to happen to the biggest name ever in music. Tragic.

Superstition said:

I think it's fair to slag the album when they say "hey, we'll be streaming a song from the album online", then they do, and it sounds like someone doing an impersonation of Chris Tucker impersonating Michael Jackson.

Quincy Jones says he can't even tell who's singing. He says it could be, but asks "How can you tell?"

The estate even admits they hired forensics testing on the tracks in question. Notice they didn't say "We do that with all tracks as a precaution". Only these funky-sounding ones.

1 track on the album like Breaking News is 1 too many. If the album comes out and all these tracks magically sound undboutfully like Michael Jackson, I will change my opinion and admit I was wrong. I think most of the people let down by these tracks WANT to be proven wrong. I know I would like for this to be some stupid-ass marketing mistake that pisses people off more than it helps them look forward to the release, but I don't see that being the case.

I understand that if you believe it isn't MJ then it's tainted the album - I get that.

But Quincy not being able to tell isn't proof it's not - "it could be - how can you tell?"

Also the estate brought in the forensics only *after* the tracks were brought into dispute by Taj.

As you all know I think it is 80% MJ on Breakin' News - and I know others passionately disagree - and that's cool.

But as I said I don't think people will accept it is him unless other proof comes to light. And those who think it is - will need to be shown it's not too. I keep hearing people such as Randy saying in a week the truth will come out - but it's been a few weeks now and we're no closer to resolving it.

And like you if wrong I will gladly admit it. I like that you say you WANT to proven wrong - I'll like that too - more for the fact that all this mess is killing the anticipation for waiting to hear something new.

BTW for Aussie fans - the release date here for Michael has been pushed to the 10th December.

No, Quincy not being able to tell isn't proof. But it is telling. But even if the tracks are Michael Jackson, I still think the album is tainted. The vocals suck, whoever the hell it is.

I'll still buy the album if it's Mike though. Here's hoping.

piepie1976 said:

I still can't believe THREE FAKE SONGS are going to officially be a part of his cannon come December. MICHAEL JACKSON!!! Can you imagine if some fake ass Beatles songs made it onto their albums...or some fake ass Elvis tracks?! I can't believe this is actually going to happen to the biggest name ever in music. Tragic.

I know...it is really disgusting in my opinion and very very saddening ... I still cannot believe people cannot hear the differences.