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Reply #150 posted 11/17/10 11:38pm

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Swa said:

So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

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Reply #151 posted 11/17/10 11:56pm

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Swa that must have taken you ages! I would love to see the live DVD sets. Were you at that Sydney show then? I could do without the old album remasters, ive bought them all at least 3 times already. Liked the "JACKSON" idea! thumbs up!
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Reply #152 posted 11/18/10 4:14am

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Much Too Soon is so nice. Damn...if it just weren't for those 3 fake tracks. Damn. This would have been shaping to be a pretty nice collection of songs.

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Reply #153 posted 11/18/10 6:24am

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Swa said:

So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

All of it sounds so lovely!

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Reply #154 posted 11/18/10 6:32am

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"After reading Randy's tweets on Wed., he admitted he didn't hear the tracks or attend meetings. His entire tweet conversation was based on "hearsay" and his opinion. I have to disregard everything Randy said and I want facts only to work with to make my decisions.

Also McClain was pushing for T3 songs and per Randy's tweets, Randy is against McClain.

When is the circus due to leave town?"

Quote from someone on a messageboard. I didnt read his tweets, has Randy heard the tracks in question?

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Reply #155 posted 11/18/10 6:32am

ali23

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mookie said:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/11/17/glee-exclusive-thriller-superbowl/

'Glee' exclusive: The cast will perform Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' for the Super Bowl episode -- and that's not all

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Gleeks, you probably thought Gwyneth Paltrow doing Cee-Lo was big news. Well, you’re gonna get down on your knees and thank Grilled Cheesus for this latest bit of news I’ve got: A Glee source confirms to EW exclusively that Glee will be tackling Michael Jackson’s iconic “Thriller” for their post-Super Bowl episode…but with a twist. The Jackson classic will be performed as a mash-up with another song, yet to be chosen. But the supersized episode, which our source says will be the most expensive in Glee history and likely one of televsion’s priciest episodes ever, will also feature covers of tunes by Black Eyed Peas, Lady Antebellum, and Katy Perry. Whew. I’m already worn out, and yet there’s more…

Although “Thriller” is featured in the episode, it will not be a Michael Jackson tribute episode. Nor will it be a tribute to Bruce Springsteen, as rumors have suggested. In fact, our source says that the only pop star truly considered for the Super Bowl episode was Sir Elton John (expect a John tribute episode as part of Glee‘s back nine episodes).

The post-Super Bowl episode will instead keep with the evening’s sports theme and focus on the local football championship and Sue Sylvester’s cheerleading regionals (the “Thriller” mash-up will be played during halftime of the onscreen pigskin game). Basically, it will be a classic episode of Glee, but just bigger and better; Gleeks can also expect appearances from season two fan favorites: Blaine (Darren Criss) and Coach Beiste (Dot-Marie Jones). Oh, and General Motors is co-sponsoring the episode, which likely means there will be limited commercial interruptions.

I just saw this not to long ago.

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Reply #156 posted 11/18/10 6:37am

NaughtyKitty

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ali23 said:

mookie said:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2010/11/17/glee-exclusive-thriller-superbowl/

'Glee' exclusive: The cast will perform Michael Jackson's 'Thriller' for the Super Bowl episode -- and that's not all

[img:$uid]http://ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/glee-thriller_320.jpg[/img:$uid]

Gleeks, you probably thought Gwyneth Paltrow doing Cee-Lo was big news. Well, you’re gonna get down on your knees and thank Grilled Cheesus for this latest bit of news I’ve got: A Glee source confirms to EW exclusively that Glee will be tackling Michael Jackson’s iconic “Thriller” for their post-Super Bowl episode…but with a twist. The Jackson classic will be performed as a mash-up with another song, yet to be chosen. But the supersized episode, which our source says will be the most expensive in Glee history and likely one of televsion’s priciest episodes ever, will also feature covers of tunes by Black Eyed Peas, Lady Antebellum, and Katy Perry. Whew. I’m already worn out, and yet there’s more…

Although “Thriller” is featured in the episode, it will not be a Michael Jackson tribute episode. Nor will it be a tribute to Bruce Springsteen, as rumors have suggested. In fact, our source says that the only pop star truly considered for the Super Bowl episode was Sir Elton John (expect a John tribute episode as part of Glee‘s back nine episodes).

The post-Super Bowl episode will instead keep with the evening’s sports theme and focus on the local football championship and Sue Sylvester’s cheerleading regionals (the “Thriller” mash-up will be played during halftime of the onscreen pigskin game). Basically, it will be a classic episode of Glee, but just bigger and better; Gleeks can also expect appearances from season two fan favorites: Blaine (Darren Criss) and Coach Beiste (Dot-Marie Jones). Oh, and General Motors is co-sponsoring the episode, which likely means there will be limited commercial interruptions.

I just saw this not to long ago.

falloff That was hilarious!

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Reply #157 posted 11/18/10 7:02am

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Reply #158 posted 11/18/10 8:20am

angel345

Swa said:

BabyBeMine said:

OK, maybe im wrong. Im searching on Google to find the old article. I do know Unbreakable was supposed to be a 20 minute short film with actor Mel Gibson in the video.

Again - source. Not saying it's not true as he did discuss the Unbreakable video during his webchat but don't recall the Mel Gibson reference.

And its ok to be wrong - all of our memories get muddled with all the rumours and facts we've accumulated in our time.

True or not, I don't believe that Mel Gibson would make the cut, considering hollywood is blackballing him right now.

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Reply #159 posted 11/18/10 8:42am

CPest1

angel345 said:

Swa said:

Again - source. Not saying it's not true as he did discuss the Unbreakable video during his webchat but don't recall the Mel Gibson reference.

And its ok to be wrong - all of our memories get muddled with all the rumours and facts we've accumulated in our time.

True or not, I don't believe that Mel Gibson would make the cut, considering hollywood is blackballing him right now.

Not sure about the Unbreakable video but it does seem that they met. http://www.movieline.com/...eeting.php

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Reply #160 posted 11/18/10 8:44am

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Be right back

[Edited 11/18/10 8:48am]

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Reply #161 posted 11/18/10 8:45am

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Swa said:

So I was thinking we all probably have a point of view on how the Estate should run things. So why not give it ago.

how would you do it? Keep in mind you want to protect the legacy, not be seen to be profiting too much, or flooding the market. How would you balance appetite and satisfaction.

Here's how I would.

2010 ‘Michael’ CD

Pull the current ‘Michael’ album as is – and release a cut down mix of 7 songs with 2 remixes.

Bonus tracks of the Cascio songs on iTunes only – let the fans decide if they want them or not.

Release a deluxe version with the finished tracks and the source material as a bonus disc.


2011 – June - OFF THE WALL – Deluxe Box

Fully remastered Off The Wall in both Stereo and 5.1 mix.

Album to contain bonus disc of outtakes and alternate versions.

2011 – August - BAD – Deluxe Box (25th Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings

2011 October – THE MASTER - Tour DVD Box Set

Release a MJ LIVE tour box set featuring Bad Tour (Los Angeles), Dangerous Tour (London) HiStory Tour (Sydney – including DS & Come Together)

2011 – November - Jacksons Live DVD set

A triple DVD set of Destiny / Triumph and Victory tours fully restored and remastered featuring behind the scenes featurettes

2011 December ‘Jackson’ (blue eye cover)

12 tracks of unreleased material from 1989 -2009

2012 - January - The Immortal CD & DVD

Release a CD for the Cirque du Solei show as long as it is given the same musical reinvention as The Beatles “Love” album.

2012 – August – Dangerous (21st Anniversary)

Fully remastered in Stereo and 5.1

Album to contain bonus tracks and alternate recordings.

2012 – December - Singles Box Set

Release a CD-Single box set of all of Michael’s solo releases for Epic.

Each single will contain the original track listing as the 12” records, and feature original artwork.

2013 – August - HiStory Book II

Fully remastered HiStory album in Stereo and 5.1

Bonus disc to contain extra tracks taken from the History recording sessions.

2013 – December - The Journey – CD Box set

A collection of unreleased demos and recordings from 1979-2001

2014 – February – ‘MJ’ – BioPic worldwide release

2014 - June – 5th Anniversary Tribute

Collection of 25 covers from artists influenced by Michael and his music.

2014 – August - Tribute Concert Pay per View

(Not organised by any Jackson)

DVD released November of that year.

2015 - January - 7 CD

A remix project of 20 classic MJ tracks.

2015 – August – Invincible Deluxe

Fully remastered in stereo and 5.1

Album to contain extra tracks taken from the Invincible sessions.

2015 – December – Thriller – The Complete Sessions

The original mix of Thriller with complete versions of Billie Jean, Lady In My Life.

Bonus remix CD of the album.

Bonus CD of demos and tracks that didn’t make the cut.

It all sounds great, but do we really need the 3rd re release of Thriller in 10 years? and i would like to see a full length Ghosts/Captain EO on dvd and maybe a release of the 'lost' The Future album, before any of the above. i would be just as happy to see a disc of outtakes from each era without the actual album in question, or in a 4 disc set or something.

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Reply #162 posted 11/18/10 9:04am

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Here is Randie's converstation"

Thank you all. Goodnight. about 12 hours ago via web

Most of all I want all of you to understand that he loved all of you so much. He had a great love for all man kind. about 12 hours ago via web

I will miss his laughter. I will miss his silly jokes. I even miss our arguments.

We are family. A famous family, but a family whose lost one of its members.

My brother was a perfectionists, and they are paying no regards to

It bothers me that they can't get the deals done fast enough.

I want his legacy to be respected as if he were here.

Since my brothers passing, over one billion dollars has been profited.

This story has not ended, things are still unfolding.

Let me say this in closing about everything

Questions about death conspiracy, whether or not to buy the album, many questions.

I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you what I think my brother would want

one more question

They could care less about why and how he died, or maybe they already

But what's worse then harsh is that my brother isn't here, and all these people are more concerned about making money off his death

I know this may seem harsh, but this is the truth, as I know it.

Some of the songs are him, and some aren't. I would be my life on that.

Like I said, Sony and the executors have 250 mil reasons to influence the public.

I dont know what they heard, surely not what I heard

And as to the vocal authenticators, they work for pay. And I wasn't there when they did their analysis

You must understand, Sony is a power house in this business

It didn't happen the way it was mentioned in the letter

I was informed by someone who attended that meeting at the studio

On a side note, the letter released by the Estate

If they don't even have enough product for one album how are they going to make 10 albums?

I'd like to hear what they played Sony, or did Sony even care?

McClain couldn't find enough product for one

Why would Sony sign a 10 album deal over a period of seven years and

I found this to be very interesting

From what I heard, he didn't care about the quality or how complete the vocals were.

Calling all over the place looking for music with my brothers voice on it

Okay, after this Sony deal was inked, McClain went to work putting together the first album

Im sorry its taking so long I get emotional

Maybe they were too busy getting deals

Neither of the executors didn't show up to pay their respects

I invited McClain to the burial, Ironically, he didn't show

Like AEG, they were cutting deals with the Estate before I could get my brother in the ground. May he rest in peace

In fact, when I heard about the Sony deal, it made me sick

Sony has 250 mil reasons to convince the public that it is his voice, if you know what I mean.

But I think they all know all now it is not him

Now McClain points the finger at Sony, when he got the tracks before it even went to Sony

I heard the music and I immediately said it wasn't his voice

At which he called me to come down and hear my brothers music, may he rest in peace.

Teddy Riley was brought in just to mix and insisted on switching

My first thought was, what are they trying to hide

John McClain insisted that no family members were allowed at his studio where the project was being completed

I became suspicious about the album, when I heard when armed guards were involved since my brothers passing, May he rest in peace

We don't see eye to eye

The family and the executers of the Estate, Branca and Mclain are not on the same page

let me go back and say something that you, the public, may not be aware of

Me and my nephew were the first to say that it wasn't his voice on some of the tracks

A: I have to give you history behind the project in order to answer this question correctly

Q: How do you feel about the new Album?

Like I said, No coincidence

Don't be surprised if the Oprah show with my parents air's again during the AEG trial

I guess, in Oprah's mind my brother is still on trial, even though he's not here, may he rest in peace

Like I said before, no coincidence

Q: How do you feel about the Oprah interview? A: I didn't watch the interview, im sure everyone saw the show she had prior to my parents

I want the truth to be known.

I want to spend some time on as many questions as possible, Feel free to ask whatever you like, there is nothing

Hello everyone, let me say for the record my computer has not been hacked, this is me.

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Reply #163 posted 11/18/10 9:55am

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #164 posted 11/18/10 10:14am

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Casting Call for the “Hold My Hand” Music Video!

We are excited to give fans the opportunity to be a part of the video for Michael’s latest hit, "HOLD MY HAND," filming this Saturday, November 20th in Tustin, CA (approximately 35 miles south of Los Angeles). We are looking for his fans of all ages who want to be a part of this iconic event.

There is no pay, but it will be a fun and celebratory video honoring Michael Jackson's legacy. You will get to freestyle dance and enjoy the song. The time we would need everyone is approximately 12P-5P. Unfortunately, we have to put a cap on the number of extras who will be able to participate, so please reply as soon as you know you can participate.

The email address to respond to is:
mjacksonakon@gmail.com

Include your full name and a telephone number so we can reach you. Important note: Because there is a chance of rain on Saturday, we may need to change the shoot day to either Sunday November 21 or Monday November 22. In your email, please let us know which dates you are available. Thank you!

I MUST be there!

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Reply #165 posted 11/18/10 10:24am

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Kelvin MacKenzie is a buffoon!


Kelvin MacKenzie: Jackson was an abuser and his children should never have been born
It has been a while now since I blogged about Michael Jackson. There are two main reasons for this. The first is that in the wake of my last Huffington Post article I became the subject of some rather bizarre conspiracy theories. The second is that there hasn't been much to write about. I have been careful to avoid throwing my hat into the ring over trivial issues partially because I haven't wanted to draw attention to myself in recent months and partially because I don't want to start repeating myself.

However, today I was informed of an incident which I couldn't ignore. Former editor of the UK's Sun newspaper Kelvin MacKenzie today appeared on ITV's 'This Morning' and claimed that Michael Jackson was a child ******** and that his children are better off now that he's dead.

He made the outrageous comments in the wake of a moving interview with Jackson's children, conducted by Oprah Winfrey, in which the three kids recounted what a wonderful father Jackson was and how they missed everything about him.

Here is a full transcript of the exchange:


Phillip Schofield (Host): Let’s finish on this one. Michael Jackson was the best dad, his daughter tells Oprah. Oprah Winfrey has done the first interview with Michael Jackson – his parents, his children; Paris and Prince Michael and Blanket, of course, since he passed away. Paris called her dad the best dad and revealed that he was a normal dad. She said that he made the best French toast in the world. We’ve got a clip from it, actually. Here you go.

[Clip of the children talking about their father]

Schofield: Interestingly, these things don’t happen without controversy. Here you go. Michael’s brother Randy has spoken out against the chat, saying ‘I know that he would not have wanted this. In fact, she’s the last person on earth he would want around his children.’ He said that because in 2005 while the jury was deliberating Michael’s ******ation charges, Oprah did a whole show dedicated to him.

Lesley Joseph (Guest): But you do wonder why they went on, because I have a feeling that those kids – much as I don’t know anything about it – but they do seem terribly well adjusted. So I’m sure they would not have been got on there had they not wanted to do it and had they not… Especially the girl, and you just have the feeling that she said, ‘Listen, I want to go on and say how great my dad was. And then who’s to say they shouldn’t? They do seem incredibly well adjusted, maybe I’m wrong.

Kelvin MacKenzie (Guest): Well, she gave a good interview but of course she’s been brought up in the limelight. It was quite a nice thing for her to say, I must say, about her dead father. I have much more significant question about how and why some of those children were born and under what circumstances they were born – and whether he, in the end, would have turned out to be a great father. Certainly, there are aspects to him which I think your audience would raise their eyebrows.

Joseph: But that’s them, Kelvin, that’s not the children. The children are born [audio interference].

Holly Willoughby (Host): Because their identities were kept so secret I think we all had it in our minds that they were going to be a bit of a horror show but they seem, like you said, very well adjusted and normal kids just talking about their father.

[Cross talk]

Joseph: And they’re not to blame for what went on before or even for the fact that they were born. That’s him, not them.

MacKenzie: OK, well a rather different view to that is that the death of Michael Jackson may well have saved some children, possibly, who knows…

Schofield: Allegedly, though…

MacKenzie: Others…

Schofield: He wasn’t found guilty

MacKenzie: …from a lifetime of being mentally corrupted, shall we say.

Schofield: We don’t know that, though. We don’t know that…

MacKenzie: No, we don’t know that.

Schofield: …that is the case.

MacKenzie: He’s faced a number of charges, a number of allegations, and I in some ways feels that the children will have a better life for their father not being around, which is pretty unusual.

Schofield: Those are tough words and I think they would obviously disagree with you there.



MacKenzie's comments were despicable. He demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the US justice system and for the ethics of his profession. Jackson was proven innocent in a court of law and acquitted of any wrongdoing. But it's not unusual to witness misinformed pseudo-experts talking rubbish about Jackson's court case. More alarming in this case was the callousness MacKenzie demonstrated in claiming that the children were better off now that their father was dead.

The comments were, first and foremost, wildly inaccurate. He'd just watched the children recall what a wonderful dad Jackson was to them and list the copious reasons why they missed him every waking day of their lives. There is certainly no evidencial basis on which MacKenzie could possibly claim that the children had been rescued from abuse or corruption by their father's death. The comments were secondly completely heartless. He acted as though he was concerned for the children's wellbeing and yet thought nothing of making a series of despicable comments about them and their father. In brief, Kelvin MacKenzie is a hypocrite.

He's also a bigot. In the past he has claimed that he tailored his newspaper to those who hate 'wogs' and '*****s'. MacKenzie has a long and provable bias against Jackson and, during his time as editor of the Sun, was responsible for countless inaccurate and heavily biased stories about the star. He was also helming the newspaper when it coined the term '****o *****' in the 1980s.

Given MacKenzie's long and demonstrable hatred of Michael Jackson, questions must be asked as to why exactly he was asked onto the show in the first place, unless producers were specifically angling for exactly the kind of cruel and heartless comments that he inevitably wound up making.

Moreover, the incident once again raises questions about the validity of television shows which invite non-experts to offer their ill-informed opinions on people they've never met and stories that they don't understand. What purpose does this practice serve? These inane TV spots plagued Jackson during his 2005 trial. 'Expert panels' comprising a collection of people who had been nowhere near the courtroom for the duration of Jackson's trial were routinely assembled on television shows to offer their brainless comments on a court case in which they couldn't even recite the charge sheet.

Fans wishing to complain directly to the television show can do so by emailing viewerservces@itv.com

For fans wishing to take their complaints a little further, MacKenzie's comments also breached numerous segments of the OFCOM Broadcast Code. OFCOM is the UK's regulatory body for television and radio programming.

Section 2.2 of the code demands that, "Factual programmes or items or portrayals of factual matters must not materially mislead the audience." MacKenzie's comments were clearly misleading. He ignored the facts and evidence presented at Jackson's trial and dismissed the verdict. He also ignored the children's firsthand accounts of their lives with Jackson in order to portray them instead as having been 'corrupted' and say that they were potential victims of 'abuse'.

Section 2.3 of the code demands that, "Broadcasters must ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context." MacKenzie's comments were patently not justified by the context. In a discussion about an interview between Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson's children, MacKenzie irrelevantly raised the subject of Jackson's trial and proceeded to dismiss the verdict, insinuating that Jackson was a child ********.

Section 7.1 of the code demands that, "Broadcasters must avoid unjust or unfair treatment of individuals or organisations in programmes." This section of the code is constantly flouted when dealing with Michael Jackson. Examples of programmes which were biased, inaccurate and borderline illegal include Martin Bashir's 'Living With Michael Jackson' and Jacques Peretti's 'What Really Happened'. OFCOM never implements this section of the code. Does calling somebody a child abuser when they've been acquitted in a court of law constitute treating somebody unjustly or unfairly? You'd be hard pressed to find anybody to argue that it didn't, but watch OFCOM try anyway.

Section 7.9 of the code demands that, "Before broadcasting a factual programme, including programmes examining past events, broadcasters should take reasonable care to satisfy themselves that material facts have not been presented, disregarded or omitted in a way that is unfair to an individual or organisation." Material facts were clearly omitted and disregarded during Kelvin MacKenzie's unprovoked diatribe against Jackson. He ignored the facts, evidence and verdict in Jackson's trial and accused the star of being a child ********. The host did not point out Jackson's acquittal, either. MacKenzie also ignored the children's comments about their upbringing and proceeded to portray it as the exact opposite of what they claimed.

Section 7.11 of the code demands that, "If a programme alleges wrongdoing or incompetence or makes other significant allegations, those concerned should normally be given an appropriate and timely opportunity to respond." Clearly, Jackson could not respond to Kelvin Mackenzie's inaccurate allegations, but no representative of Jackson's family or estate was invited to appear on the show or to offer a rebuttal in the aftermath.
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Reply #166 posted 11/18/10 10:31am

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Kelvin MacKenzie is a buffoon!


Kelvin MacKenzie: Jackson was an abuser and his children should never have been born
It has been a while now since I blogged about Michael Jackson. There are two main reasons for this. The first is that in the wake of my last Huffington Post article I became the subject of some rather bizarre conspiracy theories. The second is that there hasn't been much to write about. I have been careful to avoid throwing my hat into the ring over trivial issues partially because I haven't wanted to draw attention to myself in recent months and partially because I don't want to start repeating myself.

However, today I was informed of an incident which I couldn't ignore. Former editor of the UK's Sun newspaper Kelvin MacKenzie today appeared on ITV's 'This Morning' and claimed that Michael Jackson was a child ******** and that his children are better off now that he's dead.

He made the outrageous comments in the wake of a moving interview with Jackson's children, conducted by Oprah Winfrey, in which the three kids recounted what a wonderful father Jackson was and how they missed everything about him.

Here is a full transcript of the exchange:


Phillip Schofield (Host): Let’s finish on this one. Michael Jackson was the best dad, his daughter tells Oprah. Oprah Winfrey has done the first interview with Michael Jackson – his parents, his children; Paris and Prince Michael and Blanket, of course, since he passed away. Paris called her dad the best dad and revealed that he was a normal dad. She said that he made the best French toast in the world. We’ve got a clip from it, actually. Here you go.

[Clip of the children talking about their father]

Schofield: Interestingly, these things don’t happen without controversy. Here you go. Michael’s brother Randy has spoken out against the chat, saying ‘I know that he would not have wanted this. In fact, she’s the last person on earth he would want around his children.’ He said that because in 2005 while the jury was deliberating Michael’s ******ation charges, Oprah did a whole show dedicated to him.

Lesley Joseph (Guest): But you do wonder why they went on, because I have a feeling that those kids – much as I don’t know anything about it – but they do seem terribly well adjusted. So I’m sure they would not have been got on there had they not wanted to do it and had they not… Especially the girl, and you just have the feeling that she said, ‘Listen, I want to go on and say how great my dad was. And then who’s to say they shouldn’t? They do seem incredibly well adjusted, maybe I’m wrong.

Kelvin MacKenzie (Guest): Well, she gave a good interview but of course she’s been brought up in the limelight. It was quite a nice thing for her to say, I must say, about her dead father. I have much more significant question about how and why some of those children were born and under what circumstances they were born – and whether he, in the end, would have turned out to be a great father. Certainly, there are aspects to him which I think your audience would raise their eyebrows.

Joseph: But that’s them, Kelvin, that’s not the children. The children are born [audio interference].

Holly Willoughby (Host): Because their identities were kept so secret I think we all had it in our minds that they were going to be a bit of a horror show but they seem, like you said, very well adjusted and normal kids just talking about their father.

[Cross talk]

Joseph: And they’re not to blame for what went on before or even for the fact that they were born. That’s him, not them.

MacKenzie: OK, well a rather different view to that is that the death of Michael Jackson may well have saved some children, possibly, who knows…

Schofield: Allegedly, though…

MacKenzie: Others…

Schofield: He wasn’t found guilty

MacKenzie: …from a lifetime of being mentally corrupted, shall we say.

Schofield: We don’t know that, though. We don’t know that…

MacKenzie: No, we don’t know that.

Schofield: …that is the case.

MacKenzie: He’s faced a number of charges, a number of allegations, and I in some ways feels that the children will have a better life for their father not being around, which is pretty unusual.

Schofield: Those are tough words and I think they would obviously disagree with you there.



MacKenzie's comments were despicable. He demonstrated a complete lack of respect for the US justice system and for the ethics of his profession. Jackson was proven innocent in a court of law and acquitted of any wrongdoing. But it's not unusual to witness misinformed pseudo-experts talking rubbish about Jackson's court case. More alarming in this case was the callousness MacKenzie demonstrated in claiming that the children were better off now that their father was dead.

The comments were, first and foremost, wildly inaccurate. He'd just watched the children recall what a wonderful dad Jackson was to them and list the copious reasons why they missed him every waking day of their lives. There is certainly no evidencial basis on which MacKenzie could possibly claim that the children had been rescued from abuse or corruption by their father's death. The comments were secondly completely heartless. He acted as though he was concerned for the children's wellbeing and yet thought nothing of making a series of despicable comments about them and their father. In brief, Kelvin MacKenzie is a hypocrite.

He's also a bigot. In the past he has claimed that he tailored his newspaper to those who hate 'wogs' and '*****s'. MacKenzie has a long and provable bias against Jackson and, during his time as editor of the Sun, was responsible for countless inaccurate and heavily biased stories about the star. He was also helming the newspaper when it coined the term '****o *****' in the 1980s.

Given MacKenzie's long and demonstrable hatred of Michael Jackson, questions must be asked as to why exactly he was asked onto the show in the first place, unless producers were specifically angling for exactly the kind of cruel and heartless comments that he inevitably wound up making.

Moreover, the incident once again raises questions about the validity of television shows which invite non-experts to offer their ill-informed opinions on people they've never met and stories that they don't understand. What purpose does this practice serve? These inane TV spots plagued Jackson during his 2005 trial. 'Expert panels' comprising a collection of people who had been nowhere near the courtroom for the duration of Jackson's trial were routinely assembled on television shows to offer their brainless comments on a court case in which they couldn't even recite the charge sheet.

Fans wishing to complain directly to the television show can do so by emailing viewerservces@itv.com

For fans wishing to take their complaints a little further, MacKenzie's comments also breached numerous segments of the OFCOM Broadcast Code. OFCOM is the UK's regulatory body for television and radio programming.

Section 2.2 of the code demands that, "Factual programmes or items or portrayals of factual matters must not materially mislead the audience." MacKenzie's comments were clearly misleading. He ignored the facts and evidence presented at Jackson's trial and dismissed the verdict. He also ignored the children's firsthand accounts of their lives with Jackson in order to portray them instead as having been 'corrupted' and say that they were potential victims of 'abuse'.

Section 2.3 of the code demands that, "Broadcasters must ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context." MacKenzie's comments were patently not justified by the context. In a discussion about an interview between Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson's children, MacKenzie irrelevantly raised the subject of Jackson's trial and proceeded to dismiss the verdict, insinuating that Jackson was a child ********.

Section 7.1 of the code demands that, "Broadcasters must avoid unjust or unfair treatment of individuals or organisations in programmes." This section of the code is constantly flouted when dealing with Michael Jackson. Examples of programmes which were biased, inaccurate and borderline illegal include Martin Bashir's 'Living With Michael Jackson' and Jacques Peretti's 'What Really Happened'. OFCOM never implements this section of the code. Does calling somebody a child abuser when they've been acquitted in a court of law constitute treating somebody unjustly or unfairly? You'd be hard pressed to find anybody to argue that it didn't, but watch OFCOM try anyway.

Section 7.9 of the code demands that, "Before broadcasting a factual programme, including programmes examining past events, broadcasters should take reasonable care to satisfy themselves that material facts have not been presented, disregarded or omitted in a way that is unfair to an individual or organisation." Material facts were clearly omitted and disregarded during Kelvin MacKenzie's unprovoked diatribe against Jackson. He ignored the facts, evidence and verdict in Jackson's trial and accused the star of being a child ********. The host did not point out Jackson's acquittal, either. MacKenzie also ignored the children's comments about their upbringing and proceeded to portray it as the exact opposite of what they claimed.

Section 7.11 of the code demands that, "If a programme alleges wrongdoing or incompetence or makes other significant allegations, those concerned should normally be given an appropriate and timely opportunity to respond." Clearly, Jackson could not respond to Kelvin Mackenzie's inaccurate allegations, but no representative of Jackson's family or estate was invited to appear on the show or to offer a rebuttal in the aftermath.
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Please you guys,help us by sending in a complaint!
You can call or send an email,all the info you need to complain to ITV is in this link.
Please and thank you!

[Edited 11/18/10 10:25am]

WTF! How dare that Mac Kenzie? machinegun

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #167 posted 11/18/10 10:47am

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If you like you can copy and paste this and email it to ITV,its easier that way.

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OVERVIEW:

From a generic, non-geographic email address such as Gmail, you may send the following letter of complaint to viewerservices@itv.com. I think this is the best that U.S. residents can do. It should be easy for hundreds if not thousands of Michael Jackson advocates to cut/paste/send.

LETTER: (Please copy/paste/send) ♥
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To Whom It May Concern:

Former tabloid provocateur Kelvin MacKenzie's comments on "ITV This Morning" breached numerous sections of the OFCOM Broadcast Code.

Section 2.2 of the Code demands that "Factual programmes or items or portrayals of factual matters must not materially mislead the audience."

MacKenzie's comments were clearly misleading. He ignored the facts and evidence presented at Jackson's trial and dismissed the verdict. He also ignored the children's firsthand accounts of their lives with Jackson in order to portray them instead as having been "corrupted" and say that they were potential victims of "abuse."

Section 2.3 of the code demands that "Broadcasters must ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context."

MacKenzie's comments were patently not justified by the context. In a discussion about an interview between Oprah Winfrey and Michael Jackson's children, MacKenzie irrelevantly raised the subject of Jackson's trial and proceeded to dismiss the verdict, insinuating that Jackson was a child ********.

Section 7.1 of the Code demands that "Broadcasters must avoid unjust or unfair treatment of individuals or organisations in programmes."

This section of the Code is constantly flouted when dealing with Michael Jackson. Examples of programmes which were biased, inaccurate and borderline illegal include Martin Bashir's "Living With Michael Jackson" and Jacques Peretti's "What Really Happened." OFCOM rarely if ever implements this section of the Code. Does calling somebody a child abuser when they've been acquitted in a court of law constitute treating somebody unjustly or unfairly? Most assuredly, yes.

Section 7.9 of the Code demands that "Before broadcasting a factual programme, including programmes examining past events, broadcasters should take reasonable care to satisfy themselves that material facts have not been presented, disregarded or omitted in a way that is unfair to an individual or organisation."

Material facts were clearly omitted and disregarded during Kelvin MacKenzie's unprovoked diatribe against Jackson. He ignored the facts, evidence and verdict in Jackson's trial and accused the star of being a child ********. The host did not point out Jackson's acquittal, either. MacKenzie also ignored the children's comments about their upbringing and proceeded to portray it as the exact opposite of what they claimed.

Section 7.11 of the Code demands that "If a programme alleges wrongdoing or incompetence or makes other significant allegations, those concerned should normally be given an appropriate and timely opportunity to respond."

Clearly, Jackson could not respond to Kelvin Mackenzie's inaccurate allegations, but no representative of Jackson's family or estate was invited to appear on the show or to offer a rebuttal in the aftermath.

As a viewer, I demand an apology for and a retraction of MacKenzie's reprehensible comments.

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Reply #168 posted 11/18/10 11:03am

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You guys are a little slow on the whole Kelvin MacKenzie thing. I complained last week and got a personal response from ITV:

Thank you for your email.

We are very sorry that you were offended by the comments made by Kelvin McKenzie on This Morning on 9 November. We accept that his comments about Michael Jackson caused offence to some viewers, which we regret.

However, when Mr McKenzie gave his opinion on the safety of children formerly in the care of Michael Jackson, and referred to the well known allegations that were made about him, the programme’s presenter Philip Schofield did point out immediately that Michael Jackson was not found guilty in relation to those allegations, and that no-one knows that any children in his care would be at risk. Following Mr McKenzie’s further comment that Michael Jackson’s children will have a better life without him, Philip challenged him again, and said the children would obviously disagree with Mr McKenzie’s “tough words”. He also invited viewers to give their views on Mr McKenzie’s comments, making clear that these were not expressed by the programme but by Mr McKenzie in a personal capacity. Later on in the programme, a comment was read out from a viewer who strongly disagreed with Mr McKenzie’s views.

Although we acknowledge Mr McKenzie’s comments were offensive to some viewers, they were challenged and contextualised immediately by the presenter. In the context of a spontaneous live discussion about a highly controversial (and deceased) celebrity, arising from a talking point in the news (namely the Jackson children’s recent TV interview with Oprah Winfrey), we consider that the programme overall exhibited balance. Whilst we appreciate that some viewers, particularly fans of Michael Jackson, would strongly disagree with Mr McKenzie’s personal opinions, we do not agree that the programme was inaccurate as such (as the comments were clearly expressed as opinion) or that it breached generally accepted standards. Overall the presenters and the other contributor (Lesley Joseph) were supportive of the children’s decision to be interviewed and stated that they were well-adjusted and had expressed their love for their father.

Regards

This Morning Programme


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You guys are a little slow on the whole Kelvin MacKenzie thing. I complained last week and got a personal response from ITV:

Thank you for your email.

We are very sorry that you were offended by the comments made by Kelvin McKenzie on This Morning on 9 November. We accept that his comments about Michael Jackson caused offence to some viewers, which we regret.

However, when Mr McKenzie gave his opinion on the safety of children formerly in the care of Michael Jackson, and referred to the well known allegations that were made about him, the programme’s presenter Philip Schofield did point out immediately that Michael Jackson was not found guilty in relation to those allegations, and that no-one knows that any children in his care would be at risk. Following Mr McKenzie’s further comment that Michael Jackson’s children will have a better life without him, Philip challenged him again, and said the children would obviously disagree with Mr McKenzie’s “tough words”. He also invited viewers to give their views on Mr McKenzie’s comments, making clear that these were not expressed by the programme but by Mr McKenzie in a personal capacity. Later on in the programme, a comment was read out from a viewer who strongly disagreed with Mr McKenzie’s views.

Although we acknowledge Mr McKenzie’s comments were offensive to some viewers, they were challenged and contextualised immediately by the presenter. In the context of a spontaneous live discussion about a highly controversial (and deceased) celebrity, arising from a talking point in the news (namely the Jackson children’s recent TV interview with Oprah Winfrey), we consider that the programme overall exhibited balance. Whilst we appreciate that some viewers, particularly fans of Michael Jackson, would strongly disagree with Mr McKenzie’s personal opinions, we do not agree that the programme was inaccurate as such (as the comments were clearly expressed as opinion) or that it breached generally accepted standards. Overall the presenters and the other contributor (Lesley Joseph) were supportive of the children’s decision to be interviewed and stated that they were well-adjusted and had expressed their love for their father.

Regards

This Morning Programme


I knew about it since the day it happened,but since no one mentioned it I figured i'd do it now!wink

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Reply #170 posted 11/18/10 11:10am

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Off topic:

I don´t wanna start a new thread on this, but Lisa looked a hot mess at the recent Harry Potter premiere.

This hair and make-up does her no good.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #171 posted 11/18/10 11:10am

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They really should do an animated music video with Michael, using like cartoon images like on the show "The Boondocks." - it would be so fitting to have MJ as a cartoon for one of his music videos.

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This hair and make-up does her no good.

I'd tap that. Looks good 2 me. boxed

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dag said:

Off topic:

I don´t wanna start a new thread on this, but Lisa looked a hot mess at the recent Harry Potter premiere.

This hair and make-up does her no good.

Damn,Lisa,what happened?

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Reply #174 posted 11/18/10 11:17am

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Vanilli said:

This hair and make-up does her no good.

I'd tap that. Looks good 2 me. boxed

Well, I think she has looked better. And it´s not that I wanna say she looks that bad. I think she looks great for her age and the fact she´s given birth to twins, but I wish he hair was more in one color and even though I love smoky eyes, I am not crazy about the color of her shades.

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"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #175 posted 11/18/10 11:28am

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dag said:

Off topic:

I don´t wanna start a new thread on this, but Lisa looked a hot mess at the recent Harry Potter premiere.

This hair and make-up does her no good.

sad


My heart breaks for her. Obviously she's been stressed out. sad Poor thing.

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Reply #176 posted 11/18/10 11:32am

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dag said:

Off topic:

I don´t wanna start a new thread on this, but Lisa looked a hot mess at the recent Harry Potter premiere.

This hair and make-up does her no good.

Damn,Lisa,what happened?

damn she scared the hell of me
Yeah it's like "oh you mocked me for liking him but now he's dead it's cool to play him again?" And then they look at you funny when you don't play him. -Timmy on after 6-25 fans
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Reply #177 posted 11/18/10 11:32am

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dag said:

Off topic:

I don´t wanna start a new thread on this, but Lisa looked a hot mess at the recent Harry Potter premiere.

This hair and make-up does her no good.

sad


My heart breaks for her. Obviously she's been stressed out. sad Poor thing.

Actually you might be right. I´ve just noticed the circles/bags (or what you call it) under her eyes.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #179 posted 11/18/10 11:35am

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Cute.

"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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